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meego_leenooks1
"Have you ever tried using an Android phone? It's something like this:
- you turn off automatic OS updates,
- and automatic refresh of Google Play store repository,
- and automatic updates of Google Maps,
- and automatic everything in any way related to internet connectivity,
but at the very same moment as you connect to Wi-Fi or GPRS you check the running applications list and you see:
- System update running,
- Google Play store running,
- Google Maps running,
- and also Settings and Gallery running (WTF these ones want in the internet?!)"

Mee-lee..........
hit the nail on the head there.
I OVERWHELMINGLY completely agree with you.
I loathe android for this reason alone...
forget all other valid reasons..
this one pisses me off to no end...
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#42
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
meego_leenooks1
"Have you ever tried using an Android phone? It's something like this:
- you turn off automatic OS updates,
- and automatic refresh of Google Play store repository,
- and automatic updates of Google Maps,
- and automatic everything in any way related to internet connectivity,
but at the very same moment as you connect to Wi-Fi or GPRS you check the running applications list and you see:
- System update running,
- Google Play store running,
- Google Maps running,
- and also Settings and Gallery running (WTF these ones want in the internet?!)"
Mee-lee..........
hit the nail on the head there.
I OVERWHELMINGLY completely agree with you.
I loathe android for this reason alone...
forget all other valid reasons..
this one pisses me off to no end...
Well, At least you can't complain that android in not capable of multitasking when it wants too! Many folks that flash custom roms use those that have all google apps removed. This is done for many reasons, some of which you indicated.
 

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yup custom roms are great.
sadly there are very few apps in the "bull**** free zone" of the app world.
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-1 no telephony (perfect for permanent set-up as mini-pc with one of my monitors)


PIMP MY N8X0
Everything you need tightly explained in layman's terms ..in an easy to understand format.. and a video walkthrough to boot.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634

THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567

AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
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#44
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
Exactly where is this neo900 that you saw , held and tested...
that had ANY hardware at all.. ?
I may or may not have mentioned this somewhere around here...
A long time ago, I read an interesting Sci-Fi book. It was a collection of short stories, but I do not remember the name or the author, sorry.

One idea from one of those stories was that hardware and software complement each other. A good example is e.g. a floating point arithmetics. Older CPUs did not have the hardware to do FP arithmetics and it had to be emulated in software. So you can have either a single FPU instruction and a rather complex hardware to execute it or a simple hardware and a few hundred CPU instructions to achieve the same result, if in a longer time.

Abstracting this idea and taking it to an extreme, you will end up with two limits: 1) and infinitely complex hardware running no software at all, performing the task in zero time and 2) an infinitely complex software running on its own without any hardware, performing the task in an infinitely long time.
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#45
Originally Posted by meego_leenooks1 View Post
but at the very same moment as you connect to Wi-Fi
Another related problem is how it wants to call back to the google mothership before it even allows you to use wifi. There are situations where I just want the device to have local network access via a wifi access point that is not connected to the internet. But ****ing google mandates that the device conducts a "connectivity" test to ensure it can access the internet before it allows you to use the wifi connection (not strictly true - you can use it for a few seconds whilst it conducts the "connectivity" test and when it fails then it cuts off access).
 

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Originally Posted by kureyon View Post
Another related problem is how it wants to call back to the google mothership before it even allows you to use wifi. There are situations where I just want the device to have local network access via a wifi access point that is not connected to the internet. But ****ing google mandates that the device conducts a "connectivity" test to ensure it can access the internet before it allows you to use the wifi connection (not strictly true - you can use it for a few seconds whilst it conducts the "connectivity" test and when it fails then it cuts off access).
That sounds a lot like what I have been seeing,
do you have any kind of reference that describes
what is going on there ?

I can imagine all sorts of things get logged for such pings,
but surely someone breaks it all down and shows
what Android is doing during such activity ?
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Why not using old blackberry z10 or maybe z30, or even nokia n9, port fully working stable Sailfish and ressurect them from dying
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Originally Posted by ibrakalifa View Post
Why not using old blackberry z10 or maybe z30, or even nokia n9, port fully working stable Sailfish and ressurect them from dying
Those blackberry thingies I know nothing about, I assume they have some proprietary OS on them, right? If so, there is no hope ever of porting anything on them.

As for N9, that has bern done.
 
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Originally Posted by juiceme View Post
Originally Posted by ibrakalifa View Post
Why not using old blackberry z10 or maybe z30, or even nokia n9, port fully working stable Sailfish and ressurect them from dying
As for N9, that has been done.
I have not seen that port but from what I have read on these pages, it is not what one would exactly call "fully working" and "stable"
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#50
Originally Posted by ibrakalifa View Post
Why not using old blackberry z10 or maybe z30, or even nokia n9, port fully working stable Sailfish and ressurect them from dying
Good idea, blackberry's hardware for maemo/sailfish would be a perfect match. ..but there is no root exploits or bootloader available for this hardware, and probably won't be.

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