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We may be in for a surprise. Take Samsung. They were for me always a fridge manufacturer. When I bought my first Samsung phone back in 2001 (or was it 2002?), it was a novelty. A friend even questioned whether Samsung could ever pull that off. Now they have the biggest market share on mobile phones.
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2015-03-27
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Haha! Exactly. And I don't like Samsung being on the top even a bit. They don't even do anything in the mobile industry. Just keep releasing a new flagship phone every 6 months.
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2015-03-27
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Originally Posted by princefakhan
Nokia will license out their name to Foxconn and other Chinese phone manufacturers from 2016 (with their launcher on top). I think the current leadership is burnt out on phones, there's no desire to go back there. They have nothing left of their mobile division - which was a money sink anyway - it all went to Microsoft. The only entry I can realistically see would be a Jolla-like, small team, Android or Meego-esque OS. But them they wouldn't be able to license their name so easily, so the opportunity cost wouldn't be worth it.
I agree on the processor hampering but Symbian ran fine on those processors too. Atleast better than any Android at the time of 808 PV. I know because I used it. Used it till last year. But the functionality was the problem. Yeah! Bad Web Browser, not many mainstream apps.
And wrong. Nokia is gonna make phones after 2016. And damn good ones. I'm excited. But there is always hope for the newcomers. Sailfish is a great one, if it could extend its market to other countries.
As for the 808, I'd expect it to run well on pretty much any processor. For one, look at the screen resolution. Android phones may have been fairly laggy at the time, but I think the Galaxy SIII (which released in the same month) would've run Android fine if it needed to display only 230k pixels, instead of the 921k it actually did.
Anyway, Nokia's actually doing fairly well now. They've adapted before, this is just another change of face.
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2015-03-27
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Originally Posted by From Vertu with Love
Yes, that is even quite probable. Foxconn will roll out a generic android with the licensed name on the front face.
Nokia will license out their name to Foxconn and other Chinese phone manufacturers from 2016 (with their launcher on top).
However it will not be a "Nokia device", just like the tablet isn't.
Originally Posted by From Vertu with Love
True again. If Nokia went into phones again, it'd have to be in a big way and there just is no possibility for it again. The mobile industry is shaped like that now; there's room at the top for only 1 or 2 players, and some profitability for really small players on the bottom.
I think the current leadership is burnt out on phones, there's no desire to go back there. They have nothing left of their mobile division - which was a money sink anyway - it all went to Microsoft. The only entry I can realistically see would be a Jolla-like, small team, Android or Meego-esque OS. But them they wouldn't be able to license their name so easily, so the opportunity cost wouldn't be worth it.
Originally Posted by From Vertu with Love
Indeed. Going into denial is the receipe for disaster and doom, it is important to realize when a segment is turning sour and turn into doing other things.
As for the 808, I'd expect it to run well on pretty much any processor. For one, look at the screen resolution. Android phones may have been fairly laggy at the time, but I think the Galaxy SIII (which released in the same month) would've run Android fine if it needed to display only 230k pixels, instead of the 921k it actually did.
Anyway, Nokia's actually doing fairly well now. They've adapted before, this is just another change of face.
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2015-03-27
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Hmmm. That sounds about right. Nokia needs to rely on Foxconn or other Chinese manufacturers for now. And it sure has to come up with something big to get into the Race again. I mean N1 is a good tablet and a successful one, but they did not release it in any other country yet. Maybe they won't. Cuz the aftermaket service is given by Foxconn and not Nokia.
As for the 808, I don't know if it is just that device or every Symbian device out there. Though, I am still intrigued by it that even now most phones can't handle 1080p videos well. And it was my favorite media device because it ran anything I put in it.
As for the 808, I don't know if it is just that device or every Symbian device out there. Though, I am still intrigued by it that even now most phones can't handle 1080p videos well. And it was my favorite media device because it ran anything I put in it.
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
I don't know about Samsung, but Nokia went for "differentiation", so each year they released a bunch of phones which was differentiated by which features were missing. So instead of releasing 2-3 feature complete phones and they released a myriad of feature incomplete phones. This does nothing for their bottom line in terms of the extra product development costs, marketing costs and support costs (and consequently customer goodwill costs). Which meant the only phones that got some support (ie updates, bugfixes etc) were the models that sold the most, which left the owners of the less popular models with a bitter aftertaste.
Nokia, Samsung et al during the feature phone years were specialists of adding one feature while removing another in every new model hence never releasing a "complete" device.
For a while Nokia even had the bright idea of competing with itself. The phones were split into 2 divisions - one producing "business" phones (the E-series) the other producing "personal" phones (the N-series). The 2 divisions were hugely territorial, stuff developed at one division would not be given to the other. So you ended up with E phones having decent email software but crappy multimedia software and vice-versa EVEN though the software runs fine on both E and N phones. So if you were an E phone owner fed up with the crappy default music/video playback you had to trawl through Nokia's website to see if they had the N-series media player available as a separate download, download it and install it. Unfortunately most users aren't so savvy. Nokia's masterplan at that time was that (they hoped) you would have at least 2 phones - one for work and one for pleasure and hence their stupid tactic of crippling their phones.
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You know Nokia would be doing fine if all they did was to release the OnePlus One 64GB for $349 and relied on Foxconn and Google's Android.
Although, they would have to come up with their own services, and monetize it.
Think of what Xiaomi is doing. They've got competitive flagships on big discount. Barely any brick and mortart stores. And the surprisingly big profits come through the services people are a part of.
Why?
Because there comes a time where the hardware sort of hits a limit, and it plateaus.
Remember when the OG NOTE was revolutionary?
It had a sub-5in display, HD resolution, ICS, largest battery, latest SoC, decent cameraphones.
In 3 years those specs became low-mid range!
In fact, people wouldn't complain too much about them... but poor software or poor services, people will !
And in my opinion, its harder to build software and services than it is to build hardware.
You can always source hardware like:
- Qualcomm for the SoC
- LG for the display
- SONY for the camera
- China for the housing/boxing/accessories
(hell you can even source the software from AOSP, CM Inc, UbuntuPhone, FirefoxOS, webOS, Nemo, Windows, Blackberry etc etc)
Although, they would have to come up with their own services, and monetize it.
Think of what Xiaomi is doing. They've got competitive flagships on big discount. Barely any brick and mortart stores. And the surprisingly big profits come through the services people are a part of.
Why?
Because there comes a time where the hardware sort of hits a limit, and it plateaus.
Remember when the OG NOTE was revolutionary?
It had a sub-5in display, HD resolution, ICS, largest battery, latest SoC, decent cameraphones.
In 3 years those specs became low-mid range!
In fact, people wouldn't complain too much about them... but poor software or poor services, people will !
And in my opinion, its harder to build software and services than it is to build hardware.
You can always source hardware like:
- Qualcomm for the SoC
- LG for the display
- SONY for the camera
- China for the housing/boxing/accessories
(hell you can even source the software from AOSP, CM Inc, UbuntuPhone, FirefoxOS, webOS, Nemo, Windows, Blackberry etc etc)
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Originally Posted by Kangal
Hmm... I am curious about WebOS, I dislike systemd inside Nemo, I would not go for closed-source Windows-Blackberry, and FirefoxOS is currently too limited.
You know Nokia would be doing fine if all they did was to release the OnePlus One 64GB for $349 and relied on Foxconn and Google's Android.
Although, they would have to come up with their own services, and monetize it.
Think of what Xiaomi is doing. They've got competitive flagships on big discount. Barely any brick and mortart stores. And the surprisingly big profits come through the services people are a part of.
Why?
Because there comes a time where the hardware sort of hits a limit, and it plateaus.
Remember when the OG NOTE was revolutionary?
It had a sub-5in display, HD resolution, ICS, largest battery, latest SoC, decent cameraphones.
In 3 years those specs became low-mid range!
In fact, people wouldn't complain too much about them... but poor software or poor services, people will !
And in my opinion, its harder to build software and services than it is to build hardware.
You can always source hardware like:
- Qualcomm for the SoC
- LG for the display
- SONY for the camera
- China for the housing/boxing/accessories
(hell you can even source the software from AOSP, CM Inc, UbuntuPhone, FirefoxOS, webOS, Nemo, Windows, Blackberry etc etc)
Also, I do greatly dislike "generic" hardware. Like, one huge brittle display, and no buttons. Hardware has to be innovative. As in, unusual, comfortable, and adaptable to user's needs.
As I said about Jolla 2: instead of having 1 phone (including screen) + 1 OtherHalf, they should have 1 phone (without screen) + 2 OtherHalves (on different sides of it). Maybe, it would have been a bit bulkier. But, it would have been greatly customizable.
Depending on availability of BlackBerry passport parts (especially capacitive keyboard), and their hardware compatibility with other devices, I might yet try to create chimera phone... Frankly, I do not expect it to be feasible...
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Originally Posted by Wikiwide
As I said about Jolla 2: instead of having 1 phone (including screen) + 1 OtherHalf, they should have 1 phone (without screen) + 2 OtherHalves (on different sides of it). Maybe, it would have been a bit bulkier. But, it would have been greatly customizable.
While this sounds like a good idea.
In practice it is not. You are increasing weight, thickness, and lag between screen and device.
On top of that, the screens can't be generic.
They would have to be specially tailored. And this means more time, more money, less units.
If you're interested in something like that, see Google's Project Ara, the modular phone.
I believe cohesive devices and services will (always) win out.
In fact, its done so in may fields... not just in smartphones, eg:
- disposable razors are more common
- cars are built to be disposable and recyclable
- recyclable packaging on many products
- even health corporations want to treat symptoms instead of find cures
- etc etc
It's not the early 1900's where things were made to last : (
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