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Originally Posted by Estel
Too bad some corporation keeps coming along and taking wads of it and promising I bought something I don't really own. :P ...and I don't necessarily mean just Nokia, here. I just wish they had been better than that.
Noticed that hat full of money, close to his left feet?
Originally Posted by Estel
That's very witty. Indeed! ...except, I'm not sure that THEY, whomever they are at any given site and moment in time, had been here when THIS was originally started by people interested in TALKING... about TABLETS... that were made for the INTERNET... as opposed to the various tablet devices that were mostly being used as PDA's or overly power-hungry laptops missing a keyboard. This site has a certain amount of legacy those 34632432456 sites never had and we've already begun losing good people to said sites. It would be an incredible gain to win some, all or even MORE of those people back and their associates and friends. Savvy?
Because if I/You/everyone want to talk about other tablet systems, me/you/they can go to 34632432456 places around net? And, many people - me including - are interested in Maemo, not other systems, so we are here, not there? And we don't want "here" to become "there?"
Originally Posted by Estel
Because WINE is in threat of becoming irrelevant? Maemo is, and certainly will be, now that MeeGo was spun up and Nokia decided to put their NOKIA branded boots on Maemo's throat. Welcome to the orphaned OS fold.. right alongside the focused forums for old Atari, Commodore, TI (99/4A), Timex (Sinclair), etc. ...or should this forum proceed beyond the orphaned and remain relevant by reverting back to the much smarter original Internet Tablet Talk? I should prefer the latter. It would appear you never really understood the repeated replies to those "explanations" you speak of.
Sorry for playing with language, but i think it was explained so much times in this sole thread... We need to focus on some thing, not to get "under our wings" everything. We can as good talk here about Desktop systems too, why not? Or better any operating system, or even better any software released anywhere? Can You imagine Wine guys with forum "focused" on talking about all operating systems? Or Debian guys with forum for Apple Mac/Ipods?
Originally Posted by Estel
It seems ironic that you're in agreement with me there, but Maemo isn't the most open, nor the only "kinda-sorta open", and not even the best or most well supported by its own creators, out of all of them.
Anyway, as I said before - I can't care less for name, as long as main goal - developing Open Source mobile system - is achieved.
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2011-07-19
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Originally Posted by danramos
Hey, to be honest, I think that Maemo was "orphaned" by Nokia long time ago. And it seems to manage quite well, even better than with Nokia *very* limited support (cause now You know, that if You want something fixed/added, You must do it Yourself - Nokia won't, so don't even try waiting for them). sorry, but 99% of enhancements, were done by community. Yea, Nokia released PR's, but comparing it to community-driver projects...
Welcome to the orphaned OS fold.. right alongside the focused forums for old Atari, Commodore, TI (99/4A), Timex (Sinclair), etc. ...
BTW, don't use almost-dead *closed* (or open now, but with source code releases ~10 years after becoming officially dead) source systems as argument why our forum shouldn't be focused only on *open* system...
Originally Posted by danramos
I totally agree with it. Still, Maemo is *most* open from existing mobile systems, and ones supported by manufacturers (Android) aren't even a fraction of such openness. So, despite irritating closed parts, it's logical decision to build totally Open System based on existing one with most Open'ish % of content - Maemo.
It seems ironic that you're in agreement with me there, but Maemo isn't the most open, nor the only "kinda-sorta open", and not even the best or most well supported by its own creators, out of all of them.
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2011-07-19
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Originally Posted by Estel
Ok now you have your Open Source Mobile System all figured out and well into development..... what device will you apply it too?.
Anyway, as I said before - I can't care less for name, as long as main goal - developing Open Source mobile system - is achieved.
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I am beggining to realise this forum is full of dreamers that do not see reality for what it is.
Reading Estel's last post makes me wonder what planet he is on lol as he still thinks Maemo is the way to go.... oh well.
If maemo dies a death because of whatever reason then where does that leave this community?, as much as i read on here all i see is endless talk about developing this and that but just where is this development meant for and for what device?.
If this community is winding down then to be honest i am not suprised looking at the way it operates but hey prove me wrong here.
The community is looking for new direction ok but where? when? what has to happen to move it to another light ? any idea's?.
Reading Estel's last post makes me wonder what planet he is on lol as he still thinks Maemo is the way to go.... oh well.
If maemo dies a death because of whatever reason then where does that leave this community?, as much as i read on here all i see is endless talk about developing this and that but just where is this development meant for and for what device?.
If this community is winding down then to be honest i am not suprised looking at the way it operates but hey prove me wrong here.
The community is looking for new direction ok but where? when? what has to happen to move it to another light ? any idea's?.
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2011-07-19
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
If this community dies, so will maemo.
If maemo dies a death because of whatever reason then where does that leave this community?
Not the other way around.
And for crying out loud, read up a little about GPL and copyleft.
They're pretty much immortal.
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2011-07-19
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Originally Posted by ysss
You don't get it do you? and you think aimless software development will go somewhere if not directed at a specific area or device? and who would be part of this if there is no goals or targets to reach?.
If this community dies, so will maemo.
Not the other way around.
And for crying out loud, read up a little about GPL and copyleft.
They're pretty much immortal.
Or is this community going to be a co-op for any louse that comes along that need hibernation lol.
Like i do not know about GNU/gpl or copyleft?, all i am trying to establish here is where the community will or can go if it pulls away from Nokia, simple as that really.
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
Welcome to world of free open source development. Itīs just living organism that goes _somewhere_ depending on individuals and most importantly it stays alive "forever". If you want effective, streamlined and tightly managed software development then this is probably wrong place.^
You don't get it do you? and you think aimless software development will go somewhere if not directed at a specific area or device? and who would be part of this if there is no goals or targets to reach?.
Everything here depends on free will of people and their willingness to collaborate and self organize to groups. Just meeting place for people a like. This place has not been nor it will be some developing organization that governs app developing or maemo CSSU developing. If people choose to leave this place then they leave. Currently 1 million downloads per week tells of course totally different story. I would like to see page loads for different areas also. Any historical graphs that some geek can search for us?
Itīs good to have plans. But by being drama queen (Sorry but to me your text is just too aggressive) doesnīt get anything done nor has any positive effect on anyone so calm down couple of notches.
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I have had constant stream of patches, tweaks, fixes and apps to my system :| On the other hand I use devel.repo and read constantly TMO/MWKN/Twitter/Maemo-news to cherry pick all the good stuff. Itīs bit of work but pays back.
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Originally Posted by slender
Your forgetting that this is a PUBLIC community and will not be anything as popular if you had your way because the people on here are dealing with real devices that have problems one way or another so you need to look at the kind of talk conducted on here and you will soon realise people are far more "dramatic" than i can ever be.
Welcome to world of free open source development. Itīs just living organism that goes _somewhere_ depending on individuals and most importantly it stays alive "forever". If you want effective, streamlined and highly managed software development then this is probably wrong place.
Everything here depends on free will of people and their willingness to collaborate and self organize to groups. Just meeting place for people a like. This place has not been nor it will be some developing organization that governs app developing or maemo CSSU developing. If people choose to leave this place then they leave. Currently 1 million downloads per week tells of course totally different story. I would like to see page loads for different areas also. Any historical graphs that some geek can search for us?
Itīs good to have plans. But by being drama queen (Sorry but to me your text is just too aggressive) doesnīt get anything done nor has any positive effect on anyone so calm down couple of notches.
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I have had constant stream of patches, tweaks, fixes and apps to my system :| On the other hand I use devel.repo and read constantly TMO/MWKN/Twitter/Maemo-news to cherry pick all the good stuff. Itīs bit of work but pays back.
If your dealing with the general public then you need to keep the interest going and i do not see software development without a specific aim at a specific device being very popular at all, rather it would turn into a specialised dev's community with no specific aim at all.
"This place has not been nor it will be some developing organization that governs app developing or maemo CSSU developing."
Do you realise what your saying here?, if it was not for the N900 and Maemo this community would not have the name it has and non of the above would have happened in any way or form so you kind of reversed everything there as it IS a community that governs apps etc etc.
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I have seen very little "General" public here (Not sure if I understood you correctly). I have met some of this "general" public face to face and they do not even know that they were are able to update their system or add magic items like "repositories" to their system. After all since from beginning line up to N900 has been for quite strictly for (in good and bad) tinkers.
Even thought this is PUBLIC this is still very very niche forum. Remember that!
Even thought this is PUBLIC this is still very very niche forum. Remember that!
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Sorry for playing with language, but i think it was explained so much times in this sole thread... We need to focus on some thing, not to get "under our wings" everything. We can as good talk here about Desktop systems too, why not? Or better any operating system, or even better any software released anywhere? Can You imagine Wine guys with forum "focused" on talking about all operating systems? Or Debian guys with forum for Apple Mac/Ipods?
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