Originally Posted by gerbick

Lemme guess... you're talking about woody and estel I take it?

Woody came here, full of fire. I can appreciate his willingness to admit when he's wrong.

Estel, to be honest... I've avoided his posts because his tone is not one that I could acquire a taste for. He's rather acerbic and I cannot say that I agree with ½ of what he says, if anything to be honest - mainly due to tone.

vi, same. His tonality has been an issue for me on many posts where his point was great, but the delivery was my issue.

The above two have the same manner of speaking as the only person on my ignore list, benny1967.

Some of the people that I truly look forward to posting have been silent in this thread or reserved. So to see Marxian drop a post in this thread, I was surprised. But look at his tone, his activity and his participation. That dude gets what community means. The above... they're seemingly busy establishing themselves in a community as an outstanding individual that once you disagree with them, they'll state whatever they want, in a way that's not becoming of their station at times.

And they got rewarded for that behavior it seems.

If this stuff was still based on karma points, I'd be a shoo-in. If this was based on community participation, I have to finally say that I get what Arie and (to a much lesser extent) abill_uk is stating... some of the aforementioned folks in this thread that are being questioned have stated that they will do nothing more for this community.

And they got rewarded for that behavior too, it seems.

Meh, complaining about it ad nauseum won't change anything. Nor adding them to an ignore list. The last breaths of this forum will end up being sullied by rewarding such individuals and come January, this place will invariably get shuttered because funding has been removed, nobody will be able to legally take the autobuilder and repositories away with Maemo/MeeGo code in it.

Funny thing. I vowed to not put my name in the running for anything after I had a rather nasty dispute with Quim about why I wasn't awarded a N950 the first time because I had three Android applications that I was willing to port - two were already in the Android Market - and I was quickly learning Qt.

I have to hand it to him. He stayed civil, even kind in all of his responses to me. Didn't have to be that way, but he was. Compare that to this thread; I cannot say that I'm a fan of how many people are acting.

I've since placed Qt on the back-burner, in fact I'll probably not go back to it since Nokia has abandoned it and only RIM is going to use it and I'm definitely not a RIM/Blackberry fan. I guess that was a blessing in disguise.

Cooler heads need to prevail. Calm down folks. It's just a device that we didn't get. And I repeat... if you have a guilty conscience, feel free to send me yours.

Originally Posted by Arie

At a time when we as a community need to stick together more than ever, the greed of certain individuals has already tainted the new council.

At this point there is nothing more I want to do with Harmattan or maemo.org.

I have been called a troll by council members and people that are clearly not aware of what I am trying to get across.

With this, Estel, Woody, Vi_, and the rest of those people can enjoy the end of an era.

I am done supporting the council in any of it's efforts, if anything is to happen to this community, I am placing the blame solely on you. You have destroyed a place that I had faith in and trusted, but to have certain people come out and treat me as such, has been completely disrespectful.

The council should be ashamed of it's conduct in this thread and no less towards people who have tried to help the community stay alive.

Thank you to all who have helped get my point out from itsnotabigtruck, creamy goodness, wolke, sifo, ZogG, thedead1440, marxian, abill_uk, and even Gerbick and anyone else you have forgotten.

I hope that the council is satisfied. You have created a bigger rift in between the communities and instead of trying to fix it, you have put us down, misinterpreted our statements and belittled us. All because you are interested in keeping a piece of outdated technology in your pocket. Bravo.

All you had to do to solve this issue was give up 2 devices to 2 people and I have no doubt no one would have complained.

You have earned yourselves a place as the worst council to come into history here, before even doing anything major.

Putting me on an ignore list won't solve your issue, there are so many more people fighting to get my point across.

Good Luck Maemo.org, you will need it.

SD69, thank you for all of your efforts so far in this community and I appreciate all the behind the scenes work you have done for us, we will forever be indebted to you for keeping this place running. You are one of the unsung hero's of maemo.org.

Originally Posted by bingomion

Maemo will always have a communty!

Originally Posted by don.edri

Hi all!
I'm following this thread form the beginning and I can see that dispute is getting angrier and angrier all the time. I think this might be the solution to the problem:

As obviously, part of the community is dissatisfied with the results of CA awards and council granting themselves some of the prizes, I think it can not be ignored. Therefore I suggest there is a vote by community to resolve this issue. The vote to confirm what steps should be taken - is it to keep the current state of affairs or to review the results of CA. I guess that if most of the community agrees that current results are just, CA results will get the required legitimacy and we can go on waiting for PR 1.3 without all this nonsense. Otherwise, the preferred way if action will be described by community and hopefully the council members will comply; again, everybody will be satisfied, and able to focus on waiting for PR 1.3 !

Originally Posted by thedead1440

abill the reason why a new thread is not being started by us is due to us not wanting to be split...you see all the attention is already on this thread and people are voicing out here...a new thread will effectively discard all the discussion here and make things messy...

the solution is simple...look at those who were undeserving of the device including 3 out of 4 council members. Just 2 of them need to give up their devices to itsnotabigtruck and e-yes to soothe thngs over...

BUT the Council looks to be ignorant at worst or naive at best for those on the outside...not an attack but the general impression one gets when you see such debate being done just because 2 ppl don't want to give up their n950s to more deserving people who have and will continue to benefit the community...

Edit: Before someone gets the wrong impression, I absolutely agree that SD69 deserves his award. He's been the unsung hero of the community and nobody at all berudges him his long-deserved award. This award is the least the community could give him.