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2010-02-18
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Originally Posted by benny1967
More like threw the wheel away.
oh come on.... they didn't exactly re-invent the wheel, did they?
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2010-02-18
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Originally Posted by timwatt
I think your concerns are certainly valid. MeeGo is certainly unproven. There is a a high degree of difficulty in making a distro that appeals to the techy community. But, from what I have seen, both Nokia and Intel whant to do 'the right thing'. Also, the existing mailing lists show that MeeGo is willing to listen and discuss these issues. I have a good feeling about it so far.
It all sounds good and well, the only reason I got into this whole thing was Nokia made the first internet tablet and I was born wanting to surf the net on Sunday morning from my internet t tablet (as my palm or laptop didn't cut it)
What got me existed with maemo as a Linux newbie, who has no programming experience, was the fact that Linux enthusiasts had ported programs to do everything I could think of. My maemo device is now used to remote desktop into my office or home over a secure SSH connection. Imbedded Linux has offend a solution that allows me to run may computers turn them on and off remotely reducing my energy footprint and meeting greater eco mandates The practical implantation of VOIP solutions have made it almost indispensable. (I can now envision retirement with technology at my call without the comprehensive monthly cell phone plan and all the other web 2.0 services amortised over 15 year. )
All the custom solutions I have implemented are built on experience Debian related enthusiasts have brought to the table - this transfer of knowledge is progress.
All in all the existing Linux community with the help of Nokia's maemo have delivered on what I believe is "progress" enabling a paradigm sift in evolution of technology.
I don't know what MeeGo will brings to the table but I fear it looks something more like iPhone OS, Android or Palms's WebOS that enables a business model that are not progress or consumer centric .
None of the resulting Linux based OS's above have been able to deliver what maemo has done and I believe it has only happened because of the community support and existing experience.
Dumping the community's experience, paralyses my need and cripples progress. If I could give my $0.02 Nokia should have played out the experiment before cashing in on a tangible business opportunity.
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2010-02-18
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...they walked out on the current game...
...teamed up with another club to create a new one with a crappy name...
...and left the audience standing, holding flags with the old team's name, with no one to cheer on...
... well ok, not really, we're waiting to be moved to the new stadium and see how the new game will play out.
...teamed up with another club to create a new one with a crappy name...
...and left the audience standing, holding flags with the old team's name, with no one to cheer on...
... well ok, not really, we're waiting to be moved to the new stadium and see how the new game will play out.
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2010-02-18
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Excuse me guys: what are you talking about?
Intel and Nokia have proven good knowledge of Linux and free desktop develolpment. Look the code repositories and ask the maintainers if you don't trust this.
Moblin and Maemo have very similar software stacks. MeeGo is about picking what is already common and agreeing on the resolution of the diffs.
So from a technical point of view this is not a new game at all. It's a pure natural evolution. We would have taken the MeeGo OS with handset UX, we would have called it "Maemo 6 platform" and the majority of talk.maemo.org would have continued with whatever they were discussing without noticing the change.
The new ballgame comes from the business side: a neutral Linux mobile distro hosted by the Linux Foundation and open to all vendors.
Why an N900 user thinks that s/he is loosing something with MeeGo is beyond rational thinking. Sure, the unclarity about MeeGo being officially supported in the N900 invites such reactions beyond rationality. But that uncertainty (that no, we can't solve here and now) was already with Maemo 6 in the horizon. MeeGo brings more application developement attention sooner to the N900 and brings also a more solid platform able to deal with several types of devices.
So really, whatever N900 users had last week has improved significantly with the launch of MeeGo. If you think this is not true please explain why.
Intel and Nokia have proven good knowledge of Linux and free desktop develolpment. Look the code repositories and ask the maintainers if you don't trust this.
Moblin and Maemo have very similar software stacks. MeeGo is about picking what is already common and agreeing on the resolution of the diffs.
So from a technical point of view this is not a new game at all. It's a pure natural evolution. We would have taken the MeeGo OS with handset UX, we would have called it "Maemo 6 platform" and the majority of talk.maemo.org would have continued with whatever they were discussing without noticing the change.
The new ballgame comes from the business side: a neutral Linux mobile distro hosted by the Linux Foundation and open to all vendors.
Why an N900 user thinks that s/he is loosing something with MeeGo is beyond rational thinking. Sure, the unclarity about MeeGo being officially supported in the N900 invites such reactions beyond rationality. But that uncertainty (that no, we can't solve here and now) was already with Maemo 6 in the horizon. MeeGo brings more application developement attention sooner to the N900 and brings also a more solid platform able to deal with several types of devices.
So really, whatever N900 users had last week has improved significantly with the launch of MeeGo. If you think this is not true please explain why.
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2010-02-18
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Jim Zemlin from the Linux Foundation is surely a good reading to understand the kind of ballgame MeeGo is: http://www.linux.com/news/featured-b...ux-with-meego-
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2010-02-18
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Originally Posted by qgil
Quim, there is nothing irrational about this at all. Technical issues, indeed, are irrelevant.
Excuse me guys: what are you talking about?
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Why an N900 user thinks that s/he is loosing something with MeeGo is beyond rational thinking.
What we are seeing here is a bunch of people who feel they have invested their time and/or trust and/or work, over the past few months or years, in a community project that had a clear brand, roadmap and stewardship, and was starting to take shape after a lot of effort (including yours).
Now, all of a sudden, it looks like all three (brand, roadmap and stewardship) have been discarded overnight in favour of the Intel/Nokia partnership, which clearly has huge potential on several fronts, but also has precious little in the way of community scaffolding and guidelines. It definitely feels like starting all over again : the "culture" shock between maemo and moblin already happening over at meego.com reeks of déjà vu, like when ITT was folded into maemo.org not so long ago.
This thread and its siblings are just the aimless milling around of people with questions and no answers: people who felt they "fit in" maemo.org, and need to know if/how/when they might "fit in" meego.com and not let their previous involvement be wasted. Simple as that.
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2010-02-18
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You do realise that as a community we will have more control over MeeGo?
Eventually it will mean anyone can get involved in the development of the platform and not rely in a single entity to continue it's development in the future.
Maemo is begining to "grow up" and experience growing pains now. Hopefully soon things will get easier.
Let's give this a chance and see what happens. The more we can participate in a positive way the more we can shape the platform to serve us as well as commercial entities.
It will mean a more openly developed platform which means older devices will be able to take advantage of this.
Eventually it will mean anyone can get involved in the development of the platform and not rely in a single entity to continue it's development in the future.
Maemo is begining to "grow up" and experience growing pains now. Hopefully soon things will get easier.
Let's give this a chance and see what happens. The more we can participate in a positive way the more we can shape the platform to serve us as well as commercial entities.
It will mean a more openly developed platform which means older devices will be able to take advantage of this.
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2010-02-18
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Originally Posted by fpp
So, may I offer you an aim? Come and help form MeeGo, propose to have the same (or better) Talk, give your opinion on the look and structure of the MeeGo homepage, sign up for the Community workgroup (http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a..._working_group)
This thread and its siblings are just the aimless milling around of people with questions and no answers: people who felt they "fit in" maemo.org, and need to know if/how/when they might "fit in" meego.com and not let their previous involvement be wasted. Simple as that.
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2010-02-18
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Originally Posted by RenegadeFanboy
True, but the sooner we get a good forum for talking at MeegGo.com the better. Not all of us are terribly comfortable with either mailing lists or IRC. There has already been some complaints about #meego chats. If there were some sort of forum/board/talk-place, I think people would be there instead of here.
So, may I offer you an aim? Come and help form MeeGo, propose to have the same (or better) Talk, give your opinion on the look and structure of the MeeGo homepage, sign up for the Community workgroup (http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a..._working_group)
You can make sure that meego is a new, improved home for all of us, but contributing yourself
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What got me existed with maemo as a Linux newbie, who has no programming experience, was the fact that Linux enthusiasts had ported programs to do everything I could think of. My maemo device is now used to remote desktop into my office or home over a secure SSH connection. Imbedded Linux has offend a solution that allows me to run may computers turn them on and off remotely reducing my energy footprint and meeting greater eco mandates The practical implantation of VOIP solutions have made it almost indispensable. (I can now envision retirement with technology at my call without the comprehensive monthly cell phone plan and all the other web 2.0 services amortised over 15 year. )
All the custom solutions I have implemented are built on experience Debian related enthusiasts have brought to the table - this transfer of knowledge is progress.
All in all the existing Linux community with the help of Nokia's maemo have delivered on what I believe is "progress" enabling a paradigm sift in evolution of technology.
I don't know what MeeGo will brings to the table but I fear it looks something more like iPhone OS, Android or Palms's WebOS that enables a business model that are not progress or consumer centric .
None of the resulting Linux based OS's above have been able to deliver what maemo has done and I believe it has only happened because of the community support and existing experience.
Dumping the community's experience, paralyses my need and cripples progress. If I could give my $0.02 Nokia should have played out the experiment before cashing in on a tangible business opportunity.