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	ysss	2011-06-17 , 10:50
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Originally Posted by erendorn

I fail to see how that makes advertising less effective???

Oh it's VERY effective. If you've read the statistics of how ads exposure on younger audiences leave a lifetime of mental imprint and how it affects their limbic system, you'd think it's TOO effective.

I was illustrating how companies align their interests with the audience. (and media distribution channels,roduction houses, etc).

Don't think this is all about money, though. Because us FOSS crowd need to find better ways to align our interests with the masses,and it's not always about the $$$.

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momcilo	2011-06-17 , 10:51
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Originally Posted by misterc

don't agree w/ rotten iPotatos (iPhone?) being disruptive technologies.

In that case the following things where disruptive (some are not technologies):
- marketing (IMHO)
- packaging (box, bag, the feeling you have when leaving the store and everybody can see what you've bought)
- multi-touch did disrupt all existing products. It did not stop the sales, but it told avarage Joe who the new boss is.
- kinetic scrolling

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	misterc	2011-06-17 , 10:54
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Originally Posted by ysss

[...]
Don't think this is all about money, though. Because us FOSS crowd need to find better ways to align our interests with the masses,and it's not always about the $$$.

so far, VERY few companies have been able to make money with / from OSS
redhat, maybe...
?

thus, no, indeed, OSS isn't about money
never was, never will be.
it is free, as in... free beer

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kanishou	2011-06-17 , 10:54
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Originally Posted by misterc

i quote your quote

my point, exactly

Note "initially". This would fit the introduction of the iPhone. After all, it's just a plastic toy that can't do half of what Symbian does, right? It can't even do MMS or copy and paste, who would use such a crippled thing!

Not aimed at the same existing customers / the mainstream does not mean that disruptive technology is any less aimed at customers. That's the whole point of it.

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	misterc	2011-06-17 , 10:56
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Originally Posted by momcilo

In that case the following things where disruptive (some are not technologies):
- marketing (IMHO)
- packaging (box, bag, the feeling you have when leaving the store and everybody can see what you've bought)
- multi-touch did disrupt all existing products. It did not stop the sales, but it told avarage Joe who the new boss is.
- kinetic scrolling

are you describing rotten iPotatos' business plan?

didn't you forget something?
jailbreak?

which, btw, wasn't part of the plan, now, was it?

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	misterc	2011-06-17 , 11:00
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an ad idea for the successor of the N900...

you don't need jailbreak (TM) to use it

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momcilo	2011-06-17 , 11:03
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Originally Posted by misterc

are you describing rotten iPotatos' business plan?

didn't you forget something?
jailbreak?

which, btw, wasn't part of the plan, now, was it?

I did not, that was the first eco$i$tem. Enclosing/dis-powering of the user was intentional.

Sony also has the eco$i$tem.

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	ysss	2011-06-17 , 11:11
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Originally Posted by misterc

so far, VERY few companies have been able to make money with / from OSS
redhat, maybe...
?

thus, no, indeed, OSS isn't about money
never was, never will be.
it is free, as in... free beer

Google.
Palm. hp.
Cisco. Linksys.
(just about all network gears equipment maker)
Moto.
Lenovo.
IBM.

The companies mentioned above are just a very very small fraction of those who have made HUGE amount of money by selling products/services powered by opensource components. (And managed to align their interests, somewhat, with the FOSS movement still).

So, no.

There are some very very creative people out there.

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	misterc	2011-06-17 , 11:26
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Originally Posted by momcilo

I did not, that was the first eco$i$tem. Enclosing/dis-powering of the user was intentional.

Sony also has the eco$i$tem.

Question (!)
isn't Maemo.org NOKIA's ecosystem for the Maemo platform?
but it is open source, thus, no it doesn't bring any money directly.

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	benny1967	2011-06-17 , 11:28
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Originally Posted by momcilo

In that case the following things where disruptive (some are not technologies):
- marketing (IMHO)
- packaging (box, bag, the feeling you have when leaving the store and everybody can see what you've bought)
- multi-touch did disrupt all existing products. It did not stop the sales, but it told avarage Joe who the new boss is.
- kinetic scrolling

so we're talking about disruptive marketing, not disruptive technologies? yes. apple know how to do disrutpive marketing, i agree on that. (plus, they know how to reach their target group of consumers willing to give up dignity and control.)

now can we all go back and anticipate the N9 again? no matter if it'll be disruptive (i start hating this word even more than i already hate ecosystem), it'll at least stop the rumors for a while.