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He only cares about money anyways. It's just how it is most of the time, ruthless business.
 
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You can't blame elop for this **** show. Blame the millions who did nothing to stop him it's not like elop just went to nokia HQ one day and told them I want to be your CEO give me all the power. He was selected, vetted, selected, elected, approved , approved again and again over the time...especially the biggest shareholders supported his strategy. A CEO cant do anything without "approvol" from majority of shareholders.

But if it feels better to do it so what the hell..let's blame him

However, it would have been intressting to live in a parallel universe where nokia continued with Symbian and maemo...my guess unfortunatly android would rain on Nokia parade until they left or was bought...still this road would been more fun...for us at least. Go Down swinging.

Let's face it. Nokia couldn't handle the transition and new competition from android and iOS. Anyone actually think maemo could survive android and iOS? And with that I mean keep nokia relevant with above 5% of world market of smartphone ?
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Let's rename Burning Man to Burning Elop.
 
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Originally Posted by half-life_4_life View Post
let's rename burning man to burning elop.
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Edit: or is that the game Where you guess a Word by selecting letters
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Y'know...in context of the multiverse...
technically there is a "shunt" we (our current temporal community) missed the off-ramp to.
One of the universes right beside ours where everything is pretty much the same except some small differences.
Sigh...wish I had gone left instead of right....
Just about positive that in one of them Nokia actually saw the intelligence of the N.I.T. series nxx0 ...continued down the same path (instead of that one minute decision to stop devel. in our bubbleverse) ...creating more and more powerful devices aimed at user openness, choice and control...I think it would have competed (rather IS competing in an alternate (if not multiple alternate) universe) very well against M$/ Apple/ Google. Hm...still...we aren't very far away from that type of possible temporal intersection again...however...the likelihood Nokia will "steer" us all there is diminishing with the passage of time (though is still possible) to be replaced with other players in the game who may accomplish the same effect.
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This article just ruined my day... There are also other unbelievable stuff there. Thanks again Elop for being such a *****.
From the 100 interviews done for the book it was also said that nobody believed, and still believe that it was some kind of MS inside job. Elop was just extremely terrible at his job. Author of the book comes to conclusion that there was no possibility Elop itself had it all for MS.

That said, big questions are raised about involvement of consultant that changed Board of Directors mind 2 weeks before Elop was chosen. Before this consultants speech about "how Elop had opened his eyes of the situation", they were going to choose Vanjoki. This consultant did also happen to work for Microsoft at the time, alongside Nokia.


There's pages after pages of interesting stuff just from random text quotes picked from the book.
- How passionate those old employees were/are and explaining Nokia's situation and past teary eyed.
- Stuff about meltemi and how it was late to the game by the time it was supposed to be announced. Mostly because Android had already captured the price range they were going.
- How livid Nokia's hardware side was about choosing Windows Phone
- How Nokia started erode its old working organisation with the introduction of US style big corporate matrix organisation back in Kallasvuo's CEO days.
- Desperation started seeking inside Nokia and its board of directors shortly after Lumia 800 had gone to sale. *I guess after developing the phone they saw what they were in for

Reading some of the stuff about Windows Phone development from MS side is unbelievable. That's just about how Windows Phones development has looked from the outside.


I doubt I will get the book either. Enough is enough.

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Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
Y'know...in context of the multiverse...
technically there is a "shunt" we (our current temporal community) missed the off-ramp to.
One of the universes right beside ours where everything is pretty much the same except some small differences.
Sigh...wish I had gone left instead of right....
Just about positive that in one of them Nokia actually saw the intelligence of the N.I.T. series nxx0 ...continued down the same path (instead of that one minute decision to stop devel. in our bubbleverse) ...creating more and more powerful devices aimed at user openness, choice and control...I think it would have competed (rather IS competing in an alternate (if not multiple alternate) universe) very well against M$/ Apple/ Google. Hm...still...we aren't very far away from that type of possible temporal intersection again...however...the likelihood Nokia will "steer" us all there is diminishing with the passage of time (though is still possible) to be replaced with other players in the game who may accomplish the same effect.
That gives me a great idea.
I'm gonna start a new (off-topic) thread about this alternate universe where Nokia didn't go down the path of Microsuck.
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#28
I think Dave's got it right...Elop is simply the tool.
Don't blame the tool...that is way too convenient.
Blame those that use the tool improperly.

@ Kangal
It is an interesting postulation eh?
Funny thing is that technically in some alts. Nokia never got off the ground with the NIT or even existed as a corp.
In others it ends up becoming the dominating corp on the planet superceding all the others.
In still more the concept of intelligently aimed openness and choice herald a thoughtful golden age in society and saw the beginning of the collapse of the institutions of greed, disparity, corruption, etc.
In yet others the NIT heralds the dominance of a dark age of control...
Fact is ...theoretically ...what ever can be conceived ...has already happened...is happening ...will happen. It's simply the nature of "the odds".

yeah man...
More and more accepted...mutiverse theory ...it's "overlaps" ...it's "distancing"...from one to another....from what is believably possible..in a nearby univese...to unlikely or impossible in a universe with great separation 'tween "here" and "there".. is way-cool.
I'm all for your multiverse thread.
+1 to that
Got my vote.
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1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
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PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
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Nokia really had it all with meego and qt - says a n9 owner.
 

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Anyone actually think maemo could survive android and iOS? And with that I mean keep nokia relevant with above 5% of world market of smartphone ?
Why not? I've had an iPhone and various Android devices, I don't think either iOS or Android are anything special.
 

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