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I have made quite a few posts (and wiki entries) with header files, info and other things related to the N900 and its internals. Are people out there actually interested in this? And more to the point is the work beneficial or useful to the community?

There is little point in me continuing the work if no-one is actually interested in (or using) the results...
 

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I guess the lack of answer is related rather to lack of manpower, than lack of interest.

As you might be aware from few threads, setting up development environment for Maemo (if someone haven't done so in the "golden" Nokia's times) is so ridiculously, obscenely hard - or even impossible, if someone won't feed you lacking files privately - that I don't expect wave of new coders arriving anytime soon.

OTOH, if the changes in organization of Maemo "Community" finally gets done, and certain people - responsible for current sad state of " emergency life keeping" rather than "development&progress" of Maemo infrastructure - will be kept away from deciding anything related to said organization, there is a slight chance that, at some point, fresh blood will be able to start hacking for Maemo and continuing on your RE work.

So, I would say "continue" with it. But don't expect visible results (until you do them yourself) in close future.

All respect for your work, BTW.

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+1 to that...
Estel's got it right...
don't be discouraged...
people are interested in what you are doing...
I for one am..I've been following it....
Just be understanding concerning lack of manpower at this moment...motor-on with your good works with the hope in the future more souls can commit the time.
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3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)

1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
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THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325

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I appreciate what your doing. I've been looking at the source of several components (inc. MCE) to see what is worth bringing over to debian jessie. being somewhat less experienced than yourself, fmg, pali.. it does take me a lot longer to analyse and understand how it all works together. Without the source it would be even harder.

Take todays topic for research, xprot/pulseaudio. If xprot merely acts as a highpass/lowpass filter (which it may or may not do), why can't we just set up the sink that uses ladspa modules to force all sound through a software filter and avoid nokias closed source module. I can come up with ideas just don't know how to execute them.
 

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RE is cool whatever is it
Though i dont understand entierly whats you are upto and what you would appreciate as a feedback or whats going on as a whole i certianly agree with the begning posts and yes the more documented stuffs become the more people get intrested as sooner or later new heads start popping up and essentialy you are one of them who is helping to kick start it.
 

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I think most everyone waiting for the Neo900 has put up substantial money in the hopes that your work and the other reverse engineering folks can get Maemo5 into OSS land so we can run the great apps developed for the N900.
 

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1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's / 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 loose usb ( parts), 1 has no telephony (parts))
3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)

1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.


PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325

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Originally Posted by jonwil View Post
I have made quite a few posts (and wiki entries) with header files, info and other things related to the N900 and its internals. Are people out there actually interested in this? And more to the point is the work beneficial or useful to the community?

There is little point in me continuing the work if no-one is actually interested in (or using) the results...
Trust me when I say I know where you're coming from. Appreciation -- or the lack of thereof -- is pretty essential for a FOSS developer developing stuff on their spare time. If you're going to spend a decent amount of your time on writing something for the benefit of the community, the "greater good", so to say, you'd expect them to have the decency to say "thank you" when you're handing out all the code and the documentation to them for free, right?
Well, all too often people are unable to even do that, for whatever reason(s). But even so, chances are that by making something available as free and open source software, you've already changed the world -- for better.

jonwil, I'd say that you're a very valued member of this community and many of us admire your work, as we know we're unlikely to ever achieve your level of skill and knowledge. Reverse engineering is no child's play, and despite my interest in programming and mobile platforms, I can safely say I'm not capable of doing ARM reverse-engineering; and given that the majority of non-mobile devices use x86 CPUs, finding an ARM reverse-engineer is likely a lot harder than an x86 one.

Unlike Android, Sailfish OS or the like, Maemo no longer has any major sponsors and this probably explains why there's no Game Boy Color emulator for Maemo, for example. But despite such minor shortcomings, Maemo is probably the best mobile OS I've ever used and the Nokia N900 is a strong candidate for "best mobile phone made so far".

Looking at the wiki page for "Fremantle closed packages", I'd say there's plenty of things to do for the Maemo platform in order to further improve it and make Fremantle Freemantle in order to support projects like Neo900 and whatnot. As Estel already mentioned, getting involved with Maemo development is hard and there just isn't enough manpower. It can be and likely is discouraging at times, but for what it's worth, I hope you won't quit your awesome reverse-engineering efforts or the Maemo community anytime soon.
 

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So basically it sounds like people want me to continue with my reverse engineering work and that it IS useful to the community. Good to know, I will be doing some more this week

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Originally Posted by jonwil View Post
I have made quite a few posts (and wiki entries) with header files, info and other things related to the N900 and its internals. Are people out there actually interested in this? And more to the point is the work beneficial or useful to the community?

There is little point in me continuing the work if no-one is actually interested in (or using) the results...
Ever since I heard about the ARM leak. I was hoping you'd come back and help fmg and pali with the REing again.

I've been using the xml and header files from com.nokia.csd.Call dbus wiki page.
 

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