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I figured considering there are plenty of Canadian network providers with options...and a waste to type it all....so finding a chart with comparisons was easiest. Unfortunately getting better quality out of the pic and having it under the upload max specs wasn't working for me very well...here is the link instead to the list of Canadian Networks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...hone_companies

Hmmm....actually considering the phasing out of cdma over the next couple of years it may deter some from aiming at the PSX8 (won't deter me frankly...most of the globe isn't fortunate enough to have 4g speeds and when I travel it would be nice for the option....and gsm shouldn't be a prob here...) and so the Canadian chart is correct....cdma is available (for how long and for legacy phones/contracts/members seems to be the issue...and so over the next few years ...2017 being the last provider to carry it...the list will dwindle to 0 for cdma carriers) albeit misleading in it's omissions

Here is a (more honest) comprehensive (GSM) Canadian List

http://maps.mobileworldlive.com/netw...0&cname=Canada

A simple breakdown of all carriers by generations... would be....

2G(CDMA/EVDO) GSM: 850/1900 (Rogers, Fido, and MVNOs operating on the Rogers network such as 7-11 and Petro Canada)

3G(GSM/GPRS/EDGE) GSM: 850/1900 (All major networks EXCEPT WIND Mobile and Mobilicity)

(UMTS) AWS 1700/2100 (WIND Mobile and Mobilicity...these companies (are very localized to major urban centres...hence... limited cross-country availability and) are in a current state of flux due to possible buy out by other corps...and limiting restrictions into the canadian market....avoidance is suggested. )

4G LTE: AWS 1700 (Rogers, Bell, Telus and their subsids. - Fido, Virgin, and Koodo...) . Regional carriers may offer LTE coverage
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Source in Hebrew


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Jersey

There are three carriers in Jersey.

JT (JT Global/Jersey Telecom):
2G: GSM 900/1800 [GPRS/EDGE]
3G: UMTS 2100 [W-CDMA/HSDPA] [1]

Airtel (Airtel Jersey/Airtel Vodafone):
2G: GSM 900/1800 [GPRS/EDGE]
3G: UMTS 2100 [W-CDMA/HSDPA] [1]

Sure (Cable and Wireless):
2G: GSM 900/1800 [GPRS/EDGE]
3G: UMTS 2100 [W-CDMA/HSDPA (contract only)] [1]

It looks like suitable modems for the current implementations will be:
PLS8-E, PHS8-P/J/K, PHS8-E or PXS8

PLS8-US looks like it would work, but not with UMTS.

There are no LTE carriers yet, but the regulator expects to have frequencies allocated this year. These will be in the 800 MHz and 2.6 GHz bands. [2]

This means that the ideal future proof modem is:
PLS8-E

Edit 13/02/2015:

The regulator allocated 800 MHz, 1.8 GHz and 2.6 GHz to all three carriers for LTE[-A] in July 2014. [3]

JT's LTE-A network is live as of February 2015. [4]

PLS8-E is therefore the correct modem, as expected.

[1] [2] [3] [4]

Edit 21/05/2015:

JT definitely appears to have an LTE-A (LTE Advanced) network (it appears in a wide range of marketing materials and FAQs). I can't find any evidence that Airtel or Sure do, but they do both seem to have at least LTE. Airtel claimed to wish to deploy LTE-A a couple of years ago [5].

The PLS8-E modem appears to be LTE only [6], but LTE and LTE-A are backwards and forwards compatible with each other so it is of no great concern, despite not being able to take full advantage of an LTE-A network.

[5] [6]

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I like the spreadsheet overview that dos1 and DDark compiled. Perhaps we can put up a shared document/template to compile all of the countries in one document for those interested in contributing?

I plan on creating a similar table for the USA.
 

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Originally Posted by klinglerware View Post
I like the spreadsheet overview that dos1 and DDark compiled.
I can't find a way to view those attachments in a reasonable resolution so I could actually read them. Seems tmo is flawed?
Originally Posted by klinglerware View Post
Perhaps we can put up a shared document/template to compile all of the countries in one document for those interested in contributing?
That's been the plan started with that "table" in that second half of post #1
Originally Posted by klinglerware View Post
I plan on creating a similar table for the USA.
I am not sure they actually created those tables, they rather look like wikipedia tables. If those tables are OO spreadsheets, then I'd be willing to merge any such .od* attachments into one document and publish that in here and on wiki in editable and viewable (html-exported, pdf, jpg, whatever) form [edit] link to first prerelease version to be found in post#1

/j

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Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
CANADA

A simple breakdown of all carriers by generations... would be....

2G(CDMA/EVDO) GSM: 850/1900 (Rogers, Fido, and MVNOs operating on the Rogers network such as 7-11 and Petro Canada)

3G(GSM/GPRS/EDGE) GSM: 850/1900 (All major networks EXCEPT WIND Mobile and Mobilicity)

(UMTS) AWS 1700/2100 (WIND Mobile and Mobilicity...these companies (are very localized to major urban centres...hence... limited cross-country availability and) are in a current state of flux due to possible buy out by other corps...and limiting restrictions into the canadian market....avoidance is suggested. )

4G LTE: AWS 1700 (Rogers, Bell, Telus and their subsids. - Fido, Virgin, and Koodo...) . Regional carriers may offer LTE coverage
I'll clear this up a bit. 2G CDMA is of no consequence in Canada. The networks were used for Bell/Telus but from what I gather are now only sold by discount MVNO's. Bell/Telus share a 3G HSPA network nationwide, coverage is not an issue. MTS and Sasktel also adopted HSPA.

Big 3 Breakdown

Rogers 2G is GSM, 850/1900 (not cdma/evdo)
Rogers/Bell/Telus 3G (HSPA) 850/1900
Rogers/Bell/Telus LTE AWS (band 4)
Rogers/Bell LTE 2600 (band 7 - additional deployment in cities)
Rogers/Bell LTE 700 *NEW* (looks like probably band 17)

WIND 3G HSPA AWS (regional carrier in ontario).
Mobilicity ^^ (pending acquisition by Telus)

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My mistake you are right it is 2g gsm not cdma/evdo...I kinda mooshed them together there.
To reiterate...Prepaid from petro-can and 7-11 are the viable tourist option...and with specific carriers IF you are a long standing member some will carry cdma but it is being phased out.

Localized Regional Carriers are great ..so are the subsids...fido...koodo...virgin and the like ....they offer good deals...but are best if you stay put in their coverage area and don't roam.

Unlike the majority of countries....the sheer size of Canada really makes a soul question localized service. For example... those few (if any) possible future neo900 owners living in Manitoba or Saskatchewan it may be an option for MTS or Sasktel ...possibly even for a visiting tourist who is a neo900 user... passing through...but the relevance is questionable...I have relatives I visit in Manitoba...mom and sisters I visit back in Ontario and more relations out near Halifax on the east coast I see at least once a year...from Van Isle on the west coast to Halifax in a straight line it's 4 500 km ....for those of you from smaller countries...to put in perspective....that is at least ...60 hours of non stop driving ...which is lunacy by the way....being a commuting internal "tourist" I can't imagine I would ever make it to the other coast if I were dealing with localized regional carriers along the way...nor would I consider them a permanent option..even my own regional carriers aren't really an option...not if you travel. And for neo900 users from other countries traveling and vacationing through Canada......
I can't say I would be aiming at spotty localized regional coverage as an option if it were me.
Much as I hate to say it ...the big three here Rogers Bell and Telus...are the boys to go with...for consistent coverage..coast to coast...

And frankly consistent coverage is reaaallly relative even then...
For those not familiar with the Canadian landscape ...open your browser and type in gsm or lte coverage maps ...(by carrier or not)...of Canada....and you'll see that the coverage is hardly consistent throughout the country...it's ALOT of country...can't cover it all...only the populated areas really get the coverage....hell..I'm just under 25 miles from Vancouver (one of the largest cities in Canada)...hell I can see it!...clear line of sight across the water! and cell reception is spotty and cuts out...gotta go outside and go for a walk to get reception some times....It's the mountains and hills ....they do a number on reception regardless of how many cell towers there are around you. The country is vast...if you visit and want to go off the beaten path...don't expect coverage. That is one thing I personally do like...the ability to not be in constant available contact...perpetually connected.

Anyway....cdma is going out...but it is not quite yet of no consequence...gsm is solid...lte is becoming prominent.
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http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
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VERY useful external links:
http://www.4gamericas.org/index.cfm?...age&pageid=939 (LTE/4G global, weak assertion about 3G)
http://reboot.fcc.gov/reform/systems/spectrum-dashboard (the americas, lots of "tools")
http://www.handy-karten.de/mobilfunk...requenzen.html (very simple table of worldwide countries vs bands, german language but not a problem really)
http://www.lte-anbieter.info/lte-whitepapers.php collection of about cellular/LTE whitepapers, mostly english language

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks


According to
http://www.elektronik-kompendium.de/...om/1608181.htm
Um das Problem zu lösen, wird das 1800-MHz-Band die Rolle als LTE-Hauptfrequenzband einnehmen. In vielen Ländern ist das 1800-MHz-Band der breiteste für LTE verfügbare Frequenzblock. Das 1800-MHz-Band liegt optimalerweise zwischen niedrigeren Frequenzen, die zur Flächendeckung eingesetzt werden, und höheren Frequenzen, die zur Kapazitätserhöhung eingesetzt werden. Sie passen sehr gut zu einer Infrastruktur in Ballungsgebieten. Da die meisten Reisenden in Ballungsgebieten unterwegs sind, ist die Wahrscheinlichkeit sehr hoch, dass weltweites Roaming im 1800-MHz-Band möglich ist. Zumindest entwickelt sich das in diese Richtung.
Zwar ist bei 1800 MHz oft noch GSM in Betrieb. Doch das dürfte zu Gunsten von LTE immer weniger werden. Es ist davon auszugehen, dass mit der Zeit vom GSM-Spektrum immer mehr in Richtung LTE übergeben wird. GSM und LTE stören sich auch gegenseitig kaum, so dass sie sich in benachbarten Frequenzen ohne Schutzabstand betreiben lassen. Das sind optimale Voraussetzungen für einen Wechsel von GSM auf LTE.

Damit weltweites Roaming für LTE möglich wird muss ein LTE-Mobilfunkgerät noch weitere Frequenzen unterstützen. Zu den weiteren Hauptbändern zählen 700 MHz (USA), 800 MHz (Europa), 1700 MHz (USA) und 2600 MHz (Europa, Asien, Mittlerer Osten, Afrika, Lateinamerika). Damit ein LTE-Gerät weltweit eingesetzt werden kann, muss es in Zukunft für LTE in 700, 800, 1800 und 2600 MHz, für UMTS in 850, 900, 1900 und 2100 MHz und für GSM in 850, 900, 1800 und 1900 MHz funken können.
the last 2 lines list the frequencies a modem must support for worldwide roaming.
LTE: 700, 800, 1800, 2600 MHz
UMTS: 850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz
GSM (and voice): 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
The PHS8 (over)complies with the UMTS and GSM part.
LTE: the PLS8-E alas doesn't really comply with either LTE nor UMTS nor even GSM, so not a roaming solution (in USA odds are you can't even do phonecalls with this) but perfect for LTE in Europe. PLS8-US isn't capable of reasonable roaming either, but at least has all GSM bands for worldwide voice.
Ideally we should build a Neo900 with a PLS8-E, a PLS8-US and a PXS8, a 6 antennae and 3+ SIM slots with multiplexer to connect any modem to any SIM ;-)

Sorry for german language, a google-translate for sure is worth it since this article is very informative and accurate.
Many thanks to Walter B. for the awesome help once more.

/j

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"Ideally we should build a Neo900 with a PLS8-E, a PLS8-US and a PXS8, a 6 antennae and 3+ SIM slots with multiplexer to connect any modem to any SIM ;-)"

THAT sounds perfectly fine and reasonable to me....
seems like something I would have eventually suggested anyway...
glue 'em alll together and see what happens ...
label THAT model the neo900 Baeblephone

[sigh] Actually y'know I would want such a beast (if it could be done)....
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