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Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
Slight corrections, while not disputing it looks bad:
  • I'm not 'gone' any further than still pushing SailfishOS through contracting, which I also did for first many years of Jolla (and my last role was CTO, R&D fwiw.); where I switched to be a company for personal direction reasons, not because of the company.
  • "Chief software engineer" is a technical lead title in Jolla, which is not the only one. We are agile and swift around roles usually.
  • Soumya Bijjal was effectively Software Program Manager and Vesa-Matti Hartikainen has been that since quite a while now, and still is, not SDK. Soumya delivered a great software program. But doesn't mean that people cannot continue that role.
  • Marc Dillon hasn't been COO for a long while, more of an arbitrary "Head of Software".
  • Annika was Program Manager (of which we had a few of)
  • We have had a few Head of Business Development

It's more interesting to look at who's left in a tough financial situation to keep the boat afloat; and who didn't get laid off.

It's an insult to all us engineers (and some support functions), dare I say pioneering type of people who aren't laid off, who's been pushing hours, effort, sweat and a lot of tears since the start that we can't continue Jolla/SailfishOS when Jolla/SailfishOS is as much our effort and child as it is that of the founders. Sometimes the best thing founders can do is step aside and let people do what they're good at. In fact, for a very long while, we didn't even have internal marketing, all subcontracted. The power is in the networks around us.

We aren't all teary-eyed when founders leave, because the rest of us still have a mission and a job - but it does hurt us all when the company is in financial trouble, or we are having difficulties delivering our products and we have to scale down the company to survive tough seas and what we've built falling apart. Perhaps we should have scaled down even more longer ago.

Each of us have grown our area of expertise, including kickstarting other areas - and hired, interviewed most other people that are now temporarily laid off. Many of whom really haven't wanted to leave. We've been fighting like mad at every step of the road for Jolla - and why should we stop at slightest taste of failure? Failure makes you stronger.

The thing is - you learn from failure - else all humans would be crawling around on the floor instead of walking. Success has many fathers, failure is an orphan. Would you hire a person with a lot of success, with no failures, or somebody who has gotten even bigger success after a lot of failure?

It's a bad situation, sure, but not the end of the road right now for SailfishOS. How much the Jolla brand is tainted? That's a even bigger question. And how the organisation looks like after this situation and our ability to recruit.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.
I agree I took some liberty in describing the "role" of the guys in Jolla. Titles have indeed changed plenty of times. For example, Annikka has been until recently Chief Products Officer on LinkedIn.... But yes, I'm not on the inside, but the departures are obvious. And what I do know is the contribution to the mobile open source OS world of those guys leaving: Carsten, Valerio, Annikka, Marc, Stefano,...
 
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@Peter@Maemo Marketing You do realize who Carsten is, right?
 
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Originally Posted by nieldk View Post
@Peter@Maemo Marketing You do realize who Carsten is, right?
It's explained in the text, but yes, Peter and me know each other
 
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
It's explained in the text, but yes, Peter and me know each other
I know as much that Carsten is one of my heroes!

Peter
 
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You know each other,yeah. But what do you know of the tablet release?
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Originally Posted by nieldk View Post
@Peter@Maemo Marketing You do realize who Carsten is, right?
While we are guessing who knows what and whom...do you know who selected that logo you are seeing on the top left corner of this web page?
 
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Infinitely more important:


Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
It ain't over till the fat lady sings.
who the hell is this f*t lady???

Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing View Post
While we are guessing who knows what and whom...do you know who selected that logo you are seeing on the top left corner of this web page?
I'll try my luck : The community? :P

Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
What are the fins thinking? Put $500 millions of taxpayers money in Jolla right now!

We must try the tablet atleast
/Me Wants my tablet NOW!

About the departures : I agree with Stskeeps; people change, but products survive. Nokia has lived through twenty years of mobile history; and in there surely plenty of top-people came and went. I do not see why this should not be the case for Jolla. Key people are gone? So what, noone is irreplaceable on a technical level. The problem raises tho when you do not have the money to actually *pay* the replacement...
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
It's a bad situation, sure, but not the end of the road right now for SailfishOS. How much the Jolla brand is tainted? That's a even bigger question. And how the organisation looks like after this situation and our ability to recruit.
I agree totally - two issues at hand here.

The first is the SailfishOS. In the event of the worst case - how can it live on? I am glad that you have raised the issue and that it is front and centre in your mind. There is definitely something worth saving there and if the community is called upon, I think it might be able to help.

The second issue is Jolla the company and how damaged it has been by all this. Personally, it looks like irreparable damage to me. Suppliers have been burned, tablet buyers have been burned, employees have been burned, many customers who were fans of Sailfish, will simply no longer be able to trust Jolla the company. If Steve Lau (or whatever investor) was supposed to be investing last month - he certainly won't do so now that the company has been dragged through a sh1tstorm, lost piles of people and is now going through restructuring. With all the legacy of debt and bad feeling, Jolla (the company) isn't worth saving anymore.
 
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Originally Posted by tortoisedoc View Post
Infinitely more important:

who the hell is this f*t lady???
Wallküre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_ain...fat_lady_sings
 
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Any ladies at all left at Jolla? And if so, can they sing?
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