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	danramos	2011-10-06 , 04:42
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Will any of this run on a Nokia N800?

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	Stskeeps	2011-10-06 , 04:46
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Originally Posted by danramos

Will any of this run on a Nokia N800?

Already runs on N810:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AEKIXVeBGY

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	danramos	2011-10-06 , 04:59
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps

Already runs on N810:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AEKIXVeBGY

Has it been running on an N800, though? I seem to recall that things weren't 100% compatible for a while between the two when Mer and MeeGo were being worked on--at least at the beginning when I was watching it more closely--which is specifically the reason why I'm asking.

The video is great to watch--booting, but how usable is it?

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	Stskeeps	2011-10-06 , 05:33
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Originally Posted by danramos

Has it been running on an N800, though? I seem to recall that things weren't 100% compatible for a while between the two when Mer and MeeGo were being worked on--at least at the beginning when I was watching it more closely--which is specifically the reason why I'm asking.

The video is great to watch--booting, but how usable is it?

Not very, but at least it boots.

It's just a core, you'd have to get a user interface on top yourself - or take one that exists around.

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	w00t	2011-10-06 , 06:36
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps

Not very, but at least it boots.

Has anyone looked into that X fix you mentioned might help wrt usability?

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abill_uk	2011-10-06 , 07:04
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Originally Posted by w00t

Limited to whatever people want to put it on. MeeGo Handset CE is already rebasing on top of it, so that's N900/N950/N9, I guess someone will have a generic x86 adaptation pretty soon if there isn't one already (it should be doable by picking up the pieces from MeeGo itself)...

It's probably also possible to get it booting on a larger range of devices, since Mer (unlike MeeGo) is building for a much wider range of architectures, not just armv7

From what you have said i still do not understand how it will be available for "whatever people want to put it on".

For meego to be usable on any device it must have all the needed hardware drivers of that particular device so i just dont get it right now because the meego.ce was nothing more than a very basic ui with hardly any use on the N900.

Meego as as OS is what is on the N9 and as an example for any adaptation for a particular device it includes all the drivers for the N9's hardware.

It is all well and good talking about meego but unless it takes care of and drives all components in whatever device it is to be installed on, it is of no use whatsoever.

Hence why todate it just does not work for the N900.

My question is ... WHAT device is this going to be developed for?.

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	w00t	2011-10-06 , 07:32
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Originally Posted by abill_uk

From what you have said i still do not understand how it will be available for "whatever people want to put it on".

Okay, so let's say I'm a device hacker. I have $mysterious_device. I want to get rid of $crappy_os and put something nice, open, and hackable on there. I take Mer, I create a "hardware adaptation" repository for $mysterious_device, then I create an image pulling in both Mer and packages for hardware adaptation, and if all goes well, I have an image that will boot, start a display, and not do much else.

I decide that having a black screen is all very interesting but I'd actually like to put something on it, so then I go pick a UX project (MeeGo CE or Plasma Active or Cordia or something else), and drop them into my image building configuration, build a new image, if all goes well - when I install it - I have an image that boots to display and then starts that UX.

That is: by "everyone", it's "everyone who is a device hacker or hardware vendor" - people who aren't will be relying on these people to build them images, or have to learn to do so themselves.

(Getting the picture a bit more now?)

Originally Posted by abill_uk

For meego to be usable on any device it must have all the needed hardware drivers of that particular device so i just dont get it right now because the meego.ce was nothing more than a very basic ui with hardly any use on the N900.

You're confusing a few different things here, one is the UI (CE) with the device adaptation. They're seperate things for us, although in MeeGo they were combined (which wasn't such a great thing for various reasons).

Have you tried CE 1.3 by the way? It's still pretty basic, of course - but things are improving: see also things like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78531

Originally Posted by abill_uk

Hence why todate it just does not work for the N900.

What (in CE) doesn't work on the n900? Camera, SMS, calling, and other basics work out of the box, AFAIK, and if they don't, that's a bug and needs fixing.

Originally Posted by abill_uk

My question is ... WHAT device is this going to be developed for?.

Mer has no specific device target. It's a reusable core for hackers to put on any device they want. So far, with various device adaptations, it's already running on generic x86 (things like the ideapad and exopc), n900, n950, n9. It also boots on the n810.

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	nicolai	2011-10-06 , 07:56
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Originally Posted by w00t

Okay, so let's say I'm a device hacker. I have $mysterious_device. I want to get rid of $crappy_os and put something nice, open, and hackable on there. I take Mer, I create a "hardware adaptation" repository for $mysterious_device, then I create an image pulling in both Mer and packages for hardware adaptation, and if all goes well, I have an image that will boot, start a display, and not do much else.

So, what would make me a device hacker?
And what is the hardware adaption part. Can
I (or any N9(50) owner) use the mer core, already?
I followed the meego ce wiki page, but I could find
the mentioned bootloader (moslo) for booting th N950
meego ce image.

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	w00t	2011-10-06 , 08:08
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Originally Posted by nicolai

So, what would make me a device hacker?

You'd have to be someone wanting to work on hardware adaptation, i.e. kernel, drivers, getting it actually booting..

Originally Posted by nicolai

And what is the hardware adaption part.

I'm not the best person to answer this, so I'll let Stskeeps or someone else take it.

Originally Posted by nicolai

Can I (or any N9(50) owner) use the mer core, already?

MeeGo CE has already booted on top of Mer. Repositories and so on for device adaptations will be coming soon I guess - give people a chance to work things out. N9/N950 support is waiting on MOSLO from Nokia at the moment, hopefully coming real soon now™ (or someone may have to find a way around it ...)