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#2431
how have I never heard of this host? (probably because ..I'm on an island at the edge of civilization and the known world...maybe...)
I have to watch this guy now...
funny, educating and illuminating...
all in every single sentence...
the guy is terrific at delivering disturbing news with comforting hilarity.

Hmmm...yea..the patriot act ...that alone...
the timing though is perfect for the neo ..
this is a gift from the gods..er..snowden...um secret services everywhere?
This whole program ...so far...(still watching)...
just further states the case of pervasive media fear-mongering concerning surveillance alone...
this should be harnessed as a selling point for the neo ...
to safeguard the privacy of american "junk" everywhere...
it's low-hanging fruit ready to be plucked....so to speak
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1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's , 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 has loose usb ( considering it for parts), 1 has no telephony (perfect for permanent set-up as mini-pc with one of my monitors))
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. Awaiting refund process.
3-nexus 5's : 1 with ̶L̶i̶n̶e̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶O̶r̶e̶o̶ ̶8.̶1̶ P̷l̷a̷s̷m̷a̷ ̷M̷o̷b̷i̷l̷e̷ Lineage oreo 8.1 (intend maemo leste when ready) , 1 with ̶U̶b̶u̶n̶t̶u̶ ̶T̶o̶u̶c̶h̶ Bliss OS, 1 with ̶P̶l̶a̶s̶m̶a̶ ̶M̶o̶b̶i̶l̶e̶ Maru OS


PIMP MY N8X0
Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325

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#2432
So... when is the Neo900 going to be released...

After the apocalypse?....
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#2433
dear endo pls make your posts consise also your english is a bit diffrently styled that makes it hard for some to follow up
 

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#2434
ah...sorry there nokiabot...
yea those 2 posts were thick...
some of my thorough explanation unfortunately get a little thick...
and that last one was posting whilst watching that snowden interview.....clean the "vague" edges there.
What nokiabot don't like the writing method?
It's perfect for mobile devices...
I call it endsoku...
my version of haiku .

What may be most confusing are the Shakespearean-esque "asides"...I usually put in brackets


good interview...yea...an audience that doesn't get the pitch....
but when a common understanding...a common fear..
which for the american people happens to be the gov't collecting "dik pix" well...then they are completely understanding and attentive...
all about the angle of approach and pitch.
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Owner of :
1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's , 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 has loose usb ( considering it for parts), 1 has no telephony (perfect for permanent set-up as mini-pc with one of my monitors))
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. Awaiting refund process.
3-nexus 5's : 1 with ̶L̶i̶n̶e̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶O̶r̶e̶o̶ ̶8.̶1̶ P̷l̷a̷s̷m̷a̷ ̷M̷o̷b̷i̷l̷e̷ Lineage oreo 8.1 (intend maemo leste when ready) , 1 with ̶U̶b̶u̶n̶t̶u̶ ̶T̶o̶u̶c̶h̶ Bliss OS, 1 with ̶P̶l̶a̶s̶m̶a̶ ̶M̶o̶b̶i̶l̶e̶ Maru OS


PIMP MY N8X0
Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325

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#2435
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
Being re-active never helped anyone..
It doesn't take control of the sitch.
It's just "responding" to it.
Being pro-active will help.
I would really be happy to be more "active" than "reactive", as endsormeans tries to encourage us, but my skills in kernel developpment and electronics are insufficient to actively help and speed up things in these fields.
So, the only things I can bring are, like many of us, analysis and ideas.
- To bring accurate analysis, we need more informations. The cost didn't doubled from one day to the next, and being informed just now it's a fact doesn't allow to be proactive on anything. I think that's what sulu called "lack of transparency" : people have to actively search informations and constantly watch the project to have an idea on how it evolves.
- To bring ideas, I'm ok, but one idea I submited (monthes ago) is still unanswered. It let me figure that Neo900UG doesn't have enough time to evaluate these kind of ideas, so I shouldn't waste energy to propose them. Sad, because this one could have involved some skilled actors and new donators interrested by such a project.

So, the best way to help I've considered until now is to put money aside, make a donation and pry something affordable will come out of this project.
If I'm wrong, just tell here how we could help, and I'm sure there will be volunteers.

Sorry for the disillusioned tone.
 

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#2436
@endsormeans, tucked away neatly in your carving workshop, you do not have much experience with governments and corporations, do you?

I can just see it: government or large corp officials banging on the door of a small team of 2.5, developing a niche device in their spare time, with no clear plans or a roadmap, with 4+ years outdated components, incompatible with anything else, running hoping that maybe some day it will run a derivate of an OS that said officials consider highly suspicious... Oh yeah baby!

That is not how it works. Have a product ready, with a proven track record, that you can just take off the shelf and sell in tens of thousands, then they might take a smidgen of a notice. Until then, you can dream.
 

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Originally Posted by Bearserker View Post
- To bring ideas, I'm ok, but one idea I submited (monthes ago) is still unanswered. It let me figure that Neo900UG doesn't have enough time to evaluate these kind of ideas, so I shouldn't waste energy to propose them. Sad, because this one could have involved some skilled actors and new donators interrested by such a project.
OpenBSD had a reason for being famous 15-20 years ago when security sucked, also in Linux. Things have changed, and a default installation of a minimal debian (which loosely corresponds to a default installation of openbsd) is (give or take) just as secure.

OpenBSD is about the core system. With it you have nothing to work with on a "phone" (or a mobile computer with telephone capabilities). So yes, it might be possible at some point to run OpenBSD, or even OS/2, but you cannot reasonably be asking Jörg to take care of this.

Let's hope we get a working Neo900 with *anything* running on it, be it Maemo or Debian (which are the likely candidates). THEN we can talk OpenBSD.
 

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#2438
I let you explain openBSD guys why their constant code audit is useless.
And I'm not so definitive about linux's security : if I want a very secured mobile device, I would tend to trust peoples who make security their first concern more than the others.
Today, I don't know well the security level of a minimal debian installation... But on last September, wasn't bash the default shell of debian ?

Anyway, I think you miss the point (and I would be happy this discussion took place on the other topic 5 monthes ago).
I'm not saying "Making OpenBSD run on Neo900 should be a priority"
But "Do you think OpenBSD could run on Neo900 ? OpenBSD community may be happy to be aware an open phone oriented toward security and privacy is about to exist... Furthermore if it's open enough to let them a chance to make their OS run on it"

If this project interests many communities (especially security focused ones), far more peoples could contribute and donate.
From now, I almost didn't heard of Neo900 elsewhere than on this forum. It make me think we probably miss a wide number of potential contributors.
 

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Originally Posted by Bearserker View Post
I let you explain openBSD guys why their constant code audit is useless.
Nah. Was just being a bit provocative

The thing is: the only thing Jörg & co. could do would be to approach OpenBSD (post in mailing list or forum, etc.) and do some PR. I think they have enough to do with what they have to do.

BUT! Nothing stops *you* from doing that!

As an additional comment, I'd be careful with making any security claims about the Neo900 (or any hardware). There *is* one big security-related advantage, and that is the fact that the CPU (software) can sandbox the SIM. This cannot be underestimated. It is a BIG THING.

... nevertheless too low-level. It's not like OpenBSD or most OSs have even a concept of what a SIM card is (in the context of the OS). So from the software point of view there's no security advantage (or selling point).

So it's not like anyone will go and say "hey, my SIM is sandboxed, I can now disable my firewall"

So the only "selling point" would be the vague, fuzzy, idea of having something related to "security" in common. This of course may trigger some interest in security-minded people, but the problem with the Neo900 is that you have to want it no-matter-what. I don't think marketing will do anything for this project. Either you wanted the Neo900 before it was even conceived as a plan, or you didn't. If you did and you got the bucks you'll buy it (and I will).

People who didn't dream of this like 3-4 years ago are unlikely to be interested in it.
They will root/mod their android S[N+1] crap and pretend they have made a conscious, balanced, choice and that they're "secure enough" and "private enough". After all, most don't even know what's fu^H^Hhitting them left and right all the time. And those who know have learned to live with it.

So no, I don't expect masses of people joining the Neo900 ranks at this stage. Not even from oh-so-security-minded OpenBSD people.

But that's just my opinion. Hopefully I'm wrong.
 

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#2440
Originally Posted by wpwrak View Post
Keeping your family safe from real and imaginary threats for sure is a noble goal, but what really worries the man on the street is something else:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M
Wow! An interview with Snowden culminating in a discussion about Oliver's junk - of 33 centimet... err... minutes length.
 

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