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2011-06-16 , 18:15
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Lol 92k devices for free
money for nothing and chicks for free.
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2011-06-16 , 18:20
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Originally Posted by momcilo View Post
Not entirely true, 95% of drivers are open source.
where are you getting this figure from?
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2011-06-16 , 18:27
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Originally Posted by cfh11 View Post
where are you getting this figure from?
I made a mistake, I don't count Window$ as OS, at least that I use.

Linux kernel source I guess?
Perhaps lsmod?

I've got one closed source driver in my machine - nvidia (and hope to replace it with nouveau).

All the remaining hardware has open source drivers. What about you?
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2011-06-16 , 18:36
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i'd say linuxdrivers are not from hardwaremanufactor its community work.
There are only few companies like intel that really provide open source drivers.
 

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2011-06-16 , 18:42
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I'm willing to pay for the device, why should it be free? But it's not so interesting to sign up for paid developer subscription (it seems like it's free for a year only).

Regarding "disruptive" part - if it's so disruptive and patented - big chances drivers for that will also be closed.
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Originally Posted by momcilo View Post
Well Nokia did choose those vendors. You know there are hardware vendors that have open source drivers. Altough GFX is a no-win situation at the moment, until open source alternative becomes available.
Show me any company that has fully open GFX drivers and is optimized for handset and usable. (That means not Intel)
 

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2011-06-16 , 18:54
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Originally Posted by momcilo View Post
I made a mistake, I don't count Window$ as OS, at least that I use.

Linux kernel source I guess?
Perhaps lsmod?

I've got one closed source driver in my machine - nvidia (and hope to replace it with nouveau).

All the remaining hardware has open source drivers. What about you?
Wifi drivers is also a problem on PC. Intel is the only I know who has fully open wifidrivers.

and about the Nvidia or ATI open driver I dont expect those opendrivers to be that good as the closed once.

Mainly because trhe manufactors will never release full technical reference manuals etc...

But personally I dont give a **** if the manufactors doesnt opensource everything. Its more important to make them to understand they should MUST support Linux on desktop and on handset./tablets etc. even if they decide to have some binary blobs.

as long as they support Linux and X11/Wayland its good enought to me. Its another story with apps they should be open :-)
 

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2011-06-16 , 18:57
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Originally Posted by shmerl View Post
I'm willing to pay for the device, why should it be free? But it's not so interesting to sign up for paid developer subscription (it seems like it's free for a year only).

Regarding "disruptive" part - if it's so disruptive and patented - big chances drivers for that will also be closed.
IF people here signs up without being a developer or contribute in some way to the Meego/Qt they really are desperate imho...

If people want new device "for free", start contribute to Meego900CE as start ;-)
 

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2011-06-16 , 19:02
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Originally Posted by N9Us View Post
i'd say linuxdrivers are not from hardwaremanufactor its community work.
There are only few companies like intel that really provide open source drivers.
Many manufactorors are far more open than providing open source drivers, they open interface specification. This allows community to develop drivers.
How about IBM?
Sony (well I don't count closing of device itself)?
AMD?
The list is extensive, I don't plan on grepping the whole linux source code to prove it.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
Show me any company that has fully open GFX drivers and is optimized for handset and usable. (That means not Intel)
True: 0, zero, none, null, nil.
I've commented before on this.

This thread is about latest devices. A part of anticipation is if nokia is going to pin us down with drivers to their distribution, so this is no off-topic.

Please, let's focus on finding out which parts are closed-sourced in the new devices?

So far we suspect:
- wifi
- gfx (already covered by many before, no new light there)
- modem
- bme
- disrupting-our-next-sense

Any other clues?
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here is the 720p screen

http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/15/exclus...e-android-4-0/
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