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Redhat could also decide that their about 10.000 lines of code writed to Linux kernel are retired from it, but it's not probable.

Telegram founder is a person that have donated 1 millon dolars to Wikimedia foundation at 2011 (when he turned 27 years old). Maybe he have evil plans for Telegram, but I don't think so. He talked in an interview about financing Telegram servers with donations and/or premium contents for Telegram.

If you get all people to your jabber server it will be ok for me. While you don't get it, I'd like to be in contact to my friends with a not perfect but better system. I prefer unprobable risks to actual problems.

did you ever read telegram protocol and api?

No but the info is on their web. Which is the problem?

This guy is an entrepreneur who appears to have made his millions from social networks. Social networks normally make their money by exploiting user data. With Big Data analytics nothing ever gets deleted. You'd be foolish to assume that they are not storing every single message that passes through the Telegram servers. That data will become very valuable (if not already) but I guess we all have different interpretations of what constitutes as being trustworthy.

I only see you don't know who Pavel Durov is. You only see "*** **** blah-blah *** SOCIAL NETWORK..." aha!
you dont ever know anything about telegram protocol, but discussing it
strange peoples around me

I'll admit I don't know a lot about him but I do not only see "*** **** blah-blah *** SOCIAL NETWORK...". There is nothing wrong with social networks when they are done right (i.e. open and distributed where the user has 100% control of their data) but as far as I can tell, his one doesn't fall into that category.

The point I am trying to make is that the data passes through a centralised server. The Telegram protocol is irrelevant to that argument as it does not disclose anything about the back-end and even if it did, you don't know what's actually running on the server.

just Pavel never sell/open data centers for NSA/whatever. thats a difference between Facebook/vk and between whatsapp/telegram

Maybe he won't sell data to any government agencies but that still doesn't deter from the fact that he owns, controls and holds the destiny of your data, not you.

Even if he was the most honest guy in the world, his centralised servers would become a target for government agencies so your data would never be safe.

about telegram: your data on cloud datacenters (and its not just one datacenter are heavily encrypted. and with physical access to disk drives you cant read anybody conversations. only you can reand your conversations, untill you not telling your password to everybody

and i'm stopping answering in this thread, because i see many peoples are paranoid and dont ever try to read. all new encypted protocols = evil. datacenters = evil. OTR and XMPP are god bless.