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Many people are STILL waiting for the (real) successor of the Nokia N900. But other devices are also in the make that might be interested for people whit a lower budget (and even getting a higher specs device).


Pros Neo N900:
  • - Uses Hildon (correct me if I'm wrong)
  • - Uses (almost) the same N900 housing
  • - Resistive touchscreen
  • - QWERTY keyboard
  • - 4G
  • - Open source
  • - It's designed to work as a phone.
  • - Unique modem sandbox gives the user (and only the user!) full control of the device and maximum possible privacy.
Cons Neo 900:
  • - Not so affordable
  • - Low specs for it's time

Pros Pyra:
  • - Much bigger screen (720p 5" LCD)
  • - Resistive touchscreen
  • - Better CPU
  • Texas Instruments OMAP 5 SoC
    2x ARM Cortex-A15 @ 1.5Ghz with NEON SIMD
    2x ARM Cortex-M4
  • - Better GPU
    PowerVR™ SGX544-MP2
    Vivante GC320 2D Accelerator
  • - More Ram
    2GB RAM
  • - HDMI Video Out
  • - Dual video output (You can connect HDMI and show something else on the TV screen while you see something else on your device)
  • - Various sensors (like gyro-sensor, etc.)
  • - Huge battery for a long battery life (6000mAh)
  • - Gaming controls (who doesn't like gaming!? )
    DPad, 4 shoulder buttons, 6 face buttons
    Two accurate analog controls with push-button
  • - Glass effect QWERTY keyboard with backlight
  • - Integrated Wi-Fi 802.11a/b/g/n and Bluetooth 4.0*
  • - Dual (!) SDXC card slots
  • - 2x Full-size USB Host (one can be used as eSATA-with a small adaptor),
  • - 1x Micro USB 3.0
  • - 1x Micro USB (Debug and Charging)
  • - Fully configurable RGB-LEDs for notifications
  • - 3G/4G/UMTS and GPS module
  • - Affordable price
  • - Open Source
  • - Fully Desktop environment experience
Cons Pyra:
  • - It might be a bit bulky
    Clamshell design (like the Nintendo DS/3DS)
  • - It might not replace your phone.

Some pics of the Pyra:



Renders:






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSVM7n9yZaU



I guess that sums it up for now

The Pyra is already in prototype phase, so it wont be long until it will be sold for everybody

Here is a nice quick video where the Pyra is visible in early prototype:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmeOIYr4yjM

Website Neo900:
http://www.neo900.org

Website Pyra:
http://www.pyra-handheld.com
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Originally Posted by HtheB View Post
Cons Pyra:
  • - It might be a bit bulky
It might be indeed . . .

I so very, very, very, much want a device to follow my N900. I look at the Neo900, which is an amazing effort from that team, but also so unfortunately behind the state of the art. (And so expensive. . . . Not that I wouldn't buy one if I didn't have to sell one of the kids to do so. I'd spend it if I could, but I just can't. Really, I would.)

So I look at the Pyra. Wow. Again, such an amazing effort, but unless my eyes and sense of scale deceive me, so very, very, big. Especially the thickness dimension. The N900 with an Otterbox was big enough to wear a hole in my jeans pocket -- this looks considerably thicker.

Don't get me wrong: I'm amazed (impressed, astounded, flabbergasted) by the work these teams have done. But sadly, our community of consumers of a N900 successor just doesn't seem to attract the attention of manufacturer with the deep pockets to fund a design team that can create a state-of-the-art 2015 device at a price point I can justify. That stuff's expensive to do -- I understand.

Again, no one should interpret this as a disparagement of the Neo900 or Pyra teams' work. I'm nothing but impressed. I'm just selfishly disappointed in the (market-wise) small number of potential consumers for such a product that I so badly desire.

And one more time: kudos to the Pyra team! If I can find suitable pants for your product, I may buy one yet. (And Neo900 guys, if those pants have $1000 in the pockets, I'll get one of yours, too.)
 

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i really like the pyra but i ll never buy one as the keyboard layout or rather those ugly nubs gets me on my nerves.
and
no pryra and neo900 are diffrent type of devices built for entirely diffrent purposes , also little similarities in two diffrent devices does not make them same.

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Originally Posted by nokiabot View Post
i really like the praya but i ll never buy one as the keyboard layout or rather those ugly nubs gets me on my nerves.
and
no praya and neo900 are diffrent type of devices built for entirely diffrent purposes , also little similarities in two diffrent devices does not make them same.
What about the Pyra?
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What about the Pyra?
i am nuts over how to pronounce it
pls do me a favour digitize your voice speaking it and upload it here
 

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I've got a Pandora and am keeping a close eye on the development of the Pyra which looks fantastic, but I'm not sure I'd use it as a phone...
 

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I really like the Pyra too. As with the mobile phone industry, I've been very disillusioned by the gaming industry in the last few years and the direction it continues to head in. The Pyra is a breath of fresh air. Basically it's the ultimate gaming handheld device. If I had a full time job I'd pre-order one in an instant. As I don't, I'm sticking with the Neo900 for now.

A few important points to add to your list including critically, why I don't think the Pyra can be called an N900 successor:

Neo900 pros:
  • It's designed to work as a phone.
  • Unique modem sandbox gives the user (and only the user!) full control of the device and maximum possible privacy.
  • The possibility of a mass produced "STEP2" successor with decent specs.

Pyra cons:
  • Don't expect it to replace your phone.
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Originally Posted by nokiabot View Post
i am nuts over how to pronounce it
pls do me a favour digitize your voice speaking it and upload it here
I'm taking about the spelling

Edit: I've seen now that you've edited your post... But even after your edit, it's still hard to believe that you couldn't spell Pyra...

Originally Posted by wicket View Post
I really like the Pyra too. As with the mobile phone industry, I've been very disillusioned by the gaming industry in the last few years and the direction it continues to head in. The Pyra is a breath of fresh air. Basically it's the ultimate gaming handheld device. If I had a full time job I'd pre-order one in an instant. As I don't, I'm sticking with the Neo900 for now.

A few important points to add to your list including critically, why I don't think the Pyra can be called an N900 successor:

Neo900 pros:
  • It's designed to work as a phone.
  • Unique modem sandbox gives the user (and only the user!) full control of the device and maximum possible privacy.
  • The possibility of a mass produced "STEP2" successor with decent specs.

Pyra cons:
  • Don't expect it to replace your phone.

I've added your points.
But I didn't get about the STEP2 thing. Can you explain a bit more?
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I've added your points.
But I didn't get about the STEP2 thing. Can you explain a bit more?
STEP2 is the anticipated successor to the Neo900. From what I remember, if the Neo900 is successful (success defined by devices shipping to the few hundred project backers), it should be a lot easier to find investors or launch a successful crowd funding campaign which will allow them to make a device with modern specs that can be mass produced.

I thought there was a dedicated thread for STEP2 but I couldn't find it but here's some info about it from the main Neo900 thread:

https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.ph...02#post1444602
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Originally Posted by HtheB View Post
Pros Neo N900:
  • - Resistive touchscreen
Yesssss!

Originally Posted by HtheB View Post
Cons Neo 900:
  • - Not so affordable
  • - Low specs for it's time
Not to forget,
  • - It doesn't exist (yet)

Originally Posted by HtheB View Post
Pros Pyra:
  • - Resistive touchscreen


Originally Posted by HtheB View Post
Cons Pyra:
  • - It might be a bit bulky
    Clamshell design (like the Nintendo DS/3DS)
Bulky, perhaps. But since when is a clamshell design a con?
 

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