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Originally Posted by TimusEravan View Post
Is this Nokia speaking or MS?

Nokia: 'Our first priority is beating Android'
Ballmer, throwing a chair: 'Bing will destroy Google as we know it'.

Why don't they aim at iOS btw?
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
Why don't they aim at iOS btw?
Simple. If they destroy Apple who are they going to copy from?
 
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
Ballmer, throwing a chair: 'Bing will destroy Google as we know it'.

Why don't they aim at iOS btw?
Why would they? Actually they are in addition when they are aiming at Android. Pretty obvious huh? Nokia doesn´t make _only_ high end devices. Their main bread&butter are cheap cellphones..remember that!
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Helsinki Stock Exchange just opened (20mins ago)...and we are going down..haha :| Fck idiots.
True, -3%, worst in 'most active'. Link of Nordic Nasdaq... and, real-time NOK link.

PJ from Groklaw seems to also write in Groklaw news about this partnership, but afaik no analysis or info gathering as of yet.
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
True, -3%, worst in 'most active'. Link of Nordic Nasdaq... and, real-time NOK link.

PJ from Groklaw seems to also write in Groklaw news about this partnership, but afaik no analysis or info gathering as of yet.
Just have QA session with Elop so we can get another ~14% dive. I would say that even that this guy has quite good acting skills it doesn´t fool people who are able to analyze and get information fast across Internet.
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Originally Posted by maverick788us View Post
It is a matured OS compared to Android.
Maemo/Meego is so mature that it has been deployed on how many generations, iterations, and models of phones? And not from a company that focuses on a single product line, but from a company that spawns what seems like dozens and dozens of new product lines per week?

Maemo/Meego should have been what Android became. You know why it didn't? Because Google took Android seriously, and Nokia didn't take Maemo seriously. They weren't aggressive about it, they didn't make it top priority, they didn't capture and retain their initial momentum. Instead, they treated it like a bastard step-child.

And, now, Nokia will just be another one of MS's b*tches. But, that's about all they had left, a choice between being Google's b*tch, or MS's b*tch. They pretty much admitted it with the statement from a few days before the MS announcement: either build a new ecosystem from scratch (which they haven't been able to do) or join someone else's (which means Android or Window-Mobile, since they can't join Apple's).

They wouldn't be in this situation, if they had been aggressive about Maemo from day one. Or, even if they hadn't realized it with the 770, and started to be aggressive with the N800. Instead, we saw years of floundering, aimlessness, and other people (like Cisco) doing more to promote the new platform than Nokia did.

That doesn't mean there weren't some people at Nokia who took it seriously. Some people really did. I mean at the company-wide level. And definitely it wasn't done aggressively. If there's one word I would use to describe Nokia's handling of it, it's "inertia". Which is, actually, the same problem MS has: inability to overcome their own inertia. And that's who Nokia picked to join forces with. Someone with even more inertia than they have themselves.

Of all of the choices Nokia could have made, I predict this will be one of the nails in the coffin, not one the moments of salvation. I predict Nokia will end up like SGI ... enough legacy inertia to keep hanging on, by thinner and thinner threads, for a while (maybe, just like SGI, a long while) ... but just like SGI, jumping on the MS ship will be the moment everyone looks back at, and says: that was the point of no return.
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Originally Posted by zwer View Post
On the same hardware - no way. No matter how good VM you build, no matter how optimized its JIT pathways are, you can't beat native execution.
Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
..and you can't beat ASM.
This is completely off-topic, but the theoretical upper limit of speed for JIT execution is faster than static native code, including ASM, due to context-dependent continuous optimisation.

We're not there yet but it is just a matter of implementation.

The Dalvik VM on Android doesn't attempt to get the fastest theoretically possible execution speed because that's not its focus.
 

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Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
Ballmer, throwing a chair: 'Bing will destroy Google as we know it'.

Why don't they aim at iOS btw?
Because despite Apple's theatrics they are really quite friendly. In fact it was MS who saved Apple from bankruptcy around the time Jobs took over.
 

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Originally Posted by lma View Post
In fact it was MS who saved Apple from bankruptcy around the time Jobs took over.
They didn't do it for altruistic reasons:
  • They were being sued by Apple and it was part of the settlement.
  • Plus they were being investigated by the DoJ and by keeping Apple alive they could argue that there is "thriving" competition in the desktop OS market where MS has only 97% market share and Apple has a whopping 3% or so.
  • Plus if Apple went under where is MS's "innovation" going to come from?
 

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