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2016-03-15
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#252
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Originally Posted by gerbick
You managed to run linux on RT??? Don't believe you need any drivers for normie win working and doubt javispedro meant that.
I'm typing to you via a Surface Pro 4. Never had to download one driver for it, the Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, Surface 2 RT, nor Surface Pro or Surface RT. Yes... I have owned all of those at one time or another.
But if you guys think you had it hard:
The new generation is screwed even worse
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2016-03-15
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Originally Posted by gerbick
On Android? :P
Guess you've never had any problems with wireless chipsets and the like. Lucky you. Folks here complain about that ad nauseum.
Works pretty well for literally a _majority of the world population_.
Originally Posted by gerbick
So you've never reinstalled Windows on it.
I'm typing to you via a Surface Pro 4. Never had to download one driver for it, the Surface Pro 3, Surface Pro 2, Surface 2 RT, nor Surface Pro or Surface RT. Yes... I have owned all of those at one time or another.
And don't say Windows Update, since you can't even get online with the stock Windows.
This discussion is almost a decade outdated. MS has lost it. It took me a while to realize it, too. They can't even get their own hardware, with their own drivers and their own operating system to work reliably these days. See Surface Pro 4 stories for a start.
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2016-03-15
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#254
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Originally Posted by theonelaw
I do like toughbooks and they are getting more tablets that are linux compatible. Perhaps looked at rugged devices might be a way to go as they usually have removable batteries, are designed to last and have legacy ports. I just noticed the Amrel DB7 which is probably expensive but might be worth it for some (especially if bought used).
http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php...1&d=1458011213
As for panasonic toughbook,..It was a very nice machine, very linux compatible, but far too expensive to consider
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2016-03-15
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Originally Posted by szopin
Not really. What I'm trying to show is that the difference is between the _preinstalled_ image and whatever you put on it.
You managed to run linux on RT??? Don't believe you need any drivers for normie win working and doubt javispedro meant that.
I am yet to see a operating system _for embedded/mobile devices_ that doesn't have this problem.
The embedded/mobile world is hard and there's no way around it. Almost every device uses its own crappy non-standard stuff. This applies both to phones (almost all of it is non-standard), UMPCs like the Vaio UX (tracking stick! touchscreen! card reader!), and the Surface series (strange Wi-Fi chipset, strange Ethernet chipset, strange input devices, ...).
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2016-03-15
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Originally Posted by javispedro
Still don't get it, you had to fish for drivers for normal windows on surface? I would understand it being tricky to run linux on it, but what exactly? You tried to put win7 on it, or 8(.1) if it was 10 by default? Or for external devices?
Not really. What I'm trying to show is that the difference is between the _preinstalled_ image and whatever you put on it.
I am yet to see a operating system _for embedded/mobile devices_ that doesn't have this problem.
The embedded/mobile world is hard and there's no way around it. Almost every device uses its own crappy non-standard stuff. This applies both to phones (almost all of it is non-standard), UMPCs like the Vaio UX (tracking stick! touchscreen! card reader!), and the Surface series (strange Wi-Fi chipset, strange Ethernet chipset, strange input devices, ...).
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2016-03-15
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Originally Posted by javispedro
Quite wrong.
So you've never reinstalled Windows on it.
Wiped the Surface Pro 3 clean, downloaded the ISO via the Windows USB/DVD download tool. First flashed it with Windows 10 Beta (which sucked) but then reinstalled Windows 8.1. Only thing that gave me heck was the Surface Pen, but that was a simple update of the drivers via Computer Management (Local)/Device Manager via the MMC (added my own snap-ins). No issues with the wireless drivers or anything of the such.
And don't say Windows Update, since you can't even get online with the stock Windows.
Again. I've been there, done this. Did not have to download anything once I got the proper version of the EN-US Win10 x86-64 ISO and Win8.1 x86-64 ISO's downloaded and ready to be flashed.
This discussion is almost a decade outdated.
MS has lost it. It took me a while to realize it, too.
See Surface Pro 4 stories for a start.
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2016-03-15
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Originally Posted by szopin
I can actually probably answer this one. Where JavisPedro and I disagree is that once you install - however you wish - Windows onto a Microsoft Surface, you might encounter the need to download drivers (they're zipped up) and install them in order to make some components (such as wi-fi) work. That's his grievance.
Still don't get it, you had to fish for drivers for normal windows on surface? I would understand it being tricky to run linux on it, but what exactly? You tried to put win7 on it, or 8(.1) if it was 10 by default? Or for external devices?
Not that he installed Linux on a Surface (Pro or RT or otherwise) but that he wiped the OS and reinstalled Microsoft Windows onto a Microsoft device and it did not work as expected without having to track down drivers. You'd think that a MS device would work out of the box with a clean MS Windows install.
I say it's possible, he's apparently encountered issues. Two sides of the proverbial coin basically. He can point to stories that support his point as well as I could. In the end, we probably represent the range of user experience in just that one regard (out of many).
If I've missed any points, I'm quite sure that he can explain it better than I can. Hope this post helps clear the air as opposed to continue to confuse.
And I'm well aware we are very OT...
Last edited by gerbick; 2016-03-15 at 22:43. Reason: Added *.zip link as part of discussion
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2016-03-15
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#260
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Originally Posted by pichlo
That's the question I ask myself when I walk into Carphone Warehouse or some one trying to force me upgrade my phone contract.
How does one use that thing? It has no keyboard!
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