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2016-12-21
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Originally Posted by mosen
I recon the problem is in the step of "make hydrogen from water" step. The Hydrogen won't come off that easy and it's certain that this process will cost more energy than the energy released when 2H atom combine with Oxygen and form water. It is thermally very "costly" to break the 2 strong hydrogen bond in water. For example electrolysis...
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2016-12-21
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Originally Posted by chenliangchen
That is what you see exactly in the video link above.
I recon the problem is in the step of "make hydrogen from water" step. The Hydrogen won't come off that easy and it's certain that this process will cost more energy than the energy released when 2H atom combine with Oxygen and form water. It is thermally very "costly" to break the 2 strong hydrogen bond in water. For example electrolysis...
And the full fuel thing makes no sense technically, just next-generation catcphrases cleverly piled up.
Anyway it seems TRI will create an infinite energy source, so I would advise everybody to invest in such a treat before the evil illuminati/ shadow governements/FBI-KGB-CIA shut them down.
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2016-12-21
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#83
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can you imagine trying to go anywhere with it, even if it did work? Lithium battery is considered risky (postal services/flights etc). what would they be like if you transported a hydrogen filled fuel cell?
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2016-12-21
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#84
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Well, I see they are quite set on creating a Classical Perpentual Motion device. Pretty ambitious but that's OK, you need to aim high to succeed.
No matter there' those pesky Law's o' Theremodynacists hanging on da background; I bet nobody's yet tried to break em hard enough!
Just break the law, Huh, Huh, break the law!
No matter there' those pesky Law's o' Theremodynacists hanging on da background; I bet nobody's yet tried to break em hard enough!
Just break the law, Huh, Huh, break the law!
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2016-12-21
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After five years of lurking, Turing fuel cell discussion finally made me register and post on TMO.
No perpetual motion here, actually. A chunk of something that reduces water, and needs to be replaced after depleted: "... contains a replaceable solidified chemical fuel...", as they say.
I believe most of the fuel cell prototypes for electronic devices so far have used ethanol or methanol with external oxygen, and water being exhausted, but nothing that much wrong with using solid fuel and otherwise closed system? (Thermodynamics and Hess's law actually tell us it's thermodynamically ok to convert 2 H₂O <-> 2 H₂ + O₂ back and forth if we really want to)
"what would they be like if you transported a hydrogen filled fuel cell?" Hydrogen without oxygen is pretty inert, and not THAT dangerous in such small amounts anyhow. And some/most of it will be bonded as water all the time - maybe it will actually extinguish itself in case of fire? Anyhow, I find lithium batteries scarier.
Theoretically everything's pretty ok. Of course, such devices being delivered in the near future by TRI, that is a completely different question...
No perpetual motion here, actually. A chunk of something that reduces water, and needs to be replaced after depleted: "... contains a replaceable solidified chemical fuel...", as they say.
I believe most of the fuel cell prototypes for electronic devices so far have used ethanol or methanol with external oxygen, and water being exhausted, but nothing that much wrong with using solid fuel and otherwise closed system? (Thermodynamics and Hess's law actually tell us it's thermodynamically ok to convert 2 H₂O <-> 2 H₂ + O₂ back and forth if we really want to)
"what would they be like if you transported a hydrogen filled fuel cell?" Hydrogen without oxygen is pretty inert, and not THAT dangerous in such small amounts anyhow. And some/most of it will be bonded as water all the time - maybe it will actually extinguish itself in case of fire? Anyhow, I find lithium batteries scarier.
Theoretically everything's pretty ok. Of course, such devices being delivered in the near future by TRI, that is a completely different question...
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2016-12-21
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#86
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Originally Posted by Mazoon
If they could deliver an economically feasible fuel that could easily safely and quickly refuel a fuel cell, they certainly wouldn't need to screw around in the boutique smartphone business. There's a world of devices big and small from toys, phones and tablets to planes, trains and automobiles that would beat down their door to get in on that action.
Theoretically everything's pretty ok. Of course, such devices being delivered in the near future by TRI, that is a completely different question...
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2016-12-21
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#87
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If they could deliver an economically feasible fuel that could easily safely and quickly refuel a fuel cell, they certainly wouldn't need to screw around in the boutique smartphone business. There's a world of devices big and small from toys, phones and tablets to planes, trains and automobiles that would beat down their door to get in on that action.
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2016-12-21
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#88
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Originally Posted by Mazoon
Well done everyone, we s#!tposted so hard we gained a member!
After five years of lurking, Turing fuel cell discussion finally made me register and post on TMO.
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2016-12-21
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#89
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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw
That should also credit to Turing...
Well done everyone, we s#!tposted so hard we gained a member!
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2016-12-22
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#90
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Originally Posted by JiiHoo
That schedule seems a bit rushed.
Bonus:
TRI will also make the official pre-announcement of its second generation mobile device on January 1st, 2017.
They should let the tech mature and announce it on the
far more appropriate date of April 1st, 2017.
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