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2012-04-22
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szopin, don't You realize that all "let's buy it from Nokia or hire people to reverse engineer it" ideas are so expensive, that it's cheaper to design our own, 100% open device from scratch (with possibility of using existing open or mostly open devices as implementation references).
BTW, starting with less than 1GB of RAM is not worth the effort - seriously. Yet, it is totally off-topic here.
/Estel
BTW, starting with less than 1GB of RAM is not worth the effort - seriously. Yet, it is totally off-topic here.
/Estel
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2012-04-22
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all this hardware seeking is exactly why i think NOKIA is Maemo's only chance
traditional GNU/Linux distros don't have that problem as they are running on a standard PC, as they are sold by 100s of thousands every day.
even a small project like Trinity Desktop Environment (the continuation of KDE 3.5.10 since KDE upgraded to KDE 4) can survive, only with one dedicated coordinator, a bunch of ppl helping directly and the open source community contributing... they know for 100% sure TDE will run on a standard PC, even with proprietary video card, as long as they remain in line with the x86 / x86_64 architecture.
this simply does not exist for mobiles or Internet Tablets, alas.
thus the dependance upon a manufacturer, in Maemo's case NOKIA.
for the better or the worse
traditional GNU/Linux distros don't have that problem as they are running on a standard PC, as they are sold by 100s of thousands every day.
even a small project like Trinity Desktop Environment (the continuation of KDE 3.5.10 since KDE upgraded to KDE 4) can survive, only with one dedicated coordinator, a bunch of ppl helping directly and the open source community contributing... they know for 100% sure TDE will run on a standard PC, even with proprietary video card, as long as they remain in line with the x86 / x86_64 architecture.
this simply does not exist for mobiles or Internet Tablets, alas.
thus the dependance upon a manufacturer, in Maemo's case NOKIA.
for the better or the worse
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2012-04-22
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Originally Posted by Estel
We're at the point where it's clearly true that you might as well go onto more open hardware ANYWHERE else with a new non-Maemo but Linux-based OS. Possibly something more Debian-like than Maemo was allowed to be.
szopin, don't You realize that all "let's buy it from Nokia or hire people to reverse engineer it" ideas are so expensive, that it's cheaper to design our own, 100% open device from scratch (with possibility of using existing open or mostly open devices as implementation references).
BTW, starting with less than 1GB of RAM is not worth the effort - seriously. Yet, it is totally off-topic here.
/Estel
Originally Posted by misterc
This is why I'm particularly disappointed in Maemo! I was sold a device that was advertised over, and over as being OPEN SOURCE based and LINUX based... and the 'based' part was used as scamming term to protect themselves from the very OPEN SOURCE communities they were trying to attract into their platform instead of using it as a true BASIS for open-sourcing. Nokia bragged about how much they participated in kernel development and bragged a LOT about openness but, ultimately, they've proven to be an incredibly disappointing affair.
all this hardware seeking is exactly why i think NOKIA is Maemo's only chance
traditional GNU/Linux distros don't have that problem as they are running on a standard PC, as they are sold by 100s of thousands every day.
even a small project like Trinity Desktop Environment (the continuation of KDE 3.5.10 since KDE upgraded to KDE 4) can survive, only with one dedicated coordinator, a bunch of ppl helping directly and the open source community contributing... they know for 100% sure TDE will run on a standard PC, even with proprietary video card, as long as they remain in line with the x86 / x86_64 architecture.
this simply does not exist for mobiles or Internet Tablets, alas.
thus the dependance upon a manufacturer, in Maemo's case NOKIA.
for the better or the worse
Once again, you saw the reply from Nokia-proper: Too bad.
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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2012-04-23
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Originally Posted by Estel
Right now, there are 4 valid candidates so if I accepted there would be 5 candidates and no vote. I think it would be best if Arie or Nieldk linked their tmo account to their maemo.org account so they would meet the karma criterion and then we can have a vote.
SD69, could You finally accept nomination?Pleeease?
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2012-04-23
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Originally Posted by SD69
I wonder how often karma is updated. Arie linked his talk account yesterday but it's not reflected yet.
I think it would be best if Arie or Nieldk linked their tmo account to their maemo.org account so they would meet the karma criterion and then we can have a vote.
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2012-04-23
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris
You can vote once you have received your token to vote via email, plus once elections have started.
When can I vote?
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2012-04-23
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Originally Posted by Andre Klapper
It takes a couple of days usually.
I wonder how often karma is updated. Arie linked his talk account yesterday but it's not reflected yet.
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2012-04-23
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Originally Posted by danramos
what did you expect from NOKIA?
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This is why I'm particularly disappointed in Maemo! I was sold a device that was advertised over, and over as being OPEN SOURCE based and LINUX based... and the 'based' part was used as scamming term to protect themselves from the very OPEN SOURCE communities they were trying to attract into their platform instead of using it as a true BASIS for open-sourcing. Nokia bragged about how much they participated in kernel development and bragged a LOT about openness but, ultimately, they've proven to be an incredibly disappointing affair.
that they designed a graphic chip & a SOC & build and manufacture them?
even IBM in their heydays (PS/2 & OS/2 times) didn't manufacture everything themselves (for the PS/2 or for the PC & AT before that)
and in the last years before they liquidated the PC business, they were using parts from others, ATI, Intel & all.
in fact Intel is one of the notable exception among hardware manufacturer which provides open-source compliant code to the kernel team; except, there too, for those components (Wireless chips come to mind) where they used 3rd party components which are not OSS conform.
long story short.
NOKIA did as good a job they could making Maemo (& the devices on which it runs) as open-source compliant as they could.
if the Council is going to aim at getting code & what not from NOKIA, they are going to hit a wall, like all the Councils (members) who tried it before.
period.
Originally Posted by danramos
don't copy that
Once again, you saw the reply from Nokia-proper: Too bad.
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