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I would guess that a lot more users will be interested in MeeGo than were interested in Nitdroid. As for the"this is crap" commenters, I think the community at large already deals with them fairly well. Developers need to live with a certain amount of unfair commentary. Politicians do. Artists do. Parents do.
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For a competition of "Who's more open?" and your reasons for not backing MeeGo, well, I find your attitude (as well as others') extremely hypocritical.
Oh, so when Google pulls an API what happens to your copy of that translation using open source project ?
No, the pullback that kills open projects in company exits is the void created by the size of contribution/maintenance those companies make. There is only so much blood you can lose in one blow without fainting and/or dying.
I disagree with pretty much all of that, anyway, I've never had problems with the WiFi on my N900 running MeeGo. So it's probably to do with router & wifi combination. Anyway, it's obviously being worked on, why is it such a major deal for you?
At least we have more upto date components, that are freely distributable.
Good luck back porting it to your closed Maemo platform and having what we now have in "MeeGo N900 Community Edition".
And now you've gone in a full circle. But yes, you're right, no one is talking about Mozilla here, so why bring it up?
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To what end? It's like trying to get Amiga developers to "help out" this wonderful new project called Windows back in the 80s. Sure, it may never actually run stably on the Amiga hardware, but that's not the goal! Wait, what is the goal? To suck away developers from the initial platform? I'm not sure I like that!
The goal you're touting (as I see is) is to pull people off of the platform I'm using, that's vibrant, active, and starting to really show off what it can do, and into another that has no real future for the current hardware. For what?
Especially given that it's not even guaranteed at this point that anyone is going to make a MeeGo-based device. There's been lots of talk, tons of announcements, but we're 6 months into 2011, and even Nokia looks like they may be back-tracking now. Not to mention a complete lack of any vendor talking about doing phone support, outside of maybe LG on one device. Nokia has been quite mum on weather it's only announced MeeGo offering will have any GSM capabilities.
I don't think I could get most people here to agree on what the color "blue" is, yet alone what the goals here have been over the past 5 years. To say they've "always been clear" is farcical. More so seeing as a good number on the forum are here because of the N900, which was less tablet and more of a cross-over device.
Yes, creating an open tablet platform has been a key part of this forum. I can see how MeeGo is a natural continuation of that in the minds of some people, especially the N700/800 crowd. I can even see the desire to get people excited about it and get them to jump the shark and start working on the next big thing. But you shouldn't do so using false pretenses, which is exactly what you're doing when touting MeeGo on N900, while saying you never intend to see it for casual users.
If the N900 is never going to run on MeeGo as primary OS, via a simple update/reflash procedure for common people, then it's wasted effort. Better to put the time and energy into something useful, like getting the Calendar to sync with on-line services, or Contacts to not crash the device randomly. (Those are active bugs too, but I'm too lazy to link them right now.) Pouring time and energy into a single device that's never going to be run by more than a handful of developers, used to make apps for... who again? Who's going to use the things they make? Not N900 owners, if the target is only getting developers on to it.
To the contrary, it has been said and proven to some degree. It is open in that as a developer you can take the core, add the bits and bobbles for your hardware, and toss it on just about anything. As long as you don't care about continued development, or have a few people to manage upstream code merges on occasion, it's just as open as MeeGo. How many device manufacturers have picked up Android? How many have picked up Maemo? Which is more open? Again, it's all mixed... none of it is totally open, and claims of one being "more open" than the other often are blurred by the perspective of the person making that judgment.
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Besides, ask any Android user and they'll tell you, it's all open-source! They can do whatever you want on their Android phone, no really. Until you ask them to plug in a USB stick, and serve data from it to a laptop, while acting as both a web server and an AP hotspot... Because no phone can do that... Until yours can. But then you're just "showing off" with your "geeky phone". Not that I've ever done that...
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As the project increased in momentum, what was originally a hardware adaptation project and a few enthusiastic users that tweaked the higher layers, gained resources from Nokia and we had this Developer Edition project. That project injected a lot of energy and progress into MeeGo on the N900. And today, it is day-to-day usable in-my-opinion. But I don't think it's user ready, and there are clearly issues, issues that are being actively worked on.
My second statement was just; sure, I'd love to see MeeGo on the N900 end-user ready, mainly because I think our efforts with MeeGo "N900" Community Edition will last a lot longer than the N900s life. Now, what's the point? How many end-users are actually going to be interested in upgrading to a capable MeeGo? But the next devices will have a huge headstart with what we've started with on the N900.
This project, doesn't have a life expectancy, the Community Edition, hopefully, will be around for a long time, a lot longer than the N900, and hopefully a lot longer than the Harmattan device after that. And like all projects you'd hope the goals are to make it better. So, end-user ready is really just a matter of when, but what matters here is, when is it acceptable from the N900s perspective. If it takes another year? Is that acceptable to the users here. And we can't progress completely without valuable feed back from users, obviously we want to start with the more experienced users. Mainly because we don't what the type of people that'll try to boot it, and fail, or if they succeed be like "This is bull ****, why do you bother and why is it so crap after _all_ of this time" like some people tend to do.