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2015-05-22
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Originally Posted by juiceme
Actually...
Android has everything to do with Linux; I doubt you could really run an android device with any other kernel... (except heavily patched bsd variant I suppose...)
exactly which part of Android depends on Linux?
They could move tomorrow to a Windows NT kernel, and no one would be the wiser.
Heck, that's just what http://www.bluestacks.com/ and all the other Windows android implementations do.
Heck, that's what Alien Dalvik does! Even on iOS!
Android uses their own interfaces/HAL layer for almost anything that could be kernel-specific: audio, video, IPC, bluetooth, network, even security. It has as much to do with Linux as MS dotNET. And you can certainly trust Android does not have the best intentions for Linux at heart (rather the opposite), with even the Google ChromeOS guys having contributed more (in lines of code) to the kernel than all the Android guys combined.
I'm still surprised how little people realize that Android went to huge extents in order to abstract themselves from the kernel -- possibly so that if the need came they could move to a BSD/Apache or proprietary kernel. A need that did not come by because no one seems to care about GPL compliance either way.
(Sorry joerg_rw for the offtopic :P )
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2015-05-22
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#2573
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Originally Posted by joerg_rw
Exactly! The fact that mikegioia does not consider one of them a meat product does not mean it is not a meat product.
It's a "why would I buy a steak for 20 bucks when I can get Spiced Pork And Meat for 0.98"
When you don't care what's inside, a can of SPAM is maybe just the right ting for you ;-)
(OT: You might be surprised what passes as a meat product in the UK. I forgot the exact figures and am too lazy to look them up now but it was in the range of something like "at least 5% meat content" to be allowed to use a "meat product" label.)
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2015-05-22
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#2574
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Originally Posted by Kabouik
Can someone help me on that point? Is that what the extra $1 item at the bottom of the shop was for? And what happens in case of refund issue or project failure?
Is it possible to pay more for the down payment in order to pay less later when it's time to complete the order? What happens if I put 500€ in down payment for just the board, and the project is abandonned? I know you said that backers would be refunded based on the unspent money, but would my refund be based on the 350€ amount (value for board down payment in the shop), or the 500€ amount actually paid?
I see that the shop is down currently. Hope it will come back, I was still trying to decide what to do, and the fact that I noticed the shop was not here anymore might mean that I was about to make an expensive decision.
[Edit] And about this one too, please
:When you say Debian, which version would it be? Would it be a normal desktop version? The stylus would be supported like a mouse, just like in EasyDebian? Would it be full support? I remember that not everything could work in EasyDebian.
Last edited by Kabouik; 2015-05-22 at 15:45.
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2015-05-22
, 15:43
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#2575
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Originally Posted by javispedro
I was not aware that is possible. The fact that up until quite recently there was a different kernel fork for android needs which was now accepted to mainstream led me to believe android does have some kernel dependencies (related to process handling and power management)
Actually...
exactly which part of Android depends on Linux?
They could move tomorrow to a Windows NT kernel, and no one would be the wiser.
Heck, that's just what http://www.bluestacks.com/ and all the other Windows android implementations do.
Heck, that's what Alien Dalvik does! Even on iOS!
Considering this I didn't think it was possible to run android on any other kernel, without these features. (hence it would not run on win or osx kernels, those lacking the features...)
Originally Posted by javispedro
This is still off-topic, sorry
Android uses their own interfaces/HAL layer for almost anything that could be kernel-specific: audio, video, IPC, bluetooth, network, even security. It has as much to do with Linux as MS dotNET. And you can certainly trust Android does not have the best intentions for Linux at heart (rather the opposite), with even the Google ChromeOS guys having contributed more (in lines of code) to the kernel than all the Android guys combined.
I'm still surprised how little people realize that Android went to huge extents in order to abstract themselves from the kernel -- possibly so that if the need came they could move to a BSD/Apache or proprietary kernel. A need that did not come by because no one seems to care about GPL compliance either way.
(Sorry joerg_rw for the offtopic :P )
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2015-05-22
, 15:49
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#2576
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Shop is not down.
Literally just went in...
just now..
and again...
and again...
The shop is not down.
Every time thus far someone has said this..the shop actually wasn't down..
I would make a small suggestion ...
If someone is having problems with the shop..
instead of immediately "saying" .."the shop is down"...
(which does make for some small confusion and uncertainty amoungst those reading)
Please simply log back in ...
I imagine it is simply a personal connection issue...
perhaps individs are being "bumped" accidentally out of the shop due to the flood of interest..
At worst ...try to use a different browser.
Chrome works fine for me.
Firefox works fine too.
If the shop hasn't gone down yet ...
with all the traffic it's gotten...
I seriously doubt it is going to go down now...
unless David Letterman sings the neo's accolades on his very last show tonight...THEN I can see the shop going down under the weight of so many going to the shop.
So please people ...stop saying "the shop is down"
It hasn't happened yet..
It doesn't help.
Last edited by endsormeans; 2015-05-22 at 16:07.
Literally just went in...
just now..
and again...
and again...
The shop is not down.
Every time thus far someone has said this..the shop actually wasn't down..
I would make a small suggestion ...
If someone is having problems with the shop..
instead of immediately "saying" .."the shop is down"...
(which does make for some small confusion and uncertainty amoungst those reading)
Please simply log back in ...
I imagine it is simply a personal connection issue...
perhaps individs are being "bumped" accidentally out of the shop due to the flood of interest..
At worst ...try to use a different browser.
Chrome works fine for me.
Firefox works fine too.
If the shop hasn't gone down yet ...
with all the traffic it's gotten...
I seriously doubt it is going to go down now...
unless David Letterman sings the neo's accolades on his very last show tonight...THEN I can see the shop going down under the weight of so many going to the shop.
So please people ...stop saying "the shop is down"
It hasn't happened yet..
It doesn't help.
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Owner of :
1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's / 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 loose usb ( parts), 1 has no telephony (parts))
3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
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Lurker since 2007, Member since 2013, Certifiable since 1972
Owner of :
1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's / 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 loose usb ( parts), 1 has no telephony (parts))
3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
Meateo balloons now available @ Dave999's Meateo Emporium
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2015-05-22
, 16:27
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I know it wasn't down down yesterday. But it was still "down" At the same time...If it takes more than 3.1 sec to load page... user might move on to another page and yesterday it took like 10 sec.
Today its almost instant so don't expect any " Its down" today.
Guys, It's up.
Boom!
At the same time...If it takes more than 3.1 sec to load page... user might move on to another page and yesterday it took like 10 sec. Today its almost instant so don't expect any " Its down" today.
Guys, It's up.
Boom!
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Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
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2015-05-22
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Originally Posted by endsormeans
At least I don't see the link to the shop in the Neo900 webpage anymore. There used to be a "Shop" link top right of this page.
Shop is not down.
Literally just went in...
just now..
and again...
and again...
The shop is not down.
Every time thus far someone has said this..the shop actually wasn't down..
I would make a small suggestion ...
If someone is having problems with the shop..
instead of immediately "saying" .."the shop is down"...
(which does make for some small confusion and uncertainty amoungst those reading)
Please simply log back in ...
I imagine it is simply a personal connection issue...
perhaps individs are being "bumped" accidentally out of the shop due to the flood of interest..
At worst ...try to use a different browser.
Chrome works fine for me.
Firefox works fine too.
If the shop hasn't gone down yet ...
with all the traffic it's gotten...
I seriously doubt it is going to go down now...
unless David Letterman sings the neo's accolades on his very last show tonight...THEN I can see the shop going down under the weight of so many going to the shop.
So please people ...stop saying "the shop is down"
It hasn't happened yet..
It doesn't help.
I tried /shop/ subdomain but with no success, it must be another URL. I also tried three distinct web browsers (on two computers).
I have the actual URL in the email I received from the Neo900 team to send me my voucher, but I haven't checked it to be honest. I believe it must work, if you say the shop is still here. I posted here when I saw the link was not on the webpage anymore, because anyway I had two questions to ask. I didn't come here just for the shop.
[Edit] So the URL is the following, and the shop is indeed up: http://neo900.org/#main
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2015-05-22
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yes.
To make it crystal clear.
going to the "MAIN" page = http://neo900.org/#main
there is no "shop" button.
hence I believe some are thinking the shop is down.
going to the "SHOP" page = https://my.neo900.org/index.php
the shop button is in the upper right corner.
(as well the whole page screams that you made it to the place to put your money down.)
So for individs. thinking if they just head over to neo main site and easily "click" on the shop ..or think the shop is "down" (when it really isn't and hasn't gone down..)
just go the the shop page.
To make it crystal clear.
going to the "MAIN" page = http://neo900.org/#main
there is no "shop" button.
hence I believe some are thinking the shop is down.
going to the "SHOP" page = https://my.neo900.org/index.php
the shop button is in the upper right corner.
(as well the whole page screams that you made it to the place to put your money down.
)So for individs. thinking if they just head over to neo main site and easily "click" on the shop ..or think the shop is "down" (when it really isn't and hasn't gone down..)
just go the the shop page.
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Owner of :
1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's / 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 loose usb ( parts), 1 has no telephony (parts))
3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
Meateo balloons now available @ Dave999's Meateo Emporium
Lurker since 2007, Member since 2013, Certifiable since 1972
Owner of :
1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's / 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 loose usb ( parts), 1 has no telephony (parts))
3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
Meateo balloons now available @ Dave999's Meateo Emporium
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2015-05-22
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Shop is definitely not down.
Just made my downpayment
Just made my downpayment
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