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	joerg_rw	2013-03-13 , 11:54
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just that HiFo isn't exactly about steering. Any "direction" been already taken by those who inventend/developed mer and meego and nitdroid and cordia and... you name it. HiFo doesn't have anything it could steer anywhere to, it's about keeping maemo alive as it is. Making friends with those who spawned all those projects based on maemo doesn't hurt but still is not exactly a new perspective for maemo. Everything of maemo that HiFo is allowed to offer (and that actually makes sense to use) got already migrated to those successor projects. You maybe think HiFo will inherit the sourcecode of the closed blobs - no, Nokia will not hand out those sources, neither to HiFo nor to anybody else. And HiFo doesn't have any developer manpower at hand they could allocate to any project.

So: nothing to steer.

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jalyst	2013-03-13 , 12:37
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That's your perspective, personally I don't think it's correct to rule-out completely, things that may or may not happen longer-term.
No doubt there's things to consider, or ways it could evolve, (longer-term) to maintain relevance/vibrancy...

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	joerg_rw	2013-03-13 , 12:52
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I honestly would like to know which are those things that may or may not happen. Anyway I don't think I ruled out anything except the absolutely unlikely case that Nokia would hand out sourcecode for the blobs in a year or two. So HiFo simply doesn't own nor even possess anything they could "steer". And founders of HiFo been aware of this and designed HiFo accordingly - it's not even meant to steer anything since there is nothing to steer (except those in community (usually not developers themselves) who think there should be an emperor instructing everybody (particularly developers) what to do, something that will never work in a FOSS community) And that's what my post is all about.

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jalyst	2013-03-13 , 13:13
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If you think of things purely from a Maemo 4x-6x code perspective then sure, of course there's little to steer.

(except those in community (usually not developers themselves) who think there should be an emperor instructing everybody (particularly developers) what to do, something that will never work in a FOSS community)

W.T.F?

thedead1440/joerg_rw, no thanks for me, where's the love guys? jk

EDIT: thanks thedead1440

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SD69	2013-03-13 , 13:46
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Originally Posted by joerg_rw

So HiFo simply doesn't own nor even possess anything they could "steer". And founders of HiFo been aware of this and designed HiFo accordingly - it's not even meant to steer anything since there is nothing to steer (except those in community (usually not developers themselves) who think there should be an emperor instructing everybody (particularly developers) what to do, something that will never work in a FOSS community) And that's what my post is all about.

Absolute rubbish.

We now have $7000 of server hardware. We will soon have maemo.org, the maemo trademarks, the maemo website, the maemo infrastructure, and as much of the maemo software as possible.

This is possible only because HiFo exists. If HiFo didn't exist, we wouldn't even be able to read this message now.

The people who founded and began to run HiFo Board are friends, and on the same side as the community - but you can't see that, you go around repeatedly insulting and calling names like "emperor" instead. Negative politics suck. The people who founded Hildon Foundation and worked to save maemo when other people did not (including the name callers) deserve to be treated better.

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jalyst	2013-03-13 , 13:49
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Oh dear... what did I do...

Please can we go back to singing Kumbayah, why are those warm/fuzzy times always so fleeting

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	Dave999	2013-03-13 , 14:39
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Originally Posted by jalyst

Oh dear... what did I do...
Please can we go back to singing Kumbayah, why are those warm/fuzzy times always so fleeting

We shall overcome

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	nokiabot	2013-03-13 , 14:44
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Originally Posted by SD69

Absolute rubbish.

We now have $7000 of server hardware. We will soon have maemo.org, the maemo trademarks, the maemo website, the maemo infrastructure, and as much of the maemo software as possible.

This is possible only because HiFo exists. If HiFo didn't exist, we wouldn't even be able to read this message now.

The people who founded and began to run HiFo Board are friends, and on the same side as the community - but you can't see that, you go around repeatedly insulting and calling names like "emperor" instead. Negative politics suck. The people who founded Hildon Foundation and worked to save maemo when other people did not (including the name callers) deserve to be treated better.

exactly this

make a sticky thread link on talk homepage abot infastructure aim possibilites etc etc so that newcomers third partys etc can know abot hifo what is it why they need it .this will have a general overview of maemo as all info is scatterd and is a absolute mess

hifo isint just another 4m its something apart

reinob	2013-03-13 , 15:37
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Originally Posted by SD69

I get comments from time to time expressing the mistaken notion that Hildon Foundation was founded just to save maemo.org, and it is not limited in that way. So this post should clear that up as well.

Thanks for clarifying this. Now WTF is then the role of the Hildon Foundation, besides declaring itself as not attached to Maemo(.org).

Why have TMO members donated money to a "foundation" whose only director now declares the foundation as unrelated to Maemo?

I don't like the tone of this. AFAIK the only reason for a "foundation" with some sort of a pseudo-legal status was so that Nokia would transfer the ownership of the fvcking maemo.org domain name. No more, no less.

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reinob	2013-03-13 , 15:42
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Originally Posted by Dave999

Ok, I'm running for Office. Where do I sign?

You can see me as a Arnold Schwarzenegger type of politician.

Ah please. Could you just shut up if you have nothing to say?
Thank you.

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