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#2911
Just my 5 cents.

The only thing that I want from the Neo900 team is to actually finish this project. The time it takes is irrelevant, because my requirements to the smartphone hardware are non-existent. I'm still content with my 10-years-old N95, and in some ways it is still a superior experience compared to modern iPhoid smartphones.

The only thing that will really make me mad would be if the project just fails with no outcome whatsoever. I was observing the development of GTA04A5 by Nikolaus Schaller, and was horribly depressed when it failed because of the soldering problem, despite not being financially involved. Making hardware is much more difficult - and important - than making software. You don't publish patches to your hardware, or "clone" someone's hardware repository onto your table, or check if a fix worked by simple recompilation.

Also, I (unlike a lot of other people here) am interested in Neo900 project for its security first and foremost. There simply is no such thing as "paranoia" when it comes to the safety of personal data. Every byte of closed-source executable code is a breeding ground for backdoors and spyware.

So, I am ready to wait as long as necessary. The only thing I ask is to please not give up. Two failed open hardware projects in a row will be too much.
 

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Originally Posted by ScumCoder View Post
You don't publish patches to your hardware, or "clone" someone's hardware repository onto your table, or check if a fix worked by simple recompilation.
Never stop dreaming!
 

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Originally Posted by nthn View Post
Never stop dreaming!
That's a keypad. Orders of magnitude simpler than what Neo900 team is doing.


Joerg, Have you considered collaborating with Purism? IIRC they're interested in making a privacy-oriented phone.
 

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Originally Posted by hxka View Post
That's a keypad. Orders of magnitude simpler than what Neo900 team is doing.


Joerg, Have you considered collaborating with Purism? IIRC they're interested in making a privacy-oriented phone.
Purism is a joke.
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Originally Posted by hxka View Post
That's a keypad. Orders of magnitude simpler than what Neo900 team is doing.
Yes, it was a joke.
 

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I am not a backer (Because I am poor, so pre-order a device which has the chance to not to ship seemed not a wise decision to me), but I am still using my N900 day by day, and I do hope the Neo900 project to succeed and I want to get one if it came out.... even I don't have much confidence in this project now.

When the Neo900 project was first announced, I thought it was a reasonable upgrade to N900. The specification was not superb, but even if Neo900 cannot do the much different things than N900, at least it was likely to do the same things faster than N900 - so why not?

But now we have almost 4 years passed. If the Neo900 will be able to ship this year, it may still be "a reasonable upgrade". But if it needs more years to make it into production, say, 2 or 3 more years. It will more like the pricey nostalgia for N900 rather than a reasonable upgrade.

I understand that the project wants to make the working prototype before the Kickstarter campaign, to attract more people to fund. But I am afraid the best period to attract people was already passed. The promised product seems more outdated than before, and the people who really like to support this project were already given their money, besides them, there is not much people left.

I really want to have a spiritual successor to N900, and Neo900 was the first project seemed promising. But now I think that maybe to make a spiritual successor to Maemo OS to run on the Android-compatible device, or even make a completely new N900-like device, will see the more bright future than Neo900. Making a board to fit into the N900 case is definitely a great idea, but now it seems too late and too costly, and when it finally came out, not many people will really need it anymore.

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Originally Posted by darkranger View Post
I understand that the project wants to make the working prototype before the Kickstarter campaign, to attract more people to fund. But I am afraid the best period to attract people was already passed. The promised product seems more outdated than before, and the people who really like to support this project were already given their money, besides them, there is not much people left.
This is one of my concerns too, since the success of the whole project probably depends a lot on the success of the future Kickstarter campaign.
 

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Originally Posted by NX500 View Post
Purism is a joke.
Please, elaborate.
 

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Originally Posted by hxka View Post
Please, elaborate.
Selling computers that respect your privacy and run on generic hardware + magic kill switches, that somehow fix, the privacy issues that their closed source hardware brings, is a joke.
(For example: You can read a lot about the shady low-level stuff, intel implemented in it's (newer) CPUs, on the web.)

I dare to assert, that an old IBM Thinkpad (running libreboot), respects your privacy more, than Purism's overpriced toys....altough this solution still isnt perfect.
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2x N900 - collecting dust both for sale, 1x in mint condition with a qwerty keyboard (with box and all accessories) and 1x in used condition with qwertz keyboard. PM me

1x N9 16GB cyan - collecting dust for sale PM me

1x Jolla - collecting dust, after getting repaired 4 times under warranty.. for sale PM me

iPhone SE - lost

iPhone 7 - 128GB
iPad Air - 32gb
Surface Pro 4 M3 - Win10 is buggy...
 

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Originally Posted by NX500 View Post
I dare to assert, that an old IBM Thinkpad (running libreboot), respects your privacy more, than Purism's overpriced toys....altough this solution still isnt perfect.
Actually, this is way too overhyped.
AFAIK the "backdoor" in those Intel processors is usually disabled by most laptop manufacturers on most commercial laptops.
 

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