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#2931
Originally Posted by Paspie View Post
Android won the battle for developer participation, which means it has had almost a decade's worth of spit, polish and extensions.
Well, you are correct about the spit at least
Add crap, excrement and filth to the equation and you start to be really close. Nothing polished there IMHO.

Think about the rigidness and weight of the whole concept, how it is a fragmented and torn piece-of-os that needs all the horespower of most modern cpu's just to run at usable pace at all.

I see no merit in attracting allsorts of second rate wannabe crackers writing bad software, there is enough of that already in the world...
 

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#2932
Originally Posted by juiceme View Post
Well, you are correct about the spit at least
Add crap, excrement and filth to the equation and you start to be really close. Nothing polished there IMHO.

Think about the rigidness and weight of the whole concept, how it is a fragmented and torn piece-of-os that needs all the horespower of most modern cpu's just to run at usable pace at all.

I see no merit in attracting allsorts of second rate wannabe crackers writing bad software, there is enough of that already in the world...
Mate, up until Marshmallow, Android could run on 512MB RAM. That's less than the latest version of iOS was compiled for at that point. It's gapps that bogs down the system. Yes, there are countless manufacturer-specific versions with their custom UIs and bloat. But LineageOS and a number of other community-built AOSP ROMs are truly lightweight.

The only thorn that could potentially screw the platform is if Google starts to embed gapps into a new version of Android without GPL/copy-left components, and makes gapps a prerequisite for the system to run. I'm sure people who couldn't care less about closed source software would be very happy with fuss free security updates, but for the rest of us it would be horrible.

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#2933
Anaaaannnnndddd
That is why we have alternative devices and os's....

I say let them bog it all up more...!
Please.. I hope they make an already ugly cumbersome dinosaur even more top heavy....
I hope ios and win do as well...
As is the wont of behemoth corps...

It just means that the quasi monopolistic triumvirate of crap...
falls that much faster ...

If Nokia can be bought...(or parts of it)
If BB can fall from grace...
Then ....for android ...it is only a matter of time...
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#2934
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
Anaaaannnnndddd
That is why we have alternative devices and os's....

I say let them bog it all up more...!
Please.. I hope they make an already ugly cumbersome dinosaur even more top heavy....
I hope ios and win do as well...
As is the wont of behemoth corps...

It just means that the quasi monopolistic triumvirate of crap...
falls that much faster ...

If Nokia can be bought...(or parts of it)
If BB can fall from grace...
Then ....for android ...it is only a matter of time...
Nice objective post I see.
 

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#2935
Originally Posted by juiceme View Post
Think about the rigidness and weight of the whole concept, how it is a fragmented and torn piece-of-os...
I'm currently using an Android ROM without google play services. Android can be made less awful using things like Termux (adds linux utils with Linux style packaging on top of Android).

However, every now and then I find something that makes me lose my cool. For example, in Android 6+ if you mount a USB drive with USB OTG, Android doesn't actually create a linux mount for it. Instead it abstracts it using some API. All I wanted to do was move files from the phone to a flash drive! I would have been happy with a GUI method or a commandline method, but I couldn't find a path for the flash drive which is needed for both. Bloody nightmare.

I think that running those few Android bits that are necessary (i.e. apps that can't be replaced) on top of a proper Linux distro (i.e. SFOS) is generally less annoying than trying to rebuild linux on top of Android, because Android seems to be getting less and less linuxy.

Originally Posted by juiceme View Post
I see no merit in attracting allsorts of second rate wannabe crackers writing bad software, there is enough of that already in the world...
Do you mean hobbyists? We don't write bad software on purpose
 

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#2936
Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw View Post
Do you mean hobbyists? We don't write bad software on purpose
Not specifically hobbyists; at least I don't think it is hobbyists that create the millionth fartapp. (could be wrong though?)

Now I must admit I don't have that much visibility in what goes around in android application world nowdays, but at least it used to be so that there are hundreds of applications that basically do the same thing (or even nothing useful at all) and some of those are just made to purpose of violating user's privacy.
 

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#2937
Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw View Post
However, every now and then I find something that makes me lose my cool. For example, in Android 6+ if you mount a USB drive with USB OTG, Android doesn't actually create a linux mount for it. Instead it abstracts it using some API.
Doesn't actually solve the real mount point problem but in the f-Droid repos(I assume you use it) the app Mountie(needs root) does a half-assed job of auto-adding a user accessible mount at /storage/emulated/0/mountie (emulated, sigh). With Amaze file manager(can do root) and FTP server(really!?!.. no scp?!) and you have a working system that works reasonably well to move files both wireless and USB-OTG. But yea, no real mount point.
 

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#2938
Apologies for off topic stuff
Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw View Post
Android doesn't actually create a linux mount for it.
I find it highly unlikely.* Have you diff'd /proc/mounts contents before and after attaching a drive?

* That would require rewriting all of the tagret FSes instead of writing a simple shim.
 

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#2939
Originally Posted by biketool View Post
Doesn't actually solve the real mount point problem but in the f-Droid repos(I assume you use it) the app Mountie(needs root) does a half-assed job of auto-adding a user accessible mount at /storage/emulated/0/mountie (emulated, sigh). With Amaze file manager(can do root) and FTP server(really!?!.. no scp?!) and you have a working system that works reasonably well to move files both wireless and USB-OTG. But yea, no real mount point.
Thanks, that's actually what I tried - I use Amaze, and I get an error when I try and download/install mountie. Not sure if it's because it's incompatible or if it's something to do with my fdroid setup (I use the privileged extension, may need to re-flash that part).
 

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Originally Posted by hxka View Post
Have you diff'd /proc/mounts contents before and after attaching a drive?
I haven't, thanks for the suggestion, I will try it later. The point was mainly about it not mounting under /media or /mnt like it used to (can't remember which one).
 

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