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2009-04-09
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The Dpad is dead. Long live the Dpad.
Oh wait! This just in:
The Stylus is dead. Long live the Stylus.
Palm and Nokia have finally figured out what Apple has been trying to tell them from their Newton experience. Sheep sh*t. And no, don't bother telling the guys and girls over at Pandora, 'cause I might need one.
FTW
Oh wait! This just in:
The Stylus is dead. Long live the Stylus.
Palm and Nokia have finally figured out what Apple has been trying to tell them from their Newton experience. Sheep sh*t. And no, don't bother telling the guys and girls over at Pandora, 'cause I might need one.
FTW
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2009-04-09
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't that one of the big appeals that Maemo and the tablets have always had; the only difference was anything that was GNOME/GTK, instead of now anything that's QT, so I don't really see how this a "Game changing" development or is going to make native app building any better or worse in theory... I haven't used both extensively, but the impression I get is that QT is much more mature and broad than GTK, but that really doesn't change the fact that both provide the idea of "you can develop natively regardless of your IS devel environment and port anywhere else with a re-compile"; after all, a huge chunk of the apps we have on the tablets right now are simply native Linux apps that have been recompiled for ARM using the Maemo SDK...
This is one of the wonderful benefits of a cross-platform UI like QT with many language bindings, an API for every OS feature a program could want, and written in a ubiquitous language (C++, I believe). This should greatly ease development for this platform, because you can develop natively regardless of your OS development environment -- assuming you exclusively use the QT API or your own portable libs (using OS specific libs in your app will obviously break compatibility). Put another way, it makes porting an app VERY simple task (a re-compile).
That aside, I'm still very much looking forward to the next device and software, and I'm sure there are lots of great changes that are happening, but I don't see your point of QT suddenly changing everything in terms of development... maybe in the long term, but based on the way Nokia treats things I can still imagine lots of odd and unexpected roadblocks to be crossed before we really start to see any major benefits to development processes; I'd argue that things like a well rounded Python package have had a MUCH larger impact on the availability of apps and features than anything else at the moment (and I'm not a big Python fan, but the point remains)
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Originally Posted by daperl
the great thing about a good finger friendly interface is that it is extremely usable with a stylus as well
The Dpad is dead. Long live the Dpad.
Oh wait! This just in:
The Stylus is dead. Long live the Stylus.
Palm and Nokia have finally figured out what Apple has been trying to tell them from their Newton experience. Sheep sh*t. And no, don't bother telling the guys and girls over at Pandora, 'cause I might need one.
FTW
Finger friendly though is a lot more than just making UI elements bigger.
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2009-04-09
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as i like to say:
finger > stylus > mouse
anything that can be done with a finger can be done with a stylus or mouse, but the other way is not always working.
just look at all the webpages and stuff that have mouseover events. how do you trigger stuff like that with a stylus or finger?!
finger > stylus > mouse
anything that can be done with a finger can be done with a stylus or mouse, but the other way is not always working.
just look at all the webpages and stuff that have mouseover events. how do you trigger stuff like that with a stylus or finger?!
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2009-04-09
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Zoom first?
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2009-04-09
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Originally Posted by tso
Well, graphics tablets respond to differing levels of pressure (to change the weight of the line, for example). So light touch=mouseover, firm pressure=click.
as i like to say:
finger > stylus > mouse
anything that can be done with a finger can be done with a stylus or mouse, but the other way is not always working.
just look at all the webpages and stuff that have mouseover events. how do you trigger stuff like that with a stylus or finger?!
I'm pretty sure the current NIT screen is also pressure sensitive.
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2009-04-09
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Originally Posted by TenSpeed
like i didnt have enough trouble getting it to register a continual pressure when dragging things around as it is (i keep getting double or even triple-taps when i drag or do long-taps).
Well, graphics tablets respond to differing levels of pressure (to change the weight of the line, for example). So light touch=mouseover, firm pressure=click.
I'm pretty sure the current NIT screen is also pressure sensitive.
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2009-04-09
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Originally Posted by TenSpeed
yes, the are pressure sensitive and that also makes them too sensitive.
Well, graphics tablets respond to differing levels of pressure (to change the weight of the line, for example). So light touch=mouseover, firm pressure=click.
I'm pretty sure the current NIT screen is also pressure sensitive.
you could not reproduce a hover by looking only at a certain precise maximum pressure limit.
mouse over is impractical in every way shape and form.
we have a warping pointer that simply reappears only when needed.
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2009-04-09
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Originally Posted by lcuk
Oh, so the burden's on me now to figure out where to store the stylus. Great. Should I just stash it with the now-most-likely-extinct half-screen keyboard?
the great thing about a good finger friendly interface is that it is extremely usable with a stylus as well
Finger friendly though is a lot more than just making UI elements bigger.
I put serious miles on my n800 before I bought an n810, only to find out that I was still right about what's wrong with it. But maybe now is as good a time as any to give my impressions in relation to each other:What's Better about the n810:
- screen (it's perfect)
- screen touch sensitivity (artful)
- stand and its gradations (right on)
- fullscreen button placement (they did their homework)
- +/- button placement (good enough for my remapping of page-up and page-down)
- stylus (smaller, lighter)
- speaker quality and placement (genius)
- don't quote me on this because I don't know if they're the same or different, but the WiFi chip seems way more robust
What's Worse about the n810:
- It has an anchor/keyboard I rarely drop or use
- The dpad would suck no matter where you put it. The perimeter-button feel is all wrong.
- As if the dpad wasn't enough, why the f*ck did the menu key have to go inside?
- Density. The n810 is smaller and heavier than the n800. Thus, it's more dense. This causes more fatigue and I'll stop there...
- SD slots (a 4GB partition is still unused on my 8GB micro)
- camera (along with their drivers, they both suck)
- USB jack (whatever, hope I don't lose the cable)
- light sensor (cool, but maybe could use a better algorithm)
- battery (thinner is sometimes better?)
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