Poll: How much would you be willing to pay for a Neo900 (complete device) with TI DM3730 1GHz/512M-RAM/1GB
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#2221
Thank you for the interactive block diagram, makes it much easier dig around the specifics.

Is there a key to the colours used in this block diagram?

Red areas seem to be most vague on the specifics, does this indicate the areas most at risk/liable to change?
 

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Originally Posted by LES.. View Post
Is there a key to the colours used in this block diagram?

Red areas seem to be most vague on the specifics, does this indicate the areas most at risk/liable to change?
Please see the legend at right side of diagram, which even has popups with further detailed explanations http://wstaw.org/m/2014/10/30/plasma-desktopNK1874.png
 

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Originally Posted by joerg_rw View Post
Please see the legend at right side of diagram, which even has popups with further detailed explanations http://wstaw.org/m/2014/10/30/plasma-desktopNK1874.png
Oh that's where it is!

*facepalm*

I saw the connection key but not the colours.
 

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Originally Posted by joerg_rw View Post
. And the device is not considered ready for prime time for joe averageuser, heck not even N900 is, tbh. Particularly not since OVI store gone south. As a rule of thumb: when you couldn't sell a N900 to those prospects, you can't sell a Neo900 either to them.
As an N900 user that doesn't write code for it I disagree with the above statement that the N900 is not ready.

In 2009-2010 I was able to simulate a full mobile office in terms of access to documents and response time on mail, phone or IM with the N900 as central device.
This from situations and area's unimagined by office bound colleagues or contacts.
I felt the N900 gave me a huge advantage and there for freedom of movement.
Mobile working was a younger concept and I wasn't expected to boast my productivity with it.
It was merely a bonus I gave back to the company I worked for.
Ten years before I was already connected over 9600bps GSM data and a latpop, but for the first time all the office tools were united in a pocktetable device.

As far as I am concerned the N900 was ready because I was ready to exploit the best features of it.
And that feature set was quite complete, and I did not have to worry about abandoned closed parts in the OS and security leaks never to be addressed yet.

In fact the N900 was so useful for me that I'd rather enjoy it in silence than to start promoting it to become the next standard.
I 'd be happy to let other's play with their iPhone 3G and show me their daily downloaded apps.

The sales effort for the N900 was surely lacking as I just stumbled on it by coincidence.

Finding Nokia an arrogant and annoying company that always charged premium for devices that got updated with the next hot feature soon after that purchase I did not really care to throw them money for a top model.
However, a tech article about the N900 caught my attention and I knew this was a mile stone worth consideration.

A small "price" I had to pay for freedom was to find the limited set of useful applications in the repos system and because of the easy access to development stage applications, proceed with caution and knowledge.
A huge price for Microsoft it was to see casual users familiarizing themselves with Linux command prompts, a price which they decided not to pay by messing up Nokia before all this went mainstream.

Ovi has gone south? I really never cared about OVI on N900.

Through years of delivering tiresome support on Windows infrastructure on various cheap and diverse more ore less compatible hardware, I can state that even those widely spread and accepted systems are not ready for prime time for jane and joe averageuser.
Will an app shop change all that? No, they will still be able to run it as under adminstrator and install virusses on the fly when not properly guided and informed.

Why then we assume current mobile devices are ready for prime time in the hands of averageuser?
Because the leak of information out of those are accepted concepts, installed by design?
If we learn not to care about our data lost, destroyed or stolen, what else can possibly go wrong?

Like the Windows PC's with all kinds of peripherals these mobile devices are rather complex and there is nothing wrong with requiring averageurser to have it setup properly by a professional.

N900 was not left unsold because its deemed complexity (which honestly I fail to recon) but rather because they did not want to sell it and build a support infrastructure around it. The excuses was that it concerned only step 4 out of 5 or 5 out of 6, don't remember exactly.
The arrogance of announcing in advance your master-plan finally fired back. To competition, to share holders (why step x out of x when all you have to do is grow and make sure you are never finised?)

The common misconception these days is that mobile devices are (supposed) to be simple. What happens to the healthy analysis and pro/con decision process that got traded for the quick satisfaction of colorful tap and play app store delight?
Recently a company IT manager would try to "let me quickly install my solution of choice app" on my wife's private telephone at the office. When he found out the Samsung Note did not feature the familiar Google App store, it was surprise and end of the attempt.
Small security success: foreign hands can't and shouldn't install redundant software easily, unreflected in five minutes, potentially messing up its stable, functional state and worse, compromising its security.


If all goes well Neo900 step 2, will hook on where N900 dropped it: the embarrassing halt of further support and updates to closed source Fremantle parts.

To help achieve that goal I 'll do my best to try not to stay unlike (the only one in the hood onto Neo900?) and spread the word.

Nothing is impossible and see even my father is being unlike using an unready N900 these days.

Wish this project all the best, looking forward to future updates.
 

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sometimes, like a complete jerk, i forget that smart, technical non-programmers exist
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#2226
Originally Posted by joerg_rw View Post
http://www.wmshop.cz/en/Modules-GSM-...archparam=pls8 modem 113EUR plus shipping
http://www.digikey.com/product-detai...100-ND/2695734 SoC/CPU ~50US$
http://www.netcomponents.com/sitemap...00CA-A506.html 1GB RAM + 512MB NAND POP chip: probably 25EUR
http://www.jorjin.com.tw/#!wg7351-00/c1dnh WLAN+BT+FM module ~30..40EUR
http://www.handy-ersatzteil-service....er_Tastur.html kbd 18EUR
http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/N97-ca...7_06-13-16.jpg main camera ~15EUR
http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/DSCF0308.JPG 8-layer & 4 -layer PCB some maybe 50EUR
http://www.digikey.com/product-detai...3CF-ND/4316075 32GB eMMC storage 66US$
or http://octopart.com/mtfc64gjddn-3m+wt-micron-29101638 64GB eMMC storage 95US$
or the original one with much doubt about possible counterfeit or defect chips: http://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesal...g8d8eba12.html

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I love everything about the N900, except for the speed and battery. UNLESS I ONLY use it as a phone. If I use it as a phone, it's fast enough, but if I start integrating Skype, Google and Facebook chat into the interface (as Maemo was designed to be used), suddenly the phone is slow and the battery dies too quickly. I understand that with the Neo900 the battery will be swap on the go and bigger capacity.

However, even if I overclock my N900 to 1.1GHZ, it's still super slow. According to the list, the CPU is one of the least expensive parts, so why is it not possible to get a 2GHZ processor at least, I know there will be more ram, but it will be a much smoother user experience with a faster CPU.

I would love to see benchtests of an N900 overclocked to 1.1 GHZ vs. the new 1GHZ chip with 1GB of ram on the Neo900. Obviously the ram will be an upgrade, but considering we have the same speed basically in terms of CPU in our N900 I don't know if it will be that much faster. It's basically taking the specs of the N9 in someways and putting them in the N900 vs. taking more modern specs. Granted, we might not need that much power, but still, even the N9 lags a bit...
 

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The foremost cause of lags on N900 is the swapping. Having 4 times as RAM as N900 will eliminate that. The rest is software, having a faster CPU will get diminishing returns of smoothness.
 

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#2228
domesheet starts becoming unobtainium, and expensive too.
So we found http://www.snaptron.com/products/dome-arrays/custom/ and did

http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random...ader-dots1.JPG

mega thanks to werner and xes!

[2014-11-07 Fri 15:01:11] <DocScrutinizer51> citydruck says 'building such lightspreader is absolutely possible, though the machine will run a while". Precision they plan for is <0.1mm

[2014-11-07 Fri 16:03:51] <DocScrutinizer51> I'll ask [snaptron] for a PeelnPlug dome array with exact shape we need, and RK15xxx or P15150 [domes]
[2014-11-07 Fri 16:04:26] <DocScrutinizer51> based on RK15xxx/P15150 domes + Flexcon PM200 adhesive, spacer 0.1mm
[2014-11-07 Fri 16:05:34] <DocScrutinizer51> then add our lightspreader courtesy Citydruck on top
[2014-11-07 Fri 16:06:42] <DocScrutinizer51> yet to be found: extremely thin silver coated adhesive
[2014-11-07 Fri 16:07:28] <DocScrutinizer51> rescue blankets come to mind
[2014-11-07 Fri 16:08:30] <DocScrutinizer51> though I'd be surprised if 3M doesn't have some sticky tape of exactly the type we need
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#2229
From Neo900 I expected a Linux OS phone with QWERTY keyboard. This is expected to be shipping in 3-5 months by TOHKBD which seems to be much faster way to the target.
The Neo900 goal has changed to be a fully private phone which was not its target originally. TBH I would find better to create a fully private (=secure) PC (BIOS, firmwares...) in the first place before having any concerns about security of a phone.
 

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#2230
1-Been done.
If you want a fully "secure" (if you are connected at all ...don't believe you are ever secure) blobless pc...
get an ibm thinkpad x60(t) ...
put libreboot, proper alt non-propriet. wifi and install trisquel or parabola.

2-Personally....Soooooo not interested in having to "replace" a battery in a Jolla (meaning- buying a whole new device at the mo. ...ask Dave ...he's been dealin' with that delight...) and for peeps like me the issues surrounding north american carriers support is sketchy...

[And now....Back to originally scheduled programming]
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3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)

1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
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