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2012-10-05
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There goes the resale value on the N8x0's. Meanwhile, I can still use and re-sell my ancient Motorola Droid (my first Android device) and it's STILL getting updates from CyanogenMod (I thought they'd stopped.. but apparently, they've been committing and releasing updates to CM7 even as recently as only a few days ago and every several days.. thanks to increasingly opened Android source code) AND even the closed-source Google apps continue to get updates and run fine.
It's simply boggling the way Nokia took an open operating system and locked it down tighter and tighter with every new Nokia Maemo device and made it nearly impossible to keep the resale value on these devices the way Android managed to for a myriad of devices by many manufacturers. It's infuriating that even mirroring the repositories has to become a crippling legal issue.
It's simply boggling the way Nokia took an open operating system and locked it down tighter and tighter with every new Nokia Maemo device and made it nearly impossible to keep the resale value on these devices the way Android managed to for a myriad of devices by many manufacturers. It's infuriating that even mirroring the repositories has to become a crippling legal issue.
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2012-10-05
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Originally Posted by ivgalvez
Personal backups are absolutely fine if you own a Diablo device, what is not allowed is redistribution of the proprietary bits.
Probably not, but no one will accuse you for doing you "own personal backup".
Momcilo, lma, once we can sort out all the issues with Nemein and Nokia, we will need administrators for the different services, would you like to be part of the administration group, maybe in charge of N8x0 repositories?
It would also be useful to make backups of firmware images, flasher and SDK, just in case...
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2012-10-05
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Originally Posted by danramos
What resale value? After all, they are 5-6 year-old devices and you can still find unused ones for sale if you look a bit.
There goes the resale value on the N8x0's.
Meanwhile, I can still use and re-sell my ancient Motorola Droid (my first Android device) and it's STILL getting updates from CyanogenMod
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2012-10-05
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Originally Posted by lma
You seem to be making opposing points within the same sentence. What are you saying?
What resale value? After all, they are 5-6 year-old devices and you can still find unused ones for sale if you look a bit.
Originally Posted by lma
Maybe... Maybe... But this IS a "doomsday" thread, right? It is still relevant point to make that Nokia really has wretchedly crippled and hobbled this "based on open-source" platform and turned it into a horrible legal exercise now. The legal permission to at LEAST distribute closed-source freely may ultimately be the only fix until someone comes along to write an altogether replacement operating system--which we know is unlikely given previous attempts and the closed architecture. It almost begs the question of whether it's even worth it. What a mess.
Sure, Android is more open source than Maemo and Google have not set their platform on fire. This isn't the thread to talk about that though ;-)
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2012-10-05
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Originally Posted by danramos
I mean that there's not a big market for second-hand units while there are still new ones to be had at low prices. For instance, I got my latest one for £60 last summer, and that was the rare (especially in Europe) WiMAX edition.
You seem to be making opposing points within the same sentence. What are you saying?
It is still relevant point to make that Nokia really has wretchedly crippled and hobbled
The legal permission to at LEAST distribute closed-source freely may ultimately be the only fix until someone comes along to write an altogether replacement operating system--which we know is unlikely given previous attempts and the closed architecture.
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2012-10-05
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I don't want to mirror the repositories but I do want to make sure all the packages I've installed are available in case my device needs to be restored. So here are a couple scripts for anyone who wants to backup their installed packages.
http://maemo.qzx.com/#backup_repos
http://maemo.qzx.com/#backup_repos
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2012-10-07
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Originally Posted by lma
Wait, what? What other distributions will run on an N800? You're not referring to stuff like Mer... which ultimately never really ran very well at all even in their heyday when the N8x0's were still the CURRENT devices.
N8x0s are not that closed in that respect, and there are other distributions working fine on them. It's just that there's not enough developer critical mass to polish them (again, the hardware is 6 years old and there are shinier toys available all over the place).
Originally Posted by auouymous
To that end, why isn't there an IMAGE backup like you get with nandroid on the Android devices (thusly eliminating the need for repositories just to get your system back to where it was before you started experimenting)?
I don't want to mirror the repositories but I do want to make sure all the packages I've installed are available in case my device needs to be restored. So here are a couple scripts for anyone who wants to backup their installed packages.
http://maemo.qzx.com/#backup_repos
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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2012-10-07
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Originally Posted by danramos
(Note I said N8x0, most efforts concentrate on the N810 as the keyboard obviously makes things a bit easier). A few efforts I'm aware of include Debian, Gentoo and OpenWRT.
Wait, what? What other distributions will run on an N800?
To that end, why isn't there an IMAGE backup like you get with nandroid on the Android devices (thusly eliminating the need for repositories just to get your system back to where it was before you started experimenting)?
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2012-10-07
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Originally Posted by lma
And I was thinking Android got the idea from the n900...
Isn't that (among other things) what bootmenu is for? ;-)
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Momcilo, lma, once we can sort out all the issues with Nemein and Nokia, we will need administrators for the different services, would you like to be part of the administration group, maybe in charge of N8x0 repositories?
It would also be useful to make backups of firmware images, flasher and SDK, just in case...