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#11
Heya Cop!
I've been working away on a solution here...
Little more and it should be worked out.
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PIMP MY N8X0
Everything you need tightly explained in layman's terms ..in an easy to understand format.. and a video walkthrough to boot.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634

THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567

AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
 

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#12
Hey, question: wouldn't it be easier to just create a new "live-something" Linux distribution containing, say, the Qt 1.1.2 SDK, and an up-to-date version of Linux, rather than using a five-year-old Live CD? I don't know exactly what tools exist on the original dev CD, so maybe it has something unique; but the Qt SDK works fine for me for building Fremantle apps...

EDIT: Some info on creating a custom Ubuntu Live CD:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization

I would guess that other distributions are also easily customizable, though I haven't tried it before myself.

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#13
Very good question.
Not sure if it would be easier to create...
but in the end...
it would definitely be easier, quicker and simpler for the end user.

Same goes for the 770 and 8x0 line...
In fact since they are as beautifully dead (I say this in the best of terminologies) as Latin. It would be even easier for them than the n900 since 770 and 8x0 devel has slowed to the speed of treesap running in winter...It would be easiest to do them.

In the end..A small bit of pain for huge long term gain.


As far as what's on what...give me until 2morrow this time ...tops...
I'm right now in the thick of sorting all 77gb of the goodies so it is convenient, and easy for those wanting it.
Rather than the sprawling mess it was beginning to look like scattered around in that corner of my Storages...a few dupes here...something else which should be somewhere else .... overdue Spring cleaning... yarg.

Nice little qt reservoir you pulled out of your sleeve there Cop.
I should dogear that one...

Cops. quote "Some info on creating a custom Ubuntu Live CD:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization

I would guess that other distributions are also easily customizable, though I haven't tried it before myself." unquote

Well there we have it...now we just need a member or two to work some easy-to-do magic...

addendum:
Huh...
Looks like someone on demonoid beat me to it...

http://www.demonoid.pw/files/?catego...mo&uid=0&sort=

called maemo hoard..
hm.. seems it's gone...hopefully it comes back...
regardless I'm working on it.
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Owner of : 1-n770 (in retirement),
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3-n810's,
5-n900's
-3 flawless
-1 loose usb (i don't muck with it & stress it , considering selling it, another can fix the loose usb)
-1 no telephony (perfect for permanent set-up as mini-pc with one of my monitors)
half a neo900 pre- "bought"....due for production any day now.


PIMP MY N8X0
Everything you need tightly explained in layman's terms ..in an easy to understand format.. and a video walkthrough to boot.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634

THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567

AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325

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#14
Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
After installing the SDK, you'll still need to open the Qt Package Manager and pull down the Maemo toolchain. (Hopefully, that is still available as well.)
In my case, after installing the offline SDK version, it complains about the update server. as it tries to connect to nds2.fds-forum.nokia.com, is gives me a bad request error. I get a message warning me that I can only uninstall packages. Now I cannot install the Fremantle toolchain and I have not found any Fremantle target in the 1.1.2 SDK nor have I succeeded to create one. All I have managed so far is linking the SDK with my device with Mad developer.

I am also totally new to all of this, I obtained a N900 for a fair bargain to use as primary phone and I was told it was one of the best phones there was due to its openness (u-boot and developing). It's just a wonderful device. But its support seems to have unconditionally, thoroughly, died at every aspect and everybody moved on it seems.

Back to the point; even when the package manager does not function any longer, and the VM image containing Maemo SDK with all Fremantle tools and Qt seems to have vanished from Earth's surface, how do people manage to make software for Maemo nowadays, Let alone Qt programs? I am dazed and confused.
 

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#15
An update on setting up Fremantle Qt development: unfortunately, I don't think the 1.1.2 version of the SDK is going to be usable any more. I downloaded it onto my latest Linux box, and tried pulling down the Maemo toolchain in the package manager, but no dice.

However, I then went ahead and pulled down the 1.1.1 version of the SDK. Luckily, the Maemo toolchain comes built-in to this previous version! I've been able to build Pierogi with it, so it looks like this will be sufficient at least for my needs.

Next, I guess I need to try and create a Live-iso thing with the 1.1.1 version...
 

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#16
good for you cop.
I do have pristine copies ...perhaps there was something buggy goin' on there...or it could have been something specific with the distro you currently were trying to apply it to....
As far as UCK goes it rung a bell I couldn't put my finger on...until it dawned on me that someone got it running on bodhi (big soft spot for bodhi)...that was where it was familiar...then it struck me again that it is pretty much instalinux....or live magic ...which i remember playing with years ago...
and they were good alternatives to UCK...in all it depends what little perks you need ... what you want to do with it.
Never did anything serious with either of them though...I didn't think of them in that light at the time.
Hell you manage that...
show us what you did...
wouldn't hurt for us to have the same for the n8x0.
for that matter...
could not only have scratch pre-set up on a live cd...
but other devel enviros as well...
muahahahaaa...
the power!
the power!

addendum:
It appears the Maemo Hoard is back on the torrents...
http://torrentdownloads.be/?search=maemo+hoard
good...
looks like it has a lot...
have to check it out..
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-1 loose usb (i don't muck with it & stress it , considering selling it, another can fix the loose usb)
-1 no telephony (perfect for permanent set-up as mini-pc with one of my monitors)
half a neo900 pre- "bought"....due for production any day now.


PIMP MY N8X0
Everything you need tightly explained in layman's terms ..in an easy to understand format.. and a video walkthrough to boot.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634

THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567

AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325

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#17
I've got a 32-bit Debian Squeeze VM set up for Fremantle development, but I could never find the right software to develop for Maemo as a target.

@Copernicus, so I should just have to download the version 1.1.1 for Linux 32 and I should be good to go? I just want to see if I can manage to develop one or two fairly basic Python apps.

And is Scratchbox of much use these days?
 

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Originally Posted by Xagoln View Post
@Copernicus, so I should just have to download the version 1.1.1 for Linux 32 and I should be good to go? I just want to see if I can manage to develop one or two fairly basic Python apps.
I'm using the Linux 64 version (which is more appropriate for the hardware I've been setting up this weekend), but I would think all the platforms are supported equally well; the Qt guys always seem good at doing that. (Which, I guess, only makes sense, as Qt is supposed to be a cross-platform dev system. )

And is Scratchbox of much use these days?
Hmm. I have to admit, I've never managed to successfully set up the pre-Qt scratchbox dev environment. As the Qt SDK comes complete with compilers, debugging tools, emulators, IDE, etc., it's a heck of a lot easier to just pull down the one executable and hit "install" than to go through all the steps to manually set up the scratchbox system. (Plus, I've been doing most of my work on an OS X box, so it's nice not having to set up some dual-boot or VM in order to run the dev environment...)

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Originally Posted by Hawox View Post
Now I cannot install the Fremantle toolchain and I have not found any Fremantle target in the 1.1.2 SDK nor have I succeeded to create one.
Yeah, sorry about that. I was able to set up the 1.1.2 version as recently as early last year, but I guess all online server support is now gone. Luckily, it turns out that the 1.1.1 SDK can be set up completely independently, so at least that still works.

I am also totally new to all of this, I obtained a N900 for a fair bargain to use as primary phone and I was told it was one of the best phones there was due to its openness (u-boot and developing). It's just a wonderful device. But its support seems to have unconditionally, thoroughly, died at every aspect and everybody moved on it seems.
Certainly, Nokia (as a tech company) has unconditionally, thoroughly, died. But there are a few of us around who have not yet moved on.

And there is still plenty of documentation and example code around. Qt themselves may not officially support Maemo any longer, but their docs and example code still exist, for example:

https://wiki.qt.io/Support_for_Maemo

http://doc.qt.digia.com/qt-maemo-4.7...roduction.html

http://doc.qt.digia.com/qt-maemo-4.7...es-maemo5.html

But yeah, it does take a lot of effort to set up and start coding for Maemo these days...
 

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#20
Hm.
I was justa thinkin' Cop...
customizing a livecd or making a live cd and stuffing it to the gills is an option....and a great one too...
there is another though...and an even better potential end result.
perhaps a bit easier and you'd know what works and you wouldn't have the task of dealing with all kinds of unknowns with stuff not um.."meshing " properly with the build...esp. considering the age of some of our stuff.
As an example...instead of "making" a live cd from scratch...
how about ..for instance...
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=688872
hell I found a basic tut. on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbFr-1BQYRw

so yeah ..clone an existing installation and turn it into a livecd distro.
it would naturally have everything you had in your computer and there wouldn't be any troubleshooting concerning making everything work together all happy-happy.

Also it means that you aren't confined to just UCK or a 'buntu based platform ...like so many "make-your-own-livecd" programs are based.

And two ever-so slight steps further into Fabulous ...and I'm looking into it now...would be persistence...and rolling release...in a cloned livecd distro with all that juicy maemo goodness packed right in.
Why then ...essentially it would never need to be re-done .
just update the livecd...
Perhaps it may be more limited in which distros it can be done with...
if it can be done at all...
and so that narrows end-user choice of distro....
but if it can be done ...well then...
I'm going to do some more hunting and reading...
perhaps something like lmde (it's 'buntu) or maybe an arch derivative
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3-n800's,
3-n810's,
5-n900's
-3 flawless
-1 loose usb (i don't muck with it & stress it , considering selling it, another can fix the loose usb)
-1 no telephony (perfect for permanent set-up as mini-pc with one of my monitors)
half a neo900 pre- "bought"....due for production any day now.


PIMP MY N8X0
Everything you need tightly explained in layman's terms ..in an easy to understand format.. and a video walkthrough to boot.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634

THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567

AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
 

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