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#6341
you cannot displace so much mass, and then just reintroduce it rapidly with no effected strain on the container.
If your theory "held water" (hahahahaha)....
then why does a container crack, split or break when filled to the brim with water and then capped and put in a freezer?
The water expands and breaks the container.
the effect of displacement when ice in water melts is ...water levels "rise" ...they don't stay constant as your theory postulates ...or are all the scientists saying that sea levels are rising due to melting icecaps, glaciers, etc...completely wrong in their findings?

There are always consequences.
The potential for unknown consequences is beyond "high" ...here.

The scientists who originally forecast the speed of climate change had to completely revamp their calculations, since the rate of melt has increased exponentially and they couldn't understand why, until they just happened to put two and two together concerning the melting permafrost planet wide ...and the release of all the trapped methane within, accelerating the entirety of the process exponentially.
Feeding the rate of speed of climate change.
They weren't counting on that.

There is a lot that folks aren't counting on...aren't even considering ...
Right now..the rate of acceleration is exponential...

Just wait and see what comes next.
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#6342
What comes next. What’s the next big thing?

We need to be one step ahead?

Not three behind?

The core stop spinning?
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We are watching the slow motion effects play out..
how severe they will become is not known.
how they will show themselves specifically and be able to forecast them, is not known.
In fact more frequently, normal weather that is to be expected is becoming more unpredictable.
The impact is impressive.
My country's east coast just being hit by a super storm the likes of which the planet hasn't seen in our human timeline with 130km hr winds ...that kind of damage is something.....
The "Son of the Blob" out here on my coast giving us mild summer temperatures in fall...and now heading towards winter with mild fall temperatures, while everywhere else between the two coasts of my country is getting beaten and buried by early snowfalls and snow storms...
for starters...
And that is just my country...

How bad do you think it can get Dave?
Double or triple your idea of "how bad it can get" and you are probably getting near "How bad it can get".

The absolute worst case scenario is climate tipping point reached, exceeded and runaway climate change heading to a planet that cannot sustain life ..."Earth gone rampant" ...another Venus..
That is the worst case scenario...
Everything less than that is still horrifically pretty bad.
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#6344
The answer to the ice cube in the cup of water can be easily looked up, and the answer is that the level would remain the same.

When the last ice age ended, the global sea level rose by about 120 metres. This was not due to the ice floating on top of the Atlantic, it was due to all the land ice that melted and flowed into the sea. There is only one significant land mass in the northern hemisphere today that may have a similar effect: Greenland. Otherwise juiceme is right: all the North Pole sea ice melting will have no effect on the seafloor below it, as it does not matter whether it sits there frozen or melted. The mass is the same.

The melting of ice age ice did have an effect of releasing some weight off the land below it and the land rebounded a bit. This may have indeed triggered a few local, small-scale quakes, the likes of we observe nowadays as for example linked to fracking. These are all small, shallow, local affairs, barely registered by anything other than instruments. Any tsunamis would also be local, caused by calved chunks of ice splashing into a fjord or some such. The quakes and tsunamis like we saw in Palu in 2018, Fukushima in 2011 and Indian Ocean in 2004 were deep, massive events caused by continental drift that does not care about such trifles as a bit of ice.
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#6345
So naturally the mass of all the melted ice on the planet becoming water.. in the world... is not going to have any impact at all then...
and I would imagine that the effect of the "Greenland air conditioner" melting away won't have any effect either.

pure poppycock

The thawing of the various ice ages we have had ...took a long time to achieve...likewise their advancements again...

we are doing it in a time frame not in 10's and 100's of thousands of years as nature has.
With plenty of time for the planet to adapt, and the species on it to adapt...
We are doing it in mere decades.
What stress is put on species, what stress is put on the planet?
I can tell you that here..a very large and long running study spanning a good chunk of time has indicated that my country's lost a very large chunk of its fauna in the last 40 years. 60% is the estimate.

Climate changes...
Naturally over millennia.
Climate changes artificially induced over mere decades the impact is different..

The difference is dramatic ..
between being hit by a slow-motion moving down-filled pillow..
and
being hit by a Japanese bullet train with a diamond tipped spike on the front travelling at speed.
tell me which of these two models of speed of "change" is most likely survivable?
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http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
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THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
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AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
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#6346
@endso, please take a minute and re-read what both @pichlo & me are saying...

Nobody is disputing the raising sealevel, it's just the diference between the north&south that we are trying to explain.

Melting of the northern cap does not count in this context. Of course it is a major ecocatastrophe but it doesn't drown you. It's the south that counts.
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Originally Posted by juiceme View Post
@endso, please take a minute and re-read what both @pichlo & me are saying...

Nobody is disputing the raising sealevel, it's just the diference between the north&south that we are trying to explain.

Melting of the northern cap does not count in this context. Of course it is a major ecocatastrophe but it doesn't drown you. It's the south that counts.
@Guys. Please take a few seconds and read what I write!

It’s all interconnected so everything counts.
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My bad.
It was a terrible analogy...using a glass of water and ice in it.
When the truth of the matter is there is plenty of melting ice suspended above the glass (on landmasses) waiting to melt as well.
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PIMP MY N8X0
Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
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