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That's a fair point. Nokia seems to have done this entirely off their own bat, without informing, let alone consulting the council. What do Nokia think the Council are for?
Facilitating community discussions to Nokia, and vice versa. The council have also picked up facilitating discussions within the community to try and prevent waste.

This was a commercial decision. Whether it's a sensible one we'll find out. However, the Maemo Community Council has never been involved in the governance or direction of Maemo as a product; just as a community.

And Intel and Nokia seem to have gone out of their way to leave all community aspects to the communities involved. Now, that may be very risky - but this is where we have a chance to lead :-)
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This post I posted in "What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?" may be relevant:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=29

Originally Posted by Jaffa View Post
The Maemo community is the single biggest asset, but I don't view MeeGo as a marriage (imagining merging two existing communities was too hard, and lead to feelings of hurt that Moblin seemed to be providing the technology and Maemo the consumer hardware, Qt-based UI and - probably - developer tooling).

This isn't a marriage, it's a child. It's a new platform and a new community - but the Maemo community seems to have far more power and cohesiveness than the Moblin community, so how do we bring that 5-year old knowledge to MeeGo? [...]
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I found, that during transition sticking together, making sure that we communicate our needs and proposals bears better results than during peaceful times.
Heh... he said "bears".
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Maybe much of this discussion is moot. The Linux Foundation is hosting the MeeGo project... maybe they'll be determining a lot of the answers?

http://www.pr-inside.com/linux-found...t-r1722796.htm

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/lp/page/meego

On another note, why no meego.org?

EDIT: I think the next council should be invited to the Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit (http://events.linuxfoundation.org/co...details&did=26)
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And I'm not trying to sound bitter, but it does *feel* like the council was superfluous in this marriage. In general we were told we couldn't be told anything. I was asked not to speculate and honored that-- which is okay, because I would have been drowned out by everyone else today.

But it's obvious some had knowledge. Moderators were requesting many changes to the forum that were said to make sense but went unimplemented nonetheless. So Reggie had to know, at least.
Quim's post on maemo-community is relevant:

http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...ry/003934.html

Originally Posted by qgil
Can you please share the URLs of what you have read? Valerio (chairman of the council) was briefed under NDA last week. That is all we could do under the strictly confidential conditions prior to the launch.

> How can Nokia profess to be all about the community when it
> totally left the entire community and the council out of everything?

By keeping all the community related items open and untouched before the launch. By kickstarting the community discussion right after the launch.
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Never quite sure what I was supposed to be doing, never quite sure what Nokia was doing until I read about it on talk.maemo.org, never quite sure how much Nokia was listening, never quite sure that anybody at maemo.org was listening and never quite sure that anybody at talk.maemo.org was listening, either .
You know, this part truly scares me.

It is like the community here was an afterthought in the deal...

And not even the community: technology roadmap, organization, tools, etc, are all very nebulous now. They should have saved the announcement for later when more concrete work was done.
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And not even the community: technology roadmap, organization, tools, etc, are all very nebulous now. They should have saved the announcement for later when more concrete work was done.
I wish that could have been done as well. But maybe the thought was that it opened the goal up to too much premature exposure. I don't know.
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You know, this part truly scares me.

It is like the community here was an afterthought in the deal...

And not even the community: technology roadmap, organization, tools, etc, are all very nebulous now. They should have saved the announcement for later when more concrete work was done.
I think it's better to get the announcement out sooner rather than later, because it gives everyone an opportunity to get involved or at least a chance to speak up before the concrete work is done.
 
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I wish that could have been done as well. But maybe the thought was that it opened the goal up to too much premature exposure. I don't know.
You know... and I don't want to be too harsh on this... but Quim said here (http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...ry/003934.html) that, and I quote:

"The marketing approach was different: a surprise launch together with a joint Nokia/Intel keynote in the first day of the Mobile World Congress with a room full of journalists. Maybe not the ideal setting for community transparency but definitely a good launch in terms of buzz and repercusion."

And guess what? Windows Phone Series 7 stole the show. Off course the journalists where in the room... but not because of MG, but because it was MWC and they had to be there anyway.

So there wasn't much there in terms of marketing... but there is lots of confusion here, and probably in Moblin land too. This could have really, really, been managed better.
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I think it's better to get the announcement out sooner rather than later, because it gives everyone an opportunity to get involved or at least a chance to speak up before the concrete work is done.
Ok, I'm speaking up. Growling up, even (not often the bear growls). Whatever Meego is/becomes it should continue the maemo tradition of including ordinary end users, enthusiasts and average bears as members of the community. And I will vote for whichever council member includes that in their manifesto.
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