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After watching Google IO, I have serious doubts that MS will ever catch up. The Nexus 7, and then a 10, and the tablet market is all Android.
 
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Originally Posted by specc View Post
After watching Google IO, I have serious doubts that MS will ever catch up. The Nexus 7, and then a 10, and the tablet market is all Android.
...Or Android variants (Amazon, Nook, etc.). Honestly, considering how much Google is rapidly opening up source code--even for hardware and drivers, even for mainline Linux--and allowing ANYONE to customize deeply to the point of not even truly being 'Android' anymore, this is probably the best of outcomes anyway. Nokia started out with good intentions in Maemo but failed to listen to customers, developers and even their own employee engineers. If there's just ONE thing Google has always done right, it's listening to their engineers and enabling them to just invent like crazy and enjoy being inventive instead of being told that they need to be reigned in, as business executives tend to do.

Good on Google... and I'm deeply disappointed in Nokia.
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Originally Posted by specc View Post
After watching Google IO, I have serious doubts that MS will ever catch up. The Nexus 7, and then a 10, and the tablet market is all Android.
it didnt impress me.. it's a gimmic
 
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Honestly, considering how much Google is rapidly opening up source code--even for hardware and drivers, even for mainline Linux--and allowing ANYONE to customize deeply to the point of not even truly being 'Android' anymore, this is probably the best of outcomes anyway.
Indeed, it's starting to look like we might finally have off-the-shelf hardware that can run a real GNU/Linux system. Thank $DEITY for that, because if MS had their way that would become impossible on ARM. And even though I'm not interested in the large tablet form factor that Nexus 7 does look an attractive box for hacking.
 
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Let's not forget that the new boardmeister was raised to his position during Elops company reign. Selected*) because he's thought he can cooperate perfectly with Elop. He's probably as Elop-friendly at the moment, that he can possibly be. The rest of the board, however, should continuously check the map.

*) Although he was, if I remember correctly, groomed for the job before Elop even was hired.
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The board selects the CEO, not the other way around. They are all, individually and collectively, culpable for the mess.
 
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Yes, but the new board director was ment to work with Elop, it has been the plan for a long time. And it's in part the same board that hired him.
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
...Or Android variants (Amazon, Nook, etc.). Honestly, considering how much Google is rapidly opening up source code--even for hardware and drivers, even for mainline Linux--and allowing ANYONE to customize deeply to the point of not even truly being 'Android' anymore, this is probably the best of outcomes anyway. Nokia started out with good intentions in Maemo but failed to listen to customers, developers and even their own employee engineers. If there's just ONE thing Google has always done right, it's listening to their engineers and enabling them to just invent like crazy and enjoy being inventive instead of being told that they need to be reigned in, as business executives tend to do.

Good on Google... and I'm deeply disappointed in Nokia.
Agree 100% Google knows how to extract and utiliza creativity. At the moment they are the best.
 
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
BTW: Nokia keeps dropping value, cash reserves and stock price. A great example of reaping what you sow. I just wish the executives would be held responsible for such gross mismanagement of a company instead of the golden parachutes they often get away with after ruining progress, economies and people.
I was always advocating that CEOs should be paid in stock, not in money. Sure, the company can provide accommodation, traveling expenses and such, and a CEO ought to easily live off of a dividend from the given stock as a salary, and a CEO would be allowed to liquidate the stock only after leaving his position. That would teach them to take far greater care of the companies they are entrusted with. Oh, yeah, that should be applicable to the BoD as well.

In this case we have a CEO that got $6M+ last year for nothing but producing loses and bringing Nokia to the ground... Wonder what his golden parachute looks like after he finishes off Nokia for good...


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Seriously. Wow. I'm waiting on him to argue that the sky isn't really blue next.
Don't know why are you so shocked? He was spewing that claptrap for more than a year now, and it always sounds the same - as utter bullcrap!

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Back to the topic - another day, another history low for NOK stock - €1.60 after somebody got desperate enough and sold a great deal of stock in very short time. On NYSE the price is dancing on the thin razor blade line of $2, and I expect it to stay at that psychological level for the rest of the day unless somebody else panics and listen to more and more rumors of stock dropping drastically after the Q2 results and Q3 profit warnings. Next week, however, it's going bellow $2 at NYSE and bellow €1.50 at OMX for sure... Of course, the stock story of today is RIMM with their announced delay, but one would expect Nokia to at least remain neutral while one of their main competitors is falling, however - Nokia truly is that bad that even the disappearance of RIM completely wouldn't do them any good.

And, on that note, investors have ~96 more hours to join a class-action suit against NOK for deliberate defrauding of the investors regarding the Lumia line. More info @ HERE.
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Originally Posted by specc View Post
After watching Google IO, I have serious doubts that MS will ever catch up. The Nexus 7, and then a 10, and the tablet market is all Android.
Yeah and I definitivly not like it. To many people are incredibly blinded by Google now even if that company now is so damn big and evil as Microsoft was in those days.

Hell are people totally blind to see how much we now are used by google now!?

I definitivly WANT small competitors to. Like blackberry10 and but that is also soon killed by Microsoft because they will fight as hell to get some from Google and probadly they will take some users next year thats for sure.

So in the short run there will only be three big ashole companys left that will fight until there only is one left.

And thats incredible bad for customers and even democracy

So dont be so damn blinded by Google. Its same **** as Microsoft.

Btw every damn geek on this forum should support meltemi team to start a new company. I definitivly would by that device even if its not "the coolest new hardware with Triple superduper CPU"

So ****inbg sick of this big ashole corporations that is using people and make endusers blind! And thats also one of the reasons EU is broken. We prefer buy stuff from china for lowprices as possible instead of thinking with our brains. I mean seriosuly. If prices is to low it also meas workers are not payed well. And also means EU/US sell out companys to Asia etc...

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