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07-12-2012 , 09:42 PM
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#1801
WP7 has an ecosystem.

It's not doing that well.

Nokia had an ecosystem.

They were doing sorta well, declining, but better than now before WP7.

Ecosystems are of no use unless they bring the users to the table. That's not happening so far it seems.
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07-12-2012 , 09:43 PM
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#1802
Not Dead Yet: 4 Wretched Companies That Could Make You Rich

Nokia (NOK)
Share price decline (2012): -60.57%
Low point (2012): Announces layoffs of 10,000 workers as company market cap falls lower than Mark Zuckerberg’s net worth.
Contrary wisdom: “Nokia is not the company it once was, and it will indeed need to drastically alter the way it operates if it wants to survive, but after digging deeper, I’d have to say this lame duck is worth a lot more than Wall Street is giving it credit for.” — The Motley Fool, July 10, 2012
Odds of Apple-like rebirth: 40-1
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07-12-2012 , 09:49 PM
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#1803
This article lists value of Nokia's assets pretty well.

http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...x#.T_99e5FE7LI

"Based on my valuation metrics, adding Nokia's cash, patents, tangible assets, and inventory, and assuming a breakup of the company into three separate divisions, Nokia is worth $13.9 billion, or $3.75 per share -- just more than double its closing price yesterday of $1.84. If Nokia's patent portfolio sells for as much as Nortel's, you can boost that figure to $4.42. "

Crazy.
 
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07-12-2012 , 10:44 PM
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#1804
Cash is cash, though at the rate they're burning through it perhaps not for long. The rest is worthless until/unless a buyer makes an offer. Patents may be worth something, but inventory!? What idiot would want to buy their unsold Lumias at any price?
 
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07-12-2012 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lma View Post
What idiot would want to buy their unsold Lumias at any price?
My mother needs a simplified smartphone. Might go WP7 for her after all.
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07-13-2012 , 05:29 AM
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#1806
Didn't mean that, sorry. Presumably what he meant was a bulk liquidation of unsold stock. Because if we're talking about an HP-style, retail, fire sale, well, they already tried that and almost no one fell for it.

(Incidentally, an HP phone might not be too bad a choice for your mother either)
 
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07-13-2012 , 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bluefoot View Post
This http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/...or-smartphones consumer survery indicated 0.3% marketshare for Nokia's Lumia range, of the US smartphone market, in Q2 '12. That's 1/3rd of Symbian's marketshare in the US ...
According to Wikipedia, US has 327M cellphone subscribers. Nielsen says about 55% of those use smartphones, and of those 0.3% have Lumias. That would mean slightly more than half million Lumias sold in US by end of Q2.

...unless I miscalculated something, of course. It sounds like a suspiciously low number.
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#1808
Or Nielsen did ;-)

It's interesting to note that in their stats Nokia is the WP7 vendor with the fewer sales though. What does it say that Samsung is kicking their behinds even in the Windows market? Or that webOS sold twice as many units nearly a year after being declared dead?
 
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Originally Posted by lma View Post
It's interesting to note that in their stats Nokia is the WP7 vendor with the fewer sales though. What does it say that Samsung is kicking their behinds even in the Windows market? Or that webOS sold twice as many units nearly a year after being declared dead?
As far as I understood, these percentages were not for units sold in Q2, but for the total market. So the webOS share shows how many of them are still in use...
 
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07-13-2012 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bergie View Post
According to Wikipedia, US has 327M cellphone subscribers. Nielsen says about 55% of those use smartphones, and of those 0.3% have Lumias. That would mean slightly more than half million Lumias sold in US by end of Q2.
Asymco was using these figures + comScore and came to 330k Lumias sold in US.
 
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