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specc	07-24-2012 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by gerbick

There is marketing and there is effective marketing. No amount of marketing budget has boosted WP7's share.

The market share of WP in Europe is 2-30%, with great variations around the continent. Finland is the highest (and by some develish mechanism your or not wrong suggesting that marketing has not boosted the share there, it is due to loyal Finns). Elsewhere marketing has definitely boosted the share from nothing to something. 6 M Lumias.

	volt	07-24-2012 , 02:32 AM
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2-30%?

Straight out lies.

WP's biggest market share is in Finland, where it's 8%. In Europe as a whole, it's 1.25%.

Source: statcounter.

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specc	07-24-2012 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by volt

Source: statcounter.

LOL

since when did statcounter count market share of sold units?

This is market share: http://wmpoweruser.com/finnish-carri...share-in-june/

	gerbick	07-24-2012 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by specc

The market share of WP in Europe is 2-30%, with great variations around the continent. Finland is the highest (and by some develish mechanism your or not wrong suggesting that marketing has not boosted the share there, it is due to loyal Finns). Elsewhere marketing has definitely boosted the share from nothing to something. 6 M Lumias.

Total percentage is less than 2%. That's what counts. 2% in total man.

30% where? Izmadeupkhstan?

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specc	07-24-2012 , 02:56 AM
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Why, why why are you all just a bunch of Nokia/MS haters to the point of lunacy

Nevermind that.

Lets look at statcounter. It's rather fun. Statcounter counts hits. It does not count share of sold units. Market share are sold units in a month or Q or whatever. So statcounter gives a rough representation or indication of the total out there. The total Symbian devices, the total iOS devices and so on.

The market share of Lumia (WP) in Finland is 30% roughly Q2 2012. Statcounter shows 8%, which indicates 8% of total users have Lumia. This sounds reasonable.

In Europe in total statcounter shows 1.36% WP. Then we multiply this with 3.7 (the Finnish ratio) and we get 5.1%. So, the market share in Europe for WP is 5.1% or somewhere in the neighbourhood for Q1/Q2 2012.

	gerbick	07-24-2012 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by specc

Why, why why are you all just a bunch of Nokia/MS haters to the point of lunacy

I love the unofficial numbers and leap of faith you just exhibited. Instead of one unofficial source, can you give me a true source for the sales? Like... Microsoft perhaps?

And I'm not a MS hater. Bought, used, liked the Lumia 900. Switched back to the N9 because I can - well that and I need an unlocked phone for an upcoming trip this week.

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Cue	07-24-2012 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by specc

LOL So you "refuse" to understand the article because you don't like the English (or non-English).

I do not care for the poorly written English either, just that it be better than a verbose copy of everything said in a blog with something akin to "do you see it? the guys an idiot" appended inbetween.

Clearly you didn't understand me yet you somehow think you "understand" the blog. The only way you do is that the jist of it is trying to counter Tomi's claims so you are confusing your agreement with understanding. Replying with what basically amounts to "Tomi can't think straight because he hates Evil Elop" is no better than the claim of a contradiction in the article that I picked up already in the blog, with an added "because he hates Elop" that is not even mentioned yet alone implied in that poorly put together piece.

Lets look at statcounter. It's rather fun. Statcounter counts hits. It does not count share of sold units. Market share are sold units in a month or Q or whatever. So statcounter gives a rough representation or indication of the total out there. The total Symbian devices, the total iOS devices and so on.

Same can be said for units shipped but you seem to have no problem blurring the line there by claiming them as sold. Then, if that wasn't enough, refering to a non-cumulative sales market-share of one carrier for the month of June as an indication and counter-argument of its cumulative market share or active devices in the wild.

I don't even know why I bother with you. Maybe it's because you're a persistent troll and I fear somebody may actually believe your BS.

	volt	07-24-2012 , 05:07 AM
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Why not multiply up by pi on top of that.

This is too dumb, I don't care to discuss any more with someone who just makes up stuff on the fly to troll troll trollolololol.

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	danramos	07-24-2012 , 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing

Atari was better than Amiga ....

Anyway, this thread is pointless

For once, we agree on both points. (Although, I own both--and still do.) Frankly, there's very little else left to really talk about on a daily basis on talk.maemo.org that's relevant to the end users that joined here over the years. All that Nokia's basically leaving us with is with a deprecated OS we can't upgrade, on aging hardware that we can't upgrade, and a brand name to watch sinking in the stock market as it makes all the most stupid, wrong decisions)

Welcome to talk.maemo.org, new people! ...If there's such a thing anymore.

Originally Posted by gerbick

There is marketing and there is effective marketing. No amount of marketing budget has boosted WP7's share.

It's Windows Vista all over again! ...And Microsoft Kin all over again! ...And Microsoft Zune all over again! ...And so on and so on.

What? Just saying--they've dumped money into stuff like this before and failed miserably. Man--I remember how HARD they pushed that Zune. Remember when MS forbid Apple products on campus and Balmer even forbid his family from owning Apple-anything? Didn't that work out AWESOME for them? I'll bet they're still totally rockin' Microsoft Bob somewhere in that home!

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