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07-16-2012 , 02:00 PM
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I was skeptical about X86 originally when MeeGo was Nokia, it made sense in the whole ecosystem sense to have it all on ARM.
Now as Jolla is at it's own it could get that special vibe from using X86.


it looks like Jolla's site would be www.jollamobile.org.
http://nokiagadgets.com/2012/07/15/l...-for-jolla-oy/
 
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But I'd love Intel's support behind MeeGo.
Haven't I already seen this movie?
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07-16-2012 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by vitaminj View Post
In terms of locked bootloader, I'm guessing one of two things
1) Full-price devices straight from Jolla will be unlocked ("dev"), subsidised from carriers won't be.
or
2) We've not got the right translation. From the official translation, it says:

Now that could either be "Consumers are not permitted to..." or "Consumers are on average not technically able enough to..." - can a native Finnish speaker look at the original?

I think that's a great idea, what if you just a phone that works? no mess no fuss buy it from any phone shop.
And a different version for those who like to play with everything that's inside
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
But I'd love Intel's support behind MeeGo.
Intel's support is the kiss of death. I've seen so much interesting stuff with Intel's backing. Nothing ever comes from it and lives. Most likely it'll warp into some new v.0.5 with a new partner.
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07-16-2012 , 02:19 PM
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and i love how their replying to all twitter questions via N9
 
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07-16-2012 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by shmerl View Post
Too early to fully understand what they mean. It can simply mean some device setting flippable on the same device (but not intended for non technical users). So no need to panic yet.
I'm guessing that the reason for it is because carriers are going to require it. Fact is, many want to have the freedom to modify phones to meet their requirements and lock out the average user from mucking with it. I didn't expect that to change with Jolla.

I expect that they will make unlocked phones available, just like most GSM phone makers do.
 
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07-16-2012 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TheLongshot View Post
I expect that they will make unlocked phones available, just like most GSM phone makers do.
I don't think there's any question about that. Who other than Apple doesn't have it's phones available unlocked globally?
Unlocked market is way too big in Europe and Asia to be left out, especially for company like Jolla that simply wont be getting wide operator support.
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07-16-2012 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Rauha View Post
Original finnish:
– Jollan puhelin tulee olemaan massamarkkinoille suunnattu oikea älypuhelin. Se ei tule olemaan pelkkä Linux-hakkereille tarkoitettu teknologiapuhelin. Kuluttajat eivät pääse suoraan itse puukottamaan puhelimen kerneliä tai flashaamaan siihen uutta ohjelmistoa.

My translation:
Jolla phone will be a real smartphone aimed at the mass consumer market. It will not be aimed to just Linux-geeks. Consumer will not be able to directly hack the kernel or to flash it with new software.
Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose. What a shame :-(
 
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Originally Posted by TheLongshot View Post
I'm guessing that the reason for it is because carriers are going to require it. Fact is, many want to have the freedom to modify phones to meet their requirements and lock out the average user from mucking with it. I didn't expect that to change with Jolla.

I expect that they will make unlocked phones available, just like most GSM phone makers do.
I would agree with this and it would make sense to offer the carriers the option of a closed mobile OS too. They do like to add there own bloatware and are also aware of how much money can be made from Advertising as demonstrated by Google with Android too.

One of the problems the carriers have with Android is that whilst it is open enough for them to re-skin, they see very little in term of advertising revenue from there handsets because the money is going to Google. With a closed Jolla device they can reap the benefits of controlled mobile advertisements too knowing that the consumer will not be able to wipe the OS with a vanilla image.
 
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07-16-2012 , 02:56 PM
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"Locking" can mean many things. Starting from limiting the choice of the network provider, and ending with signed kernel limitations and locked bootloader. What we are concerned with is the later. I.e. will there be a way to unlock those on the device which is "regular" or one will have to use special developer device for that?

Simple use case where it might matter. Imagine someone creates a kernel module for supporting certain scenario (like USB host mode or what not). Open mode / device allows installing such module. Will the user of the "closed" mode able to unlock the device and use it too, or such user will be forced to buy another device to use it? That's the main point IMO, and concerns about fragmenting the user base.
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