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"Those who are familiar with Diablo (Maemo 4.2) will feel right at home with the N900: same on-screen keyboards (despite the phone having a hardware one) and it’s considerably easier to switch input languages than in S60-powered devices. All in all, not much has changed, it even sports the same memory setup. The phone’s 800x480 pixel resistive screen (pretty responsive, by the way) is great for watching videos and the kickstand mounted on the N900 only helps the experience. Perhaps they’ll decide to throw in a stylus into the box, much like the one that came with the Nokia N97."
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml
"Dialling Pad" ?!?
I don't have the thing in my hands, but screw it... I'm filing a bug anyways!
It's... it's beautiful. I have nothing else to say.
Apparently, the fullscreen hw key is now apparently a soft button in the upper left corner, and there is no ESC key. The $64,000 question is:
If you are in full screen mode, then how do you get out of full screen mode?
"dialling" is an acceptable British spelling.
The English is awkward in many places, and some of what was put forth I knew a year ago, BUT it was STILL very informative. Nice.
"dialling" is an acceptable British spelling.
Yes, the same country that brought us "Follow the sun" coverage as a formal term for 24-hour support (see ITIL V3 spec). :rolleyes:
Apparently, the fullscreen hw key is now apparently a soft button in the upper left corner, and there is no ESC key. The $64,000 question is:
If you are in full screen mode, then how do you get out of full screen mode?
Shaking? :)
zehjotkah
2009-08-19, 19:27
i hate this screenshot :-(
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr14.jpg
edit: forgot happy OS cloning ;-)
The English is awkward in many places, and some of what was put forth I knew a year ago, BUT it was STILL very informative. Nice.
Okay, it's out there. Cough up what you know. Information about other future products optional.
Shaking? :)
Ooo.... thank you accellerometer! :D
Okay, it's out there. Cough up what you know. Information about other future products optional.
No way! I see Peter lurking and my butt is still sore from the last spanking!
Shaking? :)
Transparent thing in the bottom right corner.
Or shaking.
sjgadsby
2009-08-19, 19:33
Shaking?
No, just trembling a little. This is very exciting!
Shaking? :)That's what I thought at first too! But then would that make it tricky (at the least) for an app to use the accelerometer for other functions while in full screen mode?
No way! I see Peter lurking and my butt is still sore from the last spanking!
Well, tell that story then. Actually no, don't tell that story.
zehjotkah
2009-08-19, 19:38
i don't understand that thing:
he says "Perhaps they’ll decide to throw in a stylus into the box, much like the one that came with the Nokia N97. "
but on this screenshot we can see the stylus:
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic10.jpg
???
"dialling" is an acceptable British spelling.
Only if he's running the tablet with EN_UK. :)
i don't understand that thing:
he says "Perhaps they’ll decide to throw in a stylus into the box, much like the one that came with the Nokia N97. "
but on this screenshot we can see the stylus:
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic10.jpg
???
Maybe that's a GPS antenna... :D
sjgadsby
2009-08-19, 19:41
I'm buying.
You read it here, folks. First round of RX-51s is on the rat!
Lord Raiden
2009-08-19, 19:44
It's a phone? Boo! I want a tablet!! :p
sachin007
2009-08-19, 19:45
"It won't become a hit, but at the same time the N900 is a milestone both for Nokia and the industry that won't just go unnoticed."
Why would it not be a hit?
deeteroderdas
2009-08-19, 19:47
I'm buying.
I want to, especially when they announce it'll work on AT&T's 3G network. But, >$780 ??
Only if he's running the tablet with EN_UK. :)
EN_GB, actually, and yes, as I say here (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=313191&postcount=1732), it is obvious from this screenshot.
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr19.jpg
zehjotkah
2009-08-19, 19:50
Maybe that's a GPS antenna... :D
o.O
i want to see a screenshot using the camera... xD
Well, tell that story then. Actually no, don't tell that story.
Hopefully you can come to Amsterdam too, and you and sjgadsby can do a Maemo-themed comedy routine together! :D
livefreeordie
2009-08-19, 19:51
"It won't become a hit, but at the same time the N900 is a milestone both for Nokia and the industry that won't just go unnoticed."
Why would it not be a hit?
Yeah, what the hell? It should certainly sell better than the N97, and I bet a lot of people are willing to pay the extra vs. the 5800 just because it runs Linux.
OR
Is it because the RX-71 is going to be even MORE awesome?
I want to, especially when they announce it'll work on AT&T's 3G network. But, >$780 ??
That's approximately what the iPhone 3GS costs, NPV...
pataphysician
2009-08-19, 19:52
To return from fullscreen, I assume you can set a keyboard shortcut under Control Panel/Bluetooth Keyboard/Shortcuts, just like the n810
These can be edited to any key combination you want.
Personally I hate the silly design aesthetic of no buttons on a sleek face of a phone. It's pure form over function, good tool design makes the function of the tool it's beauty. But phones seem to be sold more on sex appeal, than usefulness.
GeneralAntilles
2009-08-19, 19:52
You read it here, folks. First round of RX-51s is on the rat!
Hopefully they'll be on the ugly fish (http://www.internettablettalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/nokia-fish-logo.jpg) instead. Not much time for a discount program now, though. . . .
deeteroderdas
2009-08-19, 19:53
That's approximately what the iPhone 3GS costs, NPV...
Yah, I know. Still...
timsamoff
2009-08-19, 19:54
Not much time for a discount program now, though. . . .
Yeah, I was thinking about this today... Ugh.
Tim
sachin007
2009-08-19, 19:54
I still wish someone in the maemo community also gets to review it soon....
I know eldar has great reputation but i don't think he has the knowledge or experience about maemo when compared to most of our long term maemo community members.
zehjotkah
2009-08-19, 19:55
Ok, who leaked this. LOL
what do you want to say with this??? o.O
edit: oh, i'm sorry... that was a question...
i thought it was something like: ok, who leaked this made a good joke...
sjgadsby
2009-08-19, 19:56
Hopefully they'll be on the ugly fish (http://www.internettablettalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/nokia-fish-logo.jpg) instead. Not much time for a discount program now, though. . . .
I had hoped Nokia might begin the developer device program earlier this time, before the announcement/release even. I'd like to see developers have devices in their hand quickly after the release this time. In the past there's been some awkwardness with new-device-holding users begging for fixes, tweaks, and enhancements from developers still waiting for coupons.
EDIT: As qole correctly points out below, it's a bit early for me to write Nokia off already. The device announcement hasn't come yet, and there may be plenty of time between it and the release for Nokia to run a developer device program. My apologies.
i don't understand that thing:
he says "Perhaps they’ll decide to throw in a stylus into the box, much like the one that came with the Nokia N97. "
but on this screenshot we can see the stylus:
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic10.jpg
???
Maybe he means an extra stylus in the box - like it came with an N810 in the box.
That does look like a stylus in fact in the device.
I still wish someone in the maemo community also gets to review it soon....
Yeah, and I'll promise to sprinkle less dandruff on it.
I had hoped Nokia might begin the developer device program earlier this time, before the announcement/release even. I'd like to see developers have devices in their hand quickly after the release this time. In the past there's been some awkwardness with new-device-holding users begging for fixes, tweaks, and enhancements from developers still waiting for coupons.
Wow, that's a bit of a surprise... You're talking like this was an official announcement, not a leak by some Russian journalist with an illegal prototype! As you keep pointing out yourself, the announcement hasn't happened, let alone the release...
But I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in your post...
sachin007
2009-08-19, 20:03
By the way what is the bright circle on the left lower corner..... Led indicator?
To return from fullscreen, I assume you can set a keyboard shortcut under Control Panel/Bluetooth Keyboard/Shortcuts, just like the n810
These can be edited to any key combination you want.
But that would cripple Maemo 5 to the point where a keyboard would be necessary and limit the range of devices that can run it. Plus, you would have to slide open the keyboard, and hit two keys, which is rather awkward and a step backward for a UI that has been designed with a lot of thought.
Nice review. I would have liked to have seen more screenshots of portrait mode. Incidentally, when in portrait mode, does anyone know which side is the top? For example, in portrait mode, does the keyboard open to the left of the screen or to the right?
zehjotkah
2009-08-19, 20:07
By the way what is the bright circle on the left lower corner..... Led indicator?
i would say so...
because you can see it ?blinking? (don't know the correct word) on some photos...
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic01.jpg
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic04.jpg
By the way what is the bright circle on the left lower corner..... Led indicator?
I think that might be the new LED indicator which is hinted at in one of the control panel images.
sjgadsby
2009-08-19, 20:08
You're talking like this was an official announcement, not a leak by some Russian journalist with an illegal prototype! As you keep pointing out yourself, the announcement hasn't happened, let alone the release...
Yes, I was just thinking on that.
I've somehow come to accept Eldar's predicted September 2nd announcement date as a given, and I shouldn't. Besides, even if that is the announcement date, it does not mean that the release will immediately follow, as it has done with previous Maemo devices. Eldar himself states that the release will be late this year, so trusting him for the announcement date, but not the release date, makes the least sense of all. I've become too eager.
With all those pictures, the guy could have at least posted a screenshot of the browser's "About" page.
zehjotkah
2009-08-19, 20:09
Nice review. I would have liked to have seen more screenshots of portrait mode. Incidentally, when in portrait mode, does anyone know which side is the top? For example, in portrait mode, does the keyboard open to the left of the screen or to the right?
i would say open to the left, because then the earspeaker is on top...
sachin007
2009-08-19, 20:10
i would say open to the left, because then the earspeaker is on top...
And the mike hole is on the right!
Yes, I was just thinking on that.
I've somehow come to accept Eldar's predicted September 2nd announcement date as a given, and I shouldn't. Besides, even if that is the announcement date, it does not mean that the release will immediately follow, as it has done with previous Maemo devices. Eldar himself states that the release will be late this year, so trusting him for the announcement date, but not the release date, makes the least sense of all. I've become too eager.
The reason why I'm accepting his predicted September 2nd date is because it's the first day of Nokia World 2009 and as far as I know, that's where most of their new hardware is announced. It seems like it would be the perfect place to launch their latest and greatest... but yeah, I don't generally believe random Russian blogs. ;)
sachin007
2009-08-19, 20:11
There is also a PC- connectivity manager ...
sachin007
2009-08-19, 20:14
The full screen switch is not a hardware button.
Let's face it.. this whole screenshot-fest is preaching to the choir for most of us.
What I'm interested in is seeing how many of you were on the fence or weren't going to get it before and now, after seeing the screenshots, changed your minds. Or even people that were planning to, but saw something they didn't like and now won't.
Anyone?
sachin007
2009-08-19, 20:18
Multi-tasking! :D:D Take that iphone!
livefreeordie
2009-08-19, 20:20
I don't own a previous device. Is this virtual desktop functionality?
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr49.jpg
Told you it would have TV-Out!
pataphysician
2009-08-19, 20:26
But that would cripple Maemo 5 to the point where a keyboard would be necessary and limit the range of devices that can run it. Plus, you would have to slide open the keyboard, and hit two keys, which is rather awkward and a step backward for a UI that has been designed with a lot of thought.
True, which is why I thought it was a stupid aesthetic move. But in looking at the pictures I see a top button that looks like it could be a sleeker modified version of the _ fullscreen + key arrangement of the n800 top keys. but maybe it's not as it isn't clearly labeled with +_
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic20.jpg
Multi-tasking! :D:D Take that iphone!
Damn, it looks very good. Good work, Fremantle team!
zehjotkah
2009-08-19, 20:28
True, which is why I thought it was a stupid aesthetic move. But in looking at the pictures I see a top button that looks like it could be a sleeker modified version of the _ fullscreen + key arrangement of the n800 top keys. but maybe it's not as it isn't clearly labeled with +_
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic20.jpg
no. thats the camera button, the power button and the zoom buttons...
What I'm interested in is seeing how many of you were on the fence or weren't going to get it before and now, after seeing the screenshots, changed your minds.
I was sceptical and planned to skip this one but now I would buy it - if not the price.
BTW - apparently portrait mode is working only for phone mode and some apps like gallery. It is not universal.
Note from eldar himself.
Note from myself: according to this review and todays teasing he has device for some time, there could be changes in meantime. I hope for better :)
I had hoped Nokia might begin the developer device program earlier this time, before the announcement/release even. I'd like to see developers have devices in their hand quickly after the release this time. In the past there's been some awkwardness with new-device-holding users begging for fixes, tweaks, and enhancements from developers still waiting for coupons.
Ah yes... the infamous roadmap rears its potentially-ugly head once again... :D
You read it here, folks. First round of RX-51s is on the rat!
It'll be a very small round. :p
i hate this screenshot :-(
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr14.jpg
edit: forgot happy OS cloning ;-)
Eldar told that you're free to install apps into 32gb part. That's just something like "system" partition.
http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3934&stc=1&d=1250713084
Multi-tasking! :D:D Take that iphone!
Looks nice. I'm surprised the top-right X button to close an app doesn't look very finger friendly, though.
sjgadsby
2009-08-19, 20:36
Ah yes... the infamous roadmap rears its potentially-ugly head once again...
You and your roadmaps. You moonlighting with AAA or something?
danramos
2009-08-19, 20:38
I'm buying.
It's a phone? Boo! I want a tablet!! :p
Ditto... I'm still not impressed. Also.. WTH is it with the SIDE speakers lately (N810)? I still really prefer the N800's DPAD and speakers on the face. Screw the ipod flush face of uselessness.
hmm, so how easy will this thing be to "jailbreak"?
and it seems on have to pop the cover to get at the micro-sd...
oh, and whats that area next to the camera button? black square thing...
and finally, the UI looks like canola had a bastard child with hildon (not surprising me at least given how many fans there seems to be about canola, given the latest gsoc projects, it may well replace hildon desktop even on diablo). Still, that app switcher looked nice ;) (kinda like the frequently used pages of the chrome homepage)
Jayayess1190
2009-08-19, 20:39
Two questions:
1. Is this thick? Kind of looks like it.
2. Will it be available without phone features/contract?
no. thats the camera button, the power button and the zoom buttons...Maybe what he meant to say is that we are assuming that they are zoom buttons. I can't clearly make out the "+" or "-" either. Or maybe they are volume +/- buttons.
zehjotkah
2009-08-19, 20:41
Maybe what he meant to say is that we are assuming that they are zoom buttons. I can't clearly make out the "+" or "-" either. Or maybe they are volume +/- buttons.
trust me ;-)
btw. /me likes the new calendar http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr70.jpg
livefreeordie
2009-08-19, 20:43
Ditto... I'm still not impressed. Also.. WTH is it with the SIDE speakers lately (N810)? I still really prefer the N800's DPAD and speakers on the face. Screw the ipod flush face of uselessness.
My 5800 sounds best when placed on a desk. I think it's possible that the side speakers are designed to reflect off a more solid surface. The quality is amazing compared to my previous phone. (Or then it's just a lucky side effect)
danramos
2009-08-19, 20:44
Two questions:
1. Is this thick? Kind of looks like it.
2. Will it be available without phone features/contract?
I'm not sure that it looks any thicker than the N810s, no?
As for the availability without phone features and contract--that's the main point (#1) for me. I do NOT want to pay this obviously inflated price to suffer with a piece of radio I do not want to use or be stuck with a contract to a service provider I do not like or want.
You and your roadmaps. You moonlighting with AAA or something?
At heart I will always be a designer/illustrator/hiker. :D
danramos
2009-08-19, 20:45
My 5800 sounds best when placed on a desk. I think it's possible that the side speakers are designed to reflect off a more solid surface. The quality is amazing compared to my previous phone. (Or then it's just a lucky side effect)
My N800 sounds best whenever I use it--period. :) Face-speakers will always be better.
Let's face it.. this whole screenshot-fest is preaching to the choir for most of us.
What I'm interested in is seeing how many of you were on the fence or weren't going to get it before and now, after seeing the screenshots, changed your minds. Or even people that were planning to, but saw something they didn't like and now won't.
Anyone?
I wasn't planning on getting the device right away, but my definition of "not right away" has shortened.
jailbreak what exactly? Is the OS running in a chroot?
livefreeordie
2009-08-19, 20:47
hmm, so how easy will this thing be to "jailbreak"?
2. Will it be available without phone features/contract?
It's a Nokia, so YES. When will you Americans start demanding proper SIM cards? Things won't change until you stop paying for the jailed devices in the first place.
I do NOT want to pay this obviously inflated price to suffer with a piece of radio I do not want to use or be stuck with a contract to a service provider I do not like or want.
It's not inflated. It matches the cost of other similar devices, and is much better than all of them. Don't compare it to the old Maemo devices, which are much older.
It's a Nokia, so YES. When will you Americans start demanding proper SIM cards? Things won't change until you stop paying for the jailed devices in the first place.
no american here, not the "". what i was referring to was that as its now a phone, will nokia allow us somewhat easy access to root?
interesting how it stacks all the wireless tray icons in a 2x2 area, i am guessing that the two way transmission icon is the phone radio, and that there will be a gps icon along with them when its active.
My N800 sounds best whenever I use it--period. :) Face-speakers will always be better.
Hey, at least they didn't put them inside the keyboard drawer.
pataphysician
2009-08-19, 20:52
no. thats the camera button, the power button and the zoom buttons...
I was talking about just the zoom button, which could operate like an n800 but not be separate buttons, as this one seemed sort of long to just be zooms. so press one side or the other gets zooming, press in the middle get fullscreen. It seems stupid since there is room for a small fullscreen button on the top, not to have it there.
livefreeordie
2009-08-19, 20:52
no american here, not the "". what i was referring to was that as its now a phone, will nokia allow us somewhat easy access to root?
OK, sorry. Maybe it is a valid question. But I will say that if Nokia starts playing such games *now*, it's going to be a really weird strategic move considering they just switched to GPL software.
OK, sorry. Maybe it is a valid question. But I will say that if Nokia starts playing such games *now*, it's going to be a really weird strategic move considering they just switched to GPL software.
GPL2, not GPL3, so they can get away with "tivolizing" it, technically...
livefreeordie
2009-08-19, 20:54
GPL2, not GPL3, so they can get away with "tivolizing" it, technically...
Of course, but I meant that it would be weird for them to move towards more open and more closed at the same time.
I am existed to see a sync suite; I just hope it is as good as Nokia’s existing sync suite.
Love the FM transmitter, and Camera with Auto focus + Flash.
I am totally sold on Maemo, just concerned about some product design features.
I hope to see a heap of the existing apps out the box like SSH, RDP, and a contact manager I can access faster then Palm, and better build quality than my n810.
I would also like to see HSDPA for all regions, not just North America or Europe.
zehjotkah
2009-08-19, 21:02
on this photo we can see clearly that it is not oled...
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic08.jpg
danramos
2009-08-19, 21:20
It's not inflated. It matches the cost of other similar devices, and is much better than all of them. Don't compare it to the old Maemo devices, which are much older.
If it has a cell phone radio in it.. it's an inflated price. You don't have to compare it to the older Nokia devices.. simply look at ANY equivalent hardware at any point in time with and without a cellular radio (ie iPhone vs iTouch, Nokia tablets (n8x0) vs similar smartphones, Palm Tungsten T5/TX versus Palm Treo's). It seems as if you could easily shave off $300 or more from almost any device by simply not designing a cellular radio into it.
So yes.. it's inflated.
Hey, at least they didn't put them inside the keyboard drawer.
Good point. :) It COULD get worse.
nikolajhendel
2009-08-19, 21:21
1. Is this thick? Kind of looks like it.
Looks a bit thick I think. That would be my major gripe.
attila77
2009-08-19, 21:22
My N800 sounds best whenever I use it--period. :) Face-speakers will always be better.
No, seriously, side-speakers means less volume but more stereo separation (at least indoors, especially near furniture/walls) compared to face-speakers. Also, the top slide with the screen is thinner so you'd have weaker speakers there anyway even if you solved the layout problem.
PS. As for stylus - Eldar has a prototype from apparently months ago. For all we know, that thingy in the corner might be just a plastic placeholder and stylii will be there only for production devices.
The only thing I don't like is the statusbar. Kinda huge design fail, icons are too disordered. I'd rather do something like this: http://s55.radikal.ru/i148/0908/bc/d9042aff49d6.png
hmm, about that statusbar/tray, will it grow rightwards when more icons are put into it, removing the window title in the process?
livefreeordie
2009-08-19, 21:34
If it has a cell phone radio in it.. it's an inflated price. You don't have to compare it to the older Nokia devices.. simply look at ANY equivalent hardware at any point in time with and without a cellular radio (ie iPhone vs iTouch, Nokia tablets (n8x0) vs similar smartphones, Palm Tungsten T5/TX versus Palm Treo's). It seems as if you could easily shave off $300 or more from almost any device by simply not designing a cellular radio into it.
So yes.. it's inflated.
Actually, comparing the iPhone 8GB with the iPod Touch 8GB, it's currently 360 euros vs. 230 euros. That's a 130 euro markup for a much more capable device. I really don't think it's that bad.
hmm, about that statusbar/tray, will it grow rightwards when more icons are put into it, removing the window title in the process?
Why do you need a window title? Look at Google Chrome... :D
Cruelkix
2009-08-19, 21:38
http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn335/cruelkix/pic11.jpg
What is the toggle switch?
And the side speakers work fine for me except in loud enviornments where you need to stick the speaker up to your ear to hear. Cant watch a video and have speaker at your ear ... not that you can do that with front spekers either.
Over all, I like it. But really it doesnt look like its all that different(software wise) from Diablo. Lots of UI changes, but the main stuff is the same. I guess we knew that already but I was hoping for some bling bling I guess.
I'll def buy the tablet version if/when it comes out.
Jayayess1190
2009-08-19, 21:41
Wish they would make a cheaper version with no keyboard.
mobiledivide
2009-08-19, 21:45
What is the toggle switch?
.
I like it. But really it doesnt look like its all that different(software wise) from Diablo. Lots of UI changes, but the main stuff is the same. I guess we knew that already but I was hoping for some bling bling I guess.
.
toggle switch is the device lock slider.
This is my dream device, once I have this I won't upgrade for at least a year or two. Maemo, cellphone, hardware which can actually browse the web well, open source, 5mp camera, FM transmitter hardware keyboard and a smaller size to fit in my pocket. All of this was almost there with the N810 my favorite device of all time and now it is a few months away :D
Cruelkix
2009-08-19, 21:50
toggle switch is the device lock slider.
Ah!! That makes since. Forgot about that one. I have problems with that thing on my n810 sometimes ..... This one looks a little more robust (GOD I hate that word!!).
/rant
"You need to make your process more .. robust!" Ah, thanks boss, very helpful.... Goes along with "It is what it is...". Really? No f'ing way?!! What a waste of breath that is. Falls under the category of "Statments that make me want to slap people".
danramos
2009-08-19, 21:51
No, seriously, side-speakers means less volume but more stereo separation (at least indoors, especially near furniture/walls) compared to face-speakers. Also, the top slide with the screen is thinner so you'd have weaker speakers there anyway even if you solved the layout problem.
PS. As for stylus - Eldar has a prototype from apparently months ago. For all we know, that thingy in the corner might be just a plastic placeholder and stylii will be there only for production devices.
You would give up louder, directed audio for softer separation? The N800's speakers aren't exactly deep 6x9's either.. but they're plenty loud. The stereo separation was pretty darn good, too. I was hoping for that to come back. You know.. keep what works well and improve, bring back what worked in the N800's--not bring back what a lot of people didn't like in the N810's.
zehjotkah
2009-08-19, 21:54
You would give up louder, directed audio for softer separation? The N800's speakers aren't exactly deep 6x9's either.. but they're plenty loud. The stereo separation was pretty darn good, too. I was hoping for that to come back. You know.. keep what works well and improve, bring back what worked in the N800's--not bring back what a lot of people didn't like in the N810's.
but a lot of people like more the n810? what now?
Over all, I like it. But really it doesnt look like its all that different(software wise) from Diablo. Lots of UI changes, but the main stuff is the same. I guess we knew that already but I was hoping for some bling bling I guess.
Just curious, what kind of "bling bling" were you hoping for? Nice UI is where the "bling" usually is, but we've known for almost a year now that this baby's got a really big engine under the hood (Cortex A8) and a fantastic, open source OS (Debian-based Linux) under the UI.
That's all the "bling" I want. But I'm curious about what is missing for you?
zehjotkah
2009-08-19, 21:54
post #100
xD
Cruelkix
2009-08-19, 21:57
Just curious, what kind of "bling bling" were you hoping for? Nice UI is where the "bling" usually is, but we've known for almost a year now that this baby's got a really big engine under the hood (Cortex A8) and a fantastic, open source OS (Debian-based Linux) under the UI.
That's all the "bling" I want. But I'm curious about what is missing for you?
I'm looking for that "wholly crap " moment. I guess I'm just too up to date. If i were out of the loop I would probably be really impressed. Maybe a good video of it doing something slick will spur me more. I think someone needs to put out a nicer theme and it will look leaps and bounds better. This of course could be happening with the real launch. Who knows.
Cruelkix
2009-08-19, 21:58
post #100
xD
/offtopic
100+ posts in 3 hours .... thats gotta be some sort of record ...
I was not happy with volume levels for N800 or N810, especially the latter. I could rarely make out the GPS verbal instructions most of the time over road noise alone. I was informed that the N800 was capable of higher volume but it had been intentionally limited. Never got a good answer as to why though.
I just hope the next device is capable of being louder-- let ME decide if it's too loud and turn the volume down myself.
GeneralAntilles
2009-08-19, 22:00
With all those pictures, the guy could have at least posted a screenshot of the browser's "About" page.
https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mozilla/?root=browser
GeneralAntilles
2009-08-19, 22:00
hmm, so how easy will this thing be to "jailbreak"?
Elaborate? This aint no iPhone, there's an XTerm available out of the box. . . .
/offtopic
100+ posts in 3 hours .... thats gotta be some sort of record ...
Heh... I doubt it. ;)
sachin007
2009-08-19, 22:01
but a lot of people like more the n810? what now?
Exactly!
I had the same feeling when the n810 came out. I just thought it was just an improved n800 which i think was not worth the extra money. But after i bought it i realized how it was better than the n800 considering the keypad, gps and screen readability in sunlight. When compared to that the rover is a huge imporvement to the n810 and it has been a long while since the last update....
Believe me the "feeling that i will stick to my old tablets" will vanish very soon once you see the videos and reviews from forum members.
danramos
2009-08-19, 22:02
but a lot of people like more the n810? what now?
I have two problems with your posting, aside from the grammatical ambiguity:
1) I'm curious to know where you obtained that analysis. I would like to know satisfaction rates from 770 to N800 to N810 among purchasers and people who considered purchasing. I'm genuinely curious to see if it's gone up or down along the way. Has Nokia published this information anywhere?
2) I'm referring to the many people who criticized that specific aspect of the N810 (the side-speakers) when they began to buy them up and posted their critique. As I recall, there seemed to be a general opinion that the N800 had the much better audio arrangement.
GeraldKo
2009-08-19, 22:05
Looks a bit thick I think. That would be my major gripe.
According to prior leaked specs (http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/), yes, it
is thicker: 59.7 x 111 x 18.2mm
-- N810 was 72 × 128 × 14 mm
sachin007
2009-08-19, 22:05
I have two problems with your posting, aside from the grammatical ambiguity:
1) I'm curious to know where you obtained that analysis. I would like to know satisfaction rates from 770 to N800 to N810 among purchasers and people who considered purchasing. I'm genuinely curious to see if it's gone up or down along the way. Has Nokia published this information anywhere?
2) I'm referring to the many people who criticized that specific aspect of the N810 (the side-speakers) when they began to buy them up and posted their critique. As I recall, there seemed to be a general opinion that the N800 had the much better audio arrangement.
Well if the n800's speakers were better.... that advantage would be very minor compared to the real estate they would have increased on both sides of the device. A lot of people would prefer to have extended screen rather than front facing speakers.....
danramos
2009-08-19, 22:05
Believe me the "feeling that i will stick to my old tablets" will vanish very soon once you see the videos and reviews from forum members.
What about that 'feeling that I will consider an Android device or a Pandora or anyone who actually improves on the reasons I bought a tablet instead of a smart phone'?
sachin007
2009-08-19, 22:07
What about that 'feeling that I will consider an Android device or a Pandora or anyone who actually improves on the reasons I bought a tablet instead of a smart phone'?
Well that is your decision.... but Pandora... really? :rolleyes:
danramos
2009-08-19, 22:07
Well if the n800's speakers were better.... that advantage would be very minor compared to the real estate they would have increased on both sides of the device. A lot of people would prefer to have extended screen rather than front facing speakers.....
All that black unused space on either side of the displaying screen is... still screen?
I was not happy with volume levels for N800 or N810, especially the latter. I could rarely make out the GPS verbal instructions most of the time over road noise alone. I was informed that the N800 was capable of higher volume but it had been intentionally limited. Never got a good answer as to why though.
I just hope the next device is capable of being louder-- let ME decide if it's too loud and turn the volume down myself.
quick guess, french regulations. I bumped into something similar when looking into minidisc players, and people found that the ones sold in europe have the volume limited vs the asian and US versions, because of some french regulation.
So to be quick and cheap, nokia may well have just limited it to that level across the board...
All that black unused space on either side of the displaying screen is... still screen?
looks like speaker and mic. At least one side seems to have a small hole in it like one find on a phone...
sachin007
2009-08-19, 22:10
All that black unused space on either side of the displaying screen is... still screen?
Well i dont really know what that space was for... but my guess would be to put in all the phone stuff. Anyway if they wanted to increase the size of the device, i would think screen size would be the first and front spacing speakers will never figure in anyone's list except yours.....
quick guess, french regulations. I bumped into something similar when looking into minidisc players, and people found that the ones sold in europe have the volume limited vs the asian and US versions, because of some french regulation.
So to be quick and cheap, nokia may well have just limited it to that level across the board...
Maybe it's time Nokia ignored countries who make it hard on everyone else... :D
Hey, one way to effect change!
danramos
2009-08-19, 22:11
Well that is your decision.... but Pandora... really? :rolleyes:
"That's your decision?" is stating an obvious point. It doesn't really mean anything in a conversation. :) "Hopping on the N900... that's your decision." See? heh But Pandora, yeah--I think at this point, it still looks more attractive to me. I still prefer the clamshell as a more efficient way to hold all the hardware, I prefer two FULL SIZED SD card slots and I prefer the clamshell design to protect the screen, too. PLUS.. it's not a goofy slide-out keyboard. To that end, the keyboard is laid out VASTLY better. As to whether it'll turn out to be vaporware is another thing.. but I do prefer the overall product over this cell-phone device Nokia wants tablet people to buy.
The full screen switch is not a hardware button.
Yup... I'm thinkin' the Digia @Web (http://www.digia.com/C2256FEF0043E9C1/0/405001847) browser we played with awhile back may have given us a clue or two. :)
Actually, comparing the iPhone 8GB with the iPod Touch 8GB, it's currently 360 euros vs. 230 euros. That's a 130 euro markup for a much more capable device. I really don't think it's that bad.
A 56% markup isn't too bad. But in the States, you're looking at 162% markup.
That is, an 8GB iPod Touch is $229. An un-subsidized, no-contract-required iPhone 3G 8GB is around $599 (at least according to the news stories, I've yet to see one available at that price.)
Now, carrier subsidized, the phone is $99. But it requires a 2-year, $30/month data plan. As I spend my day at a computer, and have one readily available at home, I can think of better things to do with that $720.
I'm just sayin' - not everyone needs or wants a data plan.
danramos
2009-08-19, 22:14
looks like speaker and mic. At least one side seems to have a small hole in it like one find on a phone...
So they made space for a mic, but they were challenged to find space for a relatively flat speaker like the kind you find in the previous tablets or in these newer Nintendo DS machines. I'm not sure it was a matter of space so much as the need to make it LOOK more like an iPhone. Yanno.. copying their look.
Well i dont really know what that space was for... but my guess would be to put in all the phone stuff. Anyway if they wanted to increase the size of the device, i would think screen size would be the first and front spacing speakers will never figure in anyone's list except yours.....
It's possible that I may, in fact, be the only person who wanted louder, front-facing speakers. :)
ColdFusion
2009-08-19, 22:15
Well they almost ignore the US already. ;)
zehjotkah
2009-08-19, 22:19
I have two problems with your posting, aside from the grammatical ambiguity:
1) I'm curious to know where you obtained that analysis. I would like to know satisfaction rates from 770 to N800 to N810 among purchasers and people who considered purchasing. I'm genuinely curious to see if it's gone up or down along the way. Has Nokia published this information anywhere?
2) I'm referring to the many people who criticized that specific aspect of the N810 (the side-speakers) when they began to buy them up and posted their critique. As I recall, there seemed to be a general opinion that the N800 had the much better audio arrangement.
i'm sorry for that. my main language is german, second language spanish, third language portuguese and only on the last place is english... i hope you understand that. also i'm too tired to write upper case letters (here is after midnight). my post was not intented to be an offense. it's just, that i'm often reading, that the n800 is so much better than the n810, and the n810 is so bad quality and so on... i just wanted to say, that i like the n810 more than the n800 because of the metal backplate, the transflective screen (vs. reflective) and the smaller form factor. for me the form factor was the biggest deal, and i love the design of the n810, but i hate the design of the n800. i don't need the two full sd card slot, because i've an extra hard-disk mp3 player...
overall i think that nobody can say, that this or that device is better.. it is just better suited for the needings of different people. the fact is, that we can't design ourselves the devices and we must find the device that is best-suited for us.
1) i don't have any statistics regarding that. but the n810 was sold much more than the n800.
2) that is possible, but i would prefer the speakers on the side and a better design of the device instead of a slightly better soundquality and (in my opinion) bad design. if i want to hear music (or in my case watch movies) i go with in-earphones. that gives even higher quality.
I'm just sayin' - not everyone needs or wants a data plan.
Not to mention that in the US, Verizon and AT&T are slowly changing everything in that regard:
http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/verizon-kick-starting-us-wifi/
Cruelkix
2009-08-19, 22:21
It's possible that I may, in fact, be the only person who wanted louder, front-facing speakers. :)
I agree with louder. Front facing doesnt really do much for me. Personally, people are often very surprised at the speaker strength that I get from the n810. I havent used a single Handheld that sounds as loud or as clear.
Louder Louder Louder, as long as it doesnt sound like $h*t.
livefreeordie
2009-08-19, 22:22
A 56% markup isn't too bad. But in the States, you're looking at 162% markup.
That is, an 8GB iPod Touch is $229. An un-subsidized, no-contract-required iPhone 3G 8GB is around $599 (at least according to the news stories, I've yet to see one available at that price.)
Ouch, that's pretty bad. Still, considering all the hardware in it, I think the rumored price for the N900 is quite reasonable. I've always paid for phones up front, and frankly I was expecting it to be even more. If you look at the manufacturers' profit margins, it's only Apple that's managing to charge huge premiums like that (big surprise there :rolleyes: ).
I agree with louder. Front facing doesnt relly do much for me. Personally, people are often very surprised and the speaker strength that I get from the n810. I havent used a single Handheld that sounds as loud or as clear.
Louder Louder Louder, as long as it doesnt sound like $h*t.
I would just be happy to hear the N810's GPS on a rural road.
Cruelkix
2009-08-19, 22:24
I would just be happy to hear the N810's GPS on a rural road.
Really? I hate that crap. I always turn teh voices and sounds off. Drives me crazy. All you need is the map. Maybe a chime to tell you when a turn is coming up, but the voices, oh the voices, how I hate them. "Make a U-turn" ugh
I've had an N810 for two months now.
I like the device a LOT but I find that the applications and software that is available to it is very amateurish (is that a word?) and/or not supported anymore.
I would have gotten this device if it had run on another operating system.
Will not buy anything where I don't feel that it's supported by the manufacturer (like in the case with the N810) as the hardware looks great. Maybe Nokia should give up on trying to do s/w - or to try to 'outsource' it to an unpaid community. I thought that was why they bought Symbian as they realized their shortcoming in the area.
Anyway, to each his own. I respect anyone who wants to 'keep at it' with this operating system but it's simply not for me.
A 56% markup isn't too bad. But in the States, you're looking at 162% markup.
That is, an 8GB iPod Touch is $229. An un-subsidized, no-contract-required iPhone 3G 8GB is around $599 (at least according to the news stories, I've yet to see one available at that price.)
Now, carrier subsidized, the phone is $99. But it requires a 2-year, $30/month data plan. As I spend my day at a computer, and have one readily available at home, I can think of better things to do with that $720.
I'm just sayin' - not everyone needs or wants a data plan.
For $599, you can get an unlocked 16GB 3GS now. That's a Cortex A8 device with a decent amount of ram. Right now Apple has the 3G 8GB at $499, but the rumor is that soon they'll replace that price point with a 3GS 8GB.
Cruelkix
2009-08-19, 22:27
For $599, you can get an unlocked 16GB 3GS now. That's a Cortex A8 device with a decent amount of ram. Right now Apple has the 3G 8GB at $499, but the rumor is that soon they'll replace that price point with a 3GS 8GB.
How much is the 32GB upgrade worth to you?
attila77
2009-08-19, 22:27
I would just be happy to hear the N810's GPS on a rural road.
I thought the N810 was quiet, too. Then I discovered some 3rd party mixers (like aumix). No idea how all that mixing correlates (and pushing sliders CAN get you weird combos), but it can get stuff LOUD.
I always like the idea of having a phone and a tablet with me.
But since I get my Android phone, the tablet is being used very few times now..
I used to connect via bt (was painful, but you didn't have to do it all the time) to my SE phone and it was very usable then.
Then Android made me discover the wonder of being always on-line the way it was meant to be. Always, not Whenever you've got a connection.
But what I am missing in this Android phone is:
a) screen real estate
b) a keyboard, a physical one
The N900 has both. I will definitely love it, I would love to buy it as well when it comes out.
But.. I am sure I'll miss the complete google interoperability of the Android phone.
My Contacts, Mail, Calendar, Docs, Pictures and so on, where right on my phone in a nicely formatted way.
I would like the new Nokia browser to show me the mobile version of some sites (Google ones for example), while showing ALL of its potential on the other websites.
I know it's fast enough to handle them, but I will never use Gmail on a 800x480 3.5" screen.
Good job Nokia, this is the right move.
Just let us know when we can apply for the developer program :D
(even though, I have the feeling it won't come this year :( )
Anidel
So they made space for a mic, but they were challenged to find space for a relatively flat speaker like the kind you find in the previous tablets or in these newer Nintendo DS machines. I'm not sure it was a matter of space so much as the need to make it LOOK more like an iPhone. Yanno.. copying their look.
It's possible that I may, in fact, be the only person who wanted louder, front-facing speakers. :)
It's possible. :)
Dude, relax... this N900 will be jim dandy a year or so after release. I figure with a harmattan device on deck, the price of these units will be halved soon enough. :cool:
After 2 1/2 years with an N800 I jumped when a member recently offered his N810 for $150. Nothing wrong with the N800 but that was the best $150 I ever spent on a gadget. IMHO the N810's sound is a little tinnier but actually louder than the N800's
BTW, there are quite a few devices with an improved N800's feature set about to come to market... just not from Nokia. :)
***
How 'bout american football then? Hide your beagle, Vick's an Eagle. :D
i don't understand that thing:
he says "Perhaps they’ll decide to throw in a stylus into the box, much like the one that came with the Nokia N97. "
but on this screenshot we can see the stylus:
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic10.jpg
???
He's talking about a second stylus in the box.
The real quote is :
"Perhaps they’ll decide to throw in an extra stylus into the box (since the N900 already comes with one built into its casing), much like the one that came with the Nokia N97."
Notice the "extra" stylus.
anidel
GeraldKo
2009-08-19, 22:34
I won't be buying it at this point, but I can't blame Nokia. I'm the opposite of the target audience! My N800 does everything I need, and I'm a price-point late-adopter. It's just going to have to get cheaper. And then there's going to have to be a cheap data plan like the cellphone plans that charge you only for usage, not by the month.
I'm also not sold on the pure finger UI; I like a stylus-oriented UI. And, even more, I like the bigger N8x0 screen. (Though I'll be interested to see how people on this forum -- especially older, presbyopic types, who also browse and read a lot on the device -- like the screen once they own the N900.)
Ultimately, Nokia may have to blame Bundyo for a lost sale :D; were it not for tear, I might have felt the need to upgrade for the greater horsepower.
How much is the 32GB upgrade worth to you?
$100? That's the difference I paid to get the 32GB 3GS over the 16GB version.
zehjotkah
2009-08-19, 22:36
He's talking about a second stylus in the box.
The real quote is :
"Perhaps they’ll decide to throw in an extra stylus into the box (since the N900 already comes with one built into its casing), much like the one that came with the Nokia N97."
Notice the "extra" stylus.
anidel
he must have changed that. i've copy and pasted that directly from his preview...
Well, that makes sense. He also corrected "Freemantle" at the start of the article.
ARJWright
2009-08-19, 22:45
Nice analysis by Eldar at the beginning; is this community ready for the attention?
---
I have two N97s right beside me right now; hardware on this looks very, very similar. If the build quality of the first one I got, regardless of price, Nokia has a winner and then some.
Subsidized, this device will be $399-499 USD. A subsidy making it cheaper than that says that this device will be a huge success; and I think it will, but like the Ford FiveHundred, not initially, only after its seen on the road a bit.
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The UI/UX team gets my sincere applause. Thank you.
EDIT: Small request for the next time you make a genre-bending device though: take a chance and reinvent the way communications are done (http://ideas.symbian.org/Idea/View?ideaid=1541). That would have natched both techies and consumers in the intended facility.
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Eldar always writes in a way to make you see the next steps if you read the lines carefully. The RX-71 should be very, very ground breaking. Nokia's CEO made a comment once about netbooks being nothing more than smaller laptops, that Nokia understands the difference between a computer that's mobile and doing mobile computing. I'm very intrigued, and think that the keyboard-shifting model is coming, with Maemo 5.
attila77
2009-08-19, 22:45
Heh, still lists Diablo as Maemo 4.2, though :)
sachin007
2009-08-19, 22:47
Nice analysis by Eldar at the beginning; is this community ready for the attention?
---
I have two N97s right beside me right now; hardware on this looks very, very similar. If the build quality of the first one I got, regardless of price, Nokia has a winner and then some.
Subsidized, this device will be $399-499 USD. A subsidy making it cheaper than that says that this device will be a huge success; and I think it will, but like the Ford FiveHundred, not initially, only after its seen on the road a bit.
---
The UI/UX team gets my sincere applause. Thank you.
---
Eldar always writes in a way to make you see the next steps if you read the lines carefully. The RX-71 should be very, very ground breaking. Nokia's CEO made a comment once about netbooks being nothing more than smaller laptops, that Nokia understands the difference between a computer that's mobile and doing mobile computing. I'm very intrigued, and think that the keyboard-shifting model is coming, with Maemo 5.
I assume the subsidised version would be below 300$ .... more like 250-270. But if they get it to compete with the iphone 3gs at 199$... then we are talking about a war.
Well, that makes sense. He also corrected "Freemantle" at the start of the article.
Yes, thank you Eldar for the article and the fixes.
sachin007
2009-08-19, 23:01
I assume the subsidised version would be below 300$ .... more like 250-270. But if they get it to compete with the iphone 3gs at 199$... then we are talking about a war.
Of course if i am not wrong there is the 25$ unlimited data and messages plan... that will save 24x5 = 120$ for 2 years and free unlimited sms...
so 279 should be a perfect price......
Ouch, that's pretty bad. Still, considering all the hardware in it, I think the rumored price for the N900 is quite reasonable. .
I don't disagree on the price assessment. But if I don't want "the hardware in it," it's hardly a good price for me. heh!
I know I'm a oddball when it comes to handhelds these days. But I'm not looking for a smartphone as much as I'm looking for a digital notepad. I use my Palm TX to carry data with me for ready access, and only occasionally use it to access the Internet.
I never thought that I'D be a dinosaur. That was always my dad!
Awesome :)
Cortex A8 looking good. Loving the blurred backdrops on modal windows, and the minimized tasks on the desktop.
danramos
2009-08-19, 23:12
i'm sorry for that. my main language is german, second language spanish, third language portuguese and only on the last place is english... i hope you understand that. also i'm too tired to write upper case letters (here is after midnight). my post was not intented to be an offense.
Oh dude! I was just pointing out that I thought the grammar left your point a bit too ambiguous for debate. I didn't interpret it in any offensive way. We're all just debating and talking here. I hope my reply didn't come off as offensive and I apologize if it did. Also.. Portuguese? Cool! That's my second language. :)
Ouch, that's pretty bad. Still, considering all the hardware in it, I think the rumored price for the N900 is quite reasonable. I've always paid for phones up front, and frankly I was expecting it to be even more. If you look at the manufacturers' profit margins, it's only Apple that's managing to charge huge premiums like that (big surprise there :rolleyes: ).
Oh it's quite reasonable.. if you wanted a cell phone. Ugh. This point can never be emphasized enough--this device is less and less the Internet Tablet that some of us bought into and it's more smart-phone than tablet.
How much is the 32GB upgrade worth to you?
Yyyyeaaahh... on that.. why? I'd rather use SDHC. I didn't really appreciate the move to even tinier SD-related cards much less the push for even MORE flash in the device to bump up that aforementioned 'reasonable' price even less reasonable for some of us that don't think we'll use 32GB.
Dude, relax... this N900 will be jim dandy a year or so after release. I figure with a harmattan device on deck, the price of these units will be halved soon enough. :cool:
Fair enough. Good point, but I doubt it'll be anywhere near what I'll want to pay for what I actually WANTED (an Internet Tablet, not en effin' cell phone radio in a smartphone).
BTW, there are quite a few devices with an improved N800's feature set about to come to market... just not from Nokia. :)
I've been saying that all along as one of my points about attrition.
I won't be buying it at this point, but I can't blame Nokia. I'm the opposite of the target audience! My N800 does everything I need, and I'm a price-point late-adopter. It's just going to have to get cheaper. And then there's going to have to be a cheap data plan like the cellphone plans that charge you only for usage, not by the month.
I'm also not sold on the pure finger UI; I like a stylus-oriented UI. And, even more, I like the bigger N8x0 screen. (Though I'll be interested to see how people on this forum -- especially older, presbyopic types, who also browse and read a lot on the device -- like the screen once they own the N900.)
Ultimately, Nokia may have to blame Bundyo for a lost sale :D; were it not for tear, I might have felt the need to upgrade for the greater horsepower.
Amen! God.. just... AMEN all-around.
this baby's got a really big engine under the hood (Cortex A8) and a fantastic, open source OS (Debian-based Linux) under the UI.
No no no no no no no, according to a screenshot, it only "includes certain free/open source software" :mad:
I'm also not sold on the pure finger UI; I like a stylus-oriented UI. And, even more, I like the bigger N8x0 screen. (Though I'll be interested to see how people on this forum -- especially older, presbyopic types, who also browse and read a lot on the device -- like the screen once they own the N900.)
You know what's really frustrating for me? Of course you don't. "Let me 'splain. No. There is too much. Let me sum up."
I used to be at the front of the acquisition curve! I had "it" before anyone else in the department.
I had a PalmPilot Pro - then a III - then a Vx - then an m500 just to get the SD expansion - then an m515 because Palm improved the color screen. Then I sat around for a few years before buying a Palm TX 3 years back.
Slowly, ever so slowly, I went from being "the geek with the cool new gadget" to "the old coot with the outdated hardware."
That, my friends, was a PAINFUL realization. ;)
danramos
2009-08-19, 23:38
no no no no no no no, according to a screenshot, it only "includes certain free/open source software" :mad:
and another thing...! :)
ARJWright
2009-08-19, 23:54
You know what's really frustrating for me? Of course you don't. "Let me 'splain. No. There is too much. Let me sum up."
I used to be at the front of the acquisition curve! I had "it" before anyone else in the department.
I had a PalmPilot Pro - then a III - then a Vx - then an m500 just to get the SD expansion - then an m515 because Palm improved the color screen. Then I sat around for a few years before buying a Palm TX 3 years back.
Slowly, ever so slowly, I went from being "the geek with the cool new gadget" to "the old coot with the outdated hardware."
That, my friends, was a PAINFUL realization. ;)
There was an article that I did at Brighthand some months back, it was titled "Ahead and Behind at the Same Time;" as mobile technology gets to the point of being more accessible, usable, and affordable, those things that defined power users change.
Within that those is the necessity for companies to not only flesh things out (aka making it available to a wider audience), but also flesh out new areas of innovation and opportunity.
I know its sad that others have cooler gadgets that work with less pain that you; but that's when you as the user at the very edge of the curve needs to take a look at what's next and move there. Only then can the circle of tech life come back around to that point where you will be at the front, and others will be waiting for you to get the bugs out so that you don't look as cool anymore.
I know its sad that others have cooler gadgets that work with less pain that you; but that's when you as the user at the very edge of the curve needs to take a look at what's next and move there. Only then can the circle of tech life come back around to that point where you will be at the front, and others will be waiting for you to get the bugs out so that you don't look as cool anymore.
That's a nice thought. (And I'm not being dismissive. I truly think it's a nice thought.)
But what if "what's next" doesn't provide an option to do what I need it to do? Specifically, I'm thinking about how I can't seem to find a program for Android or Maemo that does what ThinkDB did for my Palm Vx. But there are other "issues."
Users like me used to be THE marketplace. Now we're just a small part of it, and we're not economically powerful enough to really affect change. I recognize this, and can accept it. Which is probably healthy since I'm not a programmer and couldn't do anything to "fix" it myself.
But it still leaves me without an upgrade path. Although, an n900 (without cellular) and the Access Garnet Emulator could keep me in business for a few more years.
Yeah, yeah. I know. "Suck it up, you old codger." And I'm not even 40! :D
Really? I hate that crap. I always turn teh voices and sounds off. Drives me crazy. All you need is the map. Maybe a chime to tell you when a turn is coming up, but the voices, oh the voices, how I hate them. "Make a U-turn" ugh
When you have a family as distracting as mine, you will BEG for those voice directions. :D
I've gotta eat some crow on this. : /
Wayyy back when the idea of a cell-enabled version became a really hot topic here, I urged everyone to be calm, that the odds were we would see multiple variants (ie, options) as the platform matured, and I assumed product release plans would be reasonable.
This was not part of inside info (at that point I was not getting much) but more along the lines of common sense.
Oops.
I am really, really sorry for that guys. :(
I had hoped Nokia might begin the developer device program earlier this time, before the announcement/release even. I'd like to see developers have devices in their hand quickly after the release this time. In the past there's been some awkwardness with new-device-holding users begging for fixes, tweaks, and enhancements from developers still waiting for coupons.
EDIT: As qole correctly points out below, it's a bit early for me to write Nokia off already. The device announcement hasn't come yet, and there may be plenty of time between it and the release for Nokia to run a developer device program. My apologies.
I've been thinking some more...
I think qgil has been trying to say that there might already be something going on here... He's said on a few occasions that developers who put their apps in the wiki or who show interest in getting Telepathy working in Fremantle won't regret it, and that it would be worth their while...
So developers, get your asses in gear!
pataphysician
2009-08-20, 00:31
I like the device overall, but it seems like the could have fit a 4.3" screen on there without changing the dimensions, or only changing them a little, to say iphone length and width (though not depth). That would have cinched the deal for me. Most of a 4.3" screen difference to a 3.5" is in length, and there seems to some unused real estate in the length on one side.
Although I like the device, I've lived with my current phone in one iteration or another for almost 2 years.
I used my tablet to augment the things my iPhone couldn't do, vice versa. And oddly enough, I don't like carrying around my music on my phone - kills the battery when I might actually need it.
I'm not the typical user though, not by a longshot. Hearing what level of Flash will be supported, the commitment to the platform - sorta need to hear that this will be updated at least a few times and not just one minor update then dropped.
Also, hearing what vendors will be backing this... and gotta ask. Is there not a forward facing camera?
I'm on the fence, as it stands in this iteration as a phone. But I think Nokia has done a good job.
pataphysician
2009-08-20, 01:20
Although I like the device, I've lived with my current phone in one iteration or another for almost 2 years.
I used my tablet to augment the things my iPhone couldn't do, vice versa. And oddly enough, I don't like carrying around my music on my phone - kills the battery when I might actually need it.
I'm not the typical user though, not by a longshot. Hearing what level of Flash will be supported, the commitment to the platform - sorta need to hear that this will be updated at least a few times and not just one minor update then dropped.
Also, hearing what vendors will be backing this... and gotta ask. Is there not a forward facing camera?
I'm on the fence, as it stands in this iteration as a phone. But I think Nokia has done a good job.
There seems to be two things above the microphone, one rectanglish and above that, one round, the round could be a front facing low resolution web cam.
vkv.raju
2009-08-20, 02:00
There seems to be two things above the microphone, one rectanglish and above that, one round, the round could be a front facing low resolution web cam.
Proximity aka light sensor may be...
Two questions:
1. Is this thick? Kind of looks like it.
2. Will it be available without phone features/contract?
1) Yes, it seems a touch chubby but then the thickness and rounded corners will make it easier to type comfortably.
2) Yes, you buy it and dont put a sim in it. :rolleyes: Seemplz ;)
The 550 euros at launch which will come down to 475 euros within weeks of release, its half the price of an iPhone 3GS (899) and similar to the HTC Hero.
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vkv.raju
2009-08-20, 02:10
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At 550 euros at launch which will come down to 475 euros within weeks of release, its half the price of an iPhone and simular to the HTC Hero.
Did you say similar???????
hmm, so how easy will this thing be to "jailbreak"?
erm... being jailbroken ie you can install and do what you want with the device is the idea of Maemo, unless i missed something and Nokia have locked it down for Freemantle.
Did you say similar???????
I did... Why?
vkv.raju
2009-08-20, 02:37
I did... Why?
Purely from a hardware stand point of view:
htc hero uses an old processor Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz where as n900 uses OMAP3430 which is currently powered at 600mhz and can be geared upto 1ghz.
Also, the TV-Out feature.
All-in-all, apart from the form factor (this is a personal choice), N900 is great and undoubtedly superior than the hero!
Purely from a hardware stand point of view:
htc hero uses an old processor Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz where as n900 uses OMAP3430 which is currently powered at 600mhz and can be geared upto 1ghz.
Also, the TV-Out feature.
All-in-all, apart from the form factor (this is a personal choice), N900 is great and undoubtedly superior than the hero!I would think the HTC Touch Pro2 would be a more interesting comparison.
a couple of things:
1. Is that (http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr29.jpg) Jaffa's 'Attitude' app? Makes you wonder....
2. Is this (http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr73.jpg) the task switcher in 'select' mode?
I really like the use of focus in the UI, pretty intuitive I think to navigate
Good show Nokia! Now, when can I get one, and can you convince Ted Rogers to lower his data costs!!?
vkv.raju
2009-08-20, 02:50
I would think the HTC Touch Pro2 would be a more interesting comparison.
Well, Touch Pro2 (http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/specification.html) too uses the same old hardware but includes the TV-Out feature. On top of that, it uses Windows Mobile 6.1.
Comparison between WinMo and Maemo is worthless I guess.
Nice analysis by Eldar at the beginning; is this community ready for the attention?
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I have two N97s right beside me right now; hardware on this looks very, very similar. If the build quality of the first one I got, regardless of price, Nokia has a winner and then some.
Subsidized, this device will be $399-499 USD. A subsidy making it cheaper than that says that this device will be a huge success; and I think it will, but like the Ford FiveHundred, not initially, only after its seen on the road a bit.
Subsidized or on contract as we call it, it will be free in the UK. $399 on anything higher than a $20 contract would be a rip-off.
Expect to see something like this on 18month contracts;
£35pm > £99
£40pm > £65
£50pm > £0
Eldar always writes in a way to make you see the next steps if you read the lines carefully. The RX-71 should be very, very ground breaking. Nokia's CEO made a comment once about netbooks being nothing more than smaller laptops, that Nokia understands the difference between a computer that's mobile and doing mobile computing. I'm very intrigued, and think that the keyboard-shifting model is coming, with Maemo 5.
Yes, expect this to be the first of many devices to come in different shapes an sizes.
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Well, Touch Pro2 (http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/specification.html) too uses the same old hardware but includes the TV-Out feature. On top of that, it uses Windows Mobile 6.1.
Comparison between WinMo and Maemo is worthless I guess.Yes, as a user, don't compare the OS, but the UI and other similarities of the devices. Touch Pro 2 is closer to being HTC's flagship device and a competitor to N900 than the Hero I think.
Purely from a hardware stand point of view:
htc hero uses an old processor Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz where as n900 uses OMAP3430 which is currently powered at 600mhz and can be geared upto 1ghz.
Also, the TV-Out feature.
All-in-all, apart from the form factor (this is a personal choice), N900 is great and undoubtedly superior than the hero!
Yep, thats my point. For a similar price point, you get a whole lot more.
To be honest, the Hero is a bit cheaper at £399 but offers less in hardware terms.
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WOW! I hope the device is cheap, but I'd pay a LOT for it.
Two things:
1) Where is the 'kick stand' in the pictures? I don't see any stand at all.
2) The reason there is not a 'full screen' button is probably because in the new UI there is no 'side bar' so apps are always full screen.
vkv.raju
2009-08-20, 03:10
Yep, thats my point. For a similar price point, you get a whole lot more.
To be honest, the Hero is a bit cheaper at £399 but offers less in hardware terms.
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I can't further comment as the price of n900 is yet unknown. But you are right, if the price of the N900 is astronomical, it doesn't make any sense and fails to leave a mark which Nokia intends to do.
Well, UI of the N900 (the one from the recent screenshots) appear to be nothing short of awesome. They will definitely be of equal appeal to the end-user.
The diff is Nokia is trying to take the user-experience to the next level with N900. The new hardware enables it to do so. Whereas, HTC is milking the cow with the same stuff but in different form factors!
WOW! I hope the device is cheap, but I'd pay a LOT for it.
Two things:
1) Where is the 'kick stand' in the pictures? I don't see any stand at all.
Its part of the camera surround, it flicks out like the N86.
Expect to pay $700 US.
http://mediafiles.allaboutsymbian.com/n86/images/stand-tb.jpg
The diff is Nokia is trying to take the user-experience to the next level with N900. The new hardware enables it to do so. Whereas, HTC is milking the cow with the same stuff but in different form factors!
I wouldnt knock HTC, they make good stuff but has always been let down by WM.
The latest stuff with Android is very good and the sense UI is a good experience, they just need to expand on the Android based hardware.
I can see myself dual booting the N900 with Maemo/ Android at some point. :D
mobiledivide
2009-08-20, 04:59
Its part of the camera surround, it flicks out like the N86.
Expect to pay $700 US.
http://mediafiles.allaboutsymbian.com/n86/images/stand-tb.jpg
Expect to pay $700 on the day its released, $599 within a week or two and probably it will settle at $500-$525 unlocked within 2 months. Nokia have also been having some really good sales at their online shop, I got my 5800 for about 40% off MSRP.
Yikes, theres more from Eldar.
http://www.mobile-review.com/lj/1959.jpg
The first view is ready ...
When will publish until it decided. I think not to tip out all together, wait and see how ustakanitsya information on the N900, then this "miracle" will. The device is surprisingly good, although I have long doubted him like the idea ... The questions to answer is not ready:)
But perhaps few would suggest tizerov on the road to the title
:confused:
You know what amazes me about all this?
Actually seeing people who have never seen or touched a Maemo device before saying they're "looking forward to Harmattan".
I assume the subsidised version would be below 300$ .... more like 250-270. But if they get it to compete with the iphone 3gs at 199$... then we are talking about a war.
Please identify your hope and wishes separately from objective analysis :D We know it's quite unlikely (for both scenarios).
I feel a bit proud :)
Even if I'm a bit sad that we skiped Diablo's update and go directly to Fremantle, I feel that all the years of hacking our tablets something good came out of it.
sachin007
2009-08-20, 06:21
Please identify your hope and wishes separately from objective analysis :D We know it's quite unlikely (for both scenarios).
Why do you think that it will not compete with the iphone? And why do you think that price point is not possible?
Why do you think that it will not compete with the iphone? And why do you think that price point is not possible?
I think the RX-51 is a very promising device and Maemo is a very promising platform. I like them and I'm rooting for them, but I don't think it's fair to pit them with iPhonewhich is now in their 3rd iteration. Maybe in technical terms it can compete, but when you say it in general term (marketshare, popularity, customer satisfaction)... The Pre and Androids have much better chance going against the iPhone than NIT+Maemo at this point. IMHO.
I think the RX-51 is a very promising device and Maemo is a very promising platform. I like them and I'm rooting for them, but I don't think it's fair to pit them with iPhonewhich is now in their 3rd iteration. Maybe in technical terms it can compete, but when you say it in general term (marketshare, popularity, customer satisfaction)... The Pre and Androids have much better chance going against the iPhone than NIT+Maemo at this point. IMHO.
Refresh my memory please... Why are you here? I mean on a Maemo enthusiasts board... You spend a lot of time here. We see your remarks in just about every active thread. Whats the point of your involvement?
Just wondering... :)
Omg! Amazing. I'll buy it instantly once it gets out. This is the device I've been waiting for ever since I bought my last normal phone.
Hi,
I am new here and as a non-native English speaker, I apologize for possible misspellings in advance.
I wonder that nobody has commented on the long "vertical OS" part of the first review. If this "vertical development" is true, the N900 is just the first gadget of much bigger family. We should see Maemo phones, NIT's/MIT's, tablets and netbooks in the future... or should we?
Another interesting point is lately announced Nokia-Microsoft cooperation project on mobile office development. Should we see MS office package and sync with Maemo in the future or is it just for S60? How long will the S60 hold the place of business workhorse? Can Maemo take its place?
I would very gladly see wider selection of hardware and software for Maemo platform. Many years NIT hardware was the best in its category (superior screen), but not any more. There is still not enough applications for Maemo. The platform needs also the support from the commercial software side I think and right now the Maemo OS popularity is just too small. Out there are very good PIM's, e-readers (for DRM) and many other special applications, not available for Maemo. This will change soon, _if_ the Maemo family grows bigger.
Architengi
2009-08-20, 07:25
Very nice device.
Good it will be out this year, because I really want this device and I was waiting for it for some time now.
From review it states the touch-screen is as good as iPhone, the graphical effects are smooth and nice, it has flick scrolling and I think also kinetical scrolling.
One thing - does it have multi-touch or this is a patent of Apple? Has Windows Mobile or Android multi-touch? Not that multi-touch is a big deal in itself but it improves the usability.
Where is the "/" on the touchscreen keyboard :eek: lol i think im gonna have to buy this thing
Maybe it's time Nokia ignored countries who make it hard on everyone else... :D
Hey, one way to effect change!
As in, the U-S-of-A, perhaps ?... :-)
Oooh, I didn't know one needed to be a Maemo enthusiast to post here.
I bought the N800 the first week it was out. It's a matter of price, though. I'm very happy with my new Kindle. This would have to wait for awhile. I think the odds are against my ever buying one. I'm not interested in phones.
Oooh, I didn't know one needed to be a Maemo enthusiast to post here.
I bought the N800 the first week it was out. It's a matter of price, though. I'm very happy with my new Kindle. This would have to wait for awhile. I think the odds are against my ever buying one. I'm not interested in phones.
The phone "feature" is the main point of the whole device.
Still there's almost no mention in there?
He's left it to Nokia at Nokia World?
Or is not a phone? That would mean Nokia didn't ditch Symbian yet.
qwerty12
2009-08-20, 07:41
Or is not a phone? That would mean Nokia didn't ditch Symbian yet.
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr27.jpg
:)
Refresh my memory please... Why are you here? I mean on a Maemo enthusiasts board... You spend a lot of time here. We see your remarks in just about every active thread. Whats the point of your involvement?
Just wondering... :)
Oh, did I break any unwritten forum rules?
I don't remember anything like that ever put in place since I joined the forum in 2007 when I bought my first NIT.
zehjotkah
2009-08-20, 07:53
where are the green and red "answer-call" and "end-call" buttons???
they must be on the right side.. or simply only software buttons???
touch-sensitive-buttons like the n97???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkekTvtaSTM
in this video we can see, that the buttons are barely seeable if the n97 is switched off.
also we can see, how fast the n97 boots. the rover should boot even faster...
Oh, did I break any unwritten forum rules?
I don't remember anything like that ever put in place since I joined the forum in 2007 when I bought my first NIT.
No, I was just wondering. :)
attila77
2009-08-20, 08:24
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr27.jpg
:)
What I find interesting is the call-type selector. If this means you can switch between cellular/SIP/skype/etc with a flick of a button (=use the same interface for ALL contacts regardless of *their* connectivity), that would be really nice (I daresay revolutionary).
I think the odds are against my ever buying one. I'm not interested in phones.
So, is it fatal allergy to cellular connectivity (which you do not have to use btw) or is that Kindle hypnotizing you daily, as you go to bed? :)
Maybe it's time Nokia ignored countries who make it hard on everyone else... :D
Like certain ones that restrict WiFi channels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels) 12 & 13? Be careful what you wish for :-)
vkv.raju
2009-08-20, 08:49
What I find interesting is the call-type selector. If this means you can switch between cellular/SIP/skype/etc with a flick of a button (=use the same interface for ALL contacts regardless of *their* connectivity), that would be really nice (I daresay revolutionary).
You might be right. Else, there would be no need to have an alpha-numeric keyboard there ;-)
aironeous
2009-08-20, 08:51
I agree with louder. Front facing doesnt really do much for me. Personally, people are often very surprised at the speaker strength that I get from the n810. I havent used a single Handheld that sounds as loud or as clear.
Louder Louder Louder, as long as it doesnt sound like $h*t.
ok then go to a lunchroom or cafeteria or restaurant and play a youtube video using your n810 and digia@scene (where is the volume control on that btw?) or canola and then play the same video on a Nokia N95 8gb putting the volume all the way up on both.
So, is it fatal allergy to cellular connectivity (which you do not have to use btw) or is that Kindle hypnotizing you daily, as you go to bed? :)
I am sort of hypnotized by the fact that my Kindle gives me a free Internet connection that I can use for email and who knows what else, forever, at no extra charge.
To me, money is important, and electronics is supposed to be getting cheaper. I paid $400 for my N800 and that's about as far as I'm willing to go at this time.
I like electronic devices that are (a) cool, and (b) cheap. If I wanted cool and expensive, I suppose I would be in the Apple camp.
What I find interesting is the call-type selector. If this means you can switch between cellular/SIP/skype/etc with a flick of a button (=use the same interface for ALL contacts regardless of *their* connectivity)
Probably not skype, it was never integrated with the rest of the system in previous versions. Otherwise we've had a contact-centric communications UI for a long time, Fremantle just adds cellular to the available methods.
that would be really nice (I daresay revolutionary).
and S60 (E-Series mostly) has had SIP/cellular switching for ages.
You might be right. Else, there would be no need to have an alpha-numeric keyboard there ;-)
Or it's because of in some countries phonenumbers are told using words, ie 0800-PIZZA etc. Some people were complaing about alphabeth missing on dial pad in s60v5.
where are the green and red "answer-call" and "end-call" buttons???
they must be on the right side.. or simply only software buttons???
touch-sensitive-buttons like the n97???
I think Nokia want people to think of Maemo based devices as a 'Mobile Computing Experience' as the CEO put it when talking about the future of Maemo.
Saying that, i still expect to see touch-sensitive-buttons somewhere. :rolleyes:
1. Is that (http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr29.jpg) Jaffa's 'Attitude' app? Makes you wonder....
I'm not Eldar. And I haven't seen any more of an RX-51 than anyone else here :-)
However, it does show that renaming the app to start with "A" was a good idea :-)
attila77
2009-08-20, 09:29
Probably not skype, it was never integrated with the rest of the system in previous versions. Otherwise we've had a contact-centric communications UI for a long time, Fremantle just adds cellular to the available methods.
Eseries is Eseries, but the original built-in contact stuff in Maemo was, well, let's say, IMHO somewhere between disappointing and downright useless. I went the way of gizmo and pidgin real quick. That's why I'm taking this 'just' with a grain of salt.
Skype should be doable if the bastardized mobile version we're getting does not lack the DBUS code (as you can control skype via DBUS on the desktop version).
Did anyone notice on the "activate views" image in the review, it seems that N900 will have up to 4 desktops :)
I am sort of hypnotized by the fact that my Kindle gives me a free Internet connection that I can use for email and who knows what else, forever, at no extra charge.
But, if I understand correctly, Kindle's display isn't well suited for browsing and movie watching and the wireless connection itself is slow?
To me, money is important, and electronics is supposed to be getting cheaper. I paid $400 for my N800 and that's about as far as I'm willing to go at this time.
I sincerely hope that, for Nokia's own sake, the price for n900 will fall to the magical $400 quickly. otherwise they seem to be facing a problem.
allnameswereout
2009-08-20, 09:49
Thus far I'm very excited, and glad to see a screenshot of the calendar!
They don't want developers to review the device. They want tech enthusiasts to review the device first. Developers are too critical; you don't want their reviews popping up first. So the chance for sponsored devices on the Maemo summit still exists. Personally, I more like some kind of 'coupe' deal because it means a barrier from the receiving party too.
Non-SIMlocked phones will be available at least in Greece, and probably also in Belgium, Germany, and Switzerland. For Greece I am positive it is also unbranded.
I wouldnt knock HTC, they make good stuff but has always been let down by WM.
The latest stuff with Android is very good and the sense UI is a good experience, they just need to expand on the Android based hardware.
I can see myself dual booting the N900 with Maemo/ Android at some point. :DGood yes, but from reviews I read the downside was it being slowwww. The hardware of that new HTC Hero (meant for the masses) is not powerful enough.
Probably not skype, it was never integrated with the rest of the system in previous versions.Nokia made deal with Skype to bundle Skype in their deices. Not sure if that deal also included Maemo.
This Maemo version will be much better in terms of integration because of stuff like UPnP, iCal and all kind of under the hood. Tons of abstraction layers. For developers (assuming they are willing) this opens a lot of doors to integration like the one outlined above, and given the source is open they can even write patches to the original code (e.g. UI) to submit these to Nokia.
Multi-tasking! :D:D Take that iphone!I do multi tasking on my iPod touch. Just, the stupid thing has no hardware keyboard so for text input it sucks (YMMV).
I was not happy with volume levels for N800 or N810, especially the latter. I could rarely make out the GPS verbal instructions most of the time over road noise alone. I was informed that the N800 was capable of higher volume but it had been intentionally limited. Never got a good answer as to why though.
I just hope the next device is capable of being louder-- let ME decide if it's too loud and turn the volume down myself.Like in iPhoneOS a software-based limit you can set. (Strange how then it is OK to have a software-based limitation. ;)).
Although it thoroughly pisses me off to hear some stupid kids playing some strange, loud music while I'm getting...err trying to get rest due to a long travel.
The only thing I don't like is the statusbar. Kinda huge design fail, icons are too disordered. I'd rather do something like this: http://s55.radikal.ru/i148/0908/bc/d9042aff49d6.pngWhen are they going to hire you? :)
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr27.jpg
:)
We have a dialpad on Maemo already for Internet calls :)
Would the guy spend few more words on the Phone functionality ?
It's the biggest change!
EDIT: Wow! I totally missed the "Cellular" call type in blue!
It's a phone :)
qwerty12
2009-08-20, 10:06
We have a dialpad on Maemo already for Internet calls :)
Would the guy spend few more words on the Phone functionality ?
It's the biggest change!
It does say cellular in the corner. :)
But I get the feeling that he didn't want to test the phone functionality...
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr23.jpg
^ Note the crossed out SIM card icon.
It does say cellular in the corner. :)
But I get the feeling that he didn't want to test the phone functionality...
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr23.jpg
^ Note the crossed out SIM card icon.
Yeah noted that right after sending my reply :)
Well don't know really what to say.. as I stated I loved the idea of having two devices. A nice tablet with a big screen and my phone.
I didn't like much the fact I couldn't connect from the Tablet straight away without resorting to bluetooth.
Now this is a phone.. and I think it's way smaller than the N810/N800.. that makes for a smaller screen at higher resolution.
HTC got one of those, and I think it would have been better at 4" as it was before...
Hopefully the next one.
But I get the feeling that he didn't want to test the phone functionality...
If it's a prototype device with an IMEI in the test range (0044) he probably couldn't.
I'm not Eldar. And I haven't seen any more of an RX-51 than anyone else here :-)
However, it does show that renaming the app to start with "A" was a good idea :-)
Yeah, it wouldn't be there if it was, say, "iNettitude" ;p
(of course, this is just a joke!)
After the dust has settled, two main questions remain for me; Do you think we will be able to overclock the A8 and i hope someone will dev an S60 emulator so i can run a legacy app.
That and ever since Eldars preview, i suddenly lost any interest in any other platform. Its a liberating feeling... :D
I'm not Eldar. And I haven't seen any more of an RX-51 than anyone else here :-)
However, it does show that renaming the app to start with "A" was a good idea :-)
Nah, I wasn't trying to imply that. Eldar obviously tried a review unit quite recently (Attitude just came out), so I was wondering if this review was 'planned' to come out at the time that it did.
attila77
2009-08-20, 10:45
Planned by whom ? Eldar, Nokia or both ? Nokians here were adamant they don't do intentional leaks and considering the speed their legal team pulled various leaked images I'd say they care about that quite a bit. Even Eldar backpedalled a bit with regard to what he was about to show (i.e. left out exact specs apart from those already leaked), I doubt that could be a result of anything else but a phone call from Nokia...
The Kindle isn't suited for movie-watching, it's black and white. But it is fine for email, and free is a good price. It's not that slow. I have far more agonizingly slow ordeals on my N800 and N810 than on my Kindle, mainly because the KIndle isn't so ambitious. It does a very good job at what it does, rather than doing a poor job at an incredible array of things.
I know, this isn't a Kindle thread. But it seems so brave and contrarian a direction -- instead of color, black and white! Instead of forcing people to pay heavy monthly charges, give the connection away!
I'm no expert, but I don't see that kind of courage in the N900. It combines a bunch of technological trends; I don't see anything original about it. It's just geek++
where are the green and red "answer-call" and "end-call" buttons???
they must be on the right side.. or simply only software buttons???
touch-sensitive-buttons like the n97???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkekTvtaSTM
in this video we can see, that the buttons are barely seeable if the n97 is switched off.
also we can see, how fast the n97 boots. the rover should boot even faster...
I think this will be done via software. The answer-call button probably appears on the screen as a call comes in (hopefully with reject, to-voicemail, etc) options. The end-call --- if done via the touchscreen could become cumbersome - what if you are browsing at the same time, you'd have to task switch to the call application to do it from there (assuming that the green call button on the call app turns to a red end-call button after a call is initiated).
attila77
2009-08-20, 11:58
Instead of forcing people to pay heavy monthly charges, give the connection away!
There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. You're paying for that (almost certainly capped/throttled) connection all right, it's just that the cost is hidden elsewhere.
vkv.raju
2009-08-20, 12:11
The Kindle isn't suited for movie-watching, it's black and white. But it is fine for email, and free is a good price. It's not that slow. I have far more agonizingly slow ordeals on my N800 and N810 than on my Kindle, mainly because the KIndle isn't so ambitious. It does a very good job at what it does, rather than doing a poor job at an incredible array of things.
I know, this isn't a Kindle thread. But it seems so brave and contrarian a direction -- instead of color, black and white! Instead of forcing people to pay heavy monthly charges, give the connection away!
I'm no expert, but I don't see that kind of courage in the N900. It combines a bunch of technological trends; I don't see anything original about it. It's just geek++
What would I do with a device which serves no purpose to me, even if something is offered for free. Rather offer me the device for free and I might consider it then ;-)
Kindle is supposed to be a device for reading books and it can't do that enough. I love photography and I have some good books for them. How does Kindle solve my problem!
I prefer to go with jack-of-all-trades sort of thing rather than master-of-one.
A whopping $489 for a 9.7 inches screen just to see stuff (email, rss, proprietary format books) in black-and-white is not worth the price. Not at all, atleast in my books.
Im this close to buying a N810, am i just being silly?
I broke the last one and now im missing it more than ever.
"It won't become a hit, but at the same time the N900 is a milestone both for Nokia and the industry that won't just go unnoticed."
Why would it not be a hit?
The phone is missing some very key features... That's all I'll say.
benny1967
2009-08-20, 12:52
Im this close to buying a N810, am i just being silly?
Hehe... you're nor alone. I use an N810 right now, my N800 started to fall apart recently (screen issues) and what did I do? I bought a new N800.
Now. With the first photos of Rover floating around.
Because not only do I feel the N800 is better suited for certain use cases than the N810, I also am convinced that both models are closer to what I personally need that any Maemo5 device will ever be.
The N8x0-series may live longer than expected. ;)
Would anybody know how much physical RAM N900 has? In the review Eldar states, "However from the technical standpoint, it doesn't differ from the N97 at all". This suggests to me that it could possibly be only 128 MB.... I'm really hoping for 256 MB as the leaked specs seemed to suggest.
benny1967
2009-08-20, 12:55
The phone is missing some very key features... That's all I'll say.
MMS? If that's it, I'll have to stay out of a lot of forums for quite a while or the Apple-crowd will tear me apart. - I remember what I (and others) wrote about a "phone" that couldn't even do MMS ;)
Would anybody know how much physical RAM N900 has? In the review Eldar states, "However from the technical standpoint, it doesn't differ from the N97 at all". This suggests to me that it could possibly be only 128 MB.... I'm really hoping for 256 MB as the leaked specs seemed to suggest.
I read recently that it has 256mb and 768mb virtual but who knows where they got that info.
Maybe they meant 128mb RAM/ 128 ROM and the 768 is swap space.
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The phone is missing some very key features... That's all I'll say.
And that's where open source development comes in... Apps that auto display user defined, previously stored contact information, retrieve or construct new contact information from incoming calls (reverse phone number look-up while in call, social networks, etc :) ), screen calls based on a selected profile (work, personal, on holiday) and ring, flash, or send to voice mail as assigned, and do whatever cell phone users have complained was lacking in cell phone software over the years... and that's just the start. I imagine software that can recognized phone numbers or web addy's and provide links in received SMS could also be developed. :eek:
livefreeordie
2009-08-20, 13:12
I imagine software that can recognized phone numbers or web addy's and provide links in received SMS could also be developed. :eek:
S60v5 already does that.
zehjotkah
2009-08-20, 13:17
S60v5 already does that.
S60v3 on my E71, too...
I know, this isn't a Kindle thread. But it seems so brave and contrarian a direction -- instead of color, black and white! Instead of forcing people to pay heavy monthly charges, give the connection away!
Alas, Kindle's black and white has nothing to do with bravery: it is simply a drawback of the current ebook reader technology. I am sure that if Amazon could put a color display there they would. As to the "free" connection you have, it is fully paid up by yourself and other people buying overpriced DRMed ebooks from Amazon monopoly. There is no free lunch :)
I'm no expert, but I don't see that kind of courage in the N900. It combines a bunch of technological trends; I don't see anything original about it. It's just geek++
On the contrary, N900 seems to have lost a lot of the original geek factor historically associated with NITs. It now looks more like a normal Nokia smartphone, similar to 5800 or N97. As I need to replace my current phone anyway, N900 looks like a decent solution.
anthonybuchanan
2009-08-20, 14:20
Looks like this device will finally have the GSM phone capabilities I have asked for.
Not sure if I will buy one since I use the OQO Model 02 with the Nokia 6220 however this device is very tempting.
sachin007
2009-08-20, 14:25
Typical itard reaction to the n900
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/08/20/nokias-n900-gets-previewed/
And the read the comments.... i really want nokia to prove them wrong.
Typical itard reaction to the n900
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/08/20/nokias-n900-gets-previewed/
And the read the comments.... i really want nokia to prove them wrong.
meh, the moment nokia does, they will move the goal posts ;)
MMS? If that's it, I'll have to stay out of a lot of forums for quite a while or the Apple-crowd will tear me apart. - I remember what I (and others) wrote about a "phone" that couldn't even do MMS ;)
Well at least with this platform if features are missing we as developers can code them. It wasn't so much a big deal that the phone couldn't do mms (talking about the iphone) but it was moreso that apple would reject any application that implemented that feature.
Won't have that problem with Maemo.
Typical itard reaction to the n900
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/08/20/nokias-n900-gets-previewed/
And the read the comments.... i really want nokia to prove them wrong.
Kind of have to agree with them regarding the space bar key. It's really a bonehead move by Nokia and that's coming from someone who loves Nokia phones. There is no advantage (in typing speed) by moving the space bar to that location. If anything it presents a learning curve for using the phone.
I doubt anyone types faster because the keyboard was shoved all the way to the right. It's a feature that doesn't add any benefit to the phone so it really isn't a "feature" at all. Plus people are going to take one look at that keyboard and say they don't like it. That's just the nature of consumers.
One thing I want to write is a virtual keyboard that has NORMAL keyboard layout. Nokia is simply going down the wrong path by having to force users to adapt to a new keyboard. It's a bad idea...
Well at least with this platform if features are missing we as developers can code them. It wasn't so much a big deal that the phone couldn't do mms (talking about the iphone) but it was moreso that apple would reject any application that implemented that feature.
Won't have that problem with Maemo.
Kind of have to agree with them regarding the space bar key. It's really a bonehead move by Nokia and that's coming from someone who loves Nokia phones. There is no advantage (in typing speed) by moving the space bar to that location. If anything it presents a learning curve for using the phone.
I doubt anyone types faster because the keyboard was shoved all the way to the right. It's a feature that doesn't add any benefit to the phone so it really isn't a "feature" at all. Plus people are going to take one look at that keyboard and say they don't like it. That's just the nature of consumers.
One thing I want to write is a virtual keyboard that has NORMAL keyboard layout. Nokia is simply going down the wrong path by having to force users to adapt to a new keyboard. It's a bad idea...
I gotta disagree with you about the space bar. It's finally in a spot where I can reach it completely with one thumb instead of being awkwardly placed where neither of my thumbs could get it easily like on the N810.
On the contrary, N900 seems to have lost a lot of the original geek factor historically associated with NITs. It now looks more like a normal Nokia smartphone, similar to 5800 or N97. As I need to replace my current phone anyway, N900 looks like a decent solution.
And why is this a bad thing?
Cruelkix
2009-08-20, 14:50
ok then go to a lunchroom or cafeteria or restaurant and play a youtube video using your n810 and digia@scene (where is the volume control on that btw?) or canola and then play the same video on a Nokia N95 8gb putting the volume all the way up on both.
So I'm assuming what you are saying is that the N95 is louder? Thats cool. Hopefully we will get a lounder n900 then. That would be sweet. All I said was I havent used a louder handheld. I'm sure they ar eout there. Thanks for the info!
@nowave: i don't see him say it's a bad thing.
sjgadsby
2009-08-20, 14:53
There is no advantage (in typing speed) by moving the space bar to that location. If anything it presents a learning curve for using the phone.
The spacebar moved under my right thumb on my computers years ago.
http://www.fentek-ind.com/kinesis_dvorak.gif
GeneralAntilles
2009-08-20, 14:58
There seems to be two things above the microphone, one rectanglish and above that, one round, the round could be a front facing low resolution web cam.
Should be (from left to right), LED indicator, light sensor, proximity sensor, VGA camera.
@nowave: i don't see him say it's a bad thing.
I thought he was... Sorry.
livefreeordie
2009-08-20, 15:04
This resistive touchscreen and spacebar ******** is a really good reason to buy Nokia products, imho. Everyone's going on about how stupid and uncool they are, yet they stick with what they think is the superior solution. That's respectable.
While everyone else is busy caressing the "cool" stuff, I'll just use my vastly more accurate nail on the Nokia touchscreen, and press the spacebar where it's closest to my right thumb, thank you very much.
Is it a button close to the camera button ?
An IR port would have been cool to use the n900 as a remote
Cruelkix
2009-08-20, 15:15
Is it a button close to the camera button ?
Can you clarify? Is "what" a button close to the camera?
An IR port would have been cool to use the n900 as a remote
Agreed, that would have been cool! Probably wont happen tho....
Edit: Although I will say im getting really tired of IR remotes. The nicest remote I have is the one for my PS3 that is Bluetooth and I dont have to point the stupid thing at the screen! Lets move on TV industry! The really nice Logitech remotes use RF. I know its cheap, but the tv's these days certainly are not! My 52" LCD set me back 2 grand!
Kind of have to agree with them regarding the space bar key. It's really a bonehead move by Nokia and that's coming from someone who loves Nokia phones. There is no advantage (in typing speed) by moving the space bar to that location. If anything it presents a learning curve for using the phone.
Well. its just that you refuse to look at solving real problems by looking out of the box. Thats what Nokia did - they bettered the keyboard ergonomins by placing the space there for a reason - its under your thumb and you the space bar is always thumbed.
I am glad that some companies try to innovate and better a common design by looking at the use case scenario. For any handheld device in landscape mode this keyboard with space bar is better than the older conventional style.
What good is an IR port these days..
Most of the time they're too weak to be used for universal remotes anyway. Their beam is either too weak or too narrow.
The shape next to the button.
It's not a button, could it be an IR port ?
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic21.jpg
I agree with you, IR ports are mostly too weak to use the device as a remote, I was just dreaming :p
Cruelkix
2009-08-20, 15:29
The shape next to the button.
It's not a button, could it be an IR port ?
Good question. maybe thats the missing touch sensitive button to go in and out of full screen.
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