Any examples of the pictures or video the N900 takes?

[jaysin22]

Just wondering if anyone who had gotten their hands on a developer version yet had any examples of the picture or video quality that the N900 takes.

On Flickr at http://www.flickr.com/photos/mardytardi/3862538080/ there is a picture of a N900 party and the properties tag looks a little strange. Though if this is an example of a picture I hope that the reason the picture only looks good at a small resolution is because of the uploading compression the phone might do.

Anyone know if this is an actual picture from a N900?

[sjgadsby]

On Flickr at http://www.flickr.com/photos/mardytardi/3862538080/ there is a picture of a N900 party and the properties tag looks a little strange.

Anyone know if this is an actual picture from a N900?

As you wrote, it's a N900 party, and:

The camera reported itself as a "007 001", which does look suspiciously like an identifier that might be used by prototype hardware.
The camera reports that it uses Exampi (http://libopenraw.freedesktop.org/wiki/Exempi), which seems quite likely for a Linux-based phone.
The photo's EXIP data includes GPS information, as photos from the N900 will.


So, it certainly seems possible, even likely.

[chilko]

maybe another one - http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/3862085584/

and one live picture of the device - http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdamt/3861126335/

[jaysin22]

maybe another one - http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/3862085584/

I wondered about that one but since it didn't have any camera description I wasn't sure. The big thing I am concerned about is if the N900 Party picture is from uploaded from a N900 I hope the compression was set to high because if you look at any larger size than the default the image is very pixelated and blurry. I was hoping that the images from the camera would be on par with the iPhone at least as I am seriously looking to get the N900 and replace place my camera/video camera, phone and laptop with one device. The pictures are what would be a deal breaker for me.

I hope someone can post some examples of pictures and even video eventually that were taken by a N900.

[chilko]

in that account there is some video and more pics but not sure - http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/

[vvaz]

Samples so far are rather disappointing :(

Bar shot is terrible and the other two (guys making photos and champagne bottles) are heavily downsized.

[zerojay]

I'm happy enough with it. I just want the camera to be good enough so that I can stop carrying around my N95 and it looks like it is. Then again, I'm no professional photographer either. I just like being able to take a quick picture and have it shared online within 30 seconds unlike my wife that spends 20 minutes taking her shot, then takes it home and does post-processing for the next hour or so. ;)

And that seems to be the point of the device as a whole so...

[jaysin22]

I'd be happy like you too zerojay if it took photo's like the n95 as in http://www.flickr.com/photos/39984526@N05/3816363528/. Which the wine bottle picture looks decently close but there is no way to tell if that was with a N900. Where the N900 party pic does seem closer to being an actually picture taken and uploaded from the N900 with the camera desription and the photo's content.

Hopefully someone will eventually be allowed to show what the picture quality and video quality look like and say here take a look at these samples.

[Thesandlord]

Looks like those pics are not full quality. With such a nice camera, I was expecting Point-and-Shoot quality pictures.

[jaysin22]

Looks like those pics are not full quality. With such a nice camera, I was expecting Point-and-Shoot quality pictures.

Me too especially with it competing with the iPhone.

[chilko]

check again http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/

few more photos appeared

[qhorse]

does anyone know if it'll be as easy to share pictures with picassa album than it seems to be with Flickr, Ovi or Facebook ?

[christexaport]

Guys, prototypes typically have bad camera results. Compression algorithms get tweaked before production and steadily increase with updates as they become available. Having used Carl Zeiss cameras exclusively since 2005, I promise you no mobile device will come close for video or photo quality at identical resolutions. That photo was very atypical of what you can expect, and my N93 3.2 mp camera took better shots. Let the engineers optimize the camera and be prepared to ditch your point and shoot camera.

[christexaport]

does anyone know if it'll be as easy to share pictures with picassa album than it seems to be with Flickr, Ovi or Facebook ?

If pixelpipe comes to Maemo, which I expect, you can upload to nearly every service with simplicity. Its easy on Symbian, at least.

[zerojay]

does anyone know if it'll be as easy to share pictures with picassa album than it seems to be with Flickr, Ovi or Facebook ?

Flickr, Ovi and Facebook are probably integrated into the tablet. I would expect you can use yerga's SharePy to send to Picasa easily.

[korbé]

I hope we can develop plug-in for integrating other services.

[ysss]

I hope it's not as slow as my N95.

[yerga]

Flickr, Ovi and Facebook are probably integrated into the tablet. I would expect you can use yerga's SharePy to send to Picasa easily.

Yeah, I'm waiting to see what have implemented them before of porting it to Fremantle.
If they have something nice to share multimedia, I'll be writing some plugin for other services. I saw some documentation in the wiki the last days about it, and it seemed easy (now it's gone).

An important feature for me is the possibility to upload multiple photos easily. If you have to upload the photos one by one from the gallery to the online service, I'll be porting Sharepy the first day.

[drizek]

The more megapixels a camera has, the crappier the individual pixels become. Phones shouldn't have more than one or two megapixels, otherwise they can only take decent pictures outdoors on sunny days. This is hte case here, and the case with almost all of these 5mp cameras. I would rather have the same 3mp as the iPhone, or less ideally.

One of the best SLRs for low light photography is the Nikon D40,because it has only 6mp. Compare the size of the D40 to the size of the n900 to see what a 5 or 6mp camera needs to look like to actually take decent photos.

This picture is only 1.3mp, http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/3861829722/sizes/o/ but I doubt anyone would argue that it looks worse than the 5mp pictures from the N900. The colors are better, the lighting is better, the image is sharper and cleaner. This could have been achieved on a cameraphone if the phone had a properly designed 1.3mp sensor instead of a marketing designed 5mp sensor.

[sachin007]

The more megapixels a camera has, the crappier the individual pixels become. Phones shouldn't have more than one or two megapixels, otherwise they can only take decent pictures outdoors on sunny days. This is hte case here, and the case with almost all of these 5mp cameras. I would rather have the same 3mp as the iPhone, or less ideally.

One of the best SLRs for low light photography is the Nikon D40,because it has only 6mp. Compare the size of the D40 to the size of the n900 to see what a 5 or 6mp camera needs to look like to actually take decent photos.

This picture is only 1.3mp, http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/3861829722/sizes/o/ but I doubt anyone would argue that it looks worse than the 5mp pictures from the N900. The colors are better, the lighting is better, the image is sharper and cleaner. This could have been achieved on a cameraphone if the phone had a properly designed 1.3mp sensor instead of a marketing designed 5mp sensor.

I am not an expert on photography but the advantage of more mpx for me is that i can zoom and crop the photo a little more and still get acceptable clarity. Nokia gives you the option of shooting at any MPx you want to shoot. May be you can use that to shoot 1.3 mega pixel shots.

[drizek]

It doesn't work that way.

As an example last year Canon announced a 15mp point and shoot. People found that the old 10mp version had the same sharpness, except the files were a lot smaller, it was faster, etc. So last week Canon announced a new version, but this time they went back to 10mp.

The extra megapixels don't actually add more sharpness, they just add more pixels to blurry pictures. If you have a sensor designed from the beginning with larger pixels then you can increase the sensitivity, which gives you sharper pictures. You can increase the sensitivity on a high megapixel camera as well, but because the individual pixels are so small, you will get noise. The camera will try to correct for noise by blurring the picture, so now you are back to where you started.

[ysss]

@drizek: that's a very sharp picture. was it taken with said Nikon D40?
but comparing a compact (minicule sensor and lens size) with a DSLR wouldn't be fair though...

[attila77]

The more megapixels a camera has, the crappier the individual pixels become.

One of the best SLRs for low light photography is the Nikon D40,because it has only 6mp. Compare the size of the D40 to the size of the n900 to see what a 5 or 6mp camera needs to look like to actually take decent photos.

I know what you're trying to say, but you're saying it in a misleading way. You just said that a D40 with 6 megapixels is better than a D3 that sports 12. Well it isn't. There are numerous parameters taken into account, like CCD size, the readout noise of individual pixels, etc.

The other thing you're somethat wrong about is color reproduction and sharpness. The higher resolution camera means the bayer RGB array is spread out through more pixels, so the 5Mpix cam *CAN* make FAR better (sharper and better colors) 1.3Mpix photo than a 1.3Mpix camera if it's implemented correctly. If it's crap, it's crap, but it's not the pixel COUNT that makes it crap (it's just a part of the equation).

[allnameswereout]

On Flickr at http://www.flickr.com/photos/mardytardi/3862538080/ there is a picture of a N900 party and the properties tag looks a little strange.No EXIF metadata found.

[sachin007]

Picture from n900

http://web1.twitpic.com/img/26193470-c86834be54410ccc353ebc87d6da2df2.4a98273a-full.jpg

[vvaz]

This one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/3865486898/sizes/o/
isn't bad. I would say it is on par with N97 examples I saw.

[krisse]

I really wouldn't rely on sample photos from prototypes, we've seen quite a lot of prototype S60 models on All About Symbian where the photo compression algorithms changed completely between the prototype and production models.

[konttori]

Looks quality wise from old proto imho.

[pelago]

Picture from n900

http://web1.twitpic.com/img/26193470-c86834be54410ccc353ebc87d6da2df2.4a98273a-full.jpg
Have you got a link to the twitpic page which links to that image, as it looks like direct linking isn't working and I was looking for a higher-res version than your attachment.
This one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimulator/3865486898/sizes/o/
isn't bad. I would say it is on par with N97 examples I saw.
"The photo you were looking for has been deleted." :(

[jaysin22]

Anyone else notice that since we have been referring to aSIULAtor's Flick Photo's all the ones we were thinking were from a N900 have been removed. I wonder is that was because we stirred something up and they shouldn't have been posted. Maybe those were real picks.

[sachin007]

Anyone else notice that since we have been referring to aSIULAtor's Flick Photo's all the ones we were thinking were from a N900 have been removed. I wonder is that was because we stirred something up and they shouldn't have been posted. Maybe those were real picks.

Yeah i noticed that. I would imagine those were prototype photos and the final product will be better. That may be the reason.

[qgil]

Sorry for quoting myself (http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/software-freedom-lovers-here-comes-maemo-5/), but it's related to the topic:

The camera is also impressive, all sustained by GStreamer. Together with good lens and an impressive display, even my pictures look cool (sometimes, and the camera is not to blame). No hurries to transfer or upload the pictures to see them in a big screen: you get a fair impression of the real thing right there with your device. The Maemo team has several hobbyist photographers and all of us are waiting impatiently to get the green light and start uploading pics.

I have a fresh proto and firmware up to date. Usually that green light comes only with the sales start, precisely to avoid that consumers make conclusions based on unfinished software/hardware.

But if you happen to find me an afternoon in the leikkipuisto with my kids, I will show you. ;)

[sachin007]

Have you got a link to the twitpic page which links to that image, as it looks like direct linking isn't working and I was looking for a higher-res version than your attachment.

"The photo you were looking for has been deleted." :(

http://twitpic.com/flf0e

[aSIMULAtor]

Anyone else notice that since we have been referring to aSIULAtor's Flick Photo's all the ones we were thinking were from a N900 have been removed. I wonder is that was because we stirred something up and they shouldn't have been posted. Maybe those were real picks.

hi :)

just to make things clear, these images and videos that everyone seems to be speculating about were taken with my Panasonic Lumix point and shoot cam (FX500 to be exact - and it's a good camera, I just resize them for the web). If you're wondering about the smaller crappy images..well, they were taken with an iphone (gasp). All this information can also be found on my profile info on flickr... ;)

In regards to photos being deleted..can't a girl do some quality control? :) i tend to do this all the time with my flickr account, i upload some useless photos that i change my mind about whether or not i want to show them...

@Chilko, sorry for the lame answer I gave you in that photo you questioned about, i was just really using a bit of vague and mysterious words for you to wonder about :P

[zerojay]

Thanks for coming and talking to us... please, come by more often. Don't be a stranger. :)

[aSIMULAtor]

:) hehe...will do, Maemo rules! :D

[christexaport]

The more megapixels a camera has, the crappier the individual pixels become. Phones shouldn't have more than one or two megapixels, otherwise they can only take decent pictures outdoors on sunny days. This is hte case here, and the case with almost all of these 5mp cameras. I would rather have the same 3mp as the iPhone, or less ideally.
Do you intend to try to convince anyone here that the 3mp camera in the iPhone is better than the 3mp camera in the 5800xm? That the iPhone camera at 3mp takes better quality photos than the N95 at 5mp? That the N95 is better than the N86 at 8mp? The fact of the matter is that although your first sentence is true in general purpose, there are many other factors that can influence image quality, such as the processing algorithms, the lens package, the physical size of the sensor, and other things.

I'd assume you've never had a flagship model Nseries phone in the last 5 years. They are THE leaders in cameraphone technology, with technology and patents shared with Kodak and Carl Zeiss as well, an unmatched combination you'll definitely change your mind about once you try one. This is the exact same camera module from the N97, so images should be similar in quality, i.e. excellent.

[jaysin22]

Thanks for coming and talking to us... please, come by more often. Don't be a stranger. :)

I agree with zerojay. Thanks for stopping by and letting us know. asimulator.

[qhorse]

If pixelpipe comes to Maemo, which I expect, you can upload to nearly every service with simplicity. Its easy on Symbian, at least.

Ok thanks, I didn't know that... will test on my E71 in the meantime

I didn't know about sharepy neither, thanks :D

[drizek]

Do you intend to try to convince anyone here that the 3mp camera in the iPhone is better than the 3mp camera in the 5800xm? That the iPhone camera at 3mp takes better quality photos than the N95 at 5mp? That the N95 is better than the N86 at 8mp? The fact of the matter is that although your first sentence is true in general purpose, there are many other factors that can influence image quality, such as the processing algorithms, the lens package, the physical size of the sensor, and other things.

I'd assume you've never had a flagship model Nseries phone in the last 5 years. They are THE leaders in cameraphone technology, with technology and patents shared with Kodak and Carl Zeiss as well, an unmatched combination you'll definitely change your mind about once you try one. This is the exact same camera module from the N97, so images should be similar in quality, i.e. excellent.

I didn't say that the iPhone camera was better, we haven't been able to compare them yet. What I was saying is that apples decision to go with 3mp instead of 5 was a good one. The E86 has a large sensor, basically the same as the one on a point n shoot. Still, the pictures are not as good as what you get from an 8mp canon, but they are definitely acceptable.

Post processing, storage, uploading photos is a huge issue on phones. They don't have dedicated image processing hardware, and they can't store and upload large file sizes. So when you have these large megapixel files, in order to be able to process and upload them efficiently you have to compromise quality for performance and then quality for file size. A smaller mp file can be better processed and stored with less compression while retaining the same or smaller file size.


The other thing you're somethat wrong about is color reproduction and sharpness. The higher resolution camera means the bayer RGB array is spread out through more pixels, so the 5Mpix cam *CAN* make FAR better (sharper and better colors) 1.3Mpix photo than a 1.3Mpix camera if it's implemented correctly. If it's crap, it's crap, but it's not the pixel COUNT that makes it crap (it's just a part of the equation).

Yes, it isn't pixel count, it is pixel density. Most phones have about the same sensor size though, so there isn't much difference in comparing count and density. Yes, it is true that a giant sensor with a ton of megapixels slooks better, but high pixel density does lead to a reduction in many aspects of picture quality. Most important is the addition of noise, but the other major issue is the reduction in dynamic range. Olympus SLRs had problems with dynamic range up until recently and this was at least in part due to them having a high pixel density than canon or nikon cameras. Of course, improvements in sensor design can overcome these issues, but for now, I would rather phone manufacturers kept mp counts down. Of course, we havent seen any pictures taken with the final device yet, so maybe it is better than what some of the pics that were taken down look like.

[attila77]

Yes, it isn't pixel count, it is pixel density. Most phones have about the same sensor size though, so there isn't much difference in comparing count and density. Yes, it is true that a giant sensor with a ton of megapixels slooks better, but high pixel density does lead to a reduction in many aspects of picture quality. Most important is the addition of noise, but the other major issue is the reduction in dynamic range.

Here's an example (images shamelessly taken from dpreview):

http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/SonyDSLRA700/Samples/ISO/d300_iso1600_crop.jpghttp://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD40/Samples/ISO/d40_iso1600_crop.jpg

Basic characteristics:
- Same camera manufacturer (Nikon)
- Same sensor size (APS-C)
- Same ISO (1600)
- Same lenses
- Release dates differing by less than a year

And here's the kicker. The LEFT one is a 12 megapixel camera. The RIGHT one is a 6 megapixel camera. That's right. The 12 megapixel one delivers better resolution with clearly LESS noise. Yes, of course that advantage comes with a hefty price tag, but demonstrates quite clearly that you should draw no conclusions just based on paper specs and technological speculations.

Edit: Note that this, of course, does not mean that ALL 12 mpix chips are better than 6 mpix ones.

[aironeous]

I have an idea, let's make a whole bunch of seperate threads about the N900!

[drizek]

Yet if we go back to dpreview and read the review of the 15mp Canon G10 compared to the 10mp Panasonic LX3, this is what they have to say.

At ISO 400:

Even at this low-ish sensitivity setting the Canon and Nikon have surrendered most, if not all, their resolution advantage. The LX3's output still closely resembles its base ISO quality with a touch more noise and some of the softness that noise reduction tends to bring beginning to creep in. However, the other two cameras are clearly having to resort to extreme measures with much more prominent noise appearing in the Nikon's image and fairly heavy noise reduction smearing the G10's output (and with sharpening artifacts showing an attempt to crisp the image back up). At a consistent output size, the results are likely to look identical but that begs the question - what do those extra megapixels achieve?

At ISO 1600

It was never going to be pretty but there are some pretty unpleasant results here. The G10's noise reduction has obliterated most of the detail in its image and hammered the contrast too. For fans of watercolors, perhaps? The Nikon has made an even bigger mess of things, peppering its image with white speckling and producing unsightly yellow blotches across other parts of the image.

And, although the LX3's image isn't exactly a paragon of image quality, it's hard not to conclude that it's producing the best results at this point. There's all the noise and noise reduction degradation you'd expect of a compact camera working at this sensitivity setting, but it's balanced the two well and produced a good compromise result, retaining some detail and producing the most accurate color of the three.

See for yourself: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonG10/page19.asp

[attila77]

Yet if we go back to dpreview and read the review of the 15mp Canon G10 compared to the 10mp Panasonic LX3, this is what they have to say.

Sigh. I never disputed that. I'm just saying you're jumping to conclusions with regard to the megapixel-image quality relation. Saying phones should not have more than one or two megapixels in 2009 is an anachronism (I have a 2mpix Nokia dumbphone and it produces absolutely useless photos when compared to a Nseries). If you want to complain, complain about the LED flash (say, I'd rather have 3mpix+xenon than 5mpix+led).

[drizek]

Your 2mp Nokia is ****, that doesn't mean all 2mp cameras are ****. The image I posted in the previous page was 1.3mp, taken with what I assume is just a plain point and shoot by the same person as the N900 photos and it looks far better and far sharper than the 5mp pictures from the N900. megapixels and image quality absolutely are related. Smaller pixels are less accurate, this leads to noise and a loss of dynamic range.

I do not consider 3mp a downgrade. In fact, I would rather have 3mp and LED than 5mp and xenon.

I am not saying I want the iPhone camera in the Nokia, I am saying that Nokia should have used hte same size sensor, the same lens, but lowered the megapixel count to improve high iso photography.

[zerojay]

...and it looks far better and far sharper than the 5mp pictures from the N900.

And we just were told that a lot of the photos were not taken with the N900 and that they were prototypes. Still too early to decide on what looks better... so... can we just close this thread until the actual final N900s make it out?

[christexaport]

I am not saying I want the iPhone camera in the Nokia, I am saying that Nokia should have used hte same size sensor, the same lens, but lowered the megapixel count to improve high iso photography.Are you saying Nokia should go back to the cameras they used 4 years ago? Nokia is a leader in mobile photography, and the reason they've used 5 megapixels is they've spent years developing processing and figured how to raise pixel count and image quality at the same time. I am of the school to say their new 8 megapixel cameraphone is the best cameraphone on the market, with unmatched low light images.

[christexaport]

Where's Dr. Tran when you need him? He's a world reknowned imaging expert. Ask him about the quality of Nokia Nseries flagship cameras. Check his flckr account for high quality photos from a N95

[jandmdickerson]

Where's Dr. Tran when you need him? He's a world reknowned imaging expert. Ask him about the quality of Nokia Nseries flagship cameras. Check his flckr account for high quality photos from a N95

I hated the pic quality of my n95. My wifes Iphone took far better pictures, even with different photographers. Anyway, I guess pic quality is very subjective. However, I think we can almost all agree the pic quality on the n800 and n810 is sub-par.

[christexaport]

jandmdickerson,
maybe you don't know how to use the N95's camera well. You are the first person to say the N95 took worse photos than the iPhone.

I suggest you look at Dr. Tran's Flickr page to see the great things he does with Nokia cams. And then ask yourself what the heck you've done wrong...

[christexaport]

were you half pressing the shutter button to allow a focus, waiting for the green target, and shooting the shot?

[ysss]

My N95 takes ok pictures (highres for sure), but the whole process of calling up the app, waiting it to be ready, waiting it to focus, taking the picture is much longer than any other smarthphones i have with cameras.

[chilko]

check this (http://thenokiablog.com/2009/08/31/prototype-nokia-n900-sample-photos/)

if 007 001 in tag means that the picture is taken with n900 then:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site:flickr.com+%22taken+with+a+007+001%22

[christexaport]

They're using prototypes, if those are N900 photos, and prototypes usually have bad photo quality. expect similar performance to the N95/N97 since its the same camera hardware.

[yerga]

Check out this one, also done with the 007 001:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdamt/3806740161/

[christexaport]

Color and focus could be better, but it looks close to ready to ship firmware in that one. Which means the shipping one should be phenomenal. NIT users unaccustomed to good cameras are in for a treat.

[nilchak]

I hated the pic quality of my n95. My wifes Iphone took far better pictures, even with different photographers. Anyway, I guess pic quality is very subjective. However, I think we can almost all agree the pic quality on the n800 and n810 is sub-par.

I dont know how you say that, but I specifically bought a N95 to take good photos and haven't been dissapointed.

That said, of course any cameraphone will be behind in photo quality in low light situations. But in bright day light there nothing to beat an N95 as a cameraphone (at least not an iPhone).
en example in bright daylight ...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76248248@N00/3673550835/
and one is lesser daylight light
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76248248@N00/2843973826/in/photostream/

[Peet]

FWIW, the 3.2MP Zeiss lens in my Nokia phone takes acceptable snaps in broad daylight, but the problem that it has - and which I hope Nokia has addressed - is the lack of "pan focus" (fixed close to medium distance focus; also faster than autofocus) mode.

In low light the camera isn't able to focus, even with assistance, farther than ~1m which is pretty useless in social occasions and generally.

Obviously this is historically total black magic firmware territory, so it'll be interesting to see if Nokia has added the fixed quickie "pan focus mode" or whether such intimate hardware features are also open for post-sales tinkering. (doubtful, but hey...)

[qgil]

I'm an old fan of tigert's pictures. He is having fun lately!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/3878934526/

...also with videos. In this one you can see he is a guy that takes risks for a good shot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/3880838082/

I (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quimgil/) try to learn from him and other great hobbyist photographers in the Maemo team. All of them quite happy and inspired these days for _some_ reason... :)

[ragnar]

http://www.flickr.com/groups/1184299@N24/pool/

Hey all, we created a Flickr group for these photos.

I'm also a hobbyist photographer. I'm pretty happy with my pre-production (please remember that when considering the images) quality I'm getting with the N900 device. It's far better than any other mobile phone/device camera I have personally used. (Although yes, there probably certainly are better quality smartphones with 8mpix cameras out there already.)

I put my images at least without post-processing, you could easily refine them up a bit more if you would like. Yes, N900 is only 5 megapixels, but as has been stated to death, that isn't really the defining factor. Yes, you can also take really bad looking photos if you don't know what you're doing.

Anyway, for instance to be able to get rather nice looking depth of field shots with my mobile computer camera is seriously a cool thing.

[deadmalc]

Wow! given this is just a point and click camera, these images are quite nice.
I think getting a flikr account will be the first thing I do when my n900 arrives, but the waiting!

[ossipena]

http://www.flickr.com/groups/1184299@N24/pool/

Hey all, we created a Flickr group for these photos.

I'm also a hobbyist photographer. I'm pretty happy with my pre-production (please remember that when considering the images) quality I'm getting with the N900 device. It's far better than any other mobile phone/device camera I have personally used. (Although yes, there probably certainly are better quality smartphones with 8mpix cameras out there already.)

I put my images at least without post-processing, you could easily refine them up a bit more if you would like. Yes, N900 is only 5 megapixels, but as has been stated to death, that isn't really the defining factor. Yes, you can also take really bad looking photos if you don't know what you're doing.

Anyway, for instance to be able to get rather nice looking depth of field shots with my mobile computer camera is seriously a cool thing.

forget the megapixels!

heres something taken with 4mpix (Canon eos 1D)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/day1953/2946102733/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/michelroy/3141040901/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28557373@N06/3155991736/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alothman/2296740596/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kausthub/3329746016/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/olicroteau/3091372477/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28557373@N06/3087514375/

so now I'm waiting double quality photos with 8mpix mobile phone cameras.... or admitting the fact that the megapixels are only one variable that comes normally after optical quality and noise level when prioritized correctly.

[Capt'n Corrupt]

Amazing pics!

And a fine example that there's far more to an images quality than mega-pixels.

};^)~

[christexaport]

Wow! given this is just a point and click camera, these images are quite nice.
I think getting a flikr account will be the first thing I do when my n900 arrives, but the waiting!

Screw Flickr, deadmalc, and get an Ovi account. They have Ovi Share, just like Flickr, but better, and integrated in the phone with Ovi Share in the menus. Or use Pixelpipe and hit all your social networks and photography storage sites in one upload.

[day1953]

forget the megapixels!

heres something taken with 4mpix (Canon eos 1D)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/day1953/2946102733/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/michelroy/3141040901/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28557373@N06/3155991736/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alothman/2296740596/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kausthub/3329746016/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/olicroteau/3091372477/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28557373@N06/3087514375/

so now I'm waiting double quality photos with 8mpix mobile phone cameras.... or admitting the fact that the megapixels are only one variable that comes normally after optical quality and noise level when prioritized correctly.

Just for the record, the first link above:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/day1953/2946102733/

was shot by me with a Canon EOS ID Mark III which is a 10.1 Megapixel camera, not 4 megapixels. The original 1D was a 4.4 megapixel camera.

[attila77]

or admitting the fact that the megapixels are only one variable that comes normally after optical quality and noise level when prioritized correctly.

There is no *after*. A camera is a system in which the sensor and the optics are both fundamental elements, and these elements should be well matched/balanced.

And one tiny note about noise. Noise is a sensor parameter, and it's loosely tied to pixel size. Generally you want as little of it as possible, but remember - you can trade some resolution for less noise, but you cannot trade lack of noise for more resolution.

[Kozzi]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2587/3912286790_1119917782.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2517/3912286066_ccc26ce8bc.jpg
With video: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdamt/3912281850/in/pool-1184299@N24/

Source: Matkapuhelininfo (http://www.matkapuhelininfo.com/keskustelu/showpost.php?p=1058151812&postcount=905)

[Thesandlord]

That is the definition of EPIC WIN.

[nilchak]

Screw Flickr, deadmalc, and get an Ovi account. They have Ovi Share, just like Flickr, but better, and integrated in the phone with Ovi Share in the menus. Or use Pixelpipe and hit all your social networks and photography storage sites in one upload.

I tried PixelPipe the other day on my N95 and boy, was it slow over the 3.5g connection that I had.
I had used Shozu before (Shozu allows uploads to multiple sites) and it was much faster. Sadly Shozu is now a paid application on OVI Store.

But seriously whats wrong with Flickr ? OVI Share while it may be good, has not much of followers and Flickr is where most of say my friends are also on - hence its good for sharing with people I know.

[McChicken]

jandmdickerson,
maybe you don't know how to use the N95's camera well. You are the first person to say the N95 took worse photos than the iPhone.

I suggest you look at Dr. Tran's Flickr page to see the great things he does with Nokia cams. And then ask yourself what the heck you've done wrong...

I have to agree, the N95, is still a decent camera, and the VIDEO recording is still good, it was amazing once.
my father in law takes my N95 videos and turn them into DVD films, nobody have complained on the actual video quality when showing on a big screen more the skills of the photographer ( me).

I am finally retiring my fist Gen N95, and hope that the N900 will be as good as the N95, especially video recording. No phone have until now been a worthy replacement for the ground breaking N95 "Do it All Phone" IMO.

[texaslabrat]

I have to agree, the N95, is still a decent camera, and the VIDEO recording is still good, it was amazing once.
my father in law takes my N95 videos and turn them into DVD films, nobody have complained on the actual video quality when showing on a big screen more the skills of the photographer ( me).

I am finally retiring my fist Gen N95, and hope that the N900 will be as good as the N95, especially video recording. No phone have until now been a worthy replacement for the ground breaking N95 "Do it All Phone" IMO.

Absolutely agree with all of that...and I'm in the same boat (except for the father-in-law part..I have to do the DVD stuff myself) by having a N95 that will soon be passing the torch to the N900 when it arrives.

[christexaport]

Kozzi, you gave my Nikon loving mother a boner with those photos! LOL! She'd love a Nokia phone that'd accept her Nikkor and Hasselblad lenses.

Nilchak, Pixelpipe is new, but they're getting faster by the minute. I think its a server thing, not sure, but Pixelpipe will become a standard soon, mark my words. Free and agile is the way of progress.

And Flickr is fine, but Ovi will be alot more popular pretty soon. It doesn't require others to be your social buddies to share with it, either, so I don't get the friends on Flickr thing. You can share links to your data, and from the looks of things, Nokia is planning to buy a social network or build one of its own. (I hope its MySpace they want, tbh) Photo sharing will be big for Ovi as soon as Americans can get access to more Nokia devices, which is happening now. Look what the iPhone did for Flickr, and imagine what a US market full of Nokia cams will do for Ovi Share.

[qole]

...you gave my ... mother a boner

Seriously, what?!

She'd love a Nokia phone that'd accept her Nikkor and Hasselblad lenses.

Yes, the N900 will take Nikkor and Hasselblad lenses. You only need a good set of rubber bands to secure the lenses properly.

While the N900's camera may have a proud heritage with other N-series devices, the N900 has to be the first cameraphone that can take a picture (or video) from the command line...

[timsamoff]

Flickr...require others to be your social buddies to share with it, either, so I don't get the friends on Flickr thing.
Flickr doesn't require anyone to be your friend to see your photos unless you specify that option for your photo(s)/video(s) (or specify that you only want friends and/or relatives to see the hi-res versions, or order prints, or whatever). Adding friends on Flickr is (usually) only meant to allow you to keep track of friends' (and others') media, not disallow others from seeing or linking to yours.

Tim

[qole]

I love Flickr. My only complaint is that their free service only allows 200 photos on your photostream.

[QueenShawtii]

Does Ovi have a photostream feature like Flickr?

[timsamoff]

I love Flickr. My only complaint is that their free service only allows 200 photos on your photostream.
But a year of Pro service is only $25, Qole! :p

Tim

[qole]

I just keep waiting. And hoping (http://www.flickr.com/gift/).

[christexaport]

Does Ovi have a photostream feature like Flickr?

Honestly, I killed Flickr long ago. I'm not sure what the photostream is, but all content is freely shown on Ovi. It lacks the editing of Flickr, though, I'll admit.

I guess I don't like the social features of Flickr because I'm already doing the same thing with MySpace and Facebook, but I see the value in it for many. Maybe I'm more of a Nokia whore than I'd noticed, because it is simple in comparison to Flickr, but that's what I like about it. I let my other social sites do the friending.

[christexaport]

If you already have an Nokia/Ovi account, you have a Share account already. Its integrated in the Nokia device, and easy to use.

[slate8]

This one just popped up - HUGE! http://www.mobypicture.com/user/wonderhelm/view/516449/sizes/full