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From yesterdays Linux Insider
The Nokia N900 will be available in select markets starting in October at about $713. It's not likely to come to the United States any time soon.
"Nokia has other things in the hopper for the U.S. market, namely growing its presence and building smartphones for CDMA networks," IDC's Llamas explained. "It could be a while until we see the new devices here."
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/67971.html
This, if true really sucks. If the phone were subsidized by T-Mobile it would go for about $250.00 to 350.00 with a one year contract. Now you would have to pay full retail and if the phone is not "officially" for sale in the United States you could have problems if you need to use the warranty. The fact the phone is not up on the USA Nokia website is a bad sign as well. Bummer if true
jandmdickerson
2009-08-28, 23:09
So it just went through the FCC process so it could languish? :confused:
So far the "leaks" have been better sources (than the normal tech review blogs) and the leaks say North America in October....;)
From yesterdays Linux Insider
The Nokia N900 will be available in select markets starting in October at about $713. It's not likely to come to the United States any time soon.
"Nokia has other things in the hopper for the U.S. market, namely growing its presence and building smartphones for CDMA networks," IDC's Llamas explained. "It could be a while until we see the new devices here."
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/67971.html
This, if true really sucks. If the phone were subsidized by T-Mobile it would go for about $250.00 to 350.00 with a one year contract. Now you would have to pay full retail and if the phone is not "officially" for sale in the United States you could have problems if you need to use the warranty. The fact the phone is not up on the USA Nokia website is a bad sign as well. Bummer if true
If there's anything I've learned about analysts, it's that they are full of **** 90% of the time.
sachin007
2009-08-28, 23:13
From yesterdays Linux Insider
The Nokia N900 will be available in select markets starting in October at about $713. It's not likely to come to the United States any time soon.
"Nokia has other things in the hopper for the U.S. market, namely growing its presence and building smartphones for CDMA networks," IDC's Llamas explained. "It could be a while until we see the new devices here."
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/67971.html
This, if true really sucks. If the phone were subsidized by T-Mobile it would go for about $250.00 to 350.00 with a one year contract. Now you would have to pay full retail and if the phone is not "officially" for sale in the United States you could have problems if you need to use the warranty. The fact the phone is not up on the USA Nokia website is a bad sign as well. Bummer if true
Thats because t-mobile want exclusivity and they will announce it at nokia world and then the nokia usa store will open.
If there's anything I've learned about analysts, it's that they are full of **** 90% of the time.
I remember in 2004-ish, some highly-paid analysts predicted the Nintendo Wii would come in third place with the PS3 dominating the majority market. All they were doing was looking at what had happened in the past and extrapolated it to the future.
And remember a few months ago when there were analysts claiming Nokia had dropped Maemo in favour of Android?
And for literally years before that there were analysts claiming Nokia was going to imminently drop Symbian in favour of Windows Mobile.
Really you have to wonder what these people are paid for. The only predictions most analysts seem to get right are the ones that are so short term and predictable that no one could get them wrong. Anything long term (i.e. anything actually useful) and they just seem to spout any old random cobblers.
christexaport
2009-08-28, 23:41
Nokia has been making a point of focusing on the US market, and I bet we get it before anyone else. The big developer talent in the world is in Russia, India, China, and the US, and of those, the US is the only one with a recovering economy and the financials to make it a hit if it goes well.
christexaport
2009-08-28, 23:42
but i'm only guessing, not stating fact
but i'm only guessing, not stating fact
Congrats. You're now an analyst. :)
Take a look at the keynote speakers at Nokia World, after the CEO of Nokia is Rene Obermann, CEO, Deutsche Telekom.
Seems incredulous that Tmobile wont release this world wide and after FCC cert, it seems a dead cert. ;)
Congrats. You're now an analyst. :)
I LOL'ed while eating a BK big fish and nearly choked. Thanks a lot ZJ!
Sorry, the usual thanks just didn't suffice. And I agree about your analysts statement. The only thing worse is a financial analyst. :D
I LOL'ed while eating a BK big fish and nearly choked. Thanks a lot ZJ!
Sorry, the usual thanks just didn't suffice. And I agree about your analysts statement. The only thing worse is a financial analyst. :D
Click "Thanks" anyways, dammit. ;P
If there's anything I've learned about analysts, it's that they are full of **** 90% of the time.
Hey! I'm full of it 95% of the time. Don't shortchange this analyst's BS! :p
glabifrons
2009-08-29, 02:03
T-mobile? Gawd, I hope not!
They are pathological about hobbling everything!
The HipTop/SideKick started out a nice device with a strong developer network... they locked it down so you had to be a published developer to get a key to install software that they didn't have in their "store"... which absolutely blows. There were a ton of apps on the (former) SideKick Developer Network site that I wanted, and I didn't care if they were "beta" or not. In case it doesn't stand out... if you can't test the app on your device, you can't release it, so when they changed the rules for becoming a developer, they essentially shut any new devs out.
Now look at what they did with the G1... which I would absolutely love to have, but they're locking down a device that you're not supposed to be able to lock down.
I was thinking about paying full retail for one and switching to AT&T, but I've read that they even hobbled the radio so you can't use the G1 on AT&T's frequencies! (I sincerely hope what I read was bull)
In case you're wondering... I like the G1's keyboard. None of the other Androids have anything close. Heck, I'd rank that keyboard way above the one on the N900 (though I think I'd prefer the Nokia if the price were more realistic).
I'm afraid of what they'll do to this thing when they get their greedy mits on it.
Disclosure: I've owned the SideKick (1) Color and SideKick 2 for about 6 years, and if it weren't for T-Mobile, I would probably have bought the SK3 when it came out.
They really do have a F*(# the customer attitude.
(if you want specifics, I can write a book)
Well I hope it is wrong but the N97 and other Nokias phones have passed FCC with 3g bands for at&t yet they were not sold through or subsidized by them. I am going to get it regardless unless the warranty is not valid here.
glabifrons
T-Mobile didn't hobble the G1 any more than At&t hobbled the iphone by not including T-mobile 3g bands on it. Thats just how its done here
glabifrons
T-Mobile didn't hobble the G1 any more than At&t hobbled the iphone by not including T-mobile 3g bands on it. Thats just how its done here
Aw, let's just continue to whine that the carrier subsidized phone is "hobbled" to ... the carrier.
Choke up the cash for the non-carrier-subsidized version, and you don't get the lock down (or, pay off the phone, and get the unlock code ...).
I left Verizon so I /could/ get a non-carrier phone -- and have been glad to pay the extra $$ ever since.
T-mobile? Gawd, I hope not!
They are pathological about hobbling everything!
The HipTop/SideKick started out a nice device with a strong developer network... they locked it down so you had to be a published developer to get a key to install software that they didn't have in their "store"... which absolutely blows. There were a ton of apps on the (former) SideKick Developer Network site that I wanted, and I didn't care if they were "beta" or not. In case it doesn't stand out... if you can't test the app on your device, you can't release it, so when they changed the rules for becoming a developer, they essentially shut any new devs out.
Now look at what they did with the G1... which I would absolutely love to have, but they're locking down a device that you're not supposed to be able to lock down.
I was thinking about paying full retail for one and switching to AT&T, but I've read that they even hobbled the radio so you can't use the G1 on AT&T's frequencies! (I sincerely hope what I read was bull)
In case you're wondering... I like the G1's keyboard. None of the other Androids have anything close. Heck, I'd rank that keyboard way above the one on the N900 (though I think I'd prefer the Nokia if the price were more realistic).
I'm afraid of what they'll do to this thing when they get their greedy mits on it.
Disclosure: I've owned the SideKick (1) Color and SideKick 2 for about 6 years, and if it weren't for T-Mobile, I would probably have bought the SK3 when it came out.
They really do have a F*(# the customer attitude.
(if you want specifics, I can write a book)
Sign-up for a new line. Receive subsidized (reduced cost) device. Cancel service within the initial grace period because of "poor signal" or "bad coverage" in the areas you intend to use it. Unlock device. Rock on. :eek:
I think the whole locking a device to the service provider initially was a way to discourage ^that behavior.
I'm sure that technicly your supposed to box up your used device and ship it back and wait 90 days for a refund but... what are they going to do with a used device when they recieve it back 30 days after it was first released?
Something tells me they either don't or can't make much effort to retrieve a device that was not returned and just cut their losses with what money that was paid for the dang thing at signing. Why else would they bother locking down the thing in the first place?
paulkoan
2009-08-29, 03:45
What is the feasibility of boycotting simless CDMA networks in the US?
Their prevalence seems to be the reason this happens to you guys. Is there GSM coverage everywhere?
What is the feasibility of boycotting simless CDMA networks in the US?
Their prevalence seems to be the reason this happens to you guys. Is there GSM coverage everywhere?
I can't see such a boycott succeeding... too few people here want to do more than grumble occasionally. Americans have gotten "good" over the years at ceding real choice for immediate convenience. :rolleyes:
But there is great GSM coverage, anyway. Spotty depending on carrier and locale, but great overall. I drove from north Texas to southern California a few years ago and only lost signal (AT&T) for a few minutes in the west Texas mountains. Other than that it was crystal clear and consistent.
"Nokia has other things in the hopper for the U.S. market, namely growing its presence and building smartphones for CDMA networks," IDC's Llamas explained. "It could be a while until we see the new devices here."
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/67971.htmlOTE]
This is a standard ploy of publish or perish. Thes editors gotta have something to write about or you're out on the street eating saltines and bread crumbs.
And I am full of BS 99% of the time. Cheers!
benny1967
2009-08-29, 08:43
Now look at what they did with the G1... which I would absolutely love to have, but they're locking down a device that you're not supposed to be able to lock down.
??? Why shouldn't one be able to lock it down? They chose Android's licence very carefully so vendors and carriers would be able to lock it down completely. Contrary to what marketing tries to make you believe, Android is not an open system. The SDK is open source, but what's on your phone needn't be and usually isn't.
livefreeordie
2009-08-29, 09:35
??? Why shouldn't one be able to lock it down? They chose Android's licence very carefully so vendors and carriers would be able to lock it down completely. Contrary to what marketing tries to make you believe, Android is not an open system. The SDK is open source, but what's on your phone needn't be and usually isn't.
Absolutely true. This message needs to be spread more imho, because otherwise the American FOSS crowd may end up supporting the wrong platform just because it's Google.
Another "analyst" prediction I've read since the launch is that the N900 is a step in the right direction, but the choice to use Symbian on cheaper devices is questionable, because it would also need a UI overhaul. The coming UI overhaul is, of course, public knowledge.
The true cost of "capitalism"... :D
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2624/3863982070_dd30a7a02a_o.png
Or as we say in Philadelphia; "Yo AT&T, subsidize this." (grabs crotch).
>> http://www.billshrink.com/blog/mobile-phone-costs-service/
christexaport
2009-08-29, 12:21
Congrats. You're now an analyst. :)
How cute.
If there's anything I've learned about analysts, it's that they are full of **** 90% of the time.
Me being an actual analyst, I resent that. :mad: But I think being an analyst means standing in the fire when you're wrong. I just rarely am. ;) And I'm sure it was only a joke, anyway.
Take a look at the keynote speakers at Nokia World, after the CEO of Nokia is Rene Obermann, CEO, Deutsche Telekom.
Seems incredulous that Tmobile wont release this world wide and after FCC cert, it seems a dead cert. ;)
If you search back to 2007 and 2008 on Symbian Freak, you'll see that I'd predicted Nokia could leverage its global relationship with Deutsche Telekom/TMobile to gain traction in the US, with a possible global temporary exclusive, or at least a US exclusive. The next move would be quadband 3G radios in premium devices.
I may not be one of the guys at Gartners or Accenture, but I know my stuff, and I do it all on my own with no budget. So I promise that while others spit 90% bulls..t, I'm probably one of the closest to hitting the mark most of the time, as I'm always told.
I think once you get to know me, you'll respect my opinion more. I've earned my respect, and never felt entitled, so I hope you give my predictions a chance. The Nokia World event will have a small G1 debut-like component for Maemo5/N900.
There's my 10%.
christexaport
2009-08-29, 12:30
The reason devices are "crippled" isn't the carrier's fault. The FCC decides which frequencies get used, and since there are no more licenses for 850/1900, the only new bandwidth is in 1700/2100. This is good for TMobileUSA, since their entire network is set up this way, whereas the others that have capacity issues can only increase bandwidth with the nascent frequencies, meaning its devices would be forced to add 1700/2100 for a small coverage area just to ensure compatibility. They avoid that with the plague, because it'd mean their devices would work on TMobile's system, something they avoid at all costs. TMobileUSA is on an isolated frequency, and not many people make devices for it yet, but Nokia is about the only non Android company making one. HTC has some WinMo kit in the door as well.
The real magic button is getting the US to force all GSM radios in new unlocked devices support both carriers via quadband WCDMA. That is what would cause our market to explode. Whether it will happen is another issue. The arrival of LTE may slow that initiative, which I support, but LTE can also negate the need for it altogether, assuming a voice standard for LTE emerges.
That's included in my 10%, btw. The other 90% I reserve for the student loan collectors and my girlfriend when I get myself in trouble.
christexaport
2009-08-29, 12:32
Another "analyst" prediction I've read since the launch is that the N900 is a step in the right direction, but the choice to use Symbian on cheaper devices is questionable, because it would also need a UI overhaul. The coming UI overhaul is, of course, public knowledge.
I'll be covering that issue in my article on Symbian Freak pretty soon, maybe this morning, now that you mention it.
christexaport
2009-08-29, 12:33
Here's a clue:
That analyst? Speaking from his 90% allotment! LOL
sachin007
2009-08-29, 14:32
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://thenokiablog.com/2009/08/29/nokia-n900-variant-850-1900-3g/&ct=ga&cd=dO7ijpyuxA0&usg=AFQjCNFuGbcFk3CqJxOdCZnTl0zas1U_vg
Totally agree on opinions of analyst have worthless opinions.
(corrected in respect to texrat)
@christexaport
I don't think the maemo community know much about symbian-freak since s60 got nothing to do with the people here... lol
You know, ming387, a joke like zerojay's is one thing-- there's no reason to outright insult. We analysts are people too... and not at all worthless.
And Chris-- good to see you here. Hopefully we can get another DFW meetup going soon. I need to use you guys as guinea pigs for a presentation test. :D
You know, ming387, a joke like zerojay's is one thing-- there's no reason to outright insult. We analysts are people too... and not at all worthless.
And Chris-- good to see you here. Hopefully we can get another DFW meetup going soon. I need to use you guys as guinea pigs for a presentation test. :D
I corrected my comment.
BTW, anybody know what penguinbait is doing?
I hope he have a proto of the N900 - he did some really good work for the maemo community.
Here's a clue:
That analyst? Speaking from his 90% allotment! LOL
I've gotta call a whiskey, tango, foxtrot on that big guy... I don't know what happened but I see 3 successive posts by you. Are you replying to yourself or was this thread edited. :confused:
benny1967
2009-08-29, 20:51
otherwise the American FOSS crowd may end up supporting the wrong platform just because it's Google.
"because it's Google"? wouldn't that be "even though it's google"? people who are interested in free software etc. usually stay away as far away as possible from google. bad, bad reputation.
By the way, I had absolutely no idea that chris WAS an analyst. What I said was partially a joke and it's through experiences where I had inside info on quite a few different things (completely unrelated to tablets, Nokia, cell phones, etc...) only to hear analysts "guarantee" things that were completely wrong.
livefreeordie
2009-08-29, 21:08
"because it's Google"? wouldn't that be "even though it's google"? people who are interested in free software etc. usually stay away as far away as possible from google. bad, bad reputation.
Google has plenty of misguided Linux followers who don't understand why it's not enough to use the kernel to run a virtual machine.
Please 'scuse the ignorance, as i've been under the (un?)friendly confines of sprint since..forever.. but how are issues handled with unlocked phones via carrier insurance?
Say i buy the N900 unlocked and the phone acts up, needs servicing or replacing.. do i turn to Nokia, or the carrier its under?
Go to local Chinatown. Find shady looking phone shop. Find N900. Get 2 line T-Mobile family plan. Get free N900.
I did this when the N95-1 first came out. The receipt said $800 but I only paid for the activation.
Say i buy the N900 unlocked and the phone acts up, needs servicing or replacing.. do i turn to Nokia, or the carrier its under?
Treat it like any hardware purchase.
If you don't buy from the carrier you cannot expect hardware support from them.
Support would be from Nokia. Maybe seller if problems occur shortly after purchase.
barry99705
2009-08-29, 23:14
Hey! I'm full of it 95% of the time. Don't shortchange this analyst's BS! :p
Don't worry dude, 4/3 people have trouble with fractions and 87% of statistics on the internet are made up. :D
Treat it like any hardware purchase.
If you don't buy from the carrier you cannot expect hardware support from them.
Support would be from Nokia. Maybe seller if problems occur shortly after purchase.
Well the reason i ask is because i've never purchased a phone directly from Sprint, yet their insurance always covered any issues i've had..replacements or otherwise(Touch Pro at the moment, purchased from a private party).
But Thanks for the info!
christexaport
2009-08-31, 02:57
Totally agree on opinions of analyst have worthless opinions.
(corrected in respect to texrat)
@christexaport
I don't think the maemo community know much about symbian-freak since s60 got nothing to do with the people here... lol
You must not know the direction Symbian is headed in, then! Symbian and Maemo will be forever tied when Symbian^4 is released, because the main app developer toolkit will be based on Qt, and pretty much any Qt app on Maemo will be easily ported to Symbian as well. And despite the rumors, Symbian isn't dead. It fits a niche Maemo isn't suited for. The N900 is an almost minimum hardware setup for Maemo, requiring 3D for the UI, etc., whereas Symbian is more versatile as far as hardware is concerned.
so Symbian and Maemo are of the same bloodline come 18 months from now.
christexaport
2009-08-31, 03:03
I've gotta call a whiskey, tango, foxtrot on that big guy... I don't know what happened but I see 3 successive posts by you. Are you replying to yourself or was this thread edited. :confused:
I'm multitasking in various windows at the moment, and responding to individual threads. I'm a voracious comment monster. Sorry if it seems like spam, but get used to me, because Maemo5 is my big thing right now, and I'm new to Linux as a whole. Thinking of doing an Unbuntu PC as well, but a bit scared to lose my workflow. I prefer Symbian, but I'm on a PC the past week.
BTW, Dr. Tran, will you be testing/reviewing the Nokia 12mp camera when it comes out, and if so, where will it be posted?
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