View Full Version : N900 video walkthrough in italian
sachin007
2009-09-01, 22:26
http://thenokiablog.com/2009/09/01/video-nokia-n900-walkthrough/
Can someone translate!
Thanks
sachin007
2009-09-01, 22:32
Wow..... Just wow...
The device is mind blowing!!
Great screen sensitivity and very very nice.
Really really happy!
sachin007
2009-09-01, 22:41
If you observe carefully.... when he was scrolling the web page most of his finger was on the side of the screen. If that is true and we can scroll with the edge of the screen... that would be awesome... no more clicking links while trying to scroll.
And i did you guys see how fast the nokia Italian site loaded.....
did you see how fast nokia site loaded in the browser wow it was not pre-loaded like other windows,it loaded from blank page, it was 3rd window opened.
in normal mobile devices that site takes a while to load b/c all the flash content but n900 handles it with ease
Can someone translate!
He doesn't say anything we don't know already: he enumerates the features of the device (wrongly saying that's the first one with Linux), he says that you can have multiple desktops, fully customizable, he says that you can have various browser windows open and they'll all update even in the background, he shows how the zoom work then he shows how you can tag a photo and how easy it is to upload to any service (specifically facebook).
haha sachin we both posted about nokia site loading at exact same time the browser is so fast though cant miss being impressed
sachin007
2009-09-01, 22:45
And Ovi is already built in!
did you see how fast nokia site loaded in the browser wow it was not pre-loaded like other windows
It could have been in the browser cache, but still, it's impressive.
I hope someone'll do a Twitpic upload service for photos (perhaps prompting for the corresponding tweet - using feedservice?)
sachin007
2009-09-02, 00:01
Surprising... i thought that many of the users will be amazed by the video..... looks like everyone already knew most of the stuff!
jethro.itt
2009-09-02, 00:05
The keyboard didn't look like a standard English one. That's good. I hope there will be a Swe/Fin variant as well, like with the N810.
If you observe carefully.... when he was scrolling the web page most of his finger was on the side of the screen. If that is true and we can scroll with the edge of the screen... that would be awesome... no more clicking links while trying to scroll.
And i did you guys see how fast the nokia Italian site loaded.....
Yep, that stood out big time. Be very happy if the black bits are active.
Do you have a time stamp on the site loading bit?
Edit: Found it, think it was cached but still fast. Cant say im fan of the swirly finger bit, look like a right plonker doing that on the train.
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bluehash
2009-09-02, 03:28
Surprising... i thought that many of the users will be amazed by the video..... looks like everyone already knew most of the stuff!
Perhaps because of the earlier demo by Jussi. Most of the stuff was repeated. But thanks for sharing.
I don't know Italian, but I do know Spanish and they are similar. Most of his points are already known, and nicely written over the video. Nice walkthrough, but I notice the task switching seems slow at times. Hope that is fixed in recent builds.
Looks like an early prototype. Notice the missing 'N900' at the front?
Looks like an early prototype. Notice the missing 'N900' at the front?
Also, I think Peter@MaemoMarketing mentioned that Eldar's device has outdated software. If they kept the pace of N97 development (which were heard to have new firmwares per week), then I suppose the device is way better now.
Also, I think Peter@MaemoMarketing mentioned that Eldar's device has outdated software. If they kept the pace of N97 development (which were heard to have new firmwares per week), then I suppose the device is way better now.
Yup, Peter did tweet about a software update 3 days ago: http://twitter.com/PeterMaemo/status/3648234651
GeneralAntilles
2009-09-02, 04:04
Looks like an early prototype. Notice the missing 'N900' at the front?
I haven't seen a single N900 in any of the released footage (minus the marketing ones). They may be being produced as we speak, or they may all be locked up in a warehouse somewhere.
i just watch the video, when the keyboard is exposed, the screen blank for a moment why is that? this also happen when the keyboard closed.
N97 also do the same thing, but this is acceptable because it has portrait and landscape orientation however N900 only have landscape orientation so what is that? is the screen refreshing?
one more thing, the panoramic desktop, is there only 4 of them like in the video? or we can add more?
GeneralAntilles
2009-09-02, 04:13
i just watch the video, when the keyboard is exposed, the screen blank for a moment why is that? this also happen when the keyboard closed.
The screen had dimmed before he opened the keyboard, so it could have something to do with that. But, yeah, peculiar.
sachin007
2009-09-02, 04:23
The screen had dimmed before he opened the keyboard, so it could have something to do with that. But, yeah, peculiar.
I think it is due to the screen dimming thing... it does not happen when he opens the keyboard while typing the tags for the photos...
debernardis
2009-09-02, 04:31
One thing he shows is easy uploading of photos to facebook/ovi/whatever - don't know if it was covered in reviews before.
One more detail: the wallpaper in the desktop switching part looks like a continuous picture... :D
how about the panoramic desktop, is there a maximum of 4 like in the video?
nikolajhendel
2009-09-02, 04:57
If you read about the new theme manager, what you do is create one large background for the desktop - which spans 4 N900 desktops.
So yes - I presume that the max desktops are 4 (or at the least you loose that nice continuous feel).
If you read about the new theme manager, what you do is create one large background for the desktop - which spans 4 N900 desktops.
So yes - I presume that the max desktops are 4 (or at the least you loose that nice continuous feel).
Ah, dumb me, now I get the talk about the panoramic desktop...
Hmmmm...
Panoramic monitor/linear seat cockpit...
Eh, disregard that... digressing.
Watching that video, my lust for the hardware heightened...
...but my concerns of the OS also heightened.
Nipple tweaking zooms?? I thought only htc was blond enough to implement something like that :D Still waiting for a video showing proper double-tap zooming. Unlike the double tap that Jussi performed in the prior video (in dance dust blog) which resulted in an auto-zoom to the wrong area of the screen.
Overall speed seems ok, as to be expected with Cortex A8 class device. Unfortunately screen tearing when switching around the multiple home screens was also possible in this video.
The guy seems very quick and comfortable with the hardware keyboard. That's a very good indication :D
allnameswereout
2009-09-02, 05:27
The keyboard didn't look like a standard English one. That's good. I hope there will be a Swe/Fin variant as well, like with the N810.Its Italian layout; the N900 version of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Italian
The zooming I hadn't notice before. I think double tap is much more practical than this fr@ctal zooming.
Watching that video, my lust for the hardware heightened...but my concerns of the OS also heightened.
Nipple tweaking zooms?? I thought only htc was blond enough to implement something like that :D Still waiting for a video showing proper double-tap zooming. Unlike the double tap that Jussi performed in the prior video (in dance dust blog) which resulted in an auto-zoom to the wrong area of the screen.
Yes. I'm personally not a huge fan of that twirling. But double tapping works well. I cannot say that it doesn't ever miss the target, but in 90% of the cases it does what you expect. Plus also the HW +/- (on top of the device) work for zooming pages.
I think double tapping and gestures based on accurate tapping can be a problem on a resistive screen. My NITs often register multiple taps when using fingers. So "nipple tweaking" gestures are more safe to not be misinterpreted by the tablet.
Oh wow. If resistive screen on N900 has that sort of problem with the basic functionality of the UI compared to capacitive, they should spend more effort to showcase the advantages (higher accuracy, stylus capable) by having good painting\notes apps and handwriting recognition.
GeneralAntilles
2009-09-02, 07:10
I think double tapping and gestures based on accurate tapping can be a problem on a resistive screen. My NITs often register multiple taps when using fingers.
Mostly the touchscreen drivers on current tablets suck.
The keyboard didn't look like a standard English one. That's good.
But did you notice the arrow keys? Only two of them (left/right), and apparently you have to use them shifted to go up & down.
Plus also the HW +/- (on top of the device) work for zooming pages.
There you go. Double-tap, nipple twiggle/fiddle/cripple, zoom buttons. Whatever works. Three different ways to zoom, I'm sure we can learn to use our instincts to know which one will work on any given page.
But did you notice the arrow keys? Only two of them (left/right), and apparently you have to use them shifted to go up & down.
Yuk! I feel sorry for people who get that keyboard...
A new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrYqemylpIo
Yuk! I feel sorry for people who get that keyboard...
You apparently only type in languages that can be written with the basic US layout. A different layout is great when you actually need the extra keys. Imagine writing something without A & Q letters and I think you'll get the idea :)
attila77
2009-09-02, 10:25
Hey, my native language has an official count of 44 letters. Heck, if I just count vowels, there's 14 of them ! :) As nasty as it is, I just dropped the alternate letters and use symbols, otherwise I'd type a message an hour. So, á becomes a', ő is o" and such. Ugly ? Absolutely. But, I'd actually prefer a software solution that automatically transcodes that than getting a super-button-overloaded keyboard. I already hate the way I have to press '8' no less than 6 (yes, six) times on a phone keyboard to get a 'v' letter. My 2c.
As for the layout changes, see attached... You have added é á ó and maybe í (my diacritics are mirrored, sorry), lost some cursors, and probably :;
But did you notice the arrow keys? Only two of them (left/right), and apparently you have to use them shifted to go up & down.
Ew, like on the C64 in the 80s. :(
Well, if there is choice between me having my äöå characters as dedicated characters and having cursor keys, I would go for öäå instantly.
FN+left and right is up and down for those layouts. Yes, like on the C64. But FN+something isn't so bad. (Learn that mantra, you will be using FN a lot anyway, for numbers, punctuation etc.)
It isn't so bad, really.
Edit: And anyway, English users still have the four dedicated cursor keys, so you don't need to even worry about this.
KapteeniTunkki
2009-09-02, 12:04
People, People. Calm down and see the keyboard behind prints on the keys.
Keyboard itself is very plain with essentially no distinctive keys besides spacebar. As it has been established, you can remap keys and even have a 8-way cursor keys in the middle of keyboard if you fancy that.
And yes, I acknowledge that this is an issue with less technically savvy persons, but therefore Nokia does differentation with keyboard variants.
attila77
2009-09-02, 13:15
Well, if there is choice between me having my äöå characters as dedicated characters and having cursor keys, I would go for öäå instantly.
Depends on usage pattern I guess. I do use cursors extensively and I routinely (should) use áéíöőóüúű, čćžšđ, and the occasional ä, which makes pretty much any layout painful (damn them language standardizers of centuries past, they did not have keyboard buttons to worry about...). If had just 3 letters to consider, maybe, but with this mess... give me my cursors, as the layout is going to suck anyway :)
Yuk! I feel sorry for people who get that keyboard...
Well, according to Qole in his excellent review (http://maemo.org/community/council/the_n900_from_a_community_perspective/) (who this long was secretly cherishing his N900)
the keyboard to him is better than even the DPad.
(and to think we were having a war raging over here over that damned missing DPad) :D
The keyboard is nice and “clicky”, and I found it fairly easy to use. In low light, the keyboard becomes attractively backlit. I know this will sound like sacrilege to some, but I actually like the chunky, tactile arrow keys on the keyboard better than the awkward, squishy D-Pad of my N800.
cheetos316
2009-09-02, 14:42
So the N900 is not multi-touch? The zoom in/out feature is nice with the circular motions but why not just do multi-touch? Is that fully patented by Apple or something? Also, anyone else find that stand really filmsy looking?
attila77
2009-09-02, 14:51
So the N900 is not multi-touch? The zoom in/out feature is nice with the circular motions but why not just do multi-touch? Is that fully patented by Apple or something? Also,
If you mean why not apple style zoom, that's probably a mix of resistive screen (it can do multi-touch to an extent, but not like that) and legal/corporate reasons.
Well, according to Qole in his excellent review (http://maemo.org/community/council/the_n900_from_a_community_perspective/) (who this long was secretly cherishing his N900)
the keyboard to him is better than even the DPad.
(and to think we were having a war raging over here over that damned missing DPad) :D
I was talking specifically about the keyboard with only left and right keys, with up and down shifted. The normal four way cursor keys look ok, and from what I hear about the feel of the keyboard, it sounds pretty good.
GeneralAntilles
2009-09-02, 15:07
So the N900 is not multi-touch? The zoom in/out feature is nice with the circular motions but why not just do multi-touch? Is that fully patented by Apple or something? Also, anyone else find that stand really filmsy looking?
A variety of reasons ranging from expense, power usage, and precision to the type of UI interactions required. Forgot the Apple marketing and know that Nokia made the right choice.
If you mean why not apple style zoom, that's probably a mix of resistive screen (it can do multi-touch to an extent, but not like that) and legal/corporate reasons.
I doubt that's patented by apple. Android already has that 'feature' in their latest version.
I don't know why they implemented the inferior nipple twirls though.. it's less precise with less control of the speed and range (less efficient) compared to the two-fingers zoom motion like on iphone and android... although you can use the twirls with just one finger.
attila77
2009-09-02, 15:29
I doubt that's patented by apple. Android already has that 'feature' in their latest version.
As discussed before, a patent only means you have to deal with the owner. And Apple even had Google folks on their top boards until recently. Why would it then be impossible to think they managed to make an agreement at one point ?
I don't know why they implemented the inferior nipple twirls though.. it's less precise with less control of the speed and range (less efficient) compared to the two-fingers zoom motion like on iphone and android...
You can't zoom like that on most resistive screens. And before you say 'then switch to capacitive', please take into account what you need to sacrifice to get that single gesture. Capacitive characteristics are not a superset of resistive, it's a completely different alternative.
allnameswereout
2009-09-02, 16:36
Depends on usage pattern I guess. I do use cursors extensively and I routinely (should) use áéíöőóüúű, čćžšđ, and the occasional ä, which makes pretty much any layout painful (damn them language standardizers of centuries past, they did not have keyboard buttons to worry about...). If had just 3 letters to consider, maybe, but with this mess... give me my cursors, as the layout is going to suck anyway :)Well, your language is very phonetic and the additional letters are of importance to that. A phonetic language has its advantages as well as its disadvantages. Case in point: the Serbian words I learned are relatively easy spell once I got the exact tonation right.
You can maybe research some kind of alternatives for the letters, minimizing them (link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Cyrillic_alphabet)). I tried that but it'd then become more English; it only works in phonetic usage.
In Germany they've succesfully replaced some letters allowing both original and replacement. In German instead of ß 2 s are allowed to be used (Straße -> Strasse). Köln may be spelled as Koeln. München may be spelled as Muenchen.
In Dutch, the special characters have faded throughout time. We hardly use them anymore; in fact you see standard QWERTY keyboards here. Some weird things are, that we have double vowels to note a long sound, such as aap (aahp instead of app) or boom (b'eaum instead of bom). Note I probably applied IPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet) wrong here...
attila77
2009-09-02, 18:22
Well, your language is very phonetic and the additional letters are of importance to that.
In any case, there is an inherent difficulty of translating alphabets to modern device buttons, and it's a very hit-and-miss on mobile devices. Obviously, languages closer to a common english/latin letter ancestry have less problems, while those further off (especially if they rely heavily on diacritics and not double letters) need to make more difficult compromises.
You can maybe research some kind of alternatives for the letters, minimizing them (link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Cyrillic_alphabet)). I tried that but it'd then become more English; it only works in phonetic usage.
Well, without going into a deep linguistical expertise, that process already started during the time Serbian was/is used with a latin alphabet (alternatives like њ/nj, љ/lj, and to a lesser extent ђ/dj). Today, however, that point is a bit moot, as language preservation and restoration is a top priority - meaning a near-zero chance of any 'official' simplifications or alternatives being suggested (whether that's good or bad, everybody decide for themselves).
PS. You almost confused me with that 'your' language, me being a bi/trilingual :)
A variety of reasons ranging from expense, power usage, and precision to the type of UI interactions required. Forgot the Apple marketing and know that Nokia made the right choice.
Say what you want regarding Apple marketing but pinching is one of the best way to zoom on a touch screen device.
GeneralAntilles
2009-09-02, 18:40
Say what you want regarding Apple marketing but pinching is one of the best way to zoom on a touch screen device.
I disagree entirely. It's one of the worst ways in my experience.
attila77
2009-09-02, 18:53
Say what you want regarding Apple marketing but pinching is one of the best way to zoom on a touch screen device.
Hey, if it's only ONE OF, there must be others, too, right ? :)
Yet another 'hands-on' video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr-BF0Gs0_E
bluehash
2009-09-02, 19:40
Yet another 'hands-on' video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr-BF0Gs0_E
It's funny reading the comments. People are more concerned about MMS and camera lag. The iPhone has 2-3 seconds before the image is displayed on the screen.
Good work Nokia. You got the hardware right this time. Just give it to us and we'll help you improve the software.
@bluehash: on a 3GS, which uses a Cortex A8 similar to the one in N900, the picture taken appears nearly instantaneously.
bluehash
2009-09-02, 19:54
@bluehash: on a 3GS, which uses a Cortex A8 similar to the one in N900, the picture taken appears nearly instantaneously.
Thanks for clarifying. You must be right. My friend has the model before the 3gs.
Capt'n Corrupt
2009-09-02, 20:06
@bluehash: on a 3GS, which uses a Cortex A8 similar to the one in N900, the picture taken appears nearly instantaneously.
Room for optimization, for sure:
ex.
1) On button press, take a really low res 'preview' shot before the 'click' notification.
2) Immediately follwing this, begin taking the final capture and notify via 'click'.
3) Display the preview shot moments after the 'click' notify while the true image is processing (or whatever is going on in the background). Have a discreet 'processing' message in the lower corner.
4) Update the preview shot with the final high res shot.
The idea is that it gives the user instant feedback, and the illusion that the shot is instantaneously taken, while affecting the time between button press and capture by imperceptible milliseconds.
If the capture time is an exposure problem, or the 'preview' will take longer than milliseconds, ignore everything I've said, and get back to your drinks.
YARR!
}:^)~
allnameswereout
2009-09-02, 20:16
@bluehash: on a 3GS, which uses a Cortex A8 similar to the one in N900, the picture taken appears nearly instantaneously.Where is the difference created? Is the camera quality the same? If your picture has a higher resolution it takes longer to render it. Then there is also shutter speed and question if flash was used. Was the picture waiting time on final device with final software? I think its new software (Farsight plugin?), right?
Instead of preview you could show some really cool animation of a mouse running saying 'thank you for your patience' but I think that is more for other market segments :D
So the N900 is not multi-touch? The zoom in/out feature is nice with the circular motions but why not just do multi-touch? Is that fully patented by Apple or something? Also, anyone else find that stand really filmsy looking?
There is no general multitouch patent by Apple, or by anyone. It's a misunderstanding.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/28/apple-vs-palm-the-in-depth-analysis/
The N900 has a resistive screen, and it doesn't properly support multitouch. I know that some manufacturers say/have resistive screens that claim to support multitouch, but the N900 doesn't have them.
The zoom in/out feature is nice with the circular motions but why not just do multi-touch? Is that fully patented by Apple or something?
There is no general multitouch patent by Apple, or by anyone. It's a misunderstanding.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/28/apple-vs-palm-the-in-depth-analysis/
Ahhhhh.....
if we are talking about covering generally the combination of zoom and multi-touch, there is one such patent. And Nokia owns it my friend.
more accurately, there is no general patent in which zoom is implemented by multi-touch
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