Another N900 Video [Archive] - maemo.org

bocaJ

2009-09-02, 10:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrYqemylpIo

A few thoughts:

Continues to look like it has a very snappy UI
I'm more convinced that the zooming will be fairly easy to deal with once I get the hang of it
The game looks cool

The skeptic in me also wonders about that youtube video. I could see the bar showing that it had loaded quite a bit but playback still seemed choppy. Also, the camera picture seemed very blurry, although I don't know if that's just youtube.

Kozzi

2009-09-02, 10:29

nice video, thanks for sharing. That bounce game looks quite nice, hope that it's full or has more than just 3 levels.

biggzy

2009-09-02, 10:38

Thanx for the video, looks fast and responsive, web browser seems fast enough with flash enabled, faster than my N97 it seems.

ysss

2009-09-02, 10:52

I agree, the UI seems snappy all around. Vsync tearing is very unfortunate and a surprise to me, I hope they fix this soon.

The keyboard looks great. The guy could type on it quickly and comfortably.

Camera looks good, but it's pretty slow saving the image. I hope this can be sped up in future updates.

Game looks ok... hopefully crossplatform development tools will come to market so that the more advanced games available on iphone\touch can be ported to maemo too.

pelago

2009-09-02, 11:25

Camera looks good, but it's pretty slow saving the image. I hope this can be sped up in future updates.
Yes, I noticed that seemed a longer wait than I was expecting.

Re: the vysnc tearing, I'm still hoping that this is an artefact that only shows up when being videoed. I've added a question about this to http://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia_World_2009_QA

ysss

2009-09-02, 11:29

@pelago: Yes, I've tried to discern that too, and my conclusion is it it's not a video recording artifact. The tearing is consistent seen from multiple angle\brightness level. I'm 90% sure it's from the device.

nilchak

2009-09-02, 11:30

There's a well done review here ...
The N900 from a Community Perspective.
http://bit.ly/BzxXG

biggzy

2009-09-02, 11:48

The time the device takes to save the image is the norm for nokia, all the n-series iv had (n80, n85, n95, n96, n97 etc) all take a few seconds to process the image, so i wouldnt wory to much about that. Id like it to have a fast shutter so we get sharp images even if the subject is moving, that will be nice.

ysss

2009-09-03, 11:11

sevla

2009-09-03, 11:37

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-hands-on-0254743/

A hands on video (very very visible screen tearing :( ) and lots of pictures.

Here's an interesting one:

http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/nokia_n900_hands-on_slashgear_27.jpg

I didn't see any screen tearing on the phone. I think what you might of saw is the refresh rate on the camera being slightly different on the phone perhaps.

ysss

2009-09-03, 11:50

@sevla: i'd buy that argument if the n900 sports crt screen and flashes willdly in the videos. Unfortunately this isn't the case. It's apparent (to me anyway) in all n900 videos so far from all angles. It visible in horizontal scrolls like when switching desktops.

dwould

2009-09-03, 13:05

Jaffa

2009-09-03, 13:06

There's some tearing noticeable in some circumstances using the device in practice. But not really noticeable.

It's also still undergoing heavy development. Peter Schneider described some of their agile development processes, automated regression testing, continuous integration and continually updated test images available internally. Lots still going on undeer the covers between now & October.

fatdat888

2009-09-03, 13:11

ysss

2009-09-03, 13:45

@ysss I can only imagine you really know what you're looking for. Even looking closely I didn't notice anything. Maybe you see at a higher framerate than me ;-)
Are you someone that can tell what Hz a monitor runs at just by looking at it?

CRT screens, yes, but not LCD screens. I'm a PC gamer.. vsync tearing is one common gripes when playing FPS (first person shooter) because it easily breaks the immersiveness of 3D environment when you can see your whole screen 'breaks' in the middle =P

At any rate, N900 has no technical excuse to have vsync tearing *grumbles*.

I'm waiting for the final version before I b*tch more about this issue :D

Jaffa

2009-09-03, 13:50

The flash performance is disappointing.

It seems variable: works well on YouTube, but less so on other sites. Apparently still being worked on, so it may get better.

Other than that, the device looks really good. :D

Oh, it's so good :-)

dansus

2009-09-03, 15:45

Looks like the firmware needs a few tweaks, but that will come as ever with Nokia.

I presume you can turn flash off like before.

sevla

2009-09-03, 15:46

Another video and podcast about the N900 from JKK mobile and Chippy:

http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/09/jkk-gets-hands-on-with-the-nokia-n900-video-and-podcast/

The flash performance is disappointing.

Other than that, the device looks really good. :D

I think youtube mileage will vary. Even on my pc I notice that some youtube vids take longer to load then others.

http://www.twitvid.com/13ADD

In that video the n900 is playing a youtube vid very smoothly so I think it's also heavily dependent on your wifi connection as well.

theflew

2009-09-03, 16:23

@ysss LCD's don't refresh the same way CRT's do but they do replace the image at some interval and the camera taking them videos are running at a specific number of fps. So the net result can be something that isn't quite life like.

ysss

2009-09-03, 16:35

@theflew: thanks for the clarification. But I've read a few reports from people who've had some hands on time with the N900 to have seen the v-sync tearing issue. The latest one was by a member of this forum:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=320839#post320839

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Mara

2009-09-03, 17:04

I for one would be disappointed if the device does have the tearing issue...

I looked the youtube video very carefully and I can't say if the N900 does have tearing issue. In fact it looked smoother than I was expecting for a youtube video. If you look at the background objects, you can see that those experience the tearing effect as well. Especially look at the video around 3:40 where the hand waves over the screen, you can see the hand tearing a lot. (At least visible on my computer with LCD display.) We all know that this is physically impossible, so it has to be because of the video capture and/or encoding to youtube.

EDIT: Or it could be due to my computer and display limitations...

sachin007

2009-09-03, 17:17

Another video and podcast about the N900 from JKK mobile and Chippy:

http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/09/jkk-gets-hands-on-with-the-nokia-n900-video-and-podcast/

The flash performance is disappointing.

Other than that, the device looks really good. :D

As far as the flash goes, you can clearly see in the video that the video is not buffering. You dont see the red bar moving .... so that may be one of the reasons. I have seen other videos with youtube playing very well. His internet connection looks to be slow....

sachin007

2009-09-03, 17:24

ysss

2009-09-03, 18:05

@sachin: i'd say it's safe to say that probably 80% of the N900 (future) reviewers will not have much background with Maemo OS :) Better get used to it.

sachin007

2009-09-03, 18:08

@sachin: i'd say it's safe to say that probably 80% of the N900 (future) reviewers will not have much background with Maemo OS :) Better get used to it.

True. If nokia can convince them to keep it for the first week, i think there is no going back for them.... But keeping them for the first week is going to be difficult.... especially for the iphone users.

ysss

2009-09-03, 18:14

Jkk is a good reviewer. He's got some interesting write ups on his site:
- Hands on with Nokia Booklet 3G
- Sharp PC-Z1 (small super mini mnotebook running Linux on Cortex A8)
- bunch of other MIDs and netbooks.

@sachin: rofl you don't have to be a n900 apologist this soon.

zehjotkah

2009-09-03, 18:34

new video.... this time not a hands-on... ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oSEVVEWxio

edit:
aaaand another hands-on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_WlpCpwVq4
edit2: i think this hands on was made with a personal n900... so we can see a "used" calendar and some chat-windows and so on...
edit3: OMG!!! running the game in miniature modus xD

VDVsx

2009-09-03, 18:49

new video.... this time not a hands-on... ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oSEVVEWxio

Congrats lcuk, very nice work ;)

zehjotkah

2009-09-03, 18:57

interview with Ari Jaaksi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b65HRXGoZfE
edit: i LOVE his accent!!! :-D
edit2: now there are sooo many new videos, i think i will post only the ones, which i think are important in any matter...

sevla

2009-09-03, 19:21

I think the more video's i see of this phone the more impressed I am.. This is really amazing lol.

zeh: post all the vids.. they are all important lol.

biggzy

2009-09-03, 20:04

this device has alot of power, a 3D game just running ithe background and switching between tasks is so smooth, my n97 only dreams of this sort of power lol

pelago

2009-09-04, 15:53

I I dont know who JKK is but he sure has zero background in maemo OS and it clearly shows. It is definitely going to have a very steep learning curve. But after u get to use it a couple of days... i think it is a very good device for newbies.
I'm worried a little about how this device will seem to new users. JKK certainly had some trouble getting the zoom browsing and mouse selection stuff working.

Kozzi

2009-09-04, 16:28

I'm worried a little about how this device will seem to new users. JKK certainly had some trouble getting the zoom browsing and mouse selection stuff working.

I played with N900 for awhile at Nokia Flagship Store in Helsinki and I must admit, that the cursor feature might get some time to get used to, at least for me. Selecting something wasn't as easy as I though, maybe Maemo 5 needs something like iphone's magnify trick or you have to zoom in first. Wish I could have tried it out longer but there was few people behind me and even though there is like 20-30 N97s, the store had only one N900 which was a prototype as one worker told me.

sachin007

2009-09-04, 17:19

I played with N900 for awhile at Nokia Flagship Store in Helsinki and I must admit, that the cursor feature might get some time to get used to, at least for me. Selecting something wasn't as easy as I though, maybe Maemo 5 needs something like iphone's magnify trick or you have to zoom in first. Wish I could have tried it out longer but there was few people behind me and even though there is like 20-30 N97s, the store had only one N900 which was a prototype as one worker told me.

So after using the device for a while.... will you buy it right now?

What are the other things which were not what you thought were form the videos?

Thanks

Kozzi

2009-09-04, 18:11

will you buy it right now?
Thanks
The answer would be "YES I will" :)

What are the other things which were not what you thought were form the videos?
Thanks

As I mentioned, there was line and my test didn't last long. There was no haptic feedback and sound effects (turned off perhaps?) during my test. Pressing fullscreen button while webpage is loading made only top bar disappear and the bottom stayed visible. I forgot to test double-tapping to see whether it zooms at the right place, but nipple twirl worked better than I expected, no lags. Form side everything feels solid except for the stand, it feels cheap and fragile or maybe it's just me.

Ludio

2009-09-04, 18:34

Slashgear has a new vid showing it use there vid stream app besides another youtube page load. So hope for someone opening hulu to see how that plays http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-browser-demo-first-impressions-video-0455122/

pelago

2009-09-04, 19:17

Pressing fullscreen button while webpage is loading made only top bar disappear and the bottom stayed visible.
I guess that's because that's where the progress bar appears, but it might have been nice to hide everything except a tiny progress bar at the bottom if the fullscreen button is pressed while loading.

Capt'n Corrupt

2009-09-04, 20:10

Well said, Pelago.

};^)~

jandmdickerson

2009-09-05, 02:55

This is the first video I have seen were the device had the n900 label on the front. I don't know if that means that this is a production model versus a prototype, but here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iel_EZPn1J4

Let me know if they say anything interesting in the video...:)

zehjotkah

2009-09-05, 12:59

new hands-on. but nothing new right here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3laDdS1zKQ

edit: except that:
That's the first video that I've seen someone close apps from the dashboard, which looked easier than I thought it would be (I thought the top-right X button looked too small).

pelago

2009-09-05, 13:25

pelago

2009-09-05, 13:30

new hands-on. but nothing new right here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3laDdS1zKQ
That's the first video that I've seen someone close apps from the dashboard, which looked easier than I thought it would be (I thought the top-right X button looked too small).

kanishou

2009-09-05, 13:54

That's the first video that I've seen someone close apps from the dashboard, which looked easier than I thought it would be (I thought the top-right X button looked too small).

Yes, the action area is larger than the visual. It's still not something that is essential in any way (usually you would close windows with the big X in their main view), but in the cases where it becomes handy, it's easy enough to use.

zehjotkah

2009-09-11, 19:42

new video demonstrating video-out with bounce evolution...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBzUNe5ov_o

edit: did anyone understand her name?? ;-)

R-R

2009-09-11, 20:32

new video demonstrating video-out with bounce evolution...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBzUNe5ov_o

edit: did anyone understand her name?? ;-)

2$ to who ever manages to write the name down ;-)
The game looked promising, though it was pretty slow, they'll need to tune the thing a lot before release!

DeeGee

2009-09-11, 20:33

That sounds like Tiina Mikkonen, quite usual finnish name. I hope that lagginess/swapping is only a proto problem. The game seemed to pause quite a bit at times. (Oh and hi, I've been lurking around for a while after hearing about N900)

zehjotkah

2009-09-11, 20:47

i've never seen such a laggyness on another device, so it must be a problem with THIS device only. Maybe she have many many programs open.