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the nokia N900 is coming to nokiausa site soon, a rep on the site says to check back next week, also as of yet there are no prices, link .. http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n900
REMEMBER this is NOT a NAM 3G version guys, but will work on T-mo 3G
switchfiend
2009-09-03, 20:30
Cool. I assumed it would show up about a week after Nokia World (they will get a lot more buzz launching it first in Europe).
I would argue that it is in fact very much a NAM 3G version, just not ATT's 3G (which as a T-Mobile customer, I am thankful for).
If I was going to use ATT as a provider (I don't have any ATT signal where I live), I'd have bought an iPhone by now.
mmurfin87
2009-09-03, 21:22
Its up for preorder for $649 and includes a free bluetooth headset. If it follows suit with the N97 and drops about $70 in the next 2 months to $580 or possibly (please) $550, I will probably get it. Although if its at $550 on nokiausa, its probably going to be $500 flat on amazon.com and I'll definitely snag it.
Although if Tmobile has it for $200 or less, I'm switching from ATT.
aikon800
2009-09-03, 22:06
@ mmurfin87
where do you see the price of $649 on the nokia web site ?
aikon800
2009-09-03, 22:11
Never mind I found it.
http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products
By the way is it normal in the US for certain 3G frequencies to only work with certain network operators' SIM cards? Seems like another way to reduce competition if so...
GeneralAntilles
2009-09-03, 22:59
By the way is it normal in the US for certain 3G frequencies to only work with certain network operators' SIM cards? Seems like another way to reduce competition if so...
Erm, it doesn't have anything to do with SIM cards. . . . Certain networks just use certain frequencies.
the nokia N900 is coming to nokiausa site soon, a rep on the site says to check back next week, also as of yet there are no prices, link .. http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n900
REMEMBER this is NOT a NAM 3G version guys, but will work on T-mo 3G
emmmm! ok guys i live in uk and i want to order it from for example from nokiausa..soo the 3g won't work for me here on vodafone !? mybe i'm newbie but need to know what's the difference between t-mobile 3g version and the nam 3g one plzzz !
thank u guys for the great support over here!
Erm, it doesn't have anything to do with SIM cards. . . . Certain networks just use certain frequencies.
Let me put it this way: if some frequencies only work with some network operators, that is effectively another form of phone locking. If you want to switch to a rival network operator but they don't use your phone's 3G frequency, then you cannot use the rival's 3G network.
In Europe the 3G frequencies are standard across most network operators so you can switch network operators without having to change your 3G phone. That means any SIM card will work in the phone because the phone's frequencies work with any network operator.
emmmm! ok guys i live in uk and i want to order it from for example from nokiausa..soo the 3g won't work for me here on vodafone !? mybe i'm newbie but need to know what's the difference between t-mobile 3g version and the nam 3g one plzzz !
thank u guys for the great support over here!
If you're in the UK you shouldn't buy any 3G phones from North or South America. They use different 3G frequencies so their phones won't necessarily work on 3G in the UK or the rest of Europe.
digittante
2009-09-03, 23:40
FIRST! I just bought the Nokia N900 from the US online store (http://www.digittante.com/wp/2009/09/03/first-i-bought-a-nokia-n900/). $650 including the BH-703 headset and free shipping.
If you're in the UK you shouldn't buy any 3G phones from North or South America. They use different 3G frequencies so their phones won't necessarily work on 3G in the UK or the rest of Europe.
ok then. is there any 3G frequencies countries guide i can lean on and see weither the nokiausa n900 phone specifications will work in which country and won't in some to confirm it??
coz i remember that i bought my htc touch diamond from amazon us and it worked just super up in here!??
thanx
FIRST! I just bought the Nokia N900 from the US online store (http://www.digittante.com/wp/2009/09/03/first-i-bought-a-nokia-n900/). $650 including the BH-703 headset and free shipping.
howd you get free shipping?
edit.. nevermind.
klinglerware
2009-09-04, 00:35
Its up for preorder for $649 and includes a free bluetooth headset. If it follows suit with the N97 and drops about $70 in the next 2 months to $580 or possibly (please) $550, I will probably get it. Although if its at $550 on nokiausa, its probably going to be $500 flat on amazon.com and I'll definitely snag it.
Although if Tmobile has it for $200 or less, I'm switching from ATT.
Thanks for the info. I took the plunge as well...
I'm so torn. Do I jump now or wait to see if Tmobile decides to subsidize or if Nokia offers a discount like they did with the N97. Decisions......
the nokia N900 is coming to nokiausa site soon, a rep on the site says to check back next week, also as of yet there are no prices, link .. http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n900
The survey thing on that website is crap. A message popped up with two options, (1) take a survey when you are done at this site, or (2) no thanks. There was no option for take it now, so I chose the take it when I am done option, which brought up a little pop-up, but that caused my Firefox browser to go heywire, and it wouldn't behave until I closed the pop-up. So I can't fill out the survey now. I hope the folks at Nokia know they are skewing their survey results by eliminating Firefox users from participating.
quipper8
2009-09-04, 01:01
FIRST! I just bought the Nokia N900 from the US online store (http://www.digittante.com/wp/2009/09/03/first-i-bought-a-nokia-n900/). $650 including the BH-703 headset and free shipping.
Did you have to pay sales tax of like 50usd?
digittante
2009-09-04, 01:18
Did you have to pay sales tax of like 50usd?
Estimated at $75, yes. Seems real high, but fine-print says it might change at time of shipping. We'll see.
klinglerware
2009-09-04, 01:32
Estimated at around $40 with mine. I wonder why the difference?
ok then. is there any 3G frequencies countries guide i can lean on and see weither the nokiausa n900 phone specifications will work in which country and won't in some to confirm it??
coz i remember that i bought my htc touch diamond from amazon us and it worked just super up in here!??
Short answer: Don't buy 3G phones from the Americas if you live in Europe. Get them from somewhere in Europe. Same advice to anyone in the Americas thinking of buying a 3G phone in Europe.
If you do buy a 3G phone from the Americas and use it in Europe, there's a good chance it won't connect to your local 3G networks. It's a bit of a lottery.
Long answer: 3G phones also have 2G compatibility, so that they can stay connected even when there's no 3G network nearby.
The 2G part of a 3G phone will probably work worldwide because there are normally three, four or five different 2G frequencies built into the phone. That means that most 3G phones will get some kind of signal worldwide, if you include 2G signals. The 2G might be what worked on the HTC you bought.
Some 3G frequencies are similar in Europe and the Americas, but not all, so if you buy an Americas 3G phone and travel through Europe you might find some places where it picks up a 3G signal and other places where it doesn't . It's a lottery.
The only way to avoid this lottery is to buy a phone with the correct frequencies for your part of the world, because the correct frequencies are guaranteed to work across the continent you live in.
texaslabrat
2009-09-04, 02:33
Estimated at around $40 with mine. I wonder why the difference?
It uses your shipping zip code to estimate the sales tax. Since they are obviously using a lookup table to make the estimates from, I would imagine it's going to be pretty accurate for most folks unless it turns out to be "zero" for some reason due to lack of business presence in some state or other loophole.
texaslabrat
2009-09-04, 02:34
Oh, and btw....count me in the "N900 pre-ordered club" ;)
Laughing Man
2009-09-04, 02:35
It uses your shipping zip code to estimate the sales tax. Since they are obviously using a lookup table to make the estimates from, I would imagine it's going to be pretty accurate for most folks unless it turns out to be "zero" for some reason due to lack of business presence in some state or other loophole.
I think most states don't do sales tax for online retailers. Though some states have been pushing for it...
texaslabrat
2009-09-04, 02:40
I think most states don't do sales tax for online retailers. Though some states have been pushing for it...
If the online retailer has a business presence in a given state where an item is being purchased/shipped, they very much do (eg amazon, dell, etc). It's inter-state commerce that becomes fuzzy.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=468512
MountainX
2009-09-04, 03:02
The survey thing on that website is crap. A message popped up with two options, (1) take a survey when you are done at this site, or (2) no thanks. There was no option for take it now, so I chose the take it when I am done option, which brought up a little pop-up, but that caused my Firefox browser to go heywire, and it wouldn't behave until I closed the pop-up. So I can't fill out the survey now. I hope the folks at Nokia know they are skewing their survey results by eliminating Firefox users from participating.
I use Firefox (Swiftweasel) and the survey worked fine for me. Only problem was the progress indicator on the survey. When I was 100% finished, it showed on 50% complete. Along the way, it made me think about abandoning several times because it seemed like the survey would take forever at that rate of progress.
Short answer: Don't buy 3G phones from the Americas if you live in Europe. Get them from somewhere in Europe. Same advice to anyone in the Americas thinking of buying a 3G phone in Europe.
If you do buy a 3G phone from the Americas and use it in Europe, there's a good chance it won't connect to your local 3G networks. It's a bit of a lottery.
Long answer: 3G phones also have 2G compatibility, so that they can stay connected even when there's no 3G network nearby.
The 2G part of a 3G phone will probably work worldwide because there are normally three, four or five different 2G frequencies built into the phone. That means that most 3G phones will get some kind of signal worldwide, if you include 2G signals. The 2G might be what worked on the HTC you bought.
Some 3G frequencies are similar in Europe and the Americas, but not all, so if you buy an Americas 3G phone and travel through Europe you might find some places where it picks up a 3G signal and other places where it doesn't . It's a lottery.
The only way to avoid this lottery is to buy a phone with the correct frequencies for your part of the world, because the correct frequencies are guaranteed to work across the continent you live in.
man! you are absolutely right so check this out as a conformation for you opinion :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
thanx alot man sooo i'll pay more here for something fully work not to save and be busted!
Laughing Man
2009-09-04, 04:06
If the online retailer has a business presence in a given state where an item is being purchased/shipped, they very much do (eg amazon, dell, etc). It's inter-state commerce that becomes fuzzy.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=468512
So how is business presence defined for TMobile then? I'm guessing since TMobile stores exist in every state they have to collect sales tax then? Or is the online store considered a seperate retailer?
Paxicide
2009-09-04, 04:40
okay I pre-ordered mine. The also offered me second year of warranty for $20 instead of the normal $80. Th bluetooth headset they included for free cost $90 if you ordered it separatley. I went for the free shnipping. Now I can sit and wait....:cool:
jandmdickerson
2009-09-04, 04:45
Pre-orderd mine. If TMobile subsizes it, without putting a big pink T on the bak then, I will get a second for the wife.;)
texaslabrat
2009-09-04, 04:53
So how is business presence defined for TMobile then? I'm guessing since TMobile stores exist in every state they have to collect sales tax then? Or is the online store considered a seperate retailer?
They would have to collect sales tax (in those states that have a sales tax) unless the online retailer was a wholly independent entity (which it isn't..so the point is moot). If you go through the motions of putting together an order @ tmo's site, you'll see for yourself.
With the current recession and the strained coffers at the state and local levels that it has brought, you can bet that the gov't bean counters will be watching such high-profile retailers like tmo and friends like a hawk when it comes to collecting the taxes due ;)
MountainX
2009-09-04, 05:03
What is the advantage of ordering the unlocked N900 in the USA? I would prefer if we didn't have the locked/subsidized model here, but since we do, what are the reasons in favor of purchasing the unlocked version from the Nokia store?
I have been on T-Mobile for about 12 years and I like T-Mobile. So it seems I should just go for a new 2 year contract and the subsidized price, right?
jandmdickerson
2009-09-04, 05:18
What is the advantage of ordering the unlocked N900 in the USA? I would prefer if we didn't have the locked/subsidized model here, but since we do, what are the reasons in favor of purchasing the unlocked version from the Nokia store?
I have been on T-Mobile for about 12 years and I like T-Mobile. So it seems I should just go for a new 2 year contract and the subsidized price, right?
Sound like that's best for you. I don't want 2 year contract. I doubt they will lock it down or remove skype.
mobiledivide
2009-09-04, 05:25
For this device however the only SKU that has been verified has been 900/1700/2100 HSDPA which means that the main European band of 2100 is available on the device radio. The HSPA in Europe uses the 900 in some places and 2100 in most. Here in the US, T-Mobile operates their network on 1700/2100 so this device should work no problems.
For Europeans however you won't be covered by a warranty if you buy from the US and to US buyers vice versa.
Short answer: Don't buy 3G phones from the Americas if you live in Europe. Get them from somewhere in Europe. Same advice to anyone in the Americas thinking of buying a 3G phone in Europe.
If you do buy a 3G phone from the Americas and use it in Europe, there's a good chance it won't connect to your local 3G networks. It's a bit of a lottery.
Long answer: 3G phones also have 2G compatibility, so that they can stay connected even when there's no 3G network nearby.
The 2G part of a 3G phone will probably work worldwide because there are normally three, four or five different 2G frequencies built into the phone. That means that most 3G phones will get some kind of signal worldwide, if you include 2G signals. The 2G might be what worked on the HTC you bought.
Some 3G frequencies are similar in Europe and the Americas, but not all, so if you buy an Americas 3G phone and travel through Europe you might find some places where it picks up a 3G signal and other places where it doesn't . It's a lottery.
The only way to avoid this lottery is to buy a phone with the correct frequencies for your part of the world, because the correct frequencies are guaranteed to work across the continent you live in.
If you don't want a two year commitment with T-mobile you can pay a extra $50.00 and have a one year contract with them and you can upgrade in 11 months.
klinglerware
2009-09-04, 17:40
What is the advantage of ordering the unlocked N900 in the USA? I would prefer if we didn't have the locked/subsidized model here, but since we do, what are the reasons in favor of purchasing the unlocked version from the Nokia store?
I have been on T-Mobile for about 12 years and I like T-Mobile. So it seems I should just go for a new 2 year contract and the subsidized price, right?
The main advantage to getting it unlocked is that you maximize your chances that you will receive a phone with its full feature set intact. Looking at how T-mobile USA handles its subsidized Android phones, T-mobile has a say in whether a Google firmware update gets pushed to T-mo branded phones, and what is included in those updates. They have put pressure on Google to remove tethering apps from the North American Google Android app store. T-mobile tends to lock down other things on their subsidized phones such as bluetooth tethering and the ability to download non-Tmo approved apps. I'm not sure if T-mobile will take kindly to free VOIP.
Looking at the chatter on other T-mo sites, it sounds like the release of the subsidized n900 will be delayed until Q1 2010, in part to get it compatible with "Hotspot at Home". If true, that tells me that there will be some firmware customization being done for T-mobile, which is exactly what I am hoping to avoid altogether. Hopefully, for those waiting for the subsidized device, they won't do any additional hardware customization, like removing the front-facing camera, lowering memory, etc.
With all that being said, I don't want to sound too alarmist: as others mentioned, it will probably be very difficult to lock down a phone running on an essentially open platform. And obviously, the hacker community is quite strong here: any workarounds to most feature-locking will likely be circumvented in short order. So, really, it could be just a case of if you want it now, then you'll pay more. If you can wait six months or so, you'll pay (possibly significantly) less (though if you buy subsidized, you may have to hack your device a little to get it to perform as intended.) As has been mentioned in other threads, the other advantage of waiting is that you'll probably get a more stable device with a higher build quality, as Nokia irons out the kinks by using the early-adopters as de facto beta testers.
thats why i feel like im going to cough up the money and buy it not because of tmobile might do with it but the anxiousness of getting it will drive me up the wall. I've bought the n95 8g which cost a grip to at the time i bought it so this won't burn my pockets.
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