View Full Version : N900 Manual on NokiaUSA website
bugelrex
2009-10-01, 14:59
Not sure if this was just posted or was there for a while:
http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/nam/phones/guides/Nokia_N900_Rover_en-US_es-LAM.pdf
Will take a look at it. Thanks
les_garten
2009-10-01, 15:06
I have been looking for that, THANX!
bobthebuilder
2009-10-01, 15:10
This device uses Maemo 5 software on Linux.
This sentence gave me shivers. I know its nothing new, since the 770, n800, n810, Google Android etc all run on linux, but to see it in writing in a manual, on a device as open as the n900 by a major company like Nokia bodes well for the future of Linux and Open Source Software.
(Should the word "Based" be put before the on though? The sentence structure seems odd)
GeneralAntilles
2009-10-01, 15:15
(Should the word "Based" be put before the on though? The sentence structure seems odd)
One could make an argument for both, I suppose, but, yes, it does stink of marketing speak.
sjgadsby
2009-10-01, 15:20
This device uses Maemo 5 software on Linux.
(Should the word "Based" be put before the on though? The sentence structure seems odd)
Pedantically, Linux is the kernel, and Maemo 5 is a particular collection of software than runs on that kernel. So, the sentence works.
However, given the more common usage of "Linux", yes, the sentence feels a little peculiar.
EDIT: Beaten by the General!
Raubtier
2009-10-01, 15:26
no handwriting recognition and no voice dialing...that is a big dissapointment!
anyone know whether on can change the size of the pictures of your contacts on the homescreens, they seem awfully big..
Not sure if this was just posted or was there for a while:
http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/nam/phones/guides/Nokia_N900_Rover_en-US_es-LAM.pdf
This feels a little bit like christmas. Now I found the packet under Mom's and Dad's bed, I can look at the shape and feel it, but I still have to wait until I get it. :)
Romeo0119
2009-10-01, 15:34
Maybe this will mean that the phone is coming sooner than later
One could make an argument for both, I suppose, but, yes, it does stink of marketing speak.
And I'm not sure about calling the stand a "kickstand" is a good idea either; I can see the support calls now ... ;)
Thanks for the link BTW!
sachin007
2009-10-01, 15:40
From the manual
"Nokia headset with music controls can also be used but the device does not support music controls"
:(
Funny typo on page 71: The supported video file formats are: MP3, AAC, WMA, M4A,
AMR, AWB, and WAV. :)
One strange thing: looks like there is no "simple geotagging" mode where only GPS coordinates are written to image. You have to have Internet connection to retrieve "human readable" data. Don't like it on at least two levels...
Installation files (.deb or .install) of applications you have installed. Transfer the installation files to a compatible computer
Well this is weird...
les_garten
2009-10-01, 15:59
no handwriting recognition and no voice dialing...that is a big dissapointment!
anyone know whether on can change the size of the pictures of your contacts on the homescreens, they seem awfully big..
Voice dial no biggie for me, but they missed a big deal with the lack of handwriting recognition IMHO.
This device uses Maemo 5 software on Linux.
This sentence gave me shivers. I know its nothing new, since the 770, n800, n810, Google Android etc all run on linux, but to see it in writing in a manual, on a device as open as the n900 by a major company like Nokia bodes well for the future of Linux and Open Source Software.
see mi
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/series_can.do;HHOJSID=JCsQKGTRYMh6qkt5YmlWNXXq3p4C JJXvlGrnBw7ChGBgrwyvlw0q!2107447680?storeName=comp uter_store&landing=notebooks&a1=Category&v1=Mini&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/notebooks/Mini
benny1967
2009-10-01, 16:24
One strange thing: looks like there is no "simple geotagging" mode where only GPS coordinates are written to image. You have to have Internet connection to retrieve "human readable" data. Don't like it on at least two levels...
What's that supposed to be? "Human readable" data is not geotagging.
It would make sense to fetch human readable data when you view a file (because then you'd have the information on all geotagged images, no matter who tagged them on what device), but... oh well.
One strange thing: looks like there is no "simple geotagging" mode where only GPS coordinates are written to image. You have to have Internet connection to retrieve "human readable" data. Don't like it on at least two levels...
That raised my eyebrows too. I spend considerable time in locations with no WiFi and no cellular access, but I still need to photograph stuff and tag it with GPS coordinates (think geocaching, frex).
I'm guessing some hackery can fix this, but still....it seems like an obvious oversight.
bobthebuilder
2009-10-01, 16:29
I noticed it is coming with same games. so the chess will still be impossible to beat.
(or maybe I just stink at chess)
That raised my eyebrows too. I spend considerable time in locations with no WiFi and no cellular access, but I still need to photograph stuff and tag it with GPS coordinates (think geocaching, frex).
I'm guessing some hackery can fix this, but still....it seems like an obvious oversight.
You do not need wifi or cellular access to geotag photos. And I'm not talking about text labels, but GPS coordinates. If the GPS is active and has a lock, it will geotag the image. If your GPS does not have a lock, it will guess about where you are using the cellular network if it's available.
Please everyone... stop making up problems and issues. :)
Please everyone... stop making up problems and issues. :)
Hold yer horses bub....we're quoting from the damn manual here!
P.62
"You need an internet connection to be able to add geotag
information to your files."
allnameswereout
2009-10-01, 16:51
Funny typo on page 71: The supported video file formats are: MP3, AAC, WMA, M4A,
AMR, AWB, and WAV. :)Hmm, I thought XViD too... :confused:
Somehow feels like we are manual proofreaders helping Nokia... :D
Somehow feels like we are manual proofreaders helping Nokia... :D
Spanish version didn't have this error. :)
Soulfarmer
2009-10-01, 17:08
Thanks for the link!
I noticed Speed Dial in specs but the manual said nothing about speeddialing. With myE90 I loved the portrait HW keyboard to have one press speeddial. Just one long press on 2-9 numberkeys and it dialed preset number. I wished so hard something like this was implemented where long press on contact image would do the same trick. I didn't see speed dial anywhere in the manual, I hope it is just missing from the manual but not from the device.
You do not need wifi or cellular access to geotag photos. And I'm not talking about text labels, but GPS coordinates. If the GPS is active and has a lock, it will geotag the image. If your GPS does not have a lock, it will guess about where you are using the cellular network if it's available.
Please everyone... stop making up problems and issues. :)
If this is the case they should write it clearly and allow for turning off second stage of geotagging. Second stage is evil: extra connections draw from battery, and it uploads my data to some undisclosed servers.
Second stage is evil
Evil perhaps, but it's seriously cool being able to take a photo and have it automatically tagged "Eiffel Tower". Even if the photo is actually of a pine cone or sunset or something :)
Alex Atkin UK
2009-10-01, 18:40
Hmmm, Infrared port is NOT IrDA compatible? Is that good or bad.
I suspect it may be good, as every one I found that is IrDA has an operating range of a few inches. This implies (to me) that its designed to operate as a remote control rather than data transfer (as we have Bluetooth/WiFi for that) which would be a good thing.
Hold yer horses bub....we're quoting from the damn manual here.
That's fine. The manual's just wrong then. :)
and it uploads my data to some undisclosed servers.
Remember what I said about not making up stuff? What second stage are you talking about? If you're refering to what I said about the phone guessing where you are, it's not uploading anything but using cell phone towers to figure out where you are. No connections, no uploading. Same stuff most phones today can do.
Hmm, I thought XViD too... :confused:
AVI is just a container. It can have, for example, DIVX or XVID video inside it.
See, http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/
Video playback file formats: .mp4, .avi, .wmv, .3gp; codecs: H.264, MPEG-4, Xvid, WMV, H.263
To ensure proper functionality of the touch screen, remove the protective film from the device display.
Do not cover the area left of the touch screen with, for example, protecive film or tape.
How the fsck are we supposed to protect it then?
allnameswereout
2009-10-01, 19:16
Some other quotes:
When using this device, obey all laws and respect local
customs, privacy and legitimate rights of others, including
copyrights. Copyright protection may prevent some images,
music, and other content from being copied, modified, or
transferred.Implies DRM?
Your service provider may have requested that certain
features be disabled or not activated in your device. If so,
these features will not appear on your device menu. Your
device may also have customized items such as menu names,
menu order, and icons.Implies sponsored contract with custom firmware?
Remember what I said about not making up stuff? What second stage are you talking about? If you're refering to what I said about the phone guessing where you are, it's not uploading anything but using cell phone towers to figure out where you are. No connections, no uploading. Same stuff most phones today can do.GSM triangulation, indeed.
Maybe he refers to Skyhook Wireless API. If that database is online instead of offline. But I'm not sure such is used.
AVI is just a container. It can have, for example, DIVX or XVID video inside it.
See, http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/Yes, I know, and I know the difference between the manual and your linked page; its the reason I posted that statement.
GeneralAntilles
2009-10-01, 19:20
Implies DRM?
Implies sponsored contract with custom firmware?
I think these are just boilerplate legalese that have little or no relation to the actual device or its software.
Don't take that stuff as implying anything. It's standard Nokia boilerplate stuff.
That's fine. The manual's just wrong then. :)
Are you an authority on this?
I'm not being snarky....really....I just want to know if the manual is simply mis-worded.
Are you an authority on this?
I'm not being snarky....really....I just want to know if the manual is simply mis-worded.
Manuals are often written way ahead of the actual product. That's why almost every product on the market has errata on their website afterwards. The manual was probably written in Finland by non-native speakers so there's plenty of Finnglish and weird syntax and stuff like that on top of it, so it's very possible that it was misworded.
"What second stage are you talking about?"
OK, it may not be formally called "second stage", but logically there must be a multi-step process here:
1) Acquire GPS location
2) Attempt to refine (1) with GPRS 'triangulation' algorithm
3) Send location to server to obtain textual geotag labels.
Why this can't be done with a WLAN connection is odd. OK, so you don't have the (2) GPRS-refined location, but you could still be in the right ballpark.
bobthebuilder
2009-10-01, 19:31
why would the gps need to be refined by the gprs? the gps should be more exact right?
The manual has lots of typos. A bit disappointing.
I hope it isn't the final version.
"What second stage are you talking about?"
OK, it may not be formally called "second stage", but logically there must be a multi-step process here:
1) Acquire GPS location
2) Attempt to refine (1) with GPRS 'triangulation' algorithm
3) Send location to server to obtain textual geotag labels.
Why this can't be done with a WLAN connection is odd. OK, so you don't have the (2) GPRS-refined location, but you could still be in the right ballpark.
GPRS triangulation or whatever they do is FAR less accurate than GPS. I haven't seen anything about 3 yet.
This device uses Maemo 5 software on Linux.
This sentence gave me shivers. I know its nothing new, since the 770, n800, n810, Google Android etc all run on linux, but to see it in writing in a manual, on a device as open as the n900 by a major company like Nokia bodes well for the future of Linux and Open Source Software.
see mi
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/series_can.do;HHOJSID=JCsQKGTRYMh6qkt5YmlWNXXq3p4C JJXvlGrnBw7ChGBgrwyvlw0q!2107447680?storeName=comp uter_store&landing=notebooks&a1=Category&v1=Mini&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/notebooks/Mini (http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/series_can.do;HHOJSID=JCsQKGTRYMh6qkt5YmlWNXXq3p4C JJXvlGrnBw7ChGBgrwyvlw0q%212107447680?storeName=co mputer_store&landing=notebooks&a1=Category&v1=Mini&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/notebooks/Mini)
What? That's not a phone running Linux.
GPRS triangulation or whatever they do is FAR less accurate than GPS. I haven't seen anything about 3 yet.
I didn't speak about 'accuracy', I spoke about 'refining' the location, which is what I have read is being done....whatever 'refining' is (triangulation etc)....the ultimate purpose of such 'refining' is to provide accurate geotagging information.
Bear in mind that, mathematically, a GPRS triangulation can be used to further reduce the error in GPS locations - especially if only only 1 or two satellites are locked. I have no idea how accurate the N900 GPS hardware is on its own.
GeneralAntilles
2009-10-01, 20:04
The manual has lots of typos. A bit disappointing.
I hope it isn't the final version.
I've started filing bugs in Bugzilla. Feel free to assist.
klinglerware
2009-10-01, 20:12
How the fsck are we supposed to protect it then?
I noticed that too.
On my N800 with a screen protector, I notice that the screen is still pretty responsive when using a stylus. However, finger swiping for things like kinetic scrolling feels a little awkward.
I wonder if it is the case that we are not going to get the true feel of the UI if we slap a protector on the screen. I would love to protect the screen from scratches with a protector (and I still intend on using the stylus a lot), but I am debating if this is the right thing to do since the UI involves a lot of finger swiping.
solideogloria
2009-10-01, 20:28
You can install XPI based add-ons for the browser
Now THAT are great news! Adblock+ and DownThemAll FTW!
FirFirst stage is acquiring and supposedly writing of GPS data in
XMP metadata of image. Second stage is translating it to human
readable form like 'Warsaw, Poland' to write in IPTC/XMP tags.
Second stage can be realised in two ways.
a) don't use GPS but GSM; frankly I don't know how cell towers
are presenting themselves but after quick google looks like most popular mehod is to upload cellid to server to get location; on device database would quickly become obsolete and useless
b) second way is to use GPS data and database which connect numbers with physical locations; to get reasonable precision for whole world such base should be very big, too big to keep on device
As you see, to make 'translation' working n900 has to upload data about my current location to some server.
legendemeritus
2009-10-01, 21:04
i've read the manual three times now, LOL
It's funny how interested I am to read this manual, whereas I hardly glanced at the one that came with my N810! (Of course, I had the real device in my hands then...)
legendemeritus
2009-10-01, 21:09
it's like reading the sales ads during the holidays!
On page 16, when talking about the X button (I think on the dashboard showing the thumbnails of running apps, but it isn't clear), it says:
Select X. All unsaved changes and selections are cancelled.
Does that mean that if you close, say, a text editor with unsaved changes, it won't prompt you to save?
legendemeritus
2009-10-01, 21:14
On page 16, when talking about the X button (I think on the dashboard showing the thumbnails of running apps, but it isn't clear), it says:
Does that mean that if you close, say, a text editor with unsaved changes, it won't prompt you to save?
i guess so, hmm
1) Acquire GPS location
2) Attempt to refine (1) with GPRS 'triangulation' algorithm
3) Send location to server to obtain textual geotag labels.
You should switch steps 1 and 2. Assisted GPS uses cell tower triangulaton because it's faster than GPS satellite lock in. So, triangluation for fast approximation of location followed by more precise location once the satellite info kicks in.
From the manual:
Important: To prevent damage to the SIM card, always
remove the battery before you insert or remove the card
:O
On page 16, when talking about the X button (I think on the dashboard showing the thumbnails of running apps, but it isn't clear), it says:
Does that mean that if you close, say, a text editor with unsaved changes, it won't prompt you to save?
The Sketch application automatically saves when you close it.
Same for Notes.
Xournal actually saves in an autosave file and only when you actually press Save it will save it with the file name chosen by you.
Wondering if I should stick with that behaviour...
GeneralAntilles
2009-10-01, 22:01
From the manual:
Hehe, well, since the SIM is under the battery the only other option would be cutting through it. :D
The Sketch application automatically saves when you close it.
Same for Notes.I haven't read the Maemo 5 HIG, but I wonder if there's advice about saving. I quite liked the behaviour of my previous Palm OS handhelds, which didn't have an explicit save behaviour. Everything was saved as soon as you changed it, although of course you could undo.
With Maemo software, it is possible to develop your own applications for your device
I never thought I'd read that in a USER manual!!!!
I'm a developer and for the first time I'm the user... I LOVE IT.
Anidel
Hehe, well, since the SIM is under the battery the only other option would be cutting through it. :D
Exactly :) what's the point of making an "important" note ? :)
oh well...
For those of you who don't read manuals, this is from page 6:
Your device is not water-resistant. Keep it dry.
This has been a public service announcement.
It's been a while since the last time I read manuals.
Ahahaha I assume none of us has ever read a user manual before :)
We are shocked of too many statements :D
jandmdickerson
2009-10-01, 22:45
The Sketch application automatically saves when you close it.
Same for Notes.
Xournal actually saves in an autosave file and only when you actually press Save it will save it with the file name chosen by you.
Wondering if I should stick with that behaviour...
No, I think it should either: ( 1) not auto save on close or (2) alteast ask before saving. Affirmative action requires affirmation by the user....
I found another big error:
Your device and its accessories are not toys.
so for the old tablet owner, do you guys use screen protector?
i mean the (p)review said that the screen is easily scratched and now the manual said don't cover it.. lol...
sachin007
2009-10-01, 23:08
I found another big error:
But i thought it had the vibration profile ;)
allnameswereout
2009-10-01, 23:10
Exactly :) what's the point of making an "important" note ? :)
oh well...To confuse us :D or its about the uber secret easter egg ;)
@ Qole hahahaha
sachin007
2009-10-01, 23:12
so for the old tablet owner, do you guys use screen protector?
i mean the (p)review said that the screen is easily scratched and now the manual said don't cover it.. lol...
When i had my n800 i peeled of the factory installed screen protector. The sensitivity did increase a lot comparatively but the screen was very very easily prone to scratches.
Comparatively on my n810 i still have the OEM screen protector. So the sensitivity suffers but since i am going to sell it off soon.... i think it is worth it.
SO basically it is a toss up between screen responsiveness and wanting a scratch free device.
Even if you want a scratch free device you have to change the screen protectors regularly because the scratches on the screen protector are ungainly.... especially in broad daylight.
sjgadsby
2009-10-01, 23:24
I assume none of us has ever read a user manual before
Read them? Ha! I write them!
allnameswereout
2009-10-02, 01:46
Read them? Ha! I write them!In write-only mode or r/w mode?
gviterbo
2009-10-02, 02:16
I'm now drooling more over my unshipped pre-ordered N900!
so for the old tablet owner, do you guys use screen protector?
i mean the (p)review said that the screen is easily scratched and now the manual said don't cover it.. lol...
The manual says don't cover the left hand side of the tablet with the proximity sensor and camera, not the screen.
timsamoff
2009-10-02, 02:31
...no voice dialing...
I don't know about you guys, but my cell service provides voice-dialling. I just hit *8 and say who I want to call.
Anyway, even the iPhone didn't do this without 3rd party apps until the 3GS (http://www.apple.com/iphone/how-to/index.html#phone.voice-dialing). So, get your developers revving! ;)
Tim
Why is Nvidia mentioned in page 103?
The manual says don't cover the left hand side of the tablet with the proximity sensor and camera, not the screen.
... and earphone...
lol 8 pages of people reading between the lines making there own version of the instructions up, i love it.
I've read many manuals of unreleased nokia products and one thing I've learned is the manual instructions have no resemblance to actual real usage theres usually many things missing and they not very user friendly
Generally, manuals are always fun to read, esp. when comparing them with the actual device. :)
They hardly help you using a device.
Some people on other forum have some concerns with the positioning of the gsm/3g antenna. In it's position it's just placed inside your hand when using the phone function. The antenna might be inside your right hand when using the phone in landscape mode too. That of course can/will mean worse reception and increased battery usage.
vkv.raju
2009-10-02, 08:02
Some people on other forum have some concerns with the positioning of the gsm/3g antenna. In it's position it's just placed inside your hand when using the phone function. The antenna might be inside your right hand when using the phone in landscape mode too. That of course can/will mean worse reception and increased battery usage.
What??
If a signal can finely pass through multiple hard and solidly built roofs and stuff, why the hell would it be a problem passing through human body??
Yes, the tower signal can come quite long distances, but they use "bit" more power. The phones tranceiver can only use so much power and a human hand containing lot of water just around the antenna isn't going to help.
People on that forum complained that N97 (which has the antenna in similar position) has bad reception. I don't know if the problem is happening just for them, I haven't at least heard anything like that before.
This device uses Maemo 5 software on Linux.
Shouldn't that be "GNU/Linux"? :) (Hmm, no smiley with beard)
allnameswereout
2009-10-02, 08:40
Shouldn't that be "GNU/Linux"? :) (Hmm, no smiley with beard)
http://www.clker.com/cliparts/0/c/3/4/12161399721347348150lemmling_Cartoon_gnu.svg.hi.pn g/Linux
Page 19: Your device may have internal and external antennas.
WTF is with that "may"?! Mine better have the full complement of internal antennas - GSM, GPS, WLAN, BT, FM - or I'm returning it. :) But what's that external antenna then? FM receiver?
Then page 19 goes on to tell us to avoid touching the antenna areas when they are operating, and on page 20 we get three illustrations of where the antennas are. The third of these (un)helpfully shows a hand blocking the antenna illustrated in the first.
I think we are meant to hold this thing by the kickstand. :)
If a signal can finely pass through multiple hard and solidly built roofs and stuff, why the hell would it be a problem passing through human body??
Because of the water in it. At least this is true for WiFi as 2.4 GHz is the frequency of water.
Soulfarmer
2009-10-02, 08:59
Because of the water in it. At least this is true for WiFi as 2.4 GHz is the frequency of water.
I didn't know water has a frequency. :)
I didn't know water has a frequency. :)
In my experience, falling over on frozen water certainly Hertz.
In my experience, falling over on frozen water certainly Hertz.
badum tish!
hes here all night folks
Loving this thread!
I've actually lightly browsed some phone manuals, and sometimes there are small things that pop up that you didn't know before (like holding the keys for a while for number input on N95), so in my opinion they are not completely useless.
benny1967
2009-10-02, 10:12
Shouldn't that be "GNU/Linux"? :) (Hmm, no smiley with beard)
depends. both is right, depending on what they mean by this: the kernel or the operating system.
because they seem to call the operating system "Maemo" instead of "GNU/Linux", they probably refer to the kernel. in this case, it's correct to say Linux.
benny1967
2009-10-02, 10:14
The Sketch application automatically saves when you close it.
Same for Notes.
does "saving" imply overwriting previous versions of the document? that would be bad. i would never expect an application to ruin my existing work while i'm only experimenting with new ideas.
hope they never save without asking...
Laughingstok
2009-10-02, 13:08
This manual can be used, for example, to read. ;)
Having read through the parts of the manual relating to email it makes no mention of IMAP prefix paths. Can you actually set one or am I stuffed from the get go? :confused:
does "saving" imply overwriting previous versions of the document? that would be bad. i would never expect an application to ruin my existing work while i'm only experimenting with new ideas.
hope they never save without asking...
I very much hope, they always 'save' without asking - and allow (reasonably) unlimited undo, also across restarts. I would never expect an application to forget anything I entered unless I explicitly told it to. ;)
Having read through the parts of the manual relating to email it makes no mention of IMAP prefix paths. Can you actually set one or am I stuffed from the get go? :confused:
The tech spec does mention IMAP support (http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n900/specifications#communications-em), so I wouldn't despair ... yet.
Having read through the parts of the manual relating to email it makes no mention of IMAP prefix paths. Can you actually set one or am I stuffed from the get go?
You can't set it manually, it uses whatever the server advertises in its NAMESPACE response (modulo bugs). What's your IMAP server software and what exactly do you want to do?
hope they never save without asking...
I presume Nokia's apps follow the Maemo Design Guidelines for State Saving and Auto Saving (http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node16.html#SECTION001633400000000000000)
That document states that applications are required to implement auto-saving.
Regards,
Roger
Laughing Man
2009-10-02, 16:54
Probably required if you want to get into the store (is Extras controlled by Nokia?)
Even then you could install applications that don't implement auto-saving from any souce.
But anyway, for applications like sketches it would be good if they did a check.. e.g. if they save as
defaultsketch.jpg, check for defaultsketch.jpg
if it exists then it saves as
defaultsketch2.jpg
sjgadsby
2009-10-02, 17:58
...is Extras controlled by Nokia?
Extras is controlled by the community. People from Nokia do make requests and recommendations as to how the maemo.org repository system should work, but they do so on an equal footing with others.
Read them? Ha! I write them!
Yeah, but do you read it after you've written it ? :p
does "saving" imply overwriting previous versions of the document? that would be bad. i would never expect an application to ruin my existing work while i'm only experimenting with new ideas.
hope they never save without asking...
It does overwrite it.
Xournal doesn't :D :p
Uses a temporary autosave file.
How the fsck are we supposed to protect it then?
I think they are talking about the proximity sensor/light sensor not the actual screen
WilliePre
2009-10-02, 19:27
Thanks, now all that is missing is my N900....
You can't set it manually, it uses whatever the server advertises in its NAMESPACE response (modulo bugs). What's your IMAP server software and what exactly do you want to do?
It should be ok I suppose... ;)
In my experience, falling over on frozen water certainly Hertz.
Thanks, you made my day ;) ;) ;)
illusionado
2009-10-11, 01:08
guys the link is not working.any alternatives?
MountainX
2009-10-11, 01:54
I have a copy of the N900 manual. I was going to upload it here, but it is way too large (about 4.8MB). If enough people want it, I'll put it on my blog. Otherwise, I'll just email it to a few people on request.
vkv.raju
2009-10-11, 02:44
guys the link is not working.any alternatives?
Wow! Then the work already got started in correcting it.
Cool, so it would be back soon.....
Because of the water in it. At least this is true for WiFi as 2.4 GHz is the frequency of water.
Which is another reason they limited the N900's FM transmitter range of frequencies as well, else some would tune theirs to 2.4 Ghz and wind up listening to the ocean in their car. :D
My 770 manuals and N800 education didn't come from a manual, it came from here http://www.internettablettalk.com/ as did many others' over the past few years.
The only N900 manual reading I'll likely ever do is right here in this thread. It only makes sense that manuals aren't 100% accurate because 100% of the buyers don't read them. As Nokia moves toward Harmattan I would imagine they might want to consider sending an NDA to a few veteran community members and let them proofread/check for technical errors in jargon/syntax. Just a thought. Enough of this thread for me though- written errors in something I'll never read...non-issue.
allnameswereout
2009-10-11, 07:28
Which is another reason they limited the N900's FM transmitter range of frequencies as well, else some would tune theirs to 2.4 Ghz and wind up listening to the ocean in their car. :DHmm, or broadcast your music to other cars in traffic queue. :D
gecebekcisi
2009-10-11, 23:38
I have a copy of the N900 manual. I was going to upload it here, but it is way too large (about 4.8MB). If enough people want it, I'll put it on my blog. Otherwise, I'll just email it to a few people on request.
Count me in, I couldn't download the file before the link was dead and couldn't find mirrors.
MountainX
2009-10-11, 23:43
Count me in, I couldn't download the file before the link was dead and couldn't find mirrors.
I just sent you an email through this site.
realitygaps
2009-10-12, 13:20
Any chance of a copy of the manual? Thanks :)
MountainX
2009-10-12, 13:50
Here is the link to the N900 manual:
http://davestechshop.net/sites/davestechshop.net/files/Nokia_N900_Rover_en-US_es-LAM.pdf
Let me know if there are any problems downloading it.
HSuhonen
2009-10-13, 12:54
Hi all,
My name is Harri Suhonen, and I work at Nokia Markets, Care.
First of all, thank you all for the feedback regarding the US English version of the User guide, I will forward the issues raised in this thread to the people concerned in Nokia.
For me personally, it's interesting to see such high interest for the User guide, and I'm glad to see that the maemo.org community cares about the quality of Nokia Support, even though you may not need the User guide yourself :). It really is a sign of passion for the Maemo devices.
Of course, the purpose of having a User guide for any Nokia product is at least three-fold: 1) it's a way to help users to solve problems they may encounter, 2) it serves as a reference guide, and 3) it's a way to enhance feature usage. For the less tech savvy people or those unfamiliar with Maemo, browsing thorugh the user guide may give them information about features they, for some reason or another, were not aware of when buying the device. The Nokia N900 comes with a rich feature set, and in my opinion, and also from the users’ point of view, it’s good that these features are introduced and the usage of the device explained in a single document.
Daveb70, you replied that 100% of the users never read the manual. I acknowledge the fact that for the really tech savvy people, and especially within the developer community, this may be true, but we also need to keep the whole life-cycle of the product in mind, and that support is given to those people who need it. The Nokia N900 will surely be bought by people who have never used a Maemo device before, or never even used a Nokia device before, so in that sense user guides do serve their purpose.
In the end, it may be that some people don't ever read the user guide, but at least it's reassuring for them to know that if there are issues with the device, the user guide is there to help them. Unfortunately, errors may end up in the User guide, for some reason or another, but I just want to assure that these things don't happen because we wouldn’t care for the quality of the guides because “nobody reads the user guides” - on the contrary, accuracy is our top priority in regards to the guides, too.
It is also worth remembering that in many countries, the local legislation and the consumer protection laws require a printed manual in the sales package: it's there so that the device can be sold in your country in the first place, and that you can buy this great device when it hits the stores :)
Thank you.
@HSuhonen
Is this the final version of the user guide? There is no word on line change /second voice line in that guide, therefore I guess that the N900 does not support Alternate Line Service? Thats really sad! Why is that?
@HSuhonen
Is this the final version of the user guide? There is no word on line change /second voice line in that guide, therefore I guess that the N900 does not support Alternate Line Service? Thats really sad! Why is that?
HSuhonen is not responsible of any feature available or missing in the N900. Please concentrate on the discussion about the User Guide itself and the dialog will be more productive. Thanks!
HSuhonen, the manual we were downloading and commenting on here was removed from the Nokia server a few days ago. Could you please give us a link to the new official manual? While it can be hosted by a member of the community (as it has been), it doesn't seem like a good solution.
Thanks for making time to post and for letting us know our comments are actually read. Knowing that, i think many of us are more inclined to give feedback about the manual.
For me personally, it's interesting to see such high interest for the User guide, and I'm glad to see that the maemo.org community cares about the quality of Nokia Support, even though you may not need the User guide yourself :). It really is a sign of passion for the Maemo devices.
Hi Harri... as you've noticed, our passion for this product line runs deep. I know some of the criticisms may sound scathing and maybe bordering on insulting. I assure you it's only because we want this thing to be as close to perfection as it possibly can be... not only for ourselves but for the platform as a whole.
Yes, a lot of us might not ever use the manual... but to overuse an analogy I've used here a few times...
If you're a carpenter that makes wooden dressers, sure, you can just slap a cheap piece of plywood on the back of your masterpiece. After all, no one really ever sees it, right?
We just want to make sure that the same quality that we see from the product itself is carried through everything else about it... yes, even to the instruction manual. I know that this whole situation is probably very different from what other devices see, but let us help you make this a masterpiece all the way through. :)
I checked what the manual said about the battery. And this is quite good: Nokia finally updated the battery section(s) to match the fact that there's a Lithium-based battery in the device.. instead of copying out the section from some very old Ni-MH-based device, like they did for the N800/N810 manuals (and also for some phones) which had irrelevant and wrong advice. This time they've got it basically right. Progress! :)
HSuhonen
2009-10-16, 11:10
@Flandry: The final user guides will be released when the sales start, so unfortunately, at this point I can't give you a direct link.
Daveb70 suggested earlier that the User guides could be reviewed by a selected group of Maemo community members before the sales start, and I see a lot of potential in the idea. I will take it up and look into it, and find out if we could develop such a process to support our internal processes when writing the guides. If you find any bugs in the User guide (language errors, technical errors, etc.), please file them in Bugzilla. All the relevant ones will be checked and corrected.
@zerojay: The analogy you used is very good, I completely agree with it :) Quality should be thought in every aspect of the product.
We have successfully done some community editing of documentation in the maemo.org wiki. I would be very interested in participating in something like that for the user manual.
Filing bugs in bugzilla for typos in the user manual seems inappropriate to me.
HSuhonen
2009-10-20, 14:16
We have successfully done some community editing of documentation in the maemo.org wiki. I would be very interested in participating in something like that for the user manual.
Filing bugs in bugzilla for typos in the user manual seems inappropriate to me.
Ok. Good to hear that there is interest in community editing of documentation. I think I will start a separate discussion about this topic in this forum later, after I've done my bit of investigation first :) I'll take your name down in my list anyhow :)
As to the bugs: Typos are always considered as minor bugs, they are not critical in the sense that they do not prevent the user from accomplishing a task. They may stand out of course, and give a negative impression of the quality, but still the users are happy that they have found a solution to a particular problem that may have had.
If there are typos in the localised versions of the guide (unfortunately, translators may make typos), please file them in Bugzilla. We can have these fixed in the translation memories so that they are not inherited to the next release, or even to the next product.
When user documentation is concerned, major bugs are always those cases when something is missing from the user guide that really should be there, or if the instructions are simply wrong in the sense that if the users follow the instructions, they cannot complete a task because of erroneous information.
seems like the manual is missing from Nokia site
http://www.nokiausa.com/get-support-and-software/product-support/n900/guides
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