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EDIT: the event is confirmed. Jump to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=364273&postcount=49
Hi, an idea we are cooking these days:
Maemo community developers and user experience professionals meet 3 days with 3 main goals:
- Improve the usability and visual appeal of great Maemo apps.
- Improve the UX documentation for Maemo developers.
- Get a critical mass of people interested in pushing forward UX meets Code activities online and face to face.
Idea: December 4-6, Barcelona. About 50 people invited.
We are lining up the right UX professionals from the Maemo team, Forum Nokia and developer partners.
Who is interested?
Please provide in this thread
- Your maemo.org profile (http://maemo.org/profile/list/) making sure that there one can find info about or links to your current projects and your interests in Code or UX.
- If you are more into Code, a link to the app hosted in maemo.org, either under Fremantle packages (http://maemo.org/packages/) or OS2008 Downloads (http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/).
- If you are more into UX, a link to wherever your work can be seen.
If we have a good response we will confirm the event. Forward this to your colleagues working on great stuff!
For budgeting and also practical purposes we will keep the number of participants around 50 people even if we get more requests. The criteria will be defined more or less by fast response, travel costs, community involvement and of course Maemo excellence in Code or UX.
General feedback about the hackfest itself is also welcome. We will share here more news.
timsamoff
2009-10-30, 12:25
This is COOL! Nice idea.
Wish I could, but I'll be tied up during that time. Unfortunately. :(
Tim
GREAT idea quim!
http://maemo.org/profile/view/lcuk/
http://liqbase.net
involvement in the maemo cocreation workshop prior to the summit was an amazing experience and we managed to express a great many ideas and potential applications and experiences and it would be great to expand a little more on these.
I am definitely interested:
http://maemo.org/profile/view/anidel/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/xournal/
Aniello
+ 1
http://maemo.org/profile/view/vdvsx/
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/bluemaemo/
I partially share Lcuk's thoughts, I loved participating in the co-creation session and also would like to see further brainstorming/development of the concepts :) .
prometoys
2009-10-30, 12:59
Hi,
I'm interested, too.
http://maemo.org/profile/view/prometoys/
I'm a media science student and interested in UX and Usability since a long time. But I can't present anything "real" except that I had classes in university about this topic and a handful reported bugs related to UX (which all received a wontfix/low priority)
But maybe there is a place for a newcomer, too?
http://maemo.org/profile/view/wazd/
http://tabletui.wordpress.com/
I'm interested as well, although I don't think Conboy is really appropriate as it does not have that much UI...
http://maemo.org/profile/view/conny
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/conboy
Framstag
2009-10-30, 13:56
I'm interested, too :)
http://maemo.org/profile/view/framstag
The topic interests me in general (one of the reason for going maemo was the chance to work on useability aspects on low resolutions devices). I'm also permanently trying to tune my applications to make them more useable on the device and detecting more possible applications and use cases. Getting and giving feedback would be <wow>.
+1
http://maemo.org/profile/view/andy80/
http://code.google.com/p/creditchecker/
http://code.google.com/p/qmediashare/
I'm interested too! Even if I've not release much UI code at the moment (because I'm working on two base library [creditchecker and qmediashare] I'll use in my next Maemo application) UI design is one of my preferred topic.
Last year in Firenze I had the possibility to attend a 6 month course about "Human-Computer Interaction" and this made me understand a lot of things about how UI should be designed and how not.
Using the N900 I've seen that lot of applications really need improvements about UI and I'm not talking only about community software, even Nokia software :)
I hope to see you all in Barcelona!
p.s: as you already know, I'll still be in Valencia in that period, so I think I'll be able to find a cheap travel option (it's something like 23€+23€ with RENFE), but if someone would like to share a small apartment for that weekend it would be nice!
javispedro
2009-10-30, 14:50
http://maemo.org/profile/view/javispedro/
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/drnoksnes/
(and OpenTTD and DOSBox, but UIs are not mine).
I don't know if I'm really the right person to discuss about UX ideas, but at least I can travel on foot to the event! :D
attila77
2009-10-30, 16:04
Duh, can't get a Visa for that period. :( Too bad, It would have been interesing to get UX collaboration on some 'real' projects now that I established a stable development workflow on Fremantle (I'm OK with code, but design/UI is killing me :) )
Hi,
After not being able to attend the summit, if this comes to reality I think it's a nice spot to share and absorb some good UX experience. Specially now that we are deeply doing some Maemo apps again.
Profile : http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=17
site : www.marceloeduardo.com
Experience: Leading a team of 15+ Designers doing a lot of apps / experiments for QT / Maemo5 :) . Old and really old apps for maemo:
- (simple pen UI for the old Doom port )
- ( Games: Blocks, Battlejeweled, crazyparking, etc)
- ( Apps: old video center, Canola1, canola2, Carman)
- ( Apps: Contrib. to first irreco, full design: SmartHome (there corporation) - S60, S40, Mobile web + Maemo )
- ( More coming soon! ) :)
BR
Marcelo
we need to attract more people... should we give this thread more visibility?
Hi
I'd be interested.
Profile: http://maemo.org/profile/view/zaheerm/
Site: http://zaheer.merali.org/
App in fremantle: http://maemo.org/packages/view/zoutube/
I mainly work upstream in GStreamer and Flumotion but I have quite a few maemo/fremantle projects in the offing including a weird circular clock desktop widget, port of Flumotion (I got it to already stream fine, now working on a Hildonized UI), MaemoSpykee (a Spykee robot controller), Nahjul Balagha (a port of the iPhone app of the same name), Zoutube and a few more.
we need to attract more people... should we give this thread more visibility?
don't know if the Quim intention is to attract ANY people. He posted only on maemo-developers mailing list, not on maemo-community or maemo-users and he didn't blog anything on Planet Maemo.
I've no problem to prepare a post on my blog, let's try to understand what Quim really wants.
Surely he wants to attract as many coders (interested in improving the user experience of their applications) and UX experts as possible :)
I've decided to make some image to promote the event with:
http://i051.radikal.ru/0910/9f/ee3552ac3b9d.png
http://s61.radikal.ru/i171/0910/b4/e5c011039fce.png
which one?
P.S.: Bous track :)
http://i017.radikal.ru/0910/1f/bd069200c7fe.png
opengeek
2009-10-31, 21:28
Hi, I introduce myself: I'm a second year student in the Barcelona Faculty of Informatics, a Faculty that is part of the well known Technical Univesity of Catalonia also known as Barcelona Tech.
http://www.fib.upc.edu/en.html
Will be possible to have some students from BFI looking arround on the hackfest! I think it would be a great oportunity to learn about the free software world and to introduce maemo platform to students.
What do you think about it?
I've decided to make some image to promote the event with:
http://i051.radikal.ru/0910/9f/ee3552ac3b9d.png
http://s61.radikal.ru/i171/0910/b4/e5c011039fce.png
which one?
P.S.: Bous track :)
http://i017.radikal.ru/0910/1f/bd069200c7fe.png
I really like the last one, but how about mantaining the same style and using Maemo logo and/or something related to Barcelona? :)
Hi, I introduce myself: I'm a second year student in the Barcelona Faculty of Informatics, a Faculty that is part of the well known Technical Univesity of Catalonia also known as Barcelona Tech.
http://www.fib.upc.edu/en.html
Will be possible to have some students from BFI looking arround on the hackfest! I think it would be a great oportunity to learn about the free software world and to introduce maemo platform to students.
What do you think about it?
I leave, of course, the last word to Quim who is organizing this event, but in my hopinion it would be great :)
It's very good that some students are interested in Maemo without having to tell them that Maemo exists.
Actually I'm studying at Universidad Politecnica de Valencia and here nobody seems to know anything about Maemo. For this reason I'm organizing a Maemo conference here with the help of a UPV teacher, hoping to make lot of students to be interested in developing for Maemo platform.
I really hope you can come to this hackfest :)
javispedro
2009-10-31, 21:37
Will be possible to have some students from BFI looking arround on the hackfest!
I've been considering that myself (spamming the alumni message boards ;) ), but with the hackfest being limited to 50 people, and considering the few people interested in Maemo development there (that I know of!) ... better wait a bit while the news travel over Maemo circles first.
I haven't blogged yet because of the TENTATIVE. And the TENTATIVE depends on the first reactions. They are very positive so far and I will wait until Monday, back to the office, to decide if we can confirm it.
The group of 50 people neds to be filled with people experienced already in Maemo development (hence the requirement of having stuff in OS2008 Extras or Maemo 5 extras-devel) or UX (hence the requirementof having visual stuff to show). We might have exceptions only if we are not overbooked and if we have budget.
But... this doesn't stop us (or you, penya barcelonina) of organizing more things around that. Presentation of Maemo 5 & the N900? Introduction to Maemo development? L10n of software or documentation to Spanish / Catalan? Primer Sopar de Germanor Tabletaire?
Keep the ideas coming. We will make the basic decisions next week.
opengeek
2009-10-31, 21:52
I expect iIwill have a response by Quim but I think that if we are on Barcelona the summit will no have an extra cost because we are there. Isn't it?
opengeek
2009-10-31, 21:55
what we need to start translating maemo4 and maemo5 to catalan?
javispedro
2009-10-31, 21:58
what we need to start translating maemo4 and maemo5 to catalan?
Please open a new thread about this. There are a few people already doing translations and I'll point them to your thread if you do that. Note though that I won't be of any help, I suck at localizing...
opengeek
2009-10-31, 22:00
First i'll try to find some people on the faculty to help me with the task because i don't nothing about it.
I haven't blogged yet because of the TENTATIVE. And the TENTATIVE depends on the first reactions. They are very positive so far and I will wait until Monday, back to the office, to decide if we can confirm it.
The group of 50 people neds to be filled with people experienced already in Maemo development (hence the requirement of having stuff in OS2008 Extras or Maemo 5 extras-devel) or UX (hence the requirementof having visual stuff to show). We might have exceptions only if we are not overbooked and if we have budget.
But... this doesn't stop us (or you, penya barcelonina) of organizing more things around that. Presentation of Maemo 5 & the N900? Introduction to Maemo development? L10n of software or documentation to Spanish / Catalan? Primer Sopar de Germanor Tabletaire?
Keep the ideas coming. We will make the basic decisions next week.
ouch... sounds like I don't match the requirements, since my application is not in Maemo repository yet, but it doesn't matter, I'm sure there are many more peple who deserve to come, before than me and I really want Maemo 5 to be improved :)
About the presentation, just to tell you, we (I and profesor Antonio Cano) are going to do it on 10th December, here in Valencia at Politecnica (if you remember, at the Summit I asked you some suggestion about how I could make students interested in what I'm going to talk about :P ). When we have more details, I'll create a little page on the Maemo Wiki with all informations (event will be open to all, not only for UPV students).
Let's continue spreading this event to all Maemo developers since they really have priority and then we will be able to get more people interested helping us.
what we need to start translating maemo4 and maemo5 to catalan?
To tell you the truth: I don't know (but I will ask). Several people is asking these days the same question. For Arabic, Catalan, Turkish... Can you or someone please start a new thread in Development as this is totally off topic in this thread? Thank you.
On the other hand, if the event happens the host will be http://citilab.eu/
They have several rooms available with different sizes, including an auditorium for 400 people.
I expect iIwill have a response by Quim but I think that if we are on Barcelona the summit will no have an extra cost because we are there. Isn't it?
if the 50 number of people limitation is only for the budget and you are all from Barcelona, I don't think you'll be a cost for them. Nokia in these cases sponsor travel and/or accomodation, but since you're already there you won't be a cost.
Andrea, don't make me laugh. You are a PyMaemo contributor, isn't it? If that doesn't count as proof of Maemo development knowledge... Besides, you are 400km away from BCN. It would be different if you would be in Valencia (Venezuela).
Of course it would be better if you have an app kind of working by December so you can benefit directly from the UX guys sitting next to you.
Andrea, don't make me laugh. You are a PyMaemo contributor, isn't it? If that doesn't count as proof of Maemo development knowledge... Besides, you are 400km away from BCN. It would be different if you would be in Valencia (Venezuela).
Of course it would be better if you have an app kind of working by December so you can benefit directly from the UX guys sitting next to you.
Quim, really, I wasn't bothering about it :)
Yes, I'm a PyMaemo contributor and yes I'm developing a library to get credit/sms informations from mobile carriers (I'll use it in my application) and I'm even working to qmediashare, a qt4-based library to allow sharing/uploading of pictures (just like the actual Maemo sharing plugins, but qt based and LGPL).
But... to be honest I don't have coded the UI part (yet), even if I've to code it as soon as possible, and I was just saying that maybe there are other people before than me deserving to come.
Anyway, as you can read from my first reply, I requested to come and I'll do my best to start working to the UI of my application, so stay tuned :)
Andy :D
if you haven't coded the UI yet and have a backend, surely there is scope to discuss and talk about tying your code with a nice front end!
really, if you are happy in the bowels, stay there, keep with your mockup UI and talk about it.
At the moment, only 13 people (counting Quim) have expressed their interest in coming to this hackfest.
Maybe we're still not enough to make Quim/Nokia confirm this event.
I wonder if this thing has not been advertised in the right way or if simply there's no interest from people.
Quim: could you wait 2-3 days more to take a decision and we'll try to spread/advertise this thing better?
This is COOL! Nice idea.
Wish I could, but I'll be tied up during that time. Unfortunately. :(
Tim
I'll go for you! :D
At the moment, only 13 people (counting Quim) have expressed their interest in coming to this hackfest.
Maybe we're still not enough to make Quim/Nokia confirm this event.
I wonder if this thing has not been advertised in the right way or if simply there's no interest from people.
Quim: could you wait 2-3 days more to take a decision and we'll try to spread/advertise this thing better?
Yeah, same feeling, but I think the 50 participants limit also includes the Nokians and partners (correct me, if I'm wrong), so perhaps we're already with a good number of participants ;), of course more participants should be welcome.
Very interested :)
Profile: http://maemo.org/profile/view/thp/
UX-related posts @ http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/
Screenshots of different gPodder versions @ http://gpodder.org/screenshots.html
Applications: gPodder (Extras (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/gpodder/), OS2008 (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/gpodder/)), Panucci (Extras-Testing (http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/panucci/0.3-8thp0/), OS2008 (http://www.maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/panucci/)), Tennix (Extras-Testing (http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/tennix/1.0-7/), OS2008 (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/tennix/))
Yeah, same feeling, but I think the 50 participants limit also includes the Nokians and partners (correct me, if I'm wrong), so perhaps we're already with a good number of participants ;), of course more participants should be welcome.
We are lining up the right UX professionals from the Maemo team, Forum Nokia and developer partners.
So yes, there should be some Nokians
The number 50 is an approximation. We can include Nokians or not.
I was hoping for a wider response, indeed. Maybe the TENTATIVE makes some people wait, but it would be good to know whether there is other developers interested even if it's also in TNTATIVE mode as well.
I would email the developers with apps in Extras / Extras-testing if I would have the time. Then again, I believe most of them are in maemo-developers... but perhaps not following that close?
And what about the locals? What are you up to? Today we had a call with Nokia Spain and I was selling them the idea of doing something with a more local focus in combination with the UX/Code "global" meeting...
opengeek
2009-11-02, 21:31
What about a maemo5 development masterclass? IT students in Barcelona would be pleased to go ^^ it's only an Idea i cannot ensure quorum.
opengeek
2009-11-02, 21:34
... or maybe somthing related to internationalization.
I just sent an email to an UPV teacher who is already interested in Maemo development, I hope he will be able to tell me if there are some UI experts here who would like to collaborate with Maemo community. I'll tell you the response as soon as he replies me.
I sure hope we end up with good representation! If I can do anything to help out (like blog on the subject, which I'm considering, or assistance with organization, etc) then let me know!
femorandeira
2009-11-02, 23:20
Hi,
I have been working with Igalia on Maemo for quite some time. I am currently on a leave of absence while I take part in the MSc in Human-Centred Interactive Technologies at the University of York, UK:
http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/postgraduate/Msc_HumanCentredIT.htm
As I have experience in Maemo and now I'm receiving formation related to UX and Interaction Design, I think that I could contribute some interesting ideas. Additionally, some of the topics discussed there could probably fit well in my Msc. Project and in my future work.
I would email the developers with apps in Extras / Extras-testing if I would have the time. Then again, I believe most of them are in maemo-developers... but perhaps not following that close?
Yes, please send out mails. I only looked into this thread after Andrea told me about it, so there are surely some interested developers that just don't know about this.
You should be able to get a list of e-mail addresses for Extras/Extras-Testing from these files (maintainers and packages):
http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/source/Sources
http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/fremantle/free/source/Sources
http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/non-free/binary-armel/Packages
http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/fremantle/non-free/binary-armel/Packages
wget -O- -q <one of the URLs> | grep ^Maintainer | sort | uniq
wget -O- -q <one of the URLs> | grep ^Maintainer | sort | uniq
Probably should limit the search for user/ category?
Opengeek, good ideas. It's a possibility, yes: "Get started with Maemo 5"
I also was thinking about inviting GNOME Hispano, KDE Hispano and Softcatalà. Whoever is active in these community is probably not far from having interest in Maemo 5.
I can also use the same list of emails I got some days ago from Niels for the DDP invitation. I bet most active developers are covered there.
I really don't have much time these days for datamining. Since the emails are in a maemo.org database it would be nice that the Maemo (council?) would be able to do such kind of things. Then again is precisely on holidays this month...
THE EVENT IS CONFIRMED.
I'll start a wiki page and start a new thread later today.
The UX meets Code hackfest will happen no matter what. Keep your submissions coming!
Parallel local activities are welcome! Just bring a convincing proposal and a convincing promoter. Avui millor que demà / Hoy mejor que mañana.
opengeek
2009-11-03, 08:53
Any experienced local (unlike me) that wants to make a "Get started with Maemo 5"?
aboaboit
2009-11-03, 10:25
I was hoping for a wider response, indeed. Maybe the TENTATIVE makes some people wait, but it would be good to know whether there is other developers interested even if it's also in TNTATIVE mode as well.
I waited because I am not sure whether I qualify: only entry I have in Extras for OS2008 is a repackaging for Maemo of a cmdline app. My friend Matteo (http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=25326) is also a beginner.
Would you recommend that we attend? If you're shooting higher, just say so, no hard feelings :)
In case of doubt apply. Maybe at the end it has to do with travel expenses as well: you need to be a genius to be invited from Melbourne but if you are based in Sitges then it's a different matter.
Apply and we'll see.
Do you guys think Graphic Designers may be interested in this hackfest as well ?
They may not be UX experts, but definitely can help creting a better loking UI ?
Not sure if a "generic" graphic designer would help or if there are Graphic designers with specific UI experience.
Aniello
Since the emails are in a maemo.org database it would be nice that the Maemo (council?) would be able to do such kind of things. Then again is precisely on holidays this month...
AFAIK, we don't have this kind of access, but if you need help with something, you know where to find the council ;).
aboaboit
2009-11-03, 11:36
Apply and we'll see.
Good plan, I like it. Here is the required info:
my profile (http://maemo.org/profile/view/aboaboit/)
openvpn repackage(*) (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/openvpn/)
(*) page hasn't changed since the older 2.0 release, not mine and quite different, still in the repo.
Anidel,
If a good design is described, the graphic designer can work later on the wireframes to improve the look and feel. I think the focus should be more on who can get the work done fast in 3 days (coders with UI experience + UI Designers ) UX is being used wrongly all over the web, but anyhow :)
matteone
2009-11-03, 12:22
So ... I try me too.
This is
my profile (http://maemo.org/profile/view/matteone/) ( I know ... I'm a terrible Newbie ).
And sorry but I have not yet done any project. But ... in the future ... i will try.
Thank's
The UX Meets Code discussion keeps being done here.
For the rest of parallel activities check
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=364433
I really don't have much time these days for datamining. Since the emails are in a maemo.org database it would be nice that the Maemo (council?) would be able to do such kind of things. Then again is precisely on holidays this month...
I'd be glad to... just need the access...
Hello everybody (my first post here!).
I've replied Quim in the developers list, but I'll copy and paste my reply here, since it seems is much more active place:
Will the venue be open to people who want to silently look and listen? In my
case, I have zero real involvement with the Maemo community right now, but
since I saw your keynote at GCDS and the first N900 specs, I've been lurking
a lot and looking for all news about Maemo that I could find.
I'm a long term Debian and KDE user, and I've contributed a little bit to both
projects in the past (packaging and coding), so I have some development
knowledge, and I'm really eager to have a Maemo device in my hands and find
time to do something with it.
I live in Barcelona, so my idea is to help wherever is needed in exchange for
the chance to chat with people and learn. Maybe I can pick people at the
airport and bring them to the meeting place, or help as a translator (outside
of the airport and the hotel, the locals are not usually good with
english ;-) ), etc.
If the venue is very space constrained and there is no space for people in my
situation, who don't have much to teach, but want to learn, I can still be
available if you want somebody to find a place to have dinner or grab a good
beer/coffee/whatever.
Greetings.
Now that the event is official, I will start spreading the word wherever I can.
Cheers.
tamarabaia
2009-11-03, 15:53
Very interested!!!
I have been working on the Interaction Design of some applications at OpenBossa Labs/INdT. Although I haven't been active on the discussions, I think this would be a great start to exchange some UX and Design experience we have built in our interdisciplinary team.
http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=25807
Projects I have worked on:
Canola 1 and 2,
Carman,
Some of the UI documentation for Smart Home,
And currently involved in some good stuff ( http://vimeo.com/7380069 )
After the introductions here, don't forget to add your info to this table: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend#Attendees
javispedro
2009-11-03, 18:03
Er.... I guess we "locals" have to put "Requested" in the Attendance column too. At least my request for invitation was not confirmed yet (even if there's no travel costs involved).
The list of attendees is for the whole Long Weekend and javispedro I guess you can consider yourself "Confirmed". I will start confirming the UX meets Code invited participants in a list apart.
I am Aleix Pol, I'm studying here in the FIB too and I'm a KDE developer (KAlgebra and KDevelop mainly).
I haven't done anything yet but I think it would be interesting so that's why I'd like to come.
I'm also a member of KDE Spain so if you would like to collaborate in some way that would be possible too. (we are quite some members from around that would be really nice).
As it happens, I am online (http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Lbt) :)
I'm interested in developing Shopper (http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/) more and understanding how the creative guys think about UI and UX.
Shopper includes some novel things like gestures (ie scribble to erase) and of course it is where my fingerscrolling code first came from. It will be in extras-testing for the N900 soon.
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend#UX_meets_Code
Now you can see how the 3 days will be more or less structured.
We look now for 9 projects that will get their 2h of fame ;) and group collaboration.
3 needing work in concepting
3 needing work in usability
3 needing work in graphics
Your proposals are welcome. Ideally the projects proposed should be interesting and strong/promising in many aspects, but needing some extra help in the specific area described. Of course at least the lead developer should be there, willing to be convinced about good ideas and willing to implement them. We will prioritize the invitation of other top contributors of the projects selected.
So please, tell names of projects and the day where they would fit best.
I would vote for Maemo Mapper! :)
Some ideas:
Concept: DOSBox frontend / game launcher
It's great to be able to run old DOS games, but having to operate the DOS command line is not fun. A concept for a graphical frontend to it would be helpful. Configuring input and games should be as easy as with DrNokSnes (or maybe even easier?).
Concept: MPlayer or VLC mobile UI
An alternative video player with support for more formats. They exist to some degree, but there is really no UI for them yet. A concept for an UI to easily select videos, and control playback is what this session should yield.
Concept: Device-wide search
The idea is to have a simple way to search (via keyboard input) all data on the device - conversations, contacts, music, videos, documents, images, e-mails, notes, applications, ... Something like Gnome Do or Quicksilver, but for Maemo. Ideally, we would be able to replace the "type-to-search contacts" of the Desktop with this (but that's a technical issue, the idea is to get a concept for an easy-to-use device-wide search tool).
Usability: Nicotine (or any other P2P filesharing app)
There should be an easy way to search for files, download them and then play them back. Nicotine is already there, but there's too much configuration and clicking involved. I think Daniel would be happy to get some support here.
Usability: Dopewars
Improve the usability of Dopewars. Game sessions should automatically be saved and restored, trading and fighting should be easy, a better overview of the buy/sell lists, etc.. (while still retaining the original gameplay feeling.. or maybe not?). Dopewars is fun already, but the UI is lacking (try it out on Maemo 4).
Usability: irrecco
Last time I tried this, the UI was horrible (had to get the stylus out, but it was still hard to use). Still, it's (afaik) the only application that can currently make good use of the IR transmitter in the N900. The backend is available, all we now need is a beautiful and easy to use UI with which users can configure their remote control buttons.
Graphics: Panucci
This is a portrait and landscape audiobook / concert / DJ set / podcast player for Maemo (some use it for music, too). It supports bookmarks and resuming, so the UI focus should be on these features. The UI is currently not optimal, so graphic UI designs for both landscape and portrait mode would be nice. (Disclaimer: I'm a developer of Panucci)
I propose GPXView and OSM2Go as they may need help polishing their applications.
I would propose my own application Xournal too as I would love to hear some UX ideas to be implemented (like the best way to have a tool "bar" as less intrusive as possible and ideas on how better I could implement the vast amount of tools and settings that Xournal provides).
Actually, that's the main reason why I applied for the UX hackfest.
Aniello
Good suggestions! Can you please contacts the developers to make sure they are aware of this and willing to come?
As a user myself, I wonder about
Vim in graphics. No, that was a joke. :)
liqbase in any category ;) Choose your preferred one. Not a joke! ;)
GPodder in Graphics. With a bit of pimp this app would earn many more users, I believe.
FBReader, I'm not sure in which category but it would be great to sponsor some days of ideas and energy to this project, if they are still interested in Maemo.
Mauku, still a last mile perhaps in concepting, perhaps in graphics.
All this are personal opinions! Only willing to shake the tree to see if more fruits are ready to go to the Long Weekend.
Maybe Vim no, but GVim could :D
femorandeira
2009-11-04, 16:21
Maybe some work could be done about text input, specially regarding on-screen keyboards. The usability in that area hasn't really changed much since the beginning, and Maemo is clearly behind other existing solutions.
The scope of UX meets Code are community projects. Still, if you make it to the long weekend most propbably you will have a chance with some of the Nokia designers partly responsible of those keyboards.
lostevil
2009-11-04, 18:48
My name is Álvaro Villalba and I'm yet another informatics engineering student at FIB.
I haven't developed anything yet for maemo, but I'm pretty interested on implement some ideas I have from quite time ago.
I think that attending Maemo Long Weekend could help me a lot and could be the push I need.
I'm Miquel Canes from Barcelona. Now I'm studing Informatics Engineering in the FIB (UPC).
I haven't done anyting yet in maemo but I'm very interested on developing applications for it using qt and participate in the barcelona long weekend can be a very good start.
suy, apol, lostevil, mcanes - it's *really* good to see your interest!
Please note that the right thread to discuss the local/parallel activities of the Long Weekend is this one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33905
Also EVERYBODY: please add yourselves at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend (I see most of the participants in this thread are already listed but just in case).
liqbase in any category ;) Choose your preferred one. Not a joke! ;)
cool quim!
thinking carefully, will clarify specifics asap
first thoughts
likely calendar for low hanging UI/UX fruit since there is great deal of interest already and easy to create variants from.
the orchestra collaborative app from the cocreation workshop would be a nice brain workout for the concepting :)
will have a proper think, had other things to worry about today.
femorandeira
2009-11-05, 01:18
The scope of UX meets Code are community projects.
You're right. A keyboard could be implemented as a plugin to the Input Method, and it could be developed openly with feedback from the community. However, I understand that this event is not focused on platform issues like this, but on applications and projects that can serve as good examples for future developers in Maemo.
Having said that, my vote is for Xournal. I love it, and I think that it could evolve a lot more.
I'm a Interaction Designer at OpenBossa/INdT - Manaus. In the last three year I've contributed to the Interaction Design, Graphic Design and Rapid Prototyping of many projects for Internet Tablets and Mobile Phones, like Canola 1, Canola 2, Carman and Home Control Center. I've also contributed to some community projects like GPS Camera and E-Coach and helped to forge the new maemo.org visual identity.
http://maemo.org/profile/view/mperes/
Sign me up on the UXers Team :)
HI, I'm interested too,
http://maemo.org/profile/view/b0unc3/
I'm not an UX coders , but I would like to know more and I think this is the right chance.
I'm interested in UI design and usability, but at the moment, I have done nothing relevant. I've followed some extra-course at University focused on this topic.
Of course, I can cede my place to another UX hackers :)
Daniele.
mikemorrison
2009-11-05, 21:25
I am also interested!
My maemo profile:
http://maemo.org/profile/view/mike_morrison/
And two of the projects that I'm working on:
quiver (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/quiver/)
gtktide (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/gtktide/)
I've ported gtktide to Maemo 5 but I have a few more tweeks to make before submitting it to extras. I haven't ported quiver yet although it builds 'as-is' in scratchbox. It will require some work before it looks nice in maemo 5. I think this hackfest would be a great place to get ideas on enhancing the user experience in both of these programs.
quiver could also be used as one of the example for a program "needing workin in usability" or "needing work in graphics".
Concept: Simple Video Editor
Lets you cut, merge and title videos taken say with your phone's camera and title them ready to keep, share with friends, facebook, flickr etc.
Concept: Simple Video Slideshow creator
Lets you select photos and some audio and creates a slideshow video ready to share.
zaheerm, good that I happen to know you are http://zaheer.merali.org/ = one of the GStreamer rock stars around. The simple video editor sounds like a good idea for concepting but... do you mean really starting from scratch? What do you think about getting Bilboed in the loop (another GStreamer Maemo lover) and work to bring PiTiVi to Maemo 5? http://www.pitivi.org/ Or something along those lines not to start from scratch.
Video editor is something currently missing and the N900 is capable of capturing great video shots, so the idea makes total sense and we are willing to support it.
lcuk, I was wondering if the best favour the Long Weekend could do to liqbase was on concepting, since I believe this is still the biggest weakness in that project. Once the concept is clear I'm sure you will have or find the hands to make it more usable and beautiful.
Also, did someone think of Mauku as a good candidate for the Graphics day?
quim,
the concept is easiest for me to talk about, hard to write down
the elevator pitch comes down to:
liqbase is an ideas playground.
i want a wall mounted computer to replace my pinboard and use small human oriented apps with sketch based input.
i want it to talk to my handhelds and sync so when tracy makes a note that shes working it will be updated on mine.
i want it to be usable by computerphobes and kids and the elderly (before you dismiss yourself, think of you in 50 years, I am..!) - it should be ubiquitous and intuitive computing.
my biggest lacking skill is presentation :$
It's out of scope to start another thread about the core purpose of liqbase here, but the purpose of the hackfest is precisely that others tell you how to improve the concept/usability/graphics of your project.
After all this time and all this fuzz liqbase still is far from having delivered a product, even if it contains all the elements to become a successful product. Probably a core problem is the lack of a crispy concept, and I'm not the first one telling you this (neither for the first time). :)
So I would say that if you want to keep having your own "liqbase framework" approach in the lines described above, fair enough. If instead you are welcoming external ideas to get that sketch based application organizing your stuff neatly in a visual calendar, then your project is a good candidate for Friday.
Lcuk, I would personally love one or two clear and easy to understand and to use tasks than a wonderful playground of everything possible in the world. ;)
Your stuff rocks, but in order for a lot of people to start using it, having one or two clear use cases from the very start to the very end (including features where you could easily export the stuff out of liqbase and publish/send it to someone else), I think that would be really cool.
Edit: Sorry for thread hijacking, this discussion should probably continue in some other thread.
This one comes to mind: A plea to lcuk (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33275).
Let's go back to topic.
zaheerm, good that I happen to know you are http://zaheer.merali.org/ = one of the GStreamer rock stars around. The simple video editor sounds like a good idea for concepting but... do you mean really starting from scratch? What do you think about getting Bilboed in the loop (another GStreamer Maemo lover) and work to bring PiTiVi to Maemo 5? http://www.pitivi.org/ Or something along those lines not to start from scratch.
Video editor is something currently missing and the N900 is capable of capturing great video shots, so the idea makes total sense and we are willing to support it.
Porting PiTiVi would work, but the UI would need to be tailored for the N900. PiTiVi (and gnonlin/gstreamer) has a lot of guts needed for a video editor behind the scenes so using it and a UI designed for the N900 with the simple use cases that one could and want to do on that form factor with the hardware it has would make a lot of sense.
Bringing Edward in would also be great, he only lives in central Barcelona :)
GPodder in Graphics. With a bit of pimp this app would earn many more users, I believe.
I'd be happy to have gPodder get some support from graphics wizards at the hackfest :)
GPodder in! http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend#Way_of_working
Thomas, start planning to join us in Barcelona. Instruction for you and the rest of invited participants will come hopefully on Monday-Tuesday.
We will decide on the rest of slots, aiming to confirm a project per day.
Something we are missing is more local developers. Not necessary to fill the slots for featured projects but at least to get involved in the hackfest. Alright, the PiTiVi lead developer is based in Barcelona. Who else?
yerga, actually your WordPy gets plenty of good feedback but would benefit from some UX love, isn't it? You also have a myriad of additional projects and I don't know what is currently your primary one.
Then jsmanrique had Elisator (http://elisator.garage.maemo.org/) and other (Python?) ports. Not apps for the mainstream but still Elisator was something quite unique that would benefit a lot now that there is a good camera to take pictures of milk samples.
Who else, who else...? Who else in Spain has potentially cool stuff for Extras?
zaheerm, good that I happen to know you are http://zaheer.merali.org/ = one of the GStreamer rock stars around. The simple video editor sounds like a good idea for concepting but... do you mean really starting from scratch? What do you think about getting Bilboed in the loop (another GStreamer Maemo lover) and work to bring PiTiVi to Maemo 5? http://www.pitivi.org/ Or something along those lines not to start from scratch.
Video editor is something currently missing and the N900 is capable of capturing great video shots, so the idea makes total sense and we are willing to support it.
I would most definitely like to come to provide input and feedback on what's needed to create a video editor on maemo. I'm in the process of writing code in GStreamer to make that even easier.
http://maemo.org/profile/view/bilboed/
yerga, actually your WordPy gets plenty of good feedback but would benefit from some UX love, isn't it? You also have a myriad of additional projects and I don't know what is currently your primary one.
Yeah, I'd love to go, it's a perfect date (bank holiday here) but my main problem is that I have serious difficulties with Shakespeare's language in real life, so I don't know how productive would be the session.
Please come. Every time you find a new excuse. :P
Yeah, I'd love to go, it's a perfect date (bank holiday here) but my main problem is that I have serious difficulties with Shakespeare's language in real life, so I don't know how productive would be the session.
That's not a valid excuse ;)
If I attend, I promise that you'll not be the one only speaking bad English :p. I can also speak Portuñol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portu%C3%B1ol) if that helps :D .
I know it's a lame excuse, but it's the most important!
I promise to practice during this month as much as I can but YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WARNED :p
How last option I'll bring a pocket dictionary with me ;)
Proposal: Let's to have some UX love for MaStory (formerly WordPy) then. It would be ideal that ARJWright (http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=13037) would be there too because sure he has many things to say about it, but I don't know how feasible it can be.
http://maemo.org/profile/view/yerga/
Tomaszd, interersting but this belongs to the Maemo-Barcelona Long Weekend thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33905 . Please delete your email here and post it there, where other people interested in L10n might see it. We still need to reach that critical mass.
Here the discussion is about the UX metts Code activity only. Yes, currently it's a bit of a mess but We'll sort out collateral events and discussions during next week.
joshua.maverick
2009-11-08, 23:09
@qgil, this may be in the wrong thread, but here goes:
I'm new to the community but I love design so I'm interested for sure:
Here is some of my Maemo Work
http://maemo.org/profile/view/joshuamaverick/
Personal IP Icons (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=339277&postcount=18)
Xournal Icons (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=331921&postcount=79)
maemo Mapper Icons (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=367710&postcount=36) (latest work)
WordPy App Icons (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=353122&postcount=48)
jMav smokeyLight Wallpapers (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33599&highlight=smokeyLight)
Personal Photo Frame Icon (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=358546&postcount=16)
Personal GPRS Icon (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=337783&postcount=114)
My company Maverick (http://www.mav-media.com) where I do Flash/Design as Interactive Director
I may be new here, but I really think I could help with furthering the design and visual appeal of maemo and maemo apps and widgets. Pick me, pick me! lol
Thanks for the consideration, I'd love to help out/contribute
Joshua Richards
fyi
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=369314
In your opinion: great Maemo 5 apps needing some UX love
I was wondering, if there will be space to develop something new during the hackfest, i.e put some ideas into the table and make the concept and the initial prototypes there :rolleyes: .
I was wondering, if there will be space to develop something new during the hackfest, i.e put some ideas into the table and make the concept and the initial prototypes there :rolleyes: .
not a bad idea :)
I was wondering, if there will be space to develop something new during the hackfest, i.e put some ideas into the table and make the concept and the initial prototypes there :rolleyes: .
You mean like.. uhm.. a proper RSS reader ? ;)
I did not want to threadjack which is why I kept it to a minimum.
this is also why I said think the Calendaring sketch wall is a simple logical application principle to start with.
its an easy thing which shows the principles well and can be adapted and changed to multiple purposes.
I will ensure by the time of the meetup that the calendar is completely standalone and available, just need to extract it from the playground itself and put a package round it.
I have been to some barcamps recently and they have a real world paper based grid which the sketching/calendaring ui would work well for.
pic here: http://liqbase.net/barcamp_grid.jpg
I've been a bit tied up this last week or so sorting out a dayjob (having some form of stable funding is much more important than anything for the family)
liqbase Calendar slected for the Concepting day!
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend#Way_of_working
lcuk, start getting prepared to come to Barcelona. Same as with GPodder and the rest of porjects scheduled, please ask to the contributors of your project to go to the Long Weekend as well. They will get preference in the invitations & sponsorship.
After giving it some more thought I´ve added myself to the wiki list now, although I´m not sure that I can contribute something useful to this event. I have some opinions about UX and translations, but that´s about it.
Please keep that in mind when you´re selecting people. I´m also happy if someone more UX focused is going instead of me :)
joshua.maverick
2009-11-09, 22:49
Do I just edit the wiki and put requested, or is there someone else doing that?
I'd like to go and design myself, and maemo apps, to death. And I think we need some more Canadians there!
Do I just edit the wiki and put requested, or is there someone else doing that?
Feel free to add you name there :).
I was wondering, if there will be space to develop something new during the hackfest, i.e put some ideas into the table and make the concept and the initial prototypes there :rolleyes: .
I would personally like to see something proper and new and cool too.
There was a post a while ago called:
"Would you like to see a dedicated Snake game for the N900?"
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32907
It is an iconic classic Nokia game and we could put our own Maemo spin on it :)
Speaking of new things: the Video Editor project gets the second slot of Friday.
There is many GStreamer developers in Barcelona, Zaheer made innocently a proposal in the right time and all these developer will benefit from good UX input.
Hi,
I added my name to the wiki but didn't say anything here - do I need to request an invitation here also?
I'm interested in attending for a number of reasons - a long-time interest in usability and design in the GNOME project, and through being Docmaster, an interest in improving UX docs for developers.
Dave.
Hi,
I've been doing some stuff for internet tablets since I've bought a 770 in 2006.
- The first project was a port of the Nethack game with a customized UI to be used in the tablets.
- The following was an attempt to port VLC and some libmpeg2 assembly optimizations as my university graduate project.
- The last one is the Tuner Tool that I wrote as introductory project into gstreamer.
As part of my work at Fluendo I've been involved on some of the codecs shipped by Nokia in the different devices.
I don't have any specific project in mind for the hackfest, maybe porting nethack to maemo 5 and improve the UI, or I could also join to the video edition project.
Josep.
Hi, I'm a Symbian C++ developer, and I live in Barcelona. It would be a pleasure to take part in this project. I've only got end-user experience with Maemo platform, but it could be a great opportunity to start doing something more with it, since it's becoming a serious player in the mobile world.
I would only be able to attend the meetings on Friday. I hope it wouldn't be a problem.
Many heavy weights in the Maemo UX teams have confirmed their participation in the UX meets Code hackfest. Squeeze all the help you can get from them!
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend#Participants
We are hoping to open the formal registration and sponsorshipm requests as soon as we have the registration tool up and working (the same we used for the Summit). We will follow the same process with Kaleva Travel as we had in the Summit and I'm looking for a right hotel t have shared rooms for the sponsored participants, just like we did in the Summit.
Budget, travel agency, venue, UX specialists, almost the hotel rooms... all is prepared to start approving sponsorship requests and start booking flights BUT
day after day I'm waiting for some help to fine tune the registration page so we can start calling to the Maemo - Barcelona Long Weekend participants. In previous events it has been Niels the person creating the registration events but this time he is on holidays. But there must be someone elsem knowing how to do this...
I have asked for help first in the maemo-community list and now directly to Nemein, since it's a Midgard module and I don't know how to edit the form (we don't have shirts and the areas of focus are different than in the Summit, that's all). As soon as this is fixed we will be able to start processing your requests, and we will go fast.
If tomorrow morning this is not fixed then I will send an email with travel instructions to the people invited and the worst that will happen will be that you will need to register formally when the registration tool is up and running.
javispedro
2009-11-12, 11:55
Btw, do you know that Dec 6th is a Bank holiday in Spain? Since you called the "other event" a "Long Weekend" I assume you know, but just to be on the safe side...
Well, Dec the 6th is Sunday. Shouldn't matter, should it?
Yes, I was wondering whether the Pont de la Immaculada Constitucio would help us getting more people or the opposite.
By the way, with so many UX sensitive people around... would it be possible to get some help and get a very nice wiki page?
aSIMULAtor
2009-11-12, 21:49
Hello
I would like to request to attend this event.
- http://maemo.org/profile/view/asimula/
- I'm a UX designer specializing in layout design and have experience in Maemo 5 ;)
javispedro
2009-11-12, 21:55
Yes, I was wondering whether the Pont de la Immaculada Constitucio would help us getting more people or the opposite.
More students, take that for granted. Dunno about the rest, really...
As a UX topic proposal, what about games UI (generic, not talking about any concrete example)? The current osso-games-startup is surely going to die (since it's Gtk+ based after all), and there's still a lot of questions to be resolved about what users expect from "quick" games on Maemo:
- Is a startup screen like the current osso-games-startup one the best approach? Jump directly to the fullscreen game?
- Allow games to continue in the background -- potentially killing battery? Warn user about this? How? Prefer autosave and close instead of going to the background?
- If "Common" startup screen: design? game banner+esrb rating+ play and restart buttons?
- Expected ingame widgets: the close button. or task switcher icon that opens game menu? second app causes autosave+close and opens system task switcher?
- Multiplayer games -- there's a lot of infrastructure in the Chatting app available AFAIU. Potentially you could tap on a contact and "play a game of X".
Dunno if it's the best topic to dedicate for a two hours discussion (but seeing most spots are still FIXME :P ... ).
javis, i think that would be cool.
Hi, those of you that have requested invitation here please formalize it at the official registration: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=374161#post374161
Sorry for the double work. The Long Weekend is growing and we needed something more robust for registration than a wiki page. No need to explain again all the things you have explained already here.
allnameswereout
2009-11-13, 04:27
Concept: MPlayer or VLC mobile UI
An alternative video player with support for more formats. They exist to some degree, but there is really no UI for them yet. A concept for an UI to easily select videos, and control playback is what this session should yield.Make a UI frontend agnostic to whether MPlayer or VLC is used. Use codecs as they are provided instead. Preferably GStreamer.
Concept: Device-wide search
The idea is to have a simple way to search (via keyboard input) all data on the device - conversations, contacts, music, videos, documents, images, e-mails, notes, applications, ... Something like Gnome Do or Quicksilver, but for Maemo. Ideally, we would be able to replace the "type-to-search contacts" of the Desktop with this (but that's a technical issue, the idea is to get a concept for an easy-to-use device-wide search tool).Agreed. Tracker is used backend for this right now. Needs finger-touch-friendly frontend & plugins. See Kupfer thread.
Usability: Nicotine (or any other P2P filesharing app)
There should be an easy way to search for files, download them and then play them back. Nicotine is already there, but there's too much configuration and clicking involved. I think Daniel would be happy to get some support here.Nicotine+ is bloated and dead. Museek+ is the future, and the concept fits perfect on N900 purpose. OTOH, P2P clients without checksumming are dead too.
Make a UI frontend agnostic to whether MPlayer or VLC is used. Use codecs as they are provided instead. Preferably GStreamer.
I suggested that one because VLC and MPlayer support more formats than GStreamer (even on my Desktop when installing all the "bad" and "ugly" plugins). We don't need another frontend with GStreamer as a backend - the built-in media player is mostly great already. (of course, a goal would be to have all codecs inside/available for GStreamer - but until that happens, I want my VLC- or MPlayer-backed media player, so I can enjoy exotic formats right now instead of "maybe in 7 months").
Nicotine+ is bloated and dead. Museek+ is the future, and the concept fits perfect on N900 purpose. OTOH, P2P clients without checksumming are dead too.
Although Nicotine+ still works fine for me (even on the N800), we could give Museek+ a try. The fact that is has the backend split from the frontends might make it easy to create a fresh, stripped-down Maemo UI for mobile usage. And there are several clients (http://www.museek-plus.org/wiki/MuseekClient) to choose from to base the Maemo UI on :)
allnameswereout
2009-11-14, 16:05
I suggested that one because VLC and MPlayer support more formats than GStreamer (even on my Desktop when installing all the "bad" and "ugly" plugins). We don't need another frontend with GStreamer as a backend - the built-in media player is mostly great already. (of course, a goal would be to have all codecs inside/available for GStreamer - but until that happens, I want my VLC- or MPlayer-backed media player, so I can enjoy exotic formats right now instead of "maybe in 7 months").Hmm, in my case VLC cannot play files which Totem (with Fluendo bundle) can play. Or which RealPlayer can play.
I think the most user-friendly, short-term solution is to allow the user to find suitable plugins to play the file _including_ using VLC as backend.
For long-term it is find out the most popular of the features (e.g. exotic formats) which are not supported and support them via Nokia infrastructure which is GStreamer (and PulseAudio).
For example, when the lack of equalizer was pointed out a Nokia employee wrote an (unofficial) GStreamer equalizer plugin.
Although Nicotine+ still works fine for me (even on the N800), we could give Museek+ a try. The fact that is has the backend split from the frontends might make it easy to create a fresh, stripped-down Maemo UI for mobile usage. And there are several clients (http://www.museek-plus.org/wiki/MuseekClient) to choose from to base the Maemo UI on :)Versions before 1.2.10 suffer from an evil memory leak. The interface of Nicotine-Plus is optimized for a GTK2-based desktop.
Museek-Plus OTOH allows one to run the P2P-side on a different computer than the client which is by itself a useful feature (think of it running on a low-power ARM/MIPS/PPC device, or on a fast file server) and also useful for those who are roaming.
The user is also able to pick client best for their OS and liking: Mucous (ncurses-based client), Murmur (pygtk2-based client), Museeq (qt4-based client) and some command line tools. The Museek-Plus protocol is completely open, and the SLSK protocol is abstracted by Museekd.
I'm not sure how well Museek-Plus runs on Windows though, but the source is open. Another problem may be that the current clients are not optimized for finger-based touchscreen usage, and there is no web-based frontend.
BTW, the other P2P client which has a similar architecture as Museek-Plus is MLDonkey. It has support for multiple P2P protocols.
Mmm we need to do something about http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend/UX_meets_Code
This thread is too silent lately. :)
There is a lot of warming up in the UX / organization side, and we are getting a good bunch of professional designers ready to help developers improving their apps.
But what we start to miss now are... the developers with the cool applications!
REMEMBER TO REGISTER! We are sponsoring 17 participants at the moment (see the list at http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo-barcelona_long_weekend/ ) and we have still budget for some more.
Irreco would be a good candidate application for the UX/UI tuning but as far as i know there are not many active developers at the moment. That application has a huge potential.
We also need one more project proposal in "concepting", three more in "usability" and two more in "graphics", if we want to keep the proposed project schedule as it is now.
Depending on how many different suggestions there are, an idea (for Saturday - the Usability day) would be to have shorter time slots, but have more applications (many applications in Extras need "just a little more love" to be more usable). Going through an application, highlighting problems and figuring out improvement suggestions can probably be done in 30-40 minutes per application instead of 2 hours (but maybe I'm also just misunderstanding what is going to happen in these sessions :).
What about usability for zoutube (the youtube app i wrote, which this weekend will hopefully have iplayer inside or as a separate app using most of the same structure)
These days are being quite hectic and the Long Weekend itself is growing out of our initial expectations. Next Monday I will let Arabella (Forum Nokia) to handle the finishing of the agenda. It would be good if there would be a community representative since until now it's only me bridging between everybody.
Arabella is a UX specialist and she has discussed a lot of ideas already with the rest of professional designers joining the UX event.
These days are being quite hectic and the Long Weekend itself is growing out of our initial expectations. Next Monday I will let Arabella (Forum Nokia) to handle the finishing of the agenda. It would be good if there would be a community representative since until now it's only me bridging between everybody.
Don't know if I can help or if help from the community is still needed, but fell free to ask :).
I'm still not completely sure how this event will work, so my suggestion is maybe not feasible, but here it goes...
I have something for concepting and if there is someone with good coding and probably math skills, we could maybe implement it during the weekend.
I would call it Lightscribe, Lighttalk, Laserwrite or something similar. Basically you enter some text. Then you hold the screen of your device facing away from you over your head in portrait orientation. Now you wave your arm continuously from left to right. If you are in a dark place the formally entered text should be visible as a ghost image readable even from far away.
The idea is of course not mine, there are already devices like that:
http://www.gadzooki.com/cool-stuff/lighttalk-ii/
Still, it could be something pretty neat if the display of the N900 is bright enough. Also it could be something with a little wow-factor which IMO has something to do with positive user experience and which is still lacking on the platform.
We have many good/nice/solid/useful apps, but we're missing out the wow-apps :)
RevdKathy
2009-11-22, 10:36
I'm hoping the Documents stuff will have a session thrashing out how to write stuff for new users/ non-techs in user-friendly language. I fear some of the highly technical people don't realise how inaccessible some of this place is to n00bs.
I'm hoping the Documents stuff will have a session thrashing out how to write stuff for new users/ non-techs in user-friendly language. I fear some of the highly technical people don't realise how inaccessible some of this place is to n00bs.
Exactly. If I was there that would be my focus, so I'm counting on you Kathybear!
conny,
the Push N900 competition had a proposal (which was going to use liqbase) which did what you are talking about
http://wouwlabs.com/blogs/jeez/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/presentation_pov.pdf
i almost fell off my chair when I saw it, cos it was buried away in the middle of a bunch of canola updates.
I have many concepts that I would like to evolve along very similar interwoven groundings, from things like tic-tac-toe (perfect touchscreen stuff) to the full orchestra collaborative app.
I decided on the calendar because it can be used for many other practical things even though it wont use all the strengths, it does go over multiple file construction and will hopefully touch on collaborative editing and stuff :)
I want to get the coding for the network based liqflow working properly as well and that has technical challenges which would make it a really good challenge.
essentially I just want to make use of sketches and get the devices talking to each other locally.
sjgadsby
2009-11-23, 05:37
"Tentative" happily removed from thread title.
lcuk, thanks for the pointer - it looks really cool. Only difference is, that they are using a grid of external LEDs and I was thinking about using the display and the build in accelerometers directly. I'll have to think about something else now ;)
lorebett
2009-11-24, 08:14
I'd be interested to.
http://maemo.org/profile/view/lorebett/
I've been working on open source software for a while now
http://www.lorenzobettini.it/web.php/Main/Software
and also on Qt based software.
I'm a researcher on Computer Science, basically on language design and implementation.
cheers
Lorenzo
Please register at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend
lorebett
2009-11-24, 08:40
Please register at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend
I had already done that...
I am definitely interested:
http://maemo.org/profile/view/anidel/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/xournal/
Aniello
Which day would you prefer?
+ 1
http://maemo.org/profile/view/vdvsx/
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/bluemaemo/
I partially share Lcuk's thoughts, I loved participating in the co-creation session and also would like to see further brainstorming/development of the concepts :) .
Which day would you prefer?
I am Aleix Pol, I'm studying here in the FIB too and I'm a KDE developer (KAlgebra and KDevelop mainly).
I haven't done anything yet but I think it would be interesting so that's why I'd like to come.
I'm also a member of KDE Spain so if you would like to collaborate in some way that would be possible too. (we are quite some members from around that would be really nice).
It would be nice to have one known KDE application ported to Maemo. If you get a good candidate (not KOffice since they are getting already UX help from us) and have the lead developer(s) in the Long Weekend then I'm all for having one of the slots for that project. We can still sponsor 1-2 developers for this.
Which day would you prefer?
I would say Saturday?
Edit: yep definitely interested in the Usability day.
It would be nice to have one known KDE application ported to Maemo. If you get a good candidate (not KOffice since they are getting already UX help from us) and have the lead developer(s) in the Long Weekend then I'm all for having one of the slots for that project. We can still sponsor 1-2 developers for this.
DigiKam? :)
Uhm no, I think something is already boiling for an image editor program for Maemo 6...
Proposal: Let's to have some UX love for MaStory (formerly WordPy) then. It would be ideal that ARJWright (http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=13037) would be there too because sure he has many things to say about it, but I don't know how feasible it can be.
http://maemo.org/profile/view/yerga/
Which day would you prefer?
Comments welcome about these candidates:
MyPaint, proposed in another thread. Definitely interested but we need to know whether there would be at least one developer bringing it to Maemo 5. Usability?
Mapper. Alberto Mardegan registered today. Are there more developers interested? Will anybody put navigation there? Usability?
Conboy is interesting for concepting imho specially if the project wants to move forward instead of being a simple replica of Tomboy. What about a metawiki where users can link URLs, local files, embed objects... or something like that. And polish the local/online link. Concepting?
Conboy is interesting for concepting imho specially if the project wants to move forward instead of being a simple replica of Tomboy. What about a metawiki where users can link URLs, local files, embed objects... or something like that. And polish the local/online link. Concepting?
Linking of URLs, email addresses and local files is already possible. Something Tomboy is doing too, btw.
Anyways, I´m open to new concepts and ideas, but in fact the problem is not the lack of ideas/vision, but the lack of developer man power. This is made worse by the fact, that I need to rewrite it using Qt.
Because of this I consider Conboy almost dead. If I want to have something ready for Maemo6 launch, I´ll have to start the rewrite soon. Probably I´ll go into bug fixing mode in early 2010, so I´m not sure if it makes sense to put "Concepting" energy into right now. Of course those concepts could be reused in the Qt version. But then we should replace the name with Cuteboy :)
It would be fine for me, but it would take a long time until those concepts would be visible in software.
I would say Saturday?
Edit: yep definitely interested in the Usability day.
Count on this, then. I'll update the wiki this evening.
If you have other core contributors please propose them to register. I can't guarantee sponsorship since it will depend on the people invited from other projects, but the will is there.
This goes for the rest of projects taking part in the Long Weekend. The deadline for sponsorship requests is this weekend!
Which day would you prefer?
I prefer Friday, if there's not another project more interesting for this slot. Please note that I'm not putting BlueMaemo in the table, because I already have help from a designer (wazd) and IMO the results so far are good (see the extras-devel version for a preview), the project is a bit stuck because Wazd has paid work to do atm :( .
My intentions are for a small Pexeso-like game (you like chess games, I like concentration games :p) with multiplayers functionality and other cool stuff, this is mostly in planning mode (for a long time), but I think with some help from the UX people this can be shiny and unique :).
But as I said feel free to put other project in more advanced state in this slot, I probably can bug the UX people during the weekend :D.
Ah. I was indeed thinking in Blue... Are you sure that can't be squeezed in UX improvements?
Ah. I was indeed thinking in Blue... Are you sure that can't be squeezed in UX improvements?
Of course it can, but it's a bit unfair IMO, because someone already started the work and it's not finished yet (3 screens missing atm).
PS. Don't worry about the current app name, I'll change it in the first public release :).
Thank you for all your input! Let's close this preparative thread and let's move onto
UX meets Code: the work in progress thread (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=393329)
With this I'll handle the coordination to Arabella. She will introduce herself in the new thread. I must concentrate on other areas of the fast-growing Long Weekend!
Which day would you prefer?
I have seen in the Agenda (https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend/UX_meets_Code) that MaStory has been accepted for the Sunday.
I don't mind it (on the contrary I'm very happy that it's accepted), except that I have the flight back to home at 16:15.
I see that Thomas has the same problem, so I would say it's not necessary be physically there, we can always ask to someone be there by us, true?
something I have thought about that may need some concepting.
Recently Frals and co have taken up the technical work for adding MMS into the subsystem.
how about we look at how we want the UX to work with it?
a concepting session on MMS on the N900?
something I have thought about that may need some concepting.
Recently Frals and co have taken up the technical work for adding MMS into the subsystem.
how about we look at how we want the UX to work with it?
a concepting session on MMS on the N900?
Wow, Is this working in any form ? Last time I checked they were facing some big blockers.
of course they have blockers
but nothing to stop us from talking about the UX :)
of course they had blockers
but nothing to stop us from talking about the UX :)
Had ? So it works ? I'm impressed :D
dont twist my words young'un \@
changed comment above
I'm not joking, afaik this is very complex stuff, I would be very surprised if someone can make it work in a reasonable way in so short time.
About your proposal, it's a good idea but a bit risky, since we don't have any assurance that this will work in the near future, so it can be a waste of time :(. As I said this is very complex stuff and seems to require some changes to the kernel.
I have seen in the Agenda (https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend/UX_meets_Code) that MaStory has been accepted for the Sunday.
I don't mind it (on the contrary I'm very happy that it's accepted), except that I have the flight back to home at 16:15.
I see that Thomas has the same problem, so I would say it's not necessary be physically there, we can always ask to someone be there by us, true?
C'mon, you only need to go to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=393329 and propose something to fit your flights! It's *your* hackfest and we're talking about *your* slots. Also, don't wait for Sunday morning to get help!
PS: This thread is closed, please move on to the new one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=393329
something I have thought about that may need some concepting.
Recently Frals and co have taken up the technical work for adding MMS into the subsystem.
how about we look at how we want the UX to work with it?
a concepting session on MMS on the N900?
Are Frals & co coming to Barcelona? If so all they need to do is add the project at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend/UX_meets_Code#Projects where it says "Your project here". This is an advice for the rest of you, taking part with your current pet projects!
Without MMS developers I don't see much point discussing about MMS UI.
PS: This thread is closed, please move on to the new one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=393329
I started a feedback thread about the long weekend here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=417690
Please share your thoughts there :)
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