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Arctine
2010-01-25, 18:26
Here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsYyr9eUkA4

Ok, now you've seen what you're aiming to achieve, let's get on with it.

I've tried to make this guide as simple and short as possible so that everyone with an n900 can easily get Windows 95 running.

First things first, you're gonna need a few programs installed on your device to do this. Don't worry, they can be found in the maemo repositories.

emelFM2: This is an invaluable file manager. It allows you to do anything you want with any file on your device, including system files so be careful when you use it.

Dosbox: This is an x86 emulator with dos. It's what you're going to be using to boot Windows 95 with.

Installed those? Great. Next thing you're going to need is a bootable .img file of Windows 95. Now, i can't give you the one i have as that would class as piracy so you have two options; make one or find one on the internet. If you have the knowledge/skills to make one with your existing Windows 95 CD, do it. Failing that, search google for 'w95.img'. I'm quite sure you'll find what you need, if not you can always pm your email address for, 'extra advice'.

The same .img files used for loading Windows 95 on a symbian device or Sony PSP will work.

Ok, now you've got your .img, for the sake of making this guide easier to follow., rename the file w95.img. Good. Put the file in home/user/MyDocs (n900/ in the file manager)

Time to get started then ;)

Make sure you type all codes exactly as they are written here, linux is case sensitive.

1) open up x-terminal and type the following:
cd /home/user/MyDocs/
mkdir dos
cd dos
mkdir 95
cd /home/user/MyDocs/
mv w95.img /home/user/MyDocs/dos/95

2) open up emelFM2, click the white box on the left hand screen and type:
/home/user/.dosbox

A file called dosbox-0.73.conf should appear in the box below, highlight that file by clicking on it once then click the green downwards arrow in the center of the screen and press edit.

Scroll down to the bottom of this file to where it says 'Lines in this section willbe run at startup' and type the following underneath:
mount c /home/user/MyDocs/dos
c:
imgmount e c:\95\w95.img -t hdd -fs fat
boot -l c

Click save and close emelFM2. Open Dosbox and sit back and watch while Windows 95 loads on your n900 :D
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If you want to have a go at making programs run a bit better in dosbox, open up and edit the .dosbox config file again with emelFM2 and:

Disable all the sound emulation. (I'm sure you can do that without my help)

fullscreen=true
fulldouble=false
fullresolution=640x480

core=auto
cputype=auto
cycles=2800
cycleup=100
cycledown=100

These are the settings i use but they're not 100%; I can't seem to get the mouse to sync.

Try tweeking the cycle value (i'd stick to say, 1000-15000) to see how well you can run it. Note; setting it too high will result in massive slow downs!
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I have tested Windows 98 (lite professional) and it runs using the method shown here. It's not as quick as 95 but it's not too bad. If anyone wants to try run it themselves simply replace the w95.img with a Windows 98 image.

Peace.

*Sonic*
2010-01-25, 18:39
When you say a bootable img file of Win95 do you mean an install disc or a working installed 'live cd' version of win95 ?

Arctine
2010-01-25, 18:42
When you say a bootable img file of Win95 do you mean an install disc or a working installed 'live cd' version of win95 ?

The latter. It'd be the same img as the ones used for running 95 on a symbian device.

cardiff-blues
2010-01-25, 18:43
Have you tried Windows XP?

Arctine
2010-01-25, 18:44
Have you tried Windows XP?

No point trying. It couldn't work with dosbox, sorry.

cheve
2010-01-25, 18:50
Arctine,

Do you have links/pointers to make the win95.img - I have an official Win95 CD.

Cheers,

CarstenDutch
2010-01-25, 18:50
Windows ME?

Modell900
2010-01-25, 18:50
This sounds so weird I just got to try it :D
Probably more of a fun app, then useful haha!

/cheers

R-R
2010-01-25, 18:54
If you're able to run Office it might be useful... how slow is it? can you make a (steady :P) video with some apps running to see if it's usable? :-)

Arctine
2010-01-25, 18:56
Windows ME?

Not using this method, no. I've heard someone has got Windows NT running but i dunno much about it personally.

Arctine
2010-01-25, 18:59
If you're able to run Office it might be useful... how slow is it? can you make a (steady :P) video with some apps running to see if it's usable? :-)

I haven't got the means of uploading another video but i'll tell you, it's quite usable and not too slow if you configure your dosbox .config (search this site if you need more info on that). I'm not sure about installing any programs, i haven't tried.

*Sonic*
2010-01-25, 19:07
What about the w98 image have you tried that ?

Arctine
2010-01-25, 19:11
Arctine,

Do you have links/pointers to make the win95.img - I have an official Win95 CD.

Cheers,

Check your PMs.


As for Windows 98, i'm trying to get that working now, yeah.

gregc2009
2010-01-25, 19:30
I am not finding emelFM2 in the app manager. I have testing and devel enabled.

rwijnhov
2010-01-25, 19:38
What setting did you change in the dosbox.conf to make yours so fast. W95 is incredible slow on my n900 and how did you make it fit on your screen?

Arctine
2010-01-25, 19:46
I am not finding emelFM2 in the app manager. I have testing and devel enabled.

http://www.debernardis.it/downloads/emelfm2_0.5.0-rev29-optified01.deb

Download that through the browser on your device and save it in the 'n900' folder.

open x terminal and type:
cd /home/user/MyDocs/
dpkg -i emelfm2_0.5.0-rev29-optified01.deb

gregc2009
2010-01-25, 19:52
Thank you Arctine!

Arctine
2010-01-25, 19:52
What setting did you change in the dosbox.conf to make yours so fast. W95 is incredible slow on my n900 and how did you make it fit on your screen?

Disable all the sound emulation. (I'm sure you can do that without my help)

fullscreen=true
fulldouble=false
fullresolution=640x480

core=auto
cputype=auto
cycles=2800
cycleup=100
cycledown=100

These are the settings i use but they're not 100%; I can't seem to get the mouse to sync

NotTheMessiah
2010-01-25, 20:02
ok now i havent tried win95 in dosbox (my install files are bad) but i did have win3.1 running, although very slow. something you may want to try is setup easy debian lxde and run win95 in dos box within that. i know it sounds a little crazy but it will execute faster. i had win3.1 running a good 4 times faster when executing this way as apose to running in dosbox within maemo. not sure why it works better but it just does. perhaps lxde is better optimized than maemo but even so considering maemo is still running while lxde is eating up some cpu time dosbox still works ALOT better.

NotTheMessiah
2010-01-25, 20:17
oh and the mouse will sync better. its not spot on but is better especially if the first place you touch the screen is where the cursor is.

CarstenDutch
2010-01-25, 20:22
Errors, I edited the config of dosbox

http://www.xs4all.nl/~carsten/Errors/screenshot21.png
http://www.xs4all.nl/~carsten/Errors/screenshot22.png

Arctine
2010-01-25, 20:25
Errors, I edited the config of dosbox

http://www.xs4all.nl/~carsten/Errors/screenshot21.png
http://www.xs4all.nl/~carsten/Errors/screenshot22.png

You need a capital d in /MyDocs/

CarstenDutch
2010-01-25, 20:32
Must be,

mount c /home/user/MyDocs/dos
c:
imgmount e c:\95\w95.img -t hdd -fs fat
boot -l c

qole
2010-01-25, 20:35
Ah, ok, so you still have the "crazy mouse" problem. That's always been the blocker before. Without a fix for "crazy mouse" this is just a curiosity.

Arctine
2010-01-25, 20:36
Must be,

mount c /home/user/MyDocs/dos
c:
imgmount e c:\95\w95.img -t hdd -fs fat
boot -l c

Exactly.

Corrected the typo :)

Arctine
2010-01-25, 20:37
Ah, ok, so you still have the "crazy mouse" problem. That's always been the blocker before. Without a fix for "crazy mouse" this is just a curiosity.

Yeah, I can't find away around it. It's fine if you use vnc to control it. It's not only Windows though, it's any program i run in Dosbox =\

CarstenDutch
2010-01-25, 20:49
This is cool!, thanks for helping me too play with win95 on N900!

Somebody get that mouse fixed lol

leetut
2010-01-25, 21:29
http://www.debernardis.it/downloads/emelfm2_0.5.0-rev29-optified01.deb

Download that through the browser on your device and save it in the 'n900' folder.

open x terminal and type:
cd /home/user/MyDocs/
dpkg -i emelfm2_0.5.0-rev29-optified01.deb
tried this but got::
status database locked by another process?
lucky me!
im not letting it beat me tho!
ill fight it to the death! (reboot and try again lol)

pycage
2010-01-25, 21:38
ill fight it to the death! (reboot and try again lol)

Either that or just quit the application manager before using dpkg. :)

lowang35
2010-01-25, 21:55
Does anyone know how I can access the files in home/user/MyDocs from Windows? I tried mounting the folder I need in Dosbox as drive d... But it doesnt seem to appear in windows 95.

leetut
2010-01-25, 22:24
i just cant install emelfm2, now i get: cannot access archive: no such file or directory, errors were encountered while processing
i used the link provided, spelling is correct, file is in documents (the folder n900 downloaded it to), i cant put the file into MyDocs cos it does not exist if i look for it using n900 file manager,
so i connect to WinSCP and i can see MyDocs but i cant find 'documents'
its painfull being a n00b again!

Arctine
2010-01-25, 22:29
i just cant install emelfm2, now i get: cannot access archive: no such file or directory, errors were encountered while processing
i used the link provided, spelling is correct, file is in documents (the folder n900 downloaded it to), i cant put the file into MyDocs cos it does not exist if i look for it using n900 file manager,
so i connect to WinSCP and i can see MyDocs but i cant find 'documents'
its painfull being a n00b again!

The root folder of your flash drive is located at /home/user/MyDocs/ via x-terminal but in the maemo file manager, it's the folder called 'n900' where you find the, audio clips, camera, documents, images, video clips etc folders. Place your .deb file in this 'n900' folder and run the dpkg code again :)

leetut
2010-01-25, 22:40
Put the file in home/user/MyDocs (n900/ in the file manager)

looks like i didnt read the first post properly:eek:

Arctine
2010-01-25, 23:10
I've got Windows 98 running, (lite professional) but it's a lot slower than 95. Gonna have a play around.

For those who want to try themselves, simply replace the w95.img with a 98 image.

leetut
2010-01-25, 23:18
2) open up emelFM2, click the white box on the left hand screen and type:
/home/user/.dosbox

A file called dosbox-0.73.conf should appear in the box below
nope, i dont see anything in the box below, and im still in home/user?
and there is no file in home/user called .dosbox?
think ive been trying to do this for about 6 hours now:confused:

EDIT: the dos box app needs to be started and closed for the .dosbox folder to be seen, for me anyway

CarstenDutch
2010-01-25, 23:21
nope, i dont see anything in the box below, and im still in home/user?
and there is no file in home/user called .dosbox?
think ive been trying to do this for about 6 hours now:confused:

sudo gainroot

ls .dosbox

there is configfile

leetut
2010-01-25, 23:28
so on to the next problem:
in dos box ive got:
dir home/user/MyDocs/dos doesnt exist
then loads of other crap then at the bottom it says
cannot open -1

Arctine
2010-01-25, 23:31
so on to the next problem:
in dos box ive got:
dir home/user/MyDocs/dos doesnt exist
then loads of other crap then at the bottom it says
cannot open -1

Do you have msn?

Edit: just looks like you haven't got the / before home.

And -l isn't a one, it's an L

leetut
2010-01-25, 23:38
Must be,

mount c /home/user/MyDocs/dos
c:
imgmount e c:\95\w95.img -t hdd -fs fat
boot -l c

is that a '1' or a 'i' or a 'I' at the end?
either way ive tried them all and its still not working,

leetut
2010-01-25, 23:40
Do you have msn?

Edit: just looks like you haven't got the / before home.

And -l isn't a one, it's an L

i never tried 'L'
i was thinking the problem could be there tho!

Arctine
2010-01-25, 23:41
is that a '1' or a 'i' or a 'I' at the end?
either way ive tried them all and its still not working,

See my above post. If it's not working it'll be because you've accidentally mistyped something. Make sure w95.img is in /home/user/MyDocs/dos/95/

It is actually just a regular l, not an L. Casing doesn't matter in Dos though.

leetut
2010-01-25, 23:43
i do have the / in front of home,
ive now tried -L and -l
but it still wont work

Arctine
2010-01-25, 23:44
i do have the / in front of home,
ive now tried -L and -l
but it still wont work

Have a look in file manager and check that win95.img is in n900/dos/95

leetut
2010-01-25, 23:50
ive checked over and over again incase ive mistyped something,
and the img is in the correct location, obviously im doing something wrong tho,

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8110/screenshot00.png (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/screenshot00.png/)

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8833/screenshot01l.png (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/screenshot01l.png/)

leetut
2010-01-25, 23:52
w95.img is in n900/dos/95/

Arctine
2010-01-25, 23:52
ive checked over and over again incase ive mistyped something,
and the img is in the correct location, obviously im doing something wrong tho,

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8110/screenshot00.png (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/screenshot00.png/)

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8833/screenshot01l.png (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/screenshot01l.png/)


lol

Remove the capital U in /user/ ;)

CarstenDutch
2010-01-25, 23:57
If it works for him, won't see him for a while lol those capital letters

Arctine
2010-01-25, 23:59
Nah, nothing to be embarrassed about, it's honest/easy mistake to make. God knows we've all been there before.

leetut
2010-01-26, 00:05
god damn n00bs always missing those capital letters!
lol cheers guys

bull81
2010-01-26, 00:36
I workes...althou almost unusable with the mouse calibration. But concept has been proven!
Good job!

Next step: Windows 7
:D

pagesix1536
2010-01-26, 01:32
holy schnikeys, I just got this to work. Great instructions. Thanks!

Addison
2010-01-26, 02:21
You know, this was done a long time ago by another user here so it's nothing really new.

For better mouse control, try tapping no more than an inch or so away from the cursor at a time and basically crawl it to where you want to go.

Though to be quite honest, if you map out up, down, left and right with an Enter key along with a Xmodmap left and right click hack, there's not much need for a mouse.

Overall, it's still not very practical to use this unless you're being nostalgic for some demented reason. :)

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1514/screenshot2010012521034.png

Arctine
2010-01-26, 11:55
No doubt people probably have got 95 running before me, it's not difficult. I only made this thread cus a few people asked me to show them how they can get 95 running on their n900.

Thanks for the mouse tips. :)

JeanMarc
2010-01-26, 14:30
Can be possible to run backtrack using dosbox ?

Thanks

*Sonic*
2010-01-26, 18:40
HOw do actually close it down once its running

I couldnt close it down last night and had to leave it running (although minimised) been running most of the day too in the background battery nearly used up now LOL

The End Current Task option didnt work and in the end had to reboot the phone

pedram_noei_a
2010-01-26, 20:41
one press power then close it

NotTheMessiah
2010-01-26, 20:43
Can be possible to run backtrack using dosbox ?

Thanks
i doubt this is possible. ive tried once before and there doesnt seem to be a way to get linux to run in dosbox. most likely down to dosbox being heavily geared towards dos, and linux however, well isnt basically. if you want a full linux distro on the n900 have a look for easy debian lxde. its very good, runs reasonabley quickly and a real plus is the mouse tracks properly. im using it right now to post this!

AndrewG
2010-01-26, 21:54
Grr... I "obtained" w95.img buttt now im stuck between a rocka nd a hard place because its in a .rar and im not @ a pc loll

yorg
2010-01-26, 22:19
how do you right-click? :o

Arctine
2010-01-26, 22:26
how do you right-click? :o

See Addison's post above ;)

yorg
2010-01-26, 22:40
i tried and tried the small Xmodmap guide i have found in these forums but i couldn't make it work

i need more dumbed down instructions :o

Arctine
2010-01-27, 00:25
i tried and tried the small Xmodmap guide i have found in these forums but i couldn't make it work

i need more dumbed down instructions :o

I might make a guide if i get time.

JeanMarc
2010-01-27, 13:57
Hi, wich are the program that can run under win95/n900 ? Samebody have tested Office or Openoffice ?

Thanks

AndrewG
2010-01-27, 21:45
Is it possible to install a .exe onto the emulation?

MisterSorin
2010-01-27, 22:46
Hi, how do I have to configure my dosbox to run win95 and win3.11 and other dos apps smoothly ? :confused:

ArnimS
2010-01-28, 05:42
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/27887

It is a windows 98 emulator in flash!

Boots way faster than dosbox!

mrebanza
2010-01-28, 06:12
Windows NT 4.0 running on Nokia N900

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUA78P7gGCQ&NR=1

mrebanza
2010-01-28, 06:19
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/27887

It is a windows 98 emulator in flash!

Boots way faster than dosbox!

OMG THAT MUST BE OLD AS HELL IE6 LINKS TO


http://catslayer.cjb.net/


a http://username.cjb.net I just had a flash back!?!?!?

mrebanza
2010-01-28, 06:20
does anybody remember that service .cjb.net/???????

tousisd
2010-01-28, 11:29
I have been testing a lot with the win3.1 and the mouse and my changes on settings are:
autolock=false (to can close dosbox when it stucks)
sensitivity=107 (works perfect when first you drag your mouse on upper-left corner of the window! not of the maemo os!)
windowresolution=760x420 (i know 800x420 is the best but if you want more normal mouse you low the resolution for the limits of the window
core=normal( auto tries to dynamic so as i have seen the windows are more slower than normal)
fulldouble=true (loads more faster but you maybe see the lag of the picture)
frameskip=1 (i think its more normal than 3, also 3 loads more faster ! but i think that will be pain on the controlling of the mouse cursor)

Also in the Win3.1 go to control panel -> mouse->
and set the sensitivity to lowest!

tousisd
2010-01-28, 15:33
can anyone help us with the mapper? we need numbers, chars support.. can we double initialize the function key with "alt" and "NumLock" ?

soravhoney
2010-01-28, 16:00
if i install window 95 on n900, then will I be able to open *.exe extension files for installantion on n900 and access them?

Flandry
2010-01-28, 16:11
if i install window 95 on n900, then will I be able to open *.exe extension files for installantion on n900 and access them?

Short answer: no.

Cobra
2010-01-28, 18:15
i cant get it to run i fullscreen. dosbox starts in fullscreen but when it starts win95 it crashs dosbox.


edit: it also crashs on other programs. but only when fullscreen is enabled

giacay
2010-02-05, 07:45
it run so slowly

Unhuman
2010-02-12, 09:59
EDIT: After a phone reboot it no longer loads so slowly.. fixed sry :D

zehjotkah
2010-02-13, 23:10
okay, I've now win95 running.
it is possible to install a program in win95?
I tried, but I can't see the file in win95.
I can mount the folder containing the program in dosbox, but it's not viewable in win95...
starting thre program directly from dosbox does not work (can't start in dos modus or something similar...) but I know, that the program runs on windows 95...
How do I install programs in win95?

Thanks!

Crogge
2010-02-14, 00:26
What I saw so far is a 486SX like speed which isn't really usable. Is there any X86 OS which runs acceptable on DOSBox except DOS versions? Someone know if 3.11 runs at a decent speed for example?

6sicSIX
2010-02-15, 14:43
Hey, zehjotkah
I don't know about running the program from a mounted folder, i could never figure it out.. but the way i used to do it on my n95 8GB was to add the files you want into the .img file using winimage

Killian

lowang35
2010-02-15, 14:55
Hey, zehjotkah
I don't know about running the program from a mounted folder, i could never figure it out.. but the way i used to do it on my n95 8GB was to add the files you want into the .img file using winimage

Killian

If it works... I love you :P... Trying it now :)

PCJ
2010-02-23, 12:55
Apologies if this is a bit of a dumb question but I have NEVER used linux before and have been reading up a lot about it due to getting an N900 but I need some help. I have managed to install emelFM2 but I am now stuck on installing dosbox. I would really appreciate hints/tips or even a step-by-step walkthrough to help me install it.

omeriko9
2010-02-23, 13:10
Apologies if this is a bit of a dumb question but I have NEVER used linux before and have been reading up a lot about it due to getting an N900 but I need some help. I have managed to install emelFM2 but I am now stuck on installing dosbox. I would really appreciate hints/tips or even a step-by-step walkthrough to help me install it.

Please elaborate on why you couldn't install dosbox?

basically you should do this:
- Enable extras-devel (instructions here (http://thenokiablog.com/2009/10/27/maemo-extras-nokia-n900-applications/), read the warning)
- Then Dosbox should be in the application list (under 'games' if I'm not mistaken)

PCJ
2010-02-23, 18:47
So close yet so far.....

"could not extract drive geometry from image"

Any clues as to what thats all about?

PCJ
2010-02-23, 19:31
Sorted that, now its unable to boot from image :(

murali
2010-03-05, 19:01
i got the dosbox working but wher can i get the w95.img file? thanks in advance

dawchiks
2010-03-07, 07:17
hi all, i downloaded windows 98 iso, converted it to .img with UltraISO, did everything like 1st post said, but I get an error when running DosBox - "Could not extract drive geometry from image". Does any1 know how to fix this?
P.S when converted .iso to .img another file was created - *.sub file.

yassaaaf
2010-03-07, 10:27
Hi

I use trading platform which support only windows mobile, any idea if i can install Windows mobil on my n900, i read posts about installing windows 95 on the n900 but they say its useless as it take ages to run, any help would be very appreciated.

thanks
Yousef

bockersjv
2010-03-07, 10:32
Buy a windows mobile device!! WM is an absolute pos.

yassaaaf
2010-03-07, 10:42
well thanks for ur replay but wat i am asking for, is there any app or anything that would allow me to install my trading platform on n900, so i can carry only 1 mobile not 2,,, as n900 is the only mobile i switched to from the iphone,
thanks again

dawchiks
2010-03-07, 13:20
finally got it working with uber small windows image which i DL'ed somewhere. it's only 30 MB.

I've got only 1 question - how to add additional files there? I want to put ElastoMania in there(it's a cool game), doesnt require mouse to play. where do i put it?
Any1 can suggest with what to convert ISO to IMG?

zehjotkah
2010-03-12, 08:27
finally got it working with uber small windows image which i DL'ed somewhere. it's only 30 MB.

I've got only 1 question - how to add additional files there? I want to put ElastoMania in there(it's a cool game), doesnt require mouse to play. where do i put it?
Any1 can suggest with what to convert ISO to IMG?

Hey, zehjotkah
I don't know about running the program from a mounted folder, i could never figure it out.. but the way i used to do it on my n95 8GB was to add the files you want into the .img file using winimage

Killian

.....................

lucas777
2010-03-13, 11:37
Question how do i full screen Dos box cheers, win w95 runs i dont get a start bar need full screen i think...

Never mind re read OP post

leoyanez
2010-03-18, 18:32
please, can you send me the win95 img. thanks a lot.

Brugal
2010-03-26, 08:37
Hi, i have created an win95.img from my orginal cd but it didnīt work...can somebody help me to fix this problem ;)

friend_shaiju
2010-04-01, 14:46
Hey, please when i am trying to run dosbox after all configuration it shows "To mount directories, use the MOINT command, not the IMGMOUNT command." and "unable to boot off of drive C" :confused:


Please help me to solve the issue/.

Thanks in advance. :)
Shaiju

ravishabc
2010-07-23, 08:39
i have been trying to install windows 95 on my device with the image i created from the win 95 disc i had but everytime i try to mount the image i get some error about specifying the files geometry etc
can you send me a w95.img file that would work please? or tell me from where i can download one?
thanks in advance

ndi
2010-08-16, 17:25
Hi, i have created an win95.img from my orginal cd but it didnīt work...can somebody help me to fix this problem ;)

Original Windows CD is an install kit. You need a live CD.

i have been trying to install windows 95 on my device with the image i created from the win 95 disc i had but everytime i try to mount the image i get some error about specifying the files geometry etc
can you send me a w95.img file that would work please? or tell me from where i can download one?
thanks in advance

The original post contains hints. Google it. I found it om my first try.

Hey, please when i am trying to run dosbox after all configuration it shows "To mount directories, use the MOINT command, not the IMGMOUNT command." and "unable to boot off of drive C" :confused:


Please help me to solve the issue/.

Thanks in advance. :)
Shaiju


Please don't approximate error message, it matters. Write them down and post exact error messages. My guess is you missed upper-lower case or a space in the first lines.

kingoddball
2010-08-17, 00:08
Is this FAST ENOUGH to play FALLOUT and FALLOUT2? DosBox can't....

Dumb question... But I love fallout!

F2thaK
2010-08-17, 00:12
WHY?????????? W95 is how old??? XD

kingoddball
2010-08-17, 00:45
I agree with f2tank, UNLESS I can play fallout!
Win95 is dead and old, useless.... BuT! Fallout!

ndi
2010-08-17, 15:23
WHY?????????? W95 is how old??? XD

Easy. It's so simple it's unstable. It's a straight up tall order to boot up W95 on a new machine, it took me days and I rate a guru. But. Did you ever see it go? It's designed for 100 MHz, minimum of 16 MHz.

"Official system requirements were an Intel 80386 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386) DX CPU of any speed, 4 MB of system RAM, and 120 MB of hard drive space".

Do you know how this runs on a 4 GHz? You can't see the menus pop. You click on Notepad and for a second there it seemed like it opened before you clicked it.

Oh, and, mine crashed 5 minutes in. It really is W95.

We could have W2K in theory, which is stable - but it starts to drag if under 128M RAM, which we don't really have. Also, needs some 300 MHz to run and that's a problem if emulated.

Besides, I like having ISA support. Makes me warm and fuzzy inside. ;)

6sicSIX
2010-08-17, 16:11
Is wimdows 2000 dos based? I tried to find the answer lots of times but had no luck. I never got it booting on dosbox and gave up, and bochs is way too slow....

Scottlfa
2010-08-17, 16:21
Is wimdows 2000 dos based? I tried to find the answer lots of times but had no luck. I never got it booting on dosbox and gave up, and bochs is way too slow....

No its NT5, kernel and core are not dos compatible. it has virtual msdos within the loaded gui through command shell.

6sicSIX
2010-08-17, 17:57
Oh okay, what was the guy above talking about then? Not dosbox I assume

ndi
2010-08-18, 16:41
Oh okay, what was the guy above talking about then? Not dosbox I assume

Windows 95, 98 and ME are "home" OSs, are DOS-based (ME is a bit of a mashup) and load from DOS, run and can be returned to DOS on exit. They can be run on DOSBox in theory (apparently in practice, too).

Windows NT is the "pro" line of OSs. NT4, Windows 2000 (NT5), XP (NT 5.1), Vista (NT6) and 7 (should be 7, hence the name, but a marketing decision made it 6.1). These probably won't run under DOSBox.

The guy above (assuming that's me) said that we could have it, in theory (via -say- a VM or QEMU or something) but even if we could have a stable MS OS, it would drag its feet due to requirements. So, no.

dineshmsc2
2010-08-30, 19:53
hi Arctine
i confi. all step as per your instruction but when i open dosbox i got one errors
C:\>boot -i c
opening image file: -i
Bootdiskfile does not exist. Failing.
Cannot open-i

i got above errors instead of starting windows 95'
please help me brother i am very creasy to run windows on my n900
please mail me how to solve my errors.
thanks on advanced..............................:confused:

rAXv2
2010-09-15, 10:11
same here :S
i gave my best but no use the image i have r not working on pc too or i am doing it wrong

ndi
2010-09-15, 22:38
Then perhaps you should read carefully.

That's boot -l c not boot -i c.

Try a copy-paste job if unsure, missing just the right space or the right letter could mean reflash.

AMLJ
2010-09-15, 22:41
ARGH!
Windows sucks!

Why'd you run M$ W$ on a phone which comes with a Debian-based distro by default??
You can install Easy Debian if you miss a desktop environment!

theonelaw
2010-09-15, 23:05
Wonder if we can run MapleStory on this...
... could this even get any more bizarre...

ndi
2010-09-15, 23:28
ARGH!
Windows sucks!


How would you like that reply to one of your questions?

rAXv2
2010-09-17, 07:47
@ ndi
thx dude its working now
now i need key mapping

shardul
2011-01-01, 14:20
when i go to /home/user there is no folder or file of dos plz help

ndi
2011-01-05, 11:26
when i go to /home/user there is no folder or file of dos plz help

Follow instructions carefully:

cd /home/user/MyDocs/
mkdir dos
cd dos

Line 2 creates the folder, line 3 changes to it.

jerryfreak
2011-01-05, 11:42
other than proof of concept is there any actual use for such a port?

xxxxts
2011-02-15, 13:54
I just put;

imgmount e c:\95\w95.img -t hdd -fs fat
boot -l c

in a .bat file called win95.bat, that way I can enter DOSBox and if I want to boot Windows 95 I can do it that way.

govprog
2011-02-15, 14:17
Easy. It's so simple it's unstable. It's a straight up tall order to boot up W95 on a new machine, it took me days and I rate a guru. But. Did you ever see it go? It's designed for 100 MHz, minimum of 16 MHz.

"Official system requirements were an Intel 80386 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386) DX CPU of any speed, 4 MB of system RAM, and 120 MB of hard drive space".

Do you know how this runs on a 4 GHz? You can't see the menus pop. You click on Notepad and for a second there it seemed like it opened before you clicked it.

How could you do that? My computer even rejects windows 2000:confused:
EDIT: Do you have a dual core PC or a single core one?

ndi
2011-02-15, 21:42
How could you do that? My computer even rejects windows 2000:confused:
EDIT: Do you have a dual core PC or a single core one?

You can get it working on multicore but it won't use them IIRC. It can use more RAM but installer fails over 750M. Installer fails if a leaf rustles so I had to do an in-place install, which is kind of like copying an installation in a manual partition, them making it bootable manually. Installer failed. Also, you need to manually load the hives of the registry in another OS and operate some changes, like limiting RAM, lowering CPU cores (was that 95 or NT? Anyway, most good boards allow single core mode in BIOS).

Really, you had issues with W2K? I had W2K installed on my quad core @ 4GHz (I'm a bit of a maniac). I only gave it up because I was starting to have minor bugs with drivers - people fixed drivers called 2k/XP drivers but only tested them for XP. And, when 7 was out, away I went, no regrets.

Ok, maybe ONE GAME doesn't work as it should.

EL_CID_CAMPEADOR
2011-02-24, 18:10
PROBLEMS HERE!!!


when i try to put the last line of code


mv w95.img /home/user/MyDocs/dos/95


all times X-Terminal tell me NO SUCH FILE IN DIRECTORY


Whats Happenzs!!!!

Addison
2011-02-25, 00:43
Oh noez!!!!!!!

Captwheeto
2011-02-25, 17:00
Type 'ls' and check if it's in your current directory?

electroaudio
2011-02-26, 11:55
Ah, ok, so you still have the "crazy mouse" problem. That's always been the blocker before. Without a fix for "crazy mouse" this is just a curiosity.

Looking at the crazy mouse in windows it seems like there is a mismatch between what type of data the mousedriver in N900 sends and what type dosbox is expecting.
N900 probably sends screenpositions while dosbox interprets them as mouseticks.

-I think this should be very easy to fix by the dosbox mantainers, just convert the screenpositions to mousemovements.

I think that the absolute easiest way to do it would be to set up two variables for X-old and Y-old and then subtract the new X and Y from N900 with the old values, giving the mouse-ticks that Dosbox wants as a result. and then store the new X and Y as old X and Y to the next mouseread.

anapospastos
2011-05-03, 17:45
Any fix for the mouse?

A.J.
2011-05-04, 11:32
seems to work fine but when i boot windows 95 it gives me a display error:eek: and it says:

there is a problem with your display settings. The adapter type is incorrect, or the current settings do not work with your hardware

plz help:confused:

Alfred
2011-05-04, 11:37
Actually win95 runs one of my fav games. How can i install it here? I have a CD or i think i can download an image or *.exe installing file.

A.J.
2011-05-04, 18:27
my windows 95 will boot but when i play minesweeper its getting stuck :S
what to do??
plz help
Thx 4 Reply's

Estel
2011-06-19, 03:11
AFAIK last release of maemo dosbox contain fix for mouse, but need to be enabled separately - You need to download special tablet-mouse driver, then enable it in windows .ini file. then, mouse works like a charm on 3.1 or 95 :) Check dosbox thread for more details.

nicholes
2011-10-24, 07:19
So close yet so far.....

"could not extract drive geometry from image"

Any clues as to what thats all about?

i had the same problem actually your and my w95img file is not compitable, download other w95.img file that should work!!

but after getting a (203mb) w95.img file it is damm slow even after 5 min i still did not boot into windows can you confirm what is the size of your .img file plz???

Bernard
2011-10-24, 18:51
It takes a lot of work to get Windows 9x working on DOSBox from scratch.

The "could not extract geometry" error is most likely because the setting for the hard-drive image in the dosbox.conf file are not correct.

The DOSBox harddrive emulation has a fixed maximum amount of cylinders. As a result normal hardrive images can only be 512MB maximum. People that use bigger images use a hack by increasing the sector size. This gives them 2GB images, that is the maximum.
Also DOSBox only supports raw images, as far as I know (so 203MB for the uncompressed image would be incorrect, and indicate a corrupt or incompatible image).

A lot of good (but sadly sometimes slightly outdated) information on dosbox can be found in the vogons forum, including Windows9x guides:

http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewforum.php?f=39

danco72
2011-10-27, 07:57
the same problem. i cannot run w95 on my n900, because it says

could not extract drive geometry from image.
Use parameter -size bps, spc, hpc, cyl to specify the geometry

C:\>boot -l c
Unable to boot off drive C

I have an 100MB img file.

how can i modify the autoexec?

nicholes
2011-10-27, 13:10
the same problem. i cannot run w95 on my n900, because it says

could not extract drive geometry from image.
Use parameter -size bps, spc, hpc, cyl to specify the geometry

C:\>boot -l c
Unable to boot off drive C

I have an 100MB img file.

how can i modify the autoexec?
i had the same problem with 100mb img file so i got another one which is 203 mb img file and it goes through that problem, but it did not start windows and stuk on windows starting page

danco72
2011-10-27, 14:05
i added in imgmount command, after -fs fat , the size parameter, like this: -size 512,63,64,1023
now, the mounting works fine, but i'm stuck at "Booting from drive C...".. and nothing more happening

nicholes
2011-10-27, 14:08
i added in imgmount command, after -fs fat , the size parameter, like this: -size 512,63,64,1023
now, the mounting works fine, but i'm stuck at "Booting from drive C...".. and nothing more happening

i think you should try to download another img file

danco72
2011-10-27, 14:54
thanks for quick answer, but still no luck ....i used another img, this time approx. 240 MB, but the same problem.. it keep sayng "Booting from drive C...." and under a blinking dos cursor..and the nothing.. could be a problem caused by the free space on my device?
where do i have to have free space from w95?

In RootFS, (/)
in home, (/home)
or in MyDocs ?

seanmcken
2012-06-29, 10:19
mouse problem is solved?????????

Atlas
2015-03-19, 22:57
same question