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Chrome
2010-05-26, 16:51
Peter Schneider

We keep on pumping out software. Yesterday PR1.2, today MeeGo 1.0 OS core for #N900. http://meego.com/

gerrymoth
2010-05-26, 16:55
Any simple instructions on how to install MeeGo on the N900?

Will test out the Live CD later tonight me thinks :)

Heman1310
2010-05-26, 16:56
So is it possible to dual boot to MeeGo and Maemo?

Chrome
2010-05-26, 16:57
After a bit of reading, It's Xfce desktop environment that can be flashed into N900, It's not the Handheld MeeGo OS afaik.

kojacker
2010-05-26, 16:58
Are you sure that's for the n900? Looks like a notebook release. In any case I dont think it has the mobile UX :confused:

Edit: ^^ ah ok

Peter@Maemo Marketing
2010-05-26, 16:59
So is it possible to dual boot to MeeGo and Maemo?

Let's remember that this the MeeGo 1.0 OS core that is code complete booting up to command line. The MeeGo Handset UX will be released in MeeGo 1.1 in Q4 2010. Development for MeeGo 1.1 Handset UX will start next month with unstable releases.

jackie_jagger
2010-05-26, 16:59
I'd love to see few screenshots as well and a easy to understand instructions on how to dual boot it on n900 while its loaded on a MicroSD card !!

Cheers

PS: You beat me to posting the news :P

Stskeeps
2010-05-26, 16:59
Give us some time and we'll get you good instructions. We have provided a open image and will soon provide a image with closed source blobs (battery charging, 3d acceleration, bluetooth firmware and wifi firmware).

Keep in mind that this does not come with a UX (again) Handset UX is coming out sometime after 1.0 release, so it's just your old fashioned X-terminal. But a 3d accelerated X! ;)

jackie_jagger
2010-05-26, 17:01
Let's remember that this the MeeGo 1.0 OS core that is code complete booting up to command line. The MeeGo Handset UX will be released in MeeGo 1.1 in Q4 2010. Development for MeeGo 1.1 Handset UX will start next month with unstable releases.

Oh Well that explains it all !!

Thanks for the info !! Cheers

smurfy
2010-05-26, 17:01
its only the core system, not the userinterface, for that we must wait for june.

the first version is only for atom based netbooks, with working userinterface.

AtteK0
2010-05-26, 17:01
Let's remember that this the MeeGo 1.0 OS core that is code complete booting up to command line. The MeeGo Handset UX will be released in MeeGo 1.1 in Q4 2010. Development for MeeGo 1.1 Handset UX will start next month with unstable releases.
Which means the OS for N900 looks a bit like this at the moment...http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/blogitems/pics/screenshot_n900_qemu.jpg

Chrome
2010-05-26, 17:18
I expected the handheld OS would be out this month, oh well...

resplendent2209
2010-05-26, 17:22
In october we can expect a nice UX.

quipper8
2010-05-26, 17:27
OP, given the confusion recently over this, please delete your screenshot in the original post...please

slaapliedje
2010-05-26, 17:30
Give us some time and we'll get you good instructions. We have provided a open image and will soon provide a image with closed source blobs (battery charging, 3d acceleration, bluetooth firmware and wifi firmware).

Keep in mind that this does not come with a UX (again) Handset UX is coming out sometime after 1.0 release, so it's just your old fashioned X-terminal. But a 3d accelerated X! ;)

So out of curiosity, will the Clutter lib created for MeeGo utilize the 3D acceleration? Well, assuming clutter is on there, given MeeGo is supposed to be more Qt centric.

I recall reading changelogs for Aisleriot and gnome-games that said that the Maemo 5 version of Aisleriot was not going to be compiled with Clutter support, since the version of Clutter for it did not have 3D acceleration.

Still wondering why I haven't seen aisleriot in the repositories for Maemo5, but that's for another topic...

slaapliedje

Chrome
2010-05-26, 17:42
OP, given the confusion recently over this, please delete your screenshot in the original post...please

You're right, removed it :)

sevla
2010-05-26, 17:46
This release is for Netbook's (GUI wise). If you have a netbook theoretically you could dual boot meego and whatever "other" os you may have.

I tell you one thing, Meego looks very promising for tablets.

apache
2010-05-26, 17:56
Which means the OS for N900 looks a bit like this at the moment...http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/blogitems/pics/screenshot_n900_qemu.jpg


Where did u get this image ? plz link me to the video :)

acvetkov
2010-05-26, 18:00
Keep in mind that this does not come with a UX (again) Handset UX is coming out sometime after 1.0 release, so it's just your old fashioned X-terminal. But a 3d accelerated X! ;)

A 3D accelerated terminal is a must!!! :D:D:D

mikec
2010-05-26, 18:02
No need to just have the Meego UX, community can start to build its own :D

bob68
2010-05-26, 18:06
Probably be quicker if PR1.2 is anything to go by...

mikec
2010-05-26, 18:09
Dam

I'm going to have to go and buy an atom netbook just to play with this :p

giannoug
2010-05-26, 18:27
I hope someone gets XFCE on this :(

Stskeeps
2010-05-26, 18:43
I hope someone gets XFCE on this :(

It is possible to install XFCE4, we just didn't include it in this image as xfce4 wasn't built for ARM at the point we were finishing up. It is now.

thp
2010-05-26, 18:45
A 3D accelerated terminal is a must!!! :D:D:D

3D accelerated Terminal? It's a Unix system! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUlAQZB9Ng)

mikec
2010-05-26, 18:54
It is possible to install XFCE4, we just didn't include it in this image as xfce4 wasn't built for ARM at the point we were finishing up. It is now.

Have we got an accelerated X ?
That plus xfce would give us back a proper handheld computer, none of this finger scrollerble clag :D
I can then attach a bluetooth mouse and key board :D

giannoug
2010-05-26, 18:55
Have we got an accelerated X ?
That plus xfce would give us back a proper handheld computer, none of this finger scrollerble clag :D
I can then attach a bluetooth mouse and key board :D

I think Beryl will also be possible :D

mikec
2010-05-26, 18:59
The more I think about this the more interesting.
Beryl, MythTV, Open Office, Modern kernel, Rose Garden, GIMP, Its like Easy Debian, but easier if you know what I mean ;)

Hossie
2010-05-26, 19:20
Dam

I'm going to have to go and buy an atom netbook just to play with this :p

Just use qemu, it can emulate an ARM processor.

Ayle
2010-05-26, 19:35
And you are really hoping to accomplish that with only 256mb of ram?

ear0wax
2010-05-26, 19:51
And you are really hoping to accomplish that with only 256mb of ram?

and plenty of swap. Easy Debian runs all that with the overhead over meamo 5, Im sure it can handle it.

mikec
2010-05-26, 19:55
and plenty of swap. Easy Debian runs all that with the overhead over meamo 5, Im sure it can handle it.

Its BTRFS as well
https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page :D

maddler
2010-05-26, 20:12
right, away from being "usable" for anything but development.

mardy
2010-05-26, 20:23
I recall reading changelogs for Aisleriot and gnome-games that said that the Maemo 5 version of Aisleriot was not going to be compiled with Clutter support, since the version of Clutter for it did not have 3D acceleration.

Can you be more specific? Clutter libraries in maemo5 definitely have 3D acceleration support.

Scharel
2010-05-26, 20:36
I'm actually trying to install it under VirtualBox...

me2000
2010-05-26, 20:57
October ? Are you kidding me ? Why can't Nokia give us this sort of timeline upfront ? :trudges off to buy an iPhone:

x61
2010-05-26, 21:24
Let's remember that this the MeeGo 1.0 OS core that is code complete booting up to command line. The MeeGo Handset UX will be released in MeeGo 1.1 in Q4 2010. Development for MeeGo 1.1 Handset UX will start next month with unstable releases.

omg peter. the messiah, is here.

me2000
2010-05-27, 00:08
I still can't believe that we aren't going to see a stable Meego UI for the N900 until October.

Google is selling phones, Android is gaining market share, Apple is selling phones and is/has released an updated OS. And where is Nokia ? At least 6 months from its first release.

Do the words too little, too late mean anything to Nokia ? The company trailing the rest of the industry does not have the luxury of waiting 6 months to release something competitive, let alone non earth shattering.

I've got a sneaking suspicion that Nokia is one of those companies that is terrible at developing software.

fatalsaint
2010-05-27, 00:12
I still can't believe that we aren't going to see a stable Meego UI for the N900 until October.


I know right?... I totally can't believe they plan to completely build, design, and totally create a complete, stable, operating system in less than 6 months!

That's awesome!

lpotter
2010-05-27, 00:17
I still can't believe that we aren't going to see a stable Meego UI for the N900 until October.

Google is selling phones, Android is gaining market share, Apple is selling phones and is/has released an updated OS. And where is Nokia ? At least 6 months from its first release.

Do the words too little, too late mean anything to Nokia ? The company trailing the rest of the industry does not have the luxury of waiting 6 months to release something competitive, let alone non earth shattering.

I've got a sneaking suspicion that Nokia is one of those companies that is terrible at developing software.

Ya' know. Maybe, just maybe... it's takes time to develop and test software.. ya think?

Last time I checked Nokia still had 40% of the worldwide market. So, how is that trailing the rest of the industry?!?

me2000
2010-05-27, 00:17
This shouldn't be a "from scratch" effort.

First of all, the entire Linux contingent will form the foundation of what the OS. Its not like they are building the OS from scratch. And Intel and others have a hand in that development too.

As far as the UI goes, they should be able to leverage a lot of the Maemo stuff.

Why is this taking 6 months ?

me2000
2010-05-27, 00:18
It doesn't have 40% market share in smartphones.

lpotter
2010-05-27, 00:23
It doesn't have 40% market share in smartphones.


http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/5/21/smartphones-bloodbath-1q-2010-full-market-analysis.aspx

lucas777
2010-05-27, 00:25
WTF am i reading this right? didnt i read a few days ago that it was official that meego wasnt coming to the n900?

me2000
2010-05-27, 00:27
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/5/21/smartphones-bloodbath-1q-2010-full-market-analysis.aspx

"This time Nokia did not report N-Series and E-Series sales, but All About Symbian estimated those at about 4.3 million N-Series and 5.7 Million E-Series. That means half of Nokia's smartphones were of the low-cost type. "

Enough said.

fatalsaint
2010-05-27, 00:28
WTF am i reading this right? didnt i read a few days ago that it was official that meego wasnt coming to the n900?

You're mixing words.

MeeGo is not coming to the N900 officially. The N900 is, and remains, the ARM development platform for MeeGo. A development platform that doesn't work isn't exactly going to be very useful. So there will continue to be N900 releases for developers and no support for the N900. (Now, when I say for developers I just mean that they aren't going to focus too completely on a "perfect" user experience so much as a "working" one.. but that doesn't mean that it'll wind up crappy, or unusable, or even not ready for end users.. They just won't be releasing it as an official update.)

kaitech
2010-05-27, 00:34
If I understood Correctly,

Currently Meego 1.0 is available for the N900 BUT does not have a UI, I et that point, what I do not get is the difference of june and october? Too me the N900 is like a computer anyhows so WTF?
Would it be hard to get a UI for the N900 faster

Does the Core Release do everything it suppose to just with out a UI.... I am a little lost...........

Please redirect me

fatalsaint
2010-05-27, 00:40
If I understood Correctly,

Currently Meego 1.0 is available for the N900 BUT does not have a UI, I et that point, what I do not get is the difference of june and october? Too me the N900 is like a computer anyhows so WTF?
Would it be hard to get a UI for the N900 faster

Does the Core Release do everything it suppose to just with out a UI.... I am a little lost...........

Please redirect me

The UX for MeeGo on Handsets has not been released. In June they will start releasing alpha/beta/pre-release/testing/etc to the "open" in order to facilitate the "open" development. What that means is you'll be able to load the UX on your N900 in it's current state.. which, especially in June, is going to be very rudimentary - probably very buggy, and maybe even unusable for day-to-day operation. However, as time goes on, and their development matures, the UX will get more and more stable. In october they are planning (it appears) to have the first official MeeGo Handset UX stable release for MeeGo 1.1.

You can load MeeGo on the N900 today and load XFCE on it I believe... so that gives you MeeGo with a UI if you want MeeGo.. but XFCE is not in any way optimized for touch screens and will be quite clumsy.

linuxeventually
2010-05-27, 00:43
Originally Posted by mikec
I'm going to have to go and buy an atom netbook just to play with this

Posted by Hossie
Just use qemu, it can emulate an ARM processor.

That's a bit of misinformation.

The netbook version of Meego released today is for x86 atom processors.

Yes there is a ARM port of Meego in development, yes it will "run" on the N900 - for the explicit purpose of developing for OTHER platforms.

You'll need a fairly decently spec'd computer to run QEMU with ARM target in my experience, just FYI.

lucas777
2010-05-27, 00:53
So can someone that knows whats going on break this down im dumb terms for peple that dont know much about what is going on. Specifically in point form. :)

Chrome
2010-05-27, 01:24
First look at MeeGo 1.0 for Notebooks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P5DHjSLj8s

kingoddball
2010-05-27, 01:34
So can someone that knows whats going on break this down im dumb terms for peple that dont know much about what is going on. Specifically in point form. :)

This build is command line only.
Nothing graphical.

N900 WILL NOT get an official build of Megoo.

Nokia will release developer editions which are not designed for end users.

Maybe one day they might release (or a dev) a hacker edition of Megoo. Like they did with older OS's for previous hardware releases.

Like 770 got the newer firmware in form of a Hacker edition and so it other hardware.

lpotter
2010-05-27, 03:34
"This time Nokia did not report N-Series and E-Series sales, but All About Symbian estimated those at about 4.3 million N-Series and 5.7 Million E-Series. That means half of Nokia's smartphones were of the low-cost type. "

Enough said.

eh?

"grew smartphone sales 3% from the excellent Christmas quarter and sold 21.5 million smartphones. "

They are talking about only smartphones.
Even so, half of 21 million is still more than the nearest competitor, RIM.


http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/04/22/nokia-posts-q1-2010-results-and-no-symbian3-and-symbian4-are-not-delayed/

"107.8 million Nokia phones were sold in Q1 2010 (33% global market share) "


So, in Q1 2010 Nokia sold 107.8 million phones, of which 21 million were smartphones.

Laughing_Man
2010-05-27, 03:51
First look at MeeGo 1.0 for Notebooks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P5DHjSLj8s

I like it. That UI looks finger-friendly enough for a tablet.

I can totally see a cheap tablet (atom processor, 1/2gb ram, 4/8gb ssd, sd cards, usb, etc) with this.

eikido
2010-05-27, 08:21
i don't understand, if the n900 is a reference platform for developing meego, how difficult can it be for the community to "port" it to the n900.

And could someone explain how we would call it "port" since it is developed for the n900?

nosa101
2010-05-27, 08:27
i don't understand, if the n900 is a reference platform for developing meego, how difficult can it be for the community to "port" it to the n900.
That's why we have these threads
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53571http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53571
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53551


And could someone explain how we would call it "port" since it is developed for the n900?

The official MeeGo is geared towards capacitive touch devices and that is why Nokia isn't pushing an "official" release. But since the n900 is a reference platform, getting a version shouldn't be too hard. You should read the above threads. Stskeeps and qgil explain it pretty well.

Andy214
2010-05-27, 08:47
Peter Schneider

We keep on pumping out software. Yesterday PR1.2, today MeeGo 1.0 OS core for #N900. http://meego.com/

Better stop pumping out software, better concentrate on fixing and refinements on N900 Maemo. There's still so much to improve on the N900...

tissot
2010-05-27, 09:22
Doesn't Intels MeeGo(moblin) have it's own smartphone UX? Like we saw from the Intels videos and that's what N900 is getting, not Harmattan/MeeGo?

nosa101
2010-05-27, 09:24
Doesn't Intels MeeGo(moblin) have it's own smartphone UX? Like we saw from the Intels videos and that's what N900 is getting, not Harmattan/MeeGo?

I think we are getting MeeGo-Harmattan or something of that sort. Qgil or Stskeeps explained this in the other thread.


EDIT:



No, the thread is about bringing the MeeGo instance contained in Harmattan to N900. Ie, bring Harmattan to N900. Harmattan on N900.

My (personal) hope is that it is really a trivial port. Similar to how we ported Maemo5 to Beagleboard and Zoom2.. both OMAP3 devices with similar hardware.. But audience.. everyone moves on sometime.

This project is to bridge the gap till MeeGo (RPM based) is mature enough and has differentiation available and we can want to port that to N900. It isn't a new 'big project', it's similar to a mini project like Maemo on Beagle was. And best of all, it is a project to have the N900 not be left behind. And a realistic one of the sort.

It's been a failure if we don't have something working properly on N900 by Harmattan release (or whatever comes right before).

Goal would be to make the hardware adaptation stand on it's own so it can be easily maintained and follow Harmattan releases with ease. Done just right, it would be a minimal set of patches towards Harmattan + some binaries to support N900.

Beginnings would be patching against what is being released in the Harmattan alpha, beta releases. Building images with that, configurations, etc.

tissot
2010-05-27, 09:41
If it's true that we are supposed to get Harmattan to N900 then it shouldn't be any kind of surprise that it's coming late 2H to N900.

To be honest i thought N900 was getting Moblin phone UX. Is there any info of when that might be coming btw?

jsa
2010-05-27, 09:47
@tissot

Harri's team is working on bringing the Linux Foundation MeeGo on N900 and there's a separate but somewhat related community (with assistance from Nokia) project to port Nokia's Harmattan.

harrihakulinen
2010-05-27, 11:51
About MeeGo 1.0 Core release for N900

It does NOT include

- Mobile UI/UX (N900 will boot to Xterm)
- Reference Applications

It is intended for MeeGo developers for development purposes, and

- has practically NO value for end users
- has little value for MeeGo application developers.

Please do NOT install it if you don't know what you need it for.

For mor in formation, pls. see
http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900

Br,
//Harri

michalurban
2010-05-27, 13:15
What about the theory we could install xfce using meego xterm?

And another question - is meego installable on SD card?

Radicalz38
2010-05-27, 13:58
Perfect/fully working UI for meego isn't needed on n900.. What's very important is for the UI to be implemented enough to use the core OS of meego for it's phone functionality. Maemo's UI is good enough already and suit the n900's design. Remember what most users aim for meego is the OS's additional functionality which focus more on the device's telephony module like T9 keyboard, 3g video calling, portrait mode GUI & many more(I mean very2x many). You would know if you would read all the replies of members waiting for the official meego release or ask them what they aim at the meego platform. :rolleyes:

So a wild guess... Upon alpha release of the meego OS w/ initial UX on june. Probably most n900 users would prefer to dual boot it already just for the sake of the maemo 5's lack of features. That is if the alpha version would be enough to make the said features work at least slightly stable. :p

sadfist
2010-05-27, 14:38
I know right?... I totally can't believe they plan to completely build, design, and totally create a complete, stable, operating system in less than 6 months!

That's awesome!

As nice as this thought is, I can't see anything but a bunch of "it's a 1.0 OS" excuses. Maybe Nokia just learned that if you keep starting over you should start the version number over so those excuses work (even though in this case they still won't be good excuses). I cringe every time I hear them used for Maemo.

I wish Nokia (and their loyalists) would just man up and admit the stuff that isn't up to par (but should be at this point). I hope things change with MeeGo as I like a lot of what Maemo had to offer but I won't hold my breath.

nielsvg
2010-05-27, 14:41
http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/imagenormal/1274963361.pngeverybody says that it's only coding. Why does every site where the meego 1.0 story is mensioned they use this picture. So what is this? this isnt real or not available?

nosa101
2010-05-27, 14:41
http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/imagenormal/1274963361.pngeverybody says that it's only coding. Why does every site where the meego 1.0 story is mensioned they use this picture. So what is this? this isnt real or not available?

That's for netbooks

Irresponsible journalism, I guess.

Radicalz38
2010-05-27, 14:45
http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/imagenormal/1274963361.pngeverybody says that it's only coding. Why does every site where the meego 1.0 story is mensioned they use this picture. So what is this? this isnt real or not available?

That's for this one...
http://download3.meego.com/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img
Unfortunately that isn't for the mobile but for the netbook. To make it short the image file for the n900 is still just command line while the netbook version has the User Interface already which the picture represents.

smoku
2010-05-27, 14:52
So can someone that knows whats going on break this down im dumb terms for peple that dont know much about what is going on. Specifically in point form. :)

Like... everything?

http://www.students.tut.fi/~haapasa4/n900_meego.jpg

fatalsaint
2010-05-27, 15:44
As nice as this thought is, I can't see anything but a bunch of "it's a 1.0 OS" excuses. Maybe Nokia just learned that if you keep starting over you should start the version number over so those excuses work (even though in this case they still won't be good excuses). I cringe every time I hear them used for Maemo.


Look, I was all about this argument from Maemo4 -> Maemo5. I think that "restart" was silly, so while I was understanding of certain things lacking or software from M4 not working in M5 because the OS was a complete re-write.. I think a step 4/5 or whatever it was shouldn't have been a "complete rewrite" to begin with.

However, Nokia is not doing this again. They were already too far along in development of Maemo 6 to stop and start over. I think that's what people are ignoring here and getting confused.

MeeGo is a totally new, from the ground, base OS that is stealing parts from Moblin and Maemo. However, the next device from nokia will not be a MeeGo device; it will be a Harmattan (Maemo 6) device. It will just have (theoretically) complete MeeGo software compatibility built-in to the structure.

Nokia is not "starting" over and just calling something "1.0"... MeeGo really is a fresh start of a totally different project. The Harmattan device is not called "Maemo 1.0".. course.. what it actually is called right now *shrug*.. qgil mentioned calling it "MeeGo-Harmattan" since it's a bit of a hybrid for both.

MeeGo-Harmattan will still be Deb-based, for example: which is a dramatic difference from MeeGo's RPM-base core. I'd venture that "MeeGo-Harmattan" will actually be more Maemo, than MeeGo. But, of course, we really have no idea what it is right now as it's not in the open.

What most of you should be concerned about is not whether MeeGo will be on the N900.. but whether the next official OS from Nokia will be - and that's MeeGo-Harmattan (pending more formal naming)... and there is an entire thread about the possibilities or not of a full Community Edition of that for the N900.

MeeGo is an entirely separate beast, and should be treated as such. Unless, of course, we start getting bugfixes marked as "Fixed in MeeGo".

maemosboy
2010-05-27, 15:56
Perfect/fully working UI for meego isn't needed on n900.. What's very important is for the UI to be implemented enough to use the core OS of meego for it's phone functionality. Maemo's UI is good enough already and suit the n900's design. :p

So how you gonna get maemos ui working for meego:confused::confused:

Radicalz38
2010-05-27, 17:04
So how you gonna get maemos ui working for meego:confused::confused:

I didn't say we need to integrate it but instead to give the user an option whether to boot a device as a semi phone/mobile computer or as a full phone functionality. Like the trick of dual booting... If the user feels he needs the use of a mobile computer he/she just restarts n900 and boot to maemo. And if he/she thinks he needs some of the phone capabilities he/she just restarts and boots to an alpha release of meego with better phone support functions. "I hope" :p


And also... If maybe n900's desktop environment is open source maybe some people or maybe me can mod it to have full portrait auto rotational UI, and T9 keypad support for a start? :D

There are lot's of DE's on the wild but I can't mod it to support n900's phone capabilities since I don't have any idea yet how to. This is my first time encountering linux as a mobile phone so a reference for the existing DE would greatly help.

michalurban
2010-05-27, 20:10
Off topic - MeeGo for Atom works on my Asus EEE 1000H, the UI is interesting and not bad, but its generally slow ...

mfr
2010-05-27, 20:54
As of right now, MeeGo v1.0 for Netbooks and v1.0 for Nokia N900 are available for download, with the former supporting Atom-based machines and the latter supporting... well, we'll let you take a stab there. The API that's being released includes Qt 4.6, and while the current SDK is tailored for netbooks, the next version -- slated to hit devs in June -- will support "touch-based devices, such as handsets and tablets." We're also told that v1.1 will be outed in October, with the development tree already being open.

SOURCE: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/meego-1-0-for-netbooks-and-n900-now-available-to-download/

Crogge
2010-05-27, 21:15
Has someone tested it yet? I saw that the N900 MeeGo images are available at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/

wmarone
2010-05-27, 21:19
Again again again again, the N900 image available is -ONLY- a console. It provides the basic libraries and filesystem, and a rudimentary X session that only shows a console.

The one you might want to play with will come out sometime next month or so.

geohsia
2010-05-27, 23:40
Can someone help me understand...

MeeGo 1.0 for N900 here is just MeeGo-Harmattan core right?

MeeGo 1.0 for Netbook is the actual Maemo / Moblin MeeGo.

These aren't the same MeeGo's right? Or if they're the same, can someone help me understand, thanks.

fatalsaint
2010-05-27, 23:46
Can someone help me understand...

MeeGo 1.0 for N900 here is just MeeGo-Harmattan core right?

MeeGo 1.0 for Netbook is the actual Maemo / Moblin MeeGo.

These aren't the same MeeGo's right? Or if they're the same, can someone help me understand, thanks.

No. MeeGo 1.0 for N900 and Netbook are the same MeeGo. Right now the N900 version doesn't have a User Interface/Experience (UI/UX). That will come later.

There is a separate project in another thread on these forums to bring MeeGo-Harmattan to the N900 once there is something from MeeGo-Harmattan that can start being ported.

MeeGo 1.1 will likely have the same interface as MeeGo-Harmattan (and thus, most users are probably going to think they are the same thing) - but they aren't the same OS. MeeGo-Harmattan is actually a Maemo base with a MeeGo compatible API stack (primarily, a full UI in QT and QT 4.6 support) - whereas MeeGo is a completely new OS.

(this is my understanding, I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm mistaken.)

nilchak
2010-05-27, 23:55
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/5/21/smartphones-bloodbath-1q-2010-full-market-analysis.aspx

Sorry to be OT , but boy am I glad to see you lpotter ? Where have you been these so many days since your Zaurus forum managing days ?

Really a nice surpise to see you back in action now that QT is again front and center in Nokia's plans ...

Welcome.

geohsia
2010-05-28, 00:06
No. MeeGo 1.0 for N900 and Netbook are the same MeeGo. Right now the N900 version doesn't have a User Interface/Experience (UI/UX). That will come later.

I think I understand so you're saying MeeGo 1.0 for Netbooks has a UX layer but MeeGo 1.0 for N900 does not, and MeeGo-Harmattan is the UX layer (1.1) that will eventually go on terminal only MeeGo 1.0 for N900. And that the MeeGo core is the same in both instances.

wmarone
2010-05-28, 00:10
MeeGo-Harmattan is going to be the bastard child of MeeGo Handheld UX and the existing Maemo back-end, as I understand it. Personally it's horribly confusing, and I'd just as soon ignore it when talking about MeeGo, since it's not -part- of MeeGo.

The MeeGo Handheld UX coming later will go on top of the MeeGo core that currently has only a console.

fatalsaint
2010-05-28, 00:11
I think I understand so you're saying MeeGo 1.0 for Netbooks has a UX layer but MeeGo 1.0 for N900 does not, and MeeGo-Harmattan is the UX layer (1.1) that will eventually go on terminal only MeeGo 1.0 for N900. And that the MeeGo core is the same in both instances.

I believe so. As far as the MeeGo core is the same in the CLI only MeeGo 1.0 for N900 and the Netbook one.

The MeeGo core will not be in MeeGo-Harmattan.

The one thing I'm not 100% sure about is the UI/UX. MeeGo-Harmattan may have a different UI than MeeGo for N900.. it may be a Nokia-only one.

I do believe the MeeGo-Harmattan UI is already in the open at git.. but I haven't seen anything running or anyone working with it (as in screenshots or anything). The true MeeGo UX for the N900 will be released next month (June) for devs.. and hopes to be stable by MeeGo 1.1.

The only reason I say they may be similar is that both the MeeGo-Harmattan device is due around the same time the MeeGo 1.1 is supposed to be stable; so I was somewhat thinking the UI/UX's are going to be related somehow. Both, at the least, should be QT based.

geohsia
2010-05-28, 00:30
The MeeGo core will not be in MeeGo-Harmattan.

There will be 2 versions of MeeGo on the N900? MeeGo 1.0 and Meego / Harmattan?

The only reason I say they may be similar is that both the MeeGo-Harmattan device is due around the same time the MeeGo 1.1 is supposed to be stable; so I was somewhat thinking the UI/UX's are going to be related somehow. Both, at the least, should be QT based.

I thought they were the same. I didn't there were 2 versions of MeeGo that could run on the N900, or are you saying that MeeGo-Harmattan isn't going to run on the N900 in any scenario.

wmarone
2010-05-28, 00:34
]I thought they were the same. I didn't there were 2 versions of MeeGo that could run on the N900, or are you saying that MeeGo-Harmattan isn't going to run on the N900 in any scenario.

If you're interested in MeeGo proper, ignore MeeGo-Harmattan. Just wipe it from your mind. I don't see any community build coming from it, and don't know what the logic is behind it.

There is only MeeGo. And Zuul. wait...

geohsia
2010-05-28, 00:37
If you're interested in MeeGo proper, ignore MeeGo-Harmattan. Just wipe it from your mind. I don't see any community build coming from it, and don't know what the logic is behind it.

There is only MeeGo. And Zuul. wait...

See, that's what I'm asking. I thought MeeGo 1.0 for N900 was Harmattan but I'm being told it's MeeGo proper. It's Harmattan right?

fatalsaint
2010-05-28, 00:40
See, that's what I'm asking. I thought MeeGo 1.0 for N900 was Harmattan but I'm being told it's MeeGo proper. It's Harmattan right?

No.

Seriously.. wipe your mind of everything you know. We need to start fresh.

There is two operating systems. Harmattan, think of it as a Maemo 6, and MeeGo - think of it as.. MeeGo.

Harmattan will be on the next device. This device will be compatible with MeeGo, but it is not MeeGo.

The N900 is the development platform for MeeGo. There will be (and is) MeeGo ports for the N900.

Harmattan has, at this point, nothing to do at all in any fashion way shape form or transparent mist with the N900. There is, however, a thread started by qgil about working on a Community Hacker Edition of Harmattan to run on the N900.

geohsia
2010-05-28, 00:48
OK, brain wiped...:eek:

Harmattan will be on the next device. This device will be compatible with MeeGo, but it is not MeeGo.

The N900 is the development platform for MeeGo. There will be (and is) MeeGo ports for the N900.
OK, this I get

Harmattan has, at this point, nothing to do at all in any fashion way shape form or transparent mist with the N900. There is, however, a thread started by qgil about working on a Community Hacker Edition of Harmattan to run on the N900.

So there will be MeeGo for the N900 and Community Hacker EDITION of Harmattan for the N900, neither of which will be supported by Nokia.

fatalsaint
2010-05-28, 00:49
So there will be MeeGo for the N900 and Community Hacker EDITION of Harmattan for the N900, neither of which will be supported by Nokia.

IF everything goes according to plan....

Yes.

geohsia
2010-05-28, 00:53
IF everything goes according to plan....

Yes.

So one day I can triple-boot, Maemo, MeeGo 1.1 and MeeGo-Harmattan community edition? :D At least one will support USSD and service codes, right? ;)

fatalsaint
2010-05-28, 00:57
So one day I can triple-boot, Maemo, MeeGo 1.1 and MeeGo-Harmattan community edition? :D At least one will support USSD and service codes, right? ;)

ROFL.. technically possible...

Not really sure why you'd want to ;)... but who knows.. maybe between the three you'll get support for all that weird stuff :D.

wmarone
2010-05-28, 00:57
So one day I can triple-boot, Maemo, MeeGo 1.1 and MeeGo-Harmattan community edition? :D At least one will support USSD and service codes, right? ;)

All that and it'll do the dishes, with luck. It'll take a lot of LEGO though.

geohsia
2010-05-28, 01:12
All that and it'll do the dishes, with luck. It'll take a lot of LEGO though.

Now if someone can port VMWare to ARM we can run all 3 OS vm's at the same time. That's when we teleport via Skype. Who needs a front facing camera when your head can pop out the other side.

me2000
2010-05-28, 15:05
Ya' know. Maybe, just maybe... it's takes time to develop and test software.. ya think?

Last time I checked Nokia still had 40% of the worldwide market. So, how is that trailing the rest of the industry?!?

Here is what people think of Nokia's Symbian response to the iPhone.

http://www.osnews.com/story/23373/Nokia_N8_Demonstration_Nokia_s_Got_Work_to_Do

Nokia needs Meego to be a bit hit and fast.

sirsnortalot
2010-05-29, 17:49
Can anyone tell me the best way to put Meego on the N900? Managed to track down the raw file but am a little wary of just dumping the file into the phone and going from there!! :D

Heman1310
2010-05-29, 17:55
Can anyone tell me where to download meego for the N900? Have looked high and low with no joy so far!! I keep running into stories saying it will not be made available for the N900.....all very confusing!:mad::mad:

It has been said many times in this thread... Search!

sirsnortalot
2010-05-29, 17:56
Yeah, I got it eventually :)

siovene
2010-05-29, 18:09
So one day I can triple-boot, Maemo, MeeGo 1.1 and MeeGo-Harmattan community edition? :D At least one will support USSD and service codes, right? ;)

Maemo5 PR1.2 supports USSD.

linuxeventually
2010-05-30, 07:40
Now if someone can port VMWare to ARM we can run all 3 OS vm's at the same time. That's when we teleport via Skype. Who needs a front facing camera when your head can pop out the other side.

VMware did port their software to the N800
http://vimeo.com/3363448

But never released it. :mad:

tissot
2010-06-01, 09:59
Future Acer netbooks and tablets to run MeeGo (http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/future-acer-netbooks-and-tablets-to-run-meego/)
ASUS launches netbook App Store eying a MeeGo future (http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/31/asus-launches-netbook-app-store-eying-a-meego-future/)

Not bad. Hoping to see more and more of these news. :)

cloudstrife1ph
2010-06-01, 12:05
how was the meego on n900? is it really good or even better than maemo 5 right now?

is it possible to dual boot the n900 with meego and maemo at the same time?

nicola.mfb
2010-06-01, 12:29
how was the meego on n900? is it really good or even better than maemo 5 right now?

is it possible to dual boot the n900 with meego and maemo at the same time?

Meego uses a different kernel and there are kexec issues atm so dual boot is not possible (it may be reusing the maemo kernel)

Anyway with flasher you may load temporary the meego kernel and boot it, and got a very minimalistic UI, xterm without wm ;)

stlpaul
2010-06-04, 01:31
Linux Action Show podcast this week was talking extensively about MeeGo (and N900).

http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/?p=2029