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ZenFeedbacker
2010-06-10, 18:30
I've seen some reports that Meego won't be able to run on my Nokia Booklet conventionally because it's one of the few Atom based Netbooks that has an unsupported chipset? Is this a permanent thing?
The Nokia Booklet 3G uses a GMA500 graphics chip, which is based on the PowerVR SGX, for which there are no good x86 Linux drivers. There is meager support in Ubuntu 10.04, but whether that is planned to be migrated into MeeGo is up in the air (mostly manpower needed.)
RobertHall
2010-06-10, 19:07
@Pradabrada
how crappy is this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIKYF7MOzU
this is a big shame as i was planning on getting the 3g notebook. big shame indeed.
this is a big shame as i was planning on getting the 3g notebook. big shame indeed.
Not terribly. The Booklet 3G is mostly bog-standard netbook hardware with integrated 3G. There are many out there with 3G and the requisite Intel chips (though if you're brave you can always try ION, I wouldn't.)
Not terribly. The Booklet 3G is mostly bog-standard netbook hardware with integrated 3G. There are many out there with 3G and the requisite Intel chips (though if you're brave you can always try ION, I wouldn't.)
True. Thanks. At worst I will just put ubuntu netbook OS on there.
Nice explanation of the mess on Phoronix
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzAyOQ
PradaBrada
2010-06-10, 23:23
@Pradabrada
how crappy is this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIKYF7MOzU
protip: the engadget video was better, and as I said not impressed yet, since they're are already similar or better and more supported devices (coming) out
ZenFeedbacker
2010-06-10, 23:45
True. Thanks. At worst I will just put ubuntu netbook OS on there.
I've had mine for about two months now.
Pros - Aesthetics, massive battery life, profile and connectivity (the HDMI out port is great).
Cons - The processor can get bogged down easily, I felt it quite painfully as this Netbook replaced my old Gaming laptop that had a twin core processor in it. It feels slow, but I guess it's part and parcel of how you use these things. If you avoid heavy multitasking it copes fine.
Shame about Meego though. What other Lightweight OSs would you guys recommend for the Booklet 3g? Windows 7 is a bit of a hog.
Shame about Meego though. What other Lightweight OSs would you guys recommend for the Booklet 3g? Windows 7 is a bit of a hog.
Perhaps Jolicloud (http://www.jolicloud.com/)?
I haven't tried it but it seems to be nice.
EDIT: It supports Booklet 3G. (http://www.jolicloud.com/product/compatibility)
ZenFeedbacker
2010-06-11, 00:22
That looks really interesting :) cheers for bringing it to my attention, going to read into it.
About the original topic of this thread, you might want to check this meego.com forum thread: MeeGo on Nokia Booklet 3G? (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=264)
In theory MeeGo has enormous potential.
Imagine running the same os on your n900 and your laptop/desktop pc.
But, unfortunately will not be the case for the forseeable future because:
System Requirements
* CPU: Intel Atom or Intel Core 2 CPU (support for SSSE3)
Note: MeeGo will not work on non-SSSE3 CPUs
* Platforms with the GMA-500, Nvidia, or ATI Graphics chipset are not supported.
* Tested netbook and nettop platforms
If you are inclined to do so you can download the source code to MeeGo and get it working on your system (isn't open source great!) - e.g. disable SSSE3, compile X/kernel drivers for your video card.
My biggest problem is that SSSE3 is required and limits what you can install MeeGo to. All the x86 packages have the SSSE3 support compiled in - even non GUI apps like bash!
What happens when a third-party releases a binary-only version of their app and you try and run it on your custom installation?
Okay, this will be my last offtopic reply to this thread...
Alrighty then... back on topic I hope. :)
One thing the Booklet did for me was raise my expectations regarding the length of time between charges that could be achieved by a portable device running a robust OS like Win7 or any full featured OS for that matter.
After the novelty of owning a laptop wore off the fact that no matter how light, sleek, or thin the things were you still had to lug a charging station with you that in most cases could pass as a medieval Flail (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Klassischer-Flegel.jpg/220px-Klassischer-Flegel.jpg) if you expected to get more than 2 or 3 hours worth of work out of it during your day. For me at least this made having to use one a PITA. As a result, I'm thinking many learned to work without one. I know I have avoided making it a requirement in my daily life for the past 8 or 9 years now. In fact, that was what attracted me to the NIT's in the first place. Not having quick and easy access to data was becoming harder to avoid.
Even if your lappy was made out of unobtainium and you could impress your friends by slipping it out of standard file folder like a Magician, a 12 volt car charger for the thing also typically had a brick hanging off it.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41rI6WMPJFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
Try tucking that^ into your turtle neck sweater, Mandrake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandrake_the_Magician). :eek:
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The idea that you could (on average < Troll disclaimer) leave the house in the morning with Nokia's Booklet 3g and return in the evening after using it all day without a charge certainly raised the level of what I now expect from a full featured mobile device.
In retrospect, perhaps raising that expectation with future customers is what motivated Nokia to release the Booklet at that time. :)
EDIT: @ johnel. Sorry, I took a call while I was composing this^ post and didn't realize you had posted... That is a question that would pro'ly be better asked in the MeeGo forum that qgil pointed to. Unfortunately in this forums recent climate, even though they may not understand it, some may add your concern to their off topic, vitriolic ramblings. ;)
In theory MeeGo has enormous potential.
Imagine running the same os on your n900 and your laptop/desktop pc.
I don't have to imagine this.
I am already running the same OS on my N900 and my desktop and my laptop.
It's called Linux. :D
oookkkkkayyy!
I'll rephrase that:
In theory MeeGo has enormous potential.
Imagine running the same distribution on your n900 and your laptop/desktop pc.
E.g: Run MeeGo on the n900 and run MeeGo on my laptop.
At the moment I have maemo on n900 and Ubuntu 9.04 on my laptop not quite the same.
sjgadsby
2010-06-11, 12:23
As requested, the posts regarding complaining about Nokia, its products, and its business practices in these fora have been moved to their own thread (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55898). Please continue that discussion there. The discussion is off-topic for this thread.
I've seen some reports that Meego won't be able to run on my Nokia Booklet conventionally because it's one of the few Atom based Netbooks that has an unsupported chipset? Is this a permanent thing?
Back on topic...
You should mind that current MeeGo is "only" a base platform that manufacturers will work on adding hardware specific drivers and applications.
There is already a community forming for creating MeeGo based distributions to support platforms not supported by the base MeeGo distribution. Ie. "MeeGo on N900" has a lot of traction lately.
As I understand there are Linux drivers for Booklet available, so "unofficial" comunity sponsored release of MeeGo for Booklet is possible,
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