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Within the next few minutes it seems.
http://mynokiablog.com/2010/07/27/leak-of-first-nokia-meego-handset-coming-soon/
Ok...56 minutes left ;)
EDIT: Damn...can't go to sleep now :(
follow these twitter accounts and site this is where leak will happen in an hour or two
http://twitter.com/nirave
http://twitter.com/mobile_users
http://www.mobile-users.net/
He says the phone is a beauty i cant wait to see what its like
RolePlayGame
2010-07-27, 20:24
Ah!
"Coming soon"...
I'm a lucky man then, just today I have not another spare 600€.
For sure next week... Because it will be released next week, I'm right?
solidvox
2010-07-27, 20:25
Waiting for Godot....
danramos
2010-07-27, 20:27
This is the big exciting news?
http://www.mobile-users.net/2010/07/26/nokia-c6-01-leaks-not-much-of-an-upgrade/
Meh.
This is the big exciting news?
http://www.mobile-users.net/2010/07/26/nokia-c6-01-leaks-not-much-of-an-upgrade/
Meh.
No, its dated for yesterday.
July 26, 2010
This is the big exciting news?
http://www.mobile-users.net/2010/07/26/nokia-c6-01-leaks-not-much-of-an-upgrade/
Meh.
that's not the news that's a leak from last week and was already posted there before he mentioned Meego leak incoming
hassan_badredin
2010-07-27, 20:32
ill be here for an hour just in case...
The twitter page says he is updating the post now (posted 8 minutes ago) so the update should be up real real soon.
danramos
2010-07-27, 20:34
Ah okay. He needs to hurry up. I’m yawning and falling asleep waiting. ;)
Let's make a poll...
a). This will be good
b). This will be disappointing
c). I don't care
I'm leaning toward (a)...
i'm not sure but i'm hoping for A, to stop me buying a N8 or HTC desire
mohannad
2010-07-27, 20:39
Has it been an hour yet?
Let's make a poll...
a). This will be good
b). This will be disappointing
c). I don't care
I'm leaning toward (a)...
d). We are being hoaxed by obscure blog for some extra traffic.
Look here - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=766859#post766859
danramos
2010-07-27, 20:41
Let's make a poll...
a). This will be good
b). This will be disappointing
c). I don't care
I'm leaning toward (a)...
I'm wembling between all three.
I suspect it will SEEM good, then we'll be disappointed and finally I won't care.
hassan_badredin
2010-07-27, 20:42
Look here - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=766859#post766859
i dont think so...
the vote should have stopped prior to the 'leak'
and i just voted on the nokia conversations site so...
i dont think so
danramos
2010-07-27, 20:49
Here we go! Leaked photos!
http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/masonr-cellphone.jpg?w=338&h=450
I am hoping it will be good. The new wave of android devices are looking desirable, epic and incredible. Nokia really needs to come up with a Nokia Amazing to prevent many people jumping ship. I am sure N97 already lost them tons of customers and N900 did not do anything to redress that outside the geek community. If they want to stay really relevant they cannot afford this to be average.
hassan_badredin
2010-07-27, 20:51
lol /\
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imperiallight
2010-07-27, 20:54
I hope its the n9 so I was right :P But exciting news anyway
danramos
2010-07-27, 20:56
I am hoping it will be good. The new wave of android devices are looking desirable, epic and incredible. Nokia really needs to come up with a Nokia Amazing to prevent many people jumping ship. I am sure N97 already lost them tons of customers and N900 did not do anything to redress that outside the geek community. If they want to stay really relevant they cannot afford this to be average.
The N900 didn't do anything for the geek community either. It did something for a small set of Nokia geeks. NOKIA GEEKS, not geeks in general. You'll notice that most of the geeks and hobbyists are still mainly on ANYTHING ELSE.
it will be a N9 but the symbian device what looks like the N8 what people have been calling the N9 is not it b/c that was not a N9
imperiallight
2010-07-27, 21:00
it will be a N9 but the symbian device what looks like the N8 what people have been calling the N9 is not it b/c that was not a N9
Sure, I just wondered whether they would swap the OS, prerelease
I'm happy with my 1Ghz N900, so the only thing here that's actually interesting for me is stopping all the "Nokia sucks" rants.
Sure, I just wondered whether they would swap the OS, prerelease
even symbian engineers have said it was not the N9 its something else but they did not say name.
I'm happy with my 1Ghz N900, so the only thing here that's actually interesting for me is stopping all the "Nokia sucks" rants.
...and be able to go to sleep.
mohannad
2010-07-27, 21:04
Im sure its been more than an hour!
in the last tweet he said hour or two that was one hour ago, so could be any time from now
http://twitter.com/mobile_users/status/19682712001
destroid
2010-07-27, 21:10
danramos: Smashing! I got to spoil my self with one!:D
Should be updated any time now.....
Probably will not far away from the n900.
BTW, anyone who didn't voted yet for the games contest and liked my game vote for Destroid http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58990
Thanks in advance!!!!:)
ceroberts75
2010-07-27, 21:11
hmmmmmmjmmm
danramos
2010-07-27, 21:12
Should be updated any time now.....
Probably will not far away from the n900.
BTW, anyone who didn't voted yet for the games contest PLEASE vote for Destroid, I need ~10 votes to win. here's the link:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58990
Thanks in advance!!!!
Nice plug. Yeah, let's NOT vote for the one we like--let's vote for YOURS. :P
Ah... these are games--I thought this was that thread about voting for the Nokia phone sketches. Still.. wrong thread and underhanded pitching, lad.
attila77
2010-07-27, 21:16
Within the next few minutes it seems.
http://mynokiablog.com/2010/07/27/leak-of-first-nokia-meego-handset-coming-soon/
Soo... technically this is a leak of a leak ?
Where's the leak??
http://www.aquacare247.co.uk/assets/images/water_leak_man_image.jpg
danramos
2010-07-27, 21:19
GREAT NEWS! It has a dual-core snapdragon 1.2GHz processor!
http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/jp-hearmenow1.jpg?w=320&h=450
Dan, you've got a weird collection of cellphones :D
RolePlayGame
2010-07-27, 21:21
I'm happy with my 1Ghz N900, so the only thing here that's actually interesting for me is stopping all the "Nokia sucks" rants.
OMG!
We're very afraid... "stopping all the Nokia sucks rants"
What a rude boy.
Ok, here is one. And what?
slartibartfass
2010-07-27, 21:21
These pictures are not funny. Stop posting them please.
danramos
2010-07-27, 21:22
These pictures are not funny. Stop posting them please.
You know what else is not funny? Leaking. It's a crisis!
Maybe we should all just leave him be... you know how hard it is to take a leak when people are watching...
mohannad
2010-07-27, 21:24
GREAT NEWS! It has a dual-core snapdragon 1.2GHz processor!
http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/jp-hearmenow1.jpg?w=320&h=450
oh cooool! I love the originality!
Nokia CEO
"We need to do something different to regain market share! Everyone seems to be releasing (touch)screen-only phones."
Some random nokia employee:
"I know! how about a keypad only phone".
Nokia CEO
"WHY DIDNT I THINK OF THAT!!"
danramos
2010-07-27, 21:26
These pictures are not funny. Stop posting them please.
Sorry, I misread what you said.
http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129145024700960953.jpg
I'm out. Need to sleep! call me when its uploaded. Thx
hassan_badredin
2010-07-27, 21:28
ok, ill admit it: im here only for the pics with naked phones... :))
Oh yeah.sexy naked phones
Where's the leak??
http://www.aquacare247.co.uk/assets/images/water_leak_man_image.jpg
Stupid guy is stupid.
Sorry, I misread what you said.
The pictures you post aren't funny, just like the other poster said.
danramos
2010-07-27, 21:31
The pictures you post aren't funny, just like the other poster said.
Clearly! But we're waiting to watch someone's leak. What else is there to do?
GeraldKo
2010-07-27, 21:32
Clearly! But we're waiting to watch someone's leak. What else is there to do?
Stare at the tile wall in front of you?
Odd_gunnic
2010-07-27, 21:33
[URL="http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/07/27/t-mobile-puts-up-teaser-page-for-hspa-phone-due-out-later-this-year/"]
Wonder if this relates somehow.
RolePlayGame
2010-07-27, 21:34
Clearly! But we're waiting to watch someone's leak. What else is there to do?
C'mon danramos, they are obviously a pair of cool Linux Hackers, they must be right... or perhaps they are only Nokia workers, who knows...
Gosh this is really dragging on. This guy is even worse than Nokia at meeting deadlines.
hassan_badredin
2010-07-27, 21:35
i dont know what people have against this guys pics?...
Nokia can't even leak on schedule.
danramos
2010-07-27, 21:36
C'mon danramos, they are obviously a pair of cool Linux Hackers, they must be right... or perhaps they are only Nokia workers, who knows...
OK, last one... honest.. ;) Mostly had to post it because it's the image that popped into my head when you said that:
http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129143146893146403.jpg
The game is probably why we're still waiting for that leak to get posted. He's posting in his camping-out between team-killing.
kossibeibe
2010-07-27, 21:37
Gosh this is really dragging on. This guy is even worse than Nokia at meeting deadlines.
vouch,
cmooooooooon
OK, last one... honest.. ;) Mostly had to post it because it's the image that popped into my head when you said that:
http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129143146893146403.jpg
The game is probably why we're still waiting for that leak to get posted. He's posting in his camping-out between team-killing.
where did you get linux? he is obviously playing Counter Strike, so this would be a windows machine?
Hilarious pics! Keep em' coming...
danramos
2010-07-27, 21:41
i dont know what people have against this guys pics?...
They probably genuinely aren't funny to someone whose phone looks like that. :)
slartibartfass
2010-07-27, 21:45
I have a n900 or why else would I be on maemo forums?
danramos
2010-07-27, 21:48
I have a n900 or why else would I be on maemo forums?
Do you use your N900 for taking photos?
http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/129043379529385651.jpg
OK...no really.. last one.
mohannad
2010-07-27, 21:48
I have a n900 or why else would I be on maemo forums?
If only everyone thought like that..
Anyway, what timezone is the leaker in? Its been almost two hours since the "within the hour" comment. I think they are pulling our legs.
Once there was a guy in Russia. He tweeted about a leaks coming at midnight, and behold there would article up at midnight. Then the evil people in Finland asked KGB to send him into a gulag. Soooo, now we have guy in Dubai making tweets he can't keep.
I'm sure there is some kind of moral lesson in that somewhere.
new leak.....flash 10.1 coming to n900.....leaked news direct from nokia....to follow soon.....am just updating my twitter page.....wont be long....nearly there ...about an hour or so.
danramos
2010-07-27, 21:54
new leak.....flash 10.1 coming to n900.....leaked news direct from nokia....to follow soon.....am just updating my twitter page.....wont be long....nearly there ...about an hour or so.
Now you're just faking a leak. You're clearly not producing anything we can see. ;)
RolePlayGame
2010-07-27, 21:56
new leak.....flash 10.1 coming to n900.....leaked news direct from nokia....to follow soon.....am just updating my twitter page.....wont be long....nearly there ...about an hour or so.
What? But if this night all we will buy the new Nokia phone! We don't need flash 10.1 anymore! It comes with full html5! And all the webmasters are redesigning its contents NOT for iPhone, ONLY FOR the new Nokia.
AND IN FULL PORTRAIT MODE!
Now you're just faking a leak. You're clearly not producing anything we can see. ;)
yawn!....i was taking the leak out of the tweeted leak.
http://twitter.com/nirave/status/19688986355
DOH
mohannad
2010-07-27, 22:00
http://twitter.com/nirave/status/19688986355
DOH
What a lame guy! I say we stone him. Stoning is still legal in dubai right?
http://twitter.com/nirave/status/19688986355
DOH
tsk tsk tsk
Oh well at least I was right. (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=766909&postcount=15) That's allways good thing. :p
Oh no he has just posted to say it is just a concept. Why didn't he say that at the outset? Annoying guy.
Claims he has specs, xml and release info though. What is xml?
Longest... leak... ever... :)
Claims he has specs, xml and release info though. What is xml?
http://lmgtfy.org/?q=xml
imperiallight
2010-07-27, 22:04
Ooops, we did it again, played with your heart. Got lost in the game. ... its soo much fun!
Album: Revenge on the Nerds
Artist: Nokia
edgedemon
2010-07-27, 22:05
Oh well - off to bed then - what a waste of time...
It's just an idiot trying to create hype with sensationalistic news. All he got is the fact that Nokia is making a MeeGo device, which was obivous of course, just like any manufacturer is working on future products at any given time.
Jeez...
mu-min_83
2010-07-27, 22:05
Concept really?... It's supposed to be released at the end of the year . Hope it's some kind of pre-production device. Wishful think maybe.
mohannad
2010-07-27, 22:06
Is that guy on the meamo/meego forums? I say we ban him.
mu-min_83
2010-07-27, 22:08
He's got an iphone so probably not.
he as specs and xml
i'm still interested to read but i wanted pictures and screenies :(
mohannad
2010-07-27, 22:10
He's got an iphone so probably not.
Ah, that explains a lot.
He's got an iphone so probably not.
he does have account i've seen him talk about n900 on twitter before and seen him here.
how do you know he as iphone?, the twitter client he is using is available for firefox and the other is available on multiplatforms too
He uses more then one client the other is tweetdeck...
tweetdeck is on PC, mac and iphone
heres is maemo account http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=25574
hassan_badredin
2010-07-27, 22:18
i cant believe it...
again we all got hyped over nothin...
im telling you, this phone we all use is cursed by all other manufacturers, even by nokia, cause its just too good...
giladmttw
2010-07-27, 22:19
I hope his iPhone will lose reception every time he holds for what he did !
mu-min_83
2010-07-27, 22:20
tweetdeck is on PC, mac and iphone
heres is maemo account http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=25574
According to that he hasn't been on here for long time '
Last Activity: 03-18-10 11:10 PM'
danramos
2010-07-27, 22:34
I hope his iPhone will lose reception every time he holds for what he did !
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest his sister's armpits! ;)
Now I feel perfectly justified in making all my jokes to keep myself amused.
maybe he will just post the pictures from the Nokia U thread.
Those are concept pictures with some specs
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59285
mu-min_83
2010-07-27, 22:37
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest his sister's armpits! ;)
Now I feel perfectly justified in making all my jokes to keep myself amused.
Anymore pics?
slartibartfass
2010-07-27, 22:42
Of his sister? Please not.
mohannad
2010-07-27, 22:44
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest his sister's armpits! ;)
Now I feel perfectly justified in making all my jokes to keep myself amused.
I dont think camels can get flees. Flees will get cooked when the temperature reaches 50degrees Celsius.
mu-min_83
2010-07-27, 22:49
FINALLY....Here is the highly anticipated device we've been waiting for...
http://www.mobile-users.net/2010/07/27/nokia-nx0-xml-concept-photo-inside/
http://www.mobile-users.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/nx0.jpg
Nokia NX0 Rumoured Specs:
* MeeGo OS
* 800 MHz Dual-Core Qualcomm processor
* 1GB RAM (1GB physical versus 256MB physical + 768MB virtual in the N900)
* 8MP camera, Carl Zeiss Optics, Dual LED flash
* 720p HD Video Recording & Playback
* 4.0″ AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, 800 x 480 pixels
* 4-Row Hardware QWERTY keyboard
* 17mm thin (a little under twice as thick as the Apple iPhone 4).
imperiallight
2010-07-27, 22:51
I thought it wasn't going to be a Qualcomm.
Extra keyboard row should be handy.
Bezel is small.
17mm thickness is still too much. Look at the Toshiba K01 (http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/toshiba-k01-hands-on/). Anything over 15mm is not cool, the n9 is a another slim device.
Increase the screen res.
Corners too rounded, doesn't look right, nor worth the wait. Looks fake to me.
imperiallight
2010-07-27, 22:56
Certainly doesn't look like too much of anything as far as pictures go.
Interesting. I like the slim bezel. I'm very glad it has a hw keyboard also.
Looking good so far going by the rumoured specs. Hope they pull it off.
How come this is a "concept", if the release date is going to be 3 months from now?
mu-min_83
2010-07-27, 23:00
How come this is a "concept", if the release date is going to be 3 months from now?
My thoughts exactly.
imperiallight
2010-07-27, 23:02
If its dual-core its going to be 4 -6 months at least.
danramos
2010-07-27, 23:03
FINALLY....Here is the highly anticipated device we've been waiting for...
http://www.mobile-users.net/2010/07/27/nokia-nx0-xml-concept-photo-inside/
http://www.mobile-users.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/nx0.jpg
Nokia NX0 Rumoured Specs:
* MeeGo OS
* 800 MHz Dual-Core Qualcomm processor
* 1GB RAM (1GB physical versus 256MB physical + 768MB virtual in the N900)
* 8MP camera, Carl Zeiss Optics, Dual LED flash
* 720p HD Video Recording & Playback
* 4.0″ AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, 800 x 480 pixels
* 4-Row Hardware QWERTY keyboard
* 17mm thin (a little under twice as thick as the Apple iPhone 4).
UGH... STILL only 800x480. Come on.
How come this is a "concept", if the release date is going to be 3 months from now?
I don't really trust the the source, but if you look at XML screenshot, it has a <Vendor>Nokia<Vendor> -line on it. If it's real, then the original source is propably a 3rd party seller (would Nokia's own data include Vendor=Nokia information?). It could be some kind of early preview.
Seems a very good smartphone, but this time i will wait before buying it...
I really have my doubts about this information. I'm pretty sure that the next Maemo/MeeGo device will be announced in november during the MeeGo summit, just like last year the N900 with the maemo summit in october.
It just makes the most sense. Also nokia has already established that the next device will run maemo 6 (re-branded as the first MeeGo compatible device). I also believe that during the last summit it was said that the next device would use a TI OMAP core. So that will probably be the die-shrink to the OMAP3630 chip (720 MHz Cortex A8).
That said, the sheets of all the presentations will probably be online somewhere, so we can check if there was OMAP of just ARM named as the architecture.
But the timing for a dual-core Qualcomm product is plausible. The new third generation qualcomm chips, like the dual-core QSD8672 should arrive in endproducts by the end of the year. I assume that would mean november/december, so that would fit with an MeeGo summit anouncement in november.
I don't really trust the the source, but if you look at XML screenshot, it has a <Vendor>Nokia<Vendor> -line on it. If it's real, then the original source is propably a 3rd party seller (would Nokia's own data include Vendor=Nokia information?). It could be some kind of early preview.
Good part... anything above this "preview" will be an improvement.
slartibartfass
2010-07-27, 23:08
Capacitive screen sucks.
check out this screen!
Stantum High Resolution Digital Resistive Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXDtt2UNT2c
multitouch & pressure sensitive
i heard rumors nokia will implement it in his tablet and perhaps meego handset as well
attila77
2010-07-27, 23:20
Do you use your N900 for taking photos?
http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/129043379529385651.jpg
OK...no really.. last one.
Pfft. My setup looks geekier. :D
Laughing Man
2010-07-27, 23:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvA6aI5eiAI
check out this screen! Capacitive screen & pressure sensitive.
i heard rumors nokia will implement it in his tablet and perhaps meego handset as well
I thought Stantum was a resistive multi-touch screen..
attila77
2010-07-27, 23:26
That said, the sheets of all the presentations will probably be online somewhere, so we can check if there was OMAP of just ARM named as the architecture.
The Summit announcement was: OMAP3, WVGA, Capacitive multitouch.
Though I'm sincerely hoping for a 3640, the 3630 will be behind the curve even by today's standards (as there are already GHz rated A8 processors in shipping products).
imperiallight
2010-07-27, 23:27
There were 200 users earlier on this thread, there's got to be more opinions than the usual gang!
slartibartfass
2010-07-27, 23:29
check out this screen!
Stantum High Resolution Digital Resistive Demo
[/url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXDtt2UNT2c[/url]
multitouch & pressure sensitive
i heard rumors nokia will implement it in his tablet and perhaps meego handset as well
Wow, that would be awesome.
imperiallight
2010-07-27, 23:29
I thought with Nokias partnership with Intel that they might use one of their moorestown processors over Qualcomm e.g the LG GW990 one.
mu-min_83
2010-07-27, 23:30
There were 200 users earlier on this thread, there's got to be more opinions than the usual gang!
I think most of them fell asleep while waiting for this. I don't blame them it was nothing special just some highly charged ego publicity stunt.
Post has been taken down now.
Should have made it clear it wasn't a leak as such; more just specs & xml.
The post never said that it was from Nokia's website as I picked up on the same Vendor thing as on the previous page.
Thanks.
mu-min_83
2010-07-27, 23:34
FINALLY....Here is the highly anticipated device we've been waiting for...
http://www.mobile-users.net/2010/07/27/nokia-nx0-xml-concept-photo-inside/
http://www.mobile-users.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/nx0.jpg
Nokia NX0 Rumoured Specs:
* MeeGo OS
* 800 MHz Dual-Core Qualcomm processor
* 1GB RAM (1GB physical versus 256MB physical + 768MB virtual in the N900)
* 8MP camera, Carl Zeiss Optics, Dual LED flash
* 720p HD Video Recording & Playback
* 4.0″ AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, 800 x 480 pixels
* 4-Row Hardware QWERTY keyboard
* 17mm thin (a little under twice as thick as the Apple iPhone 4).
UPDATE: The post on the website has been deleted, it must have been due to all the negative comments they got (fully deserved).
I personally don't understand why people keep complaining about the phone having "STILL" a 800x480 screen. At 4" this resolution is STILL very good, in fact the DPI is higher than a 24" 1920x1200 widescreen monitor.
And if you're thinking "yah but iphone=960x640 zomg much better so this suxx!!!!oneone" then you should know that past a certain DPI your eye can't distinguish the increased pixel density (sharpness) anymore.
800x480 is great and so is the dual-core CPU. If this turns out to be true, it will be an excellent device. :)
To nirave: your apologies are not accepted. People who lie, cheat and mislead are the lowest in my book.
attila77
2010-07-27, 23:35
1. Most normal people in Europe are asleep now (we like Linux, so we are not part of the normal category anyway)
2. You'll have to wait for Medfield for any Intel action to be *considered* at all, Moorestown is good for tablets at best
3. Somebody seems to have removed the page quickly. But not quickly enough. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A//www.mobile-users.net/2010/07/27/nokia-nx0-xml-concept-photo-inside/
mu-min_83
2010-07-27, 23:35
Okay so I've been slated for posting it.
I'll admit i overhyped it and didn't make it clear from the beginning it was specs and xml as opposed to a leak.
Etc etc etc.
Post has been taken down now.
And just for future reference; the reason I haven't been on here is because I sold my N900 and being a relative linux newbie had nothing to really offer this site so I stopped posting here.
Thanks.
You should have made it very clear at beginning.
imperiallight
2010-07-27, 23:36
If you have any feedback to Nokia designers get them to up the screen res!
I personally don't understand why people keep complaining about the phone having "STILL" a 800x480 screen. At 4" this resolution is STILL very good, in fact the DPI is higher than a 24" 1920x1200 widescreen monitor.
And if you're thinking "yah but iphone=960x640 zomg much better so this suxx!!!!oneone" then you should know that past a certain DPI your eye can't distinguish the increased pixel density (sharpness) anymore.
800x480 is great and so is the dual-core CPU. If this turns out to be true, it will be an excellent device. :)
To nirave: your apologies are not accepted. People who lie, cheat and mislead are the lowest in my book.
The intention was not to cheat or mislead anyone; a simple mistake hence I attempted to correct in on Twitter prior to actually posting by saying concept, specs & xml.
Furthermore, I've actually come on here to make an apology to the 200 people who were viewing this page; the intention was never to cheat or do those things, it was merely said in the wrong way and I attempted to correct my mistake.
Thanks.
1. Most normal people in Europe are asleep now (we like Linux, so we are not part of the normal category anyway)
2. You'll have to wait for Medfield for any Intel action to be *considered* at all, Moorestown is good for tablets at best
3. Somebody seems to have removed the page quickly. But not quickly enough. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A//www.mobile-users.net/2010/07/27/nokia-nx0-xml-concept-photo-inside/
Yes, it's been taken down, not due to negative comments but in hindsight it should never have been hyped like it was; once again, a simple mistake that has been taken way out of proportion of the way it was intended.
kojacker
2010-07-27, 23:49
The intention was not to cheat or mislead anyone; a simple mistake hence I attempted to correct in on Twitter prior to actually posting by saying concept, specs & xml.
Furthermore, I've actually come on here to make an apology to the 200 people who were viewing this page; the intention was never to cheat or do those things, it was merely said in the wrong way and I attempted to correct my mistake.
Thanks.
I think that's fair enough, you got some info and a possible scoop.. there's very few if anyone on this thread that wouldn't have posted that on their own blog. Hyping it up was an error and you know that now, we move on :)
Well, it might not be 100% real and we won't know until it's actually released. But if the information had some backbone (even a flimsy one) to it, then it's still more worthwhile than a blatant lie/rumour/speculation.
@ nirave - people just got disappointed due to such big anticipation. Keep posting any information that might be of interest to us. Readers can decide if it's real or not. I'm just glad to see at least a glimpse of what "might be".
I will go as far as to say this;
the specs given to me were the ones listed and I personally hope even some of them are true as it could make for a cracking device.
imperiallight
2010-07-27, 23:56
I personally don't understand why people keep complaining about the phone having "STILL" a 800x480 screen. At 4" this resolution is STILL very good, in fact the DPI is higher than a 24" 1920x1200 widescreen monitor.
And if you're thinking "yah but iphone=960x640 zomg much better so this suxx!!!!oneone" then you should know that past a certain DPI your eye can't distinguish the increased pixel density (sharpness) anymore.
800x480 is great and so is the dual-core CPU. If this turns out to be true, it will be an excellent device.
At the same level of zoom the legibility is clearer on a smaller device even if they fill the screen. I have moved from the HD2 to the Archos 5 Android and they are both weaker at capturing the entirety of things on the screen, legibly.
The DPI is reduced on a bigger screen.
hassan_badredin
2010-07-27, 23:58
i doubt that nokia will put the latest generation chip in the first meego phone...
Laughing Man
2010-07-28, 00:01
I thought with Nokias partnership with Intel that they might use one of their moorestown processors over Qualcomm e.g the LG GW990 one.
While I think Intel and Nokia might have talked about Meego a while, I don't think they would've started on X86 processors until after the Maemo6/Meego Hybrid device was already planned. It's like the N900, the hardware you see in it was planned way earlier than when it was released since that's how long it takes to create, test, and finally push a production device out.
The intention was not to cheat or mislead anyone; a simple mistake hence I attempted to correct in on Twitter prior to actually posting by saying concept, specs & xml.
Furthermore, I've actually come on here to make an apology to the 200 people who were viewing this page; the intention was never to cheat or do those things, it was merely said in the wrong way and I attempted to correct my mistake.
Thanks.
Oh please. A simple mistake? Who are you trying to fool? (yet again). You run a website. Just like most publications on this planet you feed on naive people who wait with anticipation your overhyped and sensationalized stories. Do you think that all these people who waited for your "amazing leak" had nothing better to do?
You could at least have the decency to admit it was intentional.
sjgadsby
2010-07-28, 00:21
It's like the N900, the hardware you see in it was planned way earlier than when it was released since that's how long it takes to create, test, and finally push a production device out.
Yes. Every Nokia employee who showed a photo of the prototype Fremantle device at Maemo Summit 2008 (http://origin.arstechnica.com/news.media/450/kiljander.jpg) was sure to repeat a string of disclaimers: This is just a prototype. This isn't the final hardware. Remember, this is just a prototype. Pay no attention to the hardware behind this sample UI.
Then, a year later, the N900 turned out to look very much like that prototype we had been told to ignore.
The N900 didn't do anything for the geek community either. It did something for a small set of Nokia geeks. NOKIA GEEKS, not geeks in general. You'll notice that most of the geeks and hobbyists are still mainly on ANYTHING ELSE.
Since there's not any one piece of hardware most geeks own, I don't see how this is a useful line of reasoning. Since "ANYTHING ELSE" is a much wider category, it's utterly unsurprising that more "generic geeks" are on ANYTHING ELSE than on ANY one particular device. That doesn't mean one can't say a device meant nothing "outside the geek community" -- if 1% of geeks have one and like it, and 0% of non-geeks have one and like it, then etuoyo's statement "N900 did not do anything to redress that outside the geek community." is perfectly valid.
It seems as though you're letting your bitterness blur your thinking. Just because you have learned to hate Nokia, doesn't mean much about the geek population in general, but even if Nokia had alienated all geeks who weren't pre-existing Nokia fanboys, that's still irrelevant to the statement you're replying to. The N900 simply hasn't helped Nokia's mindshare outside the geek community.
Besides, while I can't presume to speak for others, the only reason I'm a "Nokia geek" is because I'm a UNIX geek, and back when the Nokia tablets were the only viable pocket computer running a genuinely UNIX-like OS (the Zaurus was already dying, if not yet dead), I bought an N800. Fast-forward a couple years, and the N900 is one of exactly two such options today (Pandora, of course, is the other one, though I have no clue what their status is these days), so I'm still a "Nokia geek". When someone else is shipping better hardware with UNIX as a first-class citizen, I'll likely stop being a "Nokia geek".
I personally don't understand why people keep complaining about the phone having "STILL" a 800x480 screen. At 4" this resolution is STILL very good, in fact the DPI is higher than a 24" 1920x1200 widescreen monitor.So because desktop monitors have stagnated over the past decade, we must all be content with them?
And even if we assume desktop monitors are good enough, we use them at significantly greater distances than phones/tablets -- better than a desktop doesn't mean anything.
And if you're thinking "yah but iphone=960x640 zomg much better so this suxx!!!!oneone" then you should know that past a certain DPI your eye can't distinguish the increased pixel density (sharpness) anymore.Yes. And, Mr. Jobs's lies notwithstanding, neither the iPhone 4 nor N900 is there yet. Every time I've seen someone do the math to justify the "retina display" tag, they slide from cycles/inch (where each cycle is a black/white line pair) to pixels/inch (where a pixel is either black or white, and you need two of them to make a cycle). Whether through incompetence or deception, that factor of two pushes the threshold of pixel-invisibility down somewhere around 600ppi, not 300ppi.
And really, people (by which I mean me ;)) were arguing for better PPI before the iPhone 4 came out. With the N900, we did get a somewhat increased PPI, although rather than being used to increase pixel count or to put a d-pad next to the display, it was wasted to shrink the device from the perfectly usable size of the N810. That makes 800x480/4" a step backward, when we should be moving forward...
this dpi rubbish is a joke. people have been getting along just fine with the really poor resolution and dpi of the iphone 3gs. why has dpi become important all of a sudden, is it the iphone 4 hype? I'm all for higher numbers but people are completely irrational with it, anybody viewing this page on an 900 should zoom out and switch to portrait mode then tell me why you would honestly need a higher dpi when you look at that text. in fact, I would simply ask for a larger screen because IMO that extra power required to render any extra pixels above WVGA on that size screen are not worth it. I would much rather have it put to better use.
imperiallight
2010-07-28, 01:10
this dpi rubbish is a joke. people have been getting along just fine with the really poor resolution and dpi of the iphone 3gs. why has dpi become important all of a sudden
The same whole page of a complex reference PDF or webpage e.g front page of gsmarena.com can be read with full legibility on a iphone 4 in portrait vs a n900 or similar device which needs zooming in.
True or false?
false because that same text is legible on the n900 if you take out a microscope, it is at a very, very uncomfortable reading size (i'm talking even smaller than the shadiest legal notice) like I said turn the n900 into portrait mode and zoom out the text is still readable if you concentrate on the text which is about 1mm tall but it becomes stupid to read text at that size.
frostbyte
2010-07-28, 01:20
True. No, False! True. Could you please use it in a sentence.
So because desktop monitors have stagnated over the past decade, we must all be content with them?
Desktop monitors have not stagnated, it's just you who is not up to date. And if it were true, there's no contentment to talk about. You'd just use whatever you got because there's nothing better. There's no contentment involved.
And even if we assume desktop monitors are good enough, we use them at significantly greater distances than phones/tablets -- better than a desktop doesn't mean anything.
Yes it means something. The point is that if you take desktop monitors and think about how nobody complains about the resolution being grainy (because it's not), you realize that a mobile device, with its superior DPI, is pretty awesome.
Yes. And, Mr. Jobs's lies notwithstanding, neither the iPhone 4 nor N900 is there yet. Every time I've seen someone do the math to justify the "retina display" tag, they slide from cycles/inch (where each cycle is a black/white line pair) to pixels/inch (where a pixel is either black or white, and you need two of them to make a cycle). Whether through incompetence or deception, that factor of two pushes the threshold of pixel-invisibility down somewhere around 600ppi, not 300ppi.
And really, people (by which I mean me ;)) were arguing for better PPI before the iPhone 4 came out. With the N900, we did get a somewhat increased PPI, although rather than being used to increase pixel count or to put a d-pad next to the display, it was wasted to shrink the device from the perfectly usable size of the N810. That makes 800x480/4" a step backward, when we should be moving forward...
Interesting, because I don't recall making any calculations in my post..
Anyway, while technically you are correct to say that 800x480/4" is not an improvement, I was only pointing out that people shouldn't complain so much about the display.
Now I don't know about you, but I can't see the individual pixels on my N900 no matter how close I am. Come on folks, it's not THAT bad!
If I were you I'd be more worried if there were missing key HW features, such as the physical keyboard.
True. No, False! True. Could you please use it in a sentence.
what are you confused about.
this dpi rubbish is a joke. people have been getting along just fine with the really poor resolution and dpi of the iphone 3gs. why has dpi become important all of a sudden, is it the iphone 4 hype?No. As I said, some of us have been agitating for better screens for a long time, and dissing the iPhone/iPhone3/iPhone3GS for its low resolution. If you've been fine with low resolution, that's great; DPI didn't matter to you, and there's no reason it should start mattering now. For those of us who have been aware of and concerned with DPI for years, it did matter, and still does.
The only thing "all of a sudden" about it is that you recently became aware that there are other people concerned about it. Maybe this was because of press coverage of the iPhone 4, but in any case, try not to confuse your
I'm all for higher numbers but people are completely irrational with it, anybody viewing this page on an 900 should zoom out and switch to portrait mode then tell me why you would honestly need a higher dpi when you look at that text.
OK, I went to portrait mode, and zoomed so the page width was equal to the 480px screen width. Guess what? The letters are down in the 6px high range. If antialiasing were disabled at this size, they would be legible, but ugly; since they are anti-aliased, they're not ugly, but hard to read. That's "why you would honestly need a higher dpi when you look at that text" -- so you can have proper looking fonts and proper legibility at once.
false because that same text is legible on the n900 if you take out a microscope, it is at a very, very uncomfortable reading size (i'm talking even smaller than the shadiest legal notice) like I said turn the n900 into portrait mode and zoom out the text is still readable if you concentrate on the text which is about 1mm tall but it becomes stupid to read text at that size.For text, yes, it's arguably stupid to read at that size -- because text doesn't rely on "big-picture" view; splitting it over twice as many pages doesn't cost much. (Unless, of course, that text is in a badly designed website or a PDF, and you have to zoom out that far to make it through a line with out horizontal scrolling...) Now try technical diagrams -- datasheets and the like. There's a legitimate case for cramming these on the screen instead of scrolling.
Besides, you blame the difficulty in reading this on small physical size, assuming the pixel density to be sufficient, and then using that to claim we don't need more density. That's what we call begging the question, and it's a fallacy. To have an argument, you need to introduce some data to support your assumption that the text would not be more legible at twice the PPI.
Here's my evidence: see the screenshot...
Look at it on your desktop, where it will be large enough to read, and you can't claim the physical size is the problem (or open it in an image editor and scale it up to suit). Is it then easy to read? No, it's just as illegible at 10mm as it was at <1mm -- because the problem is pixelation, not size. If we had a 3.5" 1600x960 screen, it would be much more readable...
http://i32.tinypic.com/2hehl3a.png
Desktop monitors have not stagnated, it's just you who is not up to date.
Well over ten years ago, I was using a fairly ordinary CRT with 0.25mm dot pitch (which is measured at an angle, IIRC it was 0.21mm horizontal); now most desktop LCDs are 95-100ppi, or 0.25-0.27mm pitch horizontal. You're right; they've not stagnated, they've actually gone backwards. :rolleyes: But go on, I'm not up to date? Do explain...
And if it were true, there's no contentment to talk about. You'd just use whatever you got because there's nothing better. There's no contentment involved.You're right -- without spending thousands of dollars on one of the handful of T221s out there, I'm stuck with the low density, and am not content. I guess we agree on this, so I'm not sure why we're arguing this point...
But if we're not content, just stuck, then why in the world would "oh, it's better than that piece of trash you're stuck with on your desktop" mean it's good enough? Yes, it's better by a factor of 2-3, but it's also used at 1/2-1/3 the distance, more or less -- so if I'm not content with my desktop, I'll not be content with it, either...
Yes it means something. The point is that if you take desktop monitors and think about how nobody complains about the resolution being grainy (because it's not), you realize that a mobile device, with its superior DPI, is pretty awesome.But people do complain -- why do you think the T221 is so famous on the internet, and commands such a price when you can find one? It's not mere scarcity, a relic to put on the shelf and say "I have a rare monitor!" -- the people who can afford them buy them to use, because cheap monitors are grainy, and they do want higher resolution.
Interesting, because I don't recall making any calculations in my post..Yes, you made an assertion (that there's a maximum useful angular density), with an implication of relevance (which would mean that the iPhone 4, the N900, and/or the proposed 4" screen would be at or about that angular density at reasonable distances), with absolutely no evidence to support it.
I guess that's better than making and posting wrong calculations, but I can only assume you came to that conclusion from someone's calculations. So I addressed what seemed to me the most likely source -- of course, if you'd provided your own source, I wouldn't have had to guess.
Now I don't know about you, but I can't see the individual pixels on my N900 no matter how close I am. Come on folks, it's not THAT bad!
Really? So when you open the "Clock & phase" page at http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/, you see a homogeneous grey field, no matter how close you are? If so, then you should probably consider reading glasses...
RogerTHAcctant
2010-07-28, 02:25
I don't know what everyone's making a big deal about the resolution for, 800X480 is perfectly fine with me, I'd still be very glad if the meego phone has all the other specs that was stated like the yummy dual core
techngro
2010-07-28, 02:26
Um...so what was the news anyway? I stopped browsing on page 4 of this thread.
sjgadsby
2010-07-28, 02:28
Now I don't know about you, but I can't see the individual pixels on my N900 no matter how close I am.
Regardless, for the purpose of this thread the screens of the previous Maemo devices would serve better as reference points. How do you find their ~4-inch, 800x480 screens?
there is no fallacy whatsoever. I zoomed in to the image you posted it is still readable though not pretty but you completely missed the point. lets say we go to 600ppi there will be a uncomfortably small text size where even 600ppi suffers the same fate correct? so since you have already agree that a text size of <1 mm is daft what use is an even smaller achievable text size. you say diagrams, but surely they can scale too and they do. so at the end of the day it's about the pixel size being below a threshold and as I clearly stated "IMO" that threshold has already been passed to be of any practical use. what I would rather have is larger size and higher resolution not just dpi, it can remain the same or even reduce a little for all I care.
I know the internet loves car analogies so I'll give one, it's like complaining about the top speed of a good car, say a ferrari because there is a veyron yet you have a top speed limit of 70mph anyway. completely irrational IMO. The chase for higher ppi is exactly that, a chase for a higher number with no practical purpose. increase screen size and resolution, fine, but to aim for higher ppi to me seems daft.
imperiallight
2010-07-28, 03:04
Lets think about the phones/MID's I have owned at 800x480px over the past two years:
Xperia X1, HD, HD2, Touch Diamond 2, Touch Pro2, n900, TG01, n800, n810, Archos 5 Android. They range from 3"-5".
All in search of the perfect e-reading and surfing experience so I have a reasonably good idea of what I can be achieved at this resolution and when it becomes limiting.
I would prefer a 4" 960*640 screen over a 5" 800*480 any day, higher PPI REDUCE your need for larger screen sizes while increasing clarity. And given that we are in the mobile arena and need to use the device to make calls, the emphasis on PPI becomes even more apparent.
The 4.3" HD2 has the sweetest size form factor in my experience sans keyboard (but I would want one e.g slim n810 one and replace its D-pad with a trackpad). It could probably house a 4.5" screen by a pure glass face and that would be about my limit of comfort for a handset. 120.7 * 67 mm
funny you should mention that because that's exactly my search too I got a PRS-700 for reading now my samsung q1 was perfect for surfing but battery life was poor so now I have a n900 too for that. That is exactly what I'm trying to say ppi reduces the need for a larger screen but above a threshold what use is it if the text size is now too small to read?
imperiallight
2010-07-28, 03:20
now my samsung q1 was perfect for surfing
I have several pocketable UMPC's as well but as you said the battery life is poor at 5 hrs max and they are rather heavy. And apart from one item I own they could never make it as handsets.
quipper8
2010-07-28, 03:20
ppi is not a necessarily a good comparator in itself
a 1 inch 800x480 screen has an extremely high ppi but is of little use(for a mobile device anyway)
something like the ipad has a 10 inch screen with 1024x768 with a comparatively low ppi, but is quite useful to many nonetheless.
throwaway the ppi
imperiallight
2010-07-28, 03:24
ppi is not a necessarily a good comparator in itself
True, it needs context
Something like the ipad has a 10 inch screen with 1024x768 with a comparatively low ppi, but is quite useful to many nonetheless.
throwaway the ppi
So PPI is a useful discriminator in context.
quipper8
2010-07-28, 03:30
True, it needs context
So PPI is a useful discriminator in context.
yes, only in the context of similar sceen size and human readability, IMO.
slartibartfass
2010-07-28, 03:53
I'm not extremly keen about a high resolution, the N900 is fine for me. But hey, where would we be if we didn't improve our technics?
I remeber in the article aubout the N8's camera they said, they put a 12MP instead of 8MP camera because they wanted to take a step foreward. Thats what I like. If we can do it, why don't we just do it?
Yeah... ultra high ppi doesn't magically enhance your eyesight so you can read small prints from few feet away.. but it does render the detail there for the occasional time you want to eyeball something rather than zoom it close.
Well that brings another point... a quick and intuitive document manipulation system (multitouch gestures, etc) works wonder to lessen the limitations of small screens\low ppi.
I'm not extremly keen about a high resolution, the N900 is fine for me. But hey, where would we be if we didn't improve our technics?
I remeber in the article aubout the N8's camera they said, they put a 12MP instead of 8MP camera because they wanted to take a step foreward. Thats what I like. If we can do it, why don't we just do it?
High MP on a handheld (limited screen size, processing power, throughput, storage, etc) may become a burden then an advantage...
It may take longer to process, slower to store, slower to share, eats more of your limited storage, etc... to what cause? So you can make larger prints from your pictures?
slartibartfass
2010-07-28, 06:49
But still, if we want our phone cameras to replace the digicam someday, at least 12 MP is needed. Of course other things like better objective is more important. We have yet not by far reached the top, not in Megapixels, nor in dpi. Phones and connections will get faster, storage space will grow.
ossipena
2010-07-28, 07:05
at least 12 MP is needed.
how many 68x50cm photos or quad-hd-tvs you have?
e: not even speaking about how possible it is to manufacture a lens that can draw something useful to 12mpix sensor that is smaller than your nail. (compare it to film negative or similar....)
kojacker
2010-07-28, 08:20
Im more than happy with 5MP camera in my mobile phone, that's the sweet spot for me. What I would like however is better and faster image processing.
The 4 row keyboard would be nice though, Im fed up with this blue arrow...
mikecomputing
2010-07-28, 08:23
Oh please. A simple mistake? Who are you trying to fool? (yet again). You run a website. Just like most publications on this planet you feed on naive people who wait with anticipation your overhyped and sensationalized stories. Do you think that all these people who waited for your "amazing leak" had nothing better to do?
You could at least have the decency to admit it was intentional.
cmon stop cry like a boy ;) are you people always read everything on the internet as true facts? if so people really are naive.
there are plenty of liers out tnere.
btw. about the rumored spec. Quilcom cpu on a Nokia phone hmmm I dont thinnk so, as far as i know nokia is using texas. also 1 qb ram probadly false
What a lame guy! I say we stone him. Stoning is still legal in dubai right?
Yaaa Just do it,,,,,,,,,i will put his crying for mercy as a ringtone,how bout stoning pic's as a sliding desktop,,,,,,,this thread is sooo funny.
danramos
2010-07-30, 18:21
Just stop using cellphones and go back to phone booths.
http://thatwillbuffout.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129114249252453097.jpg
So this was a fake?
Can't say it was the first or last to pull this.
Although the specs seem enticing in some regards ... the source isn't a reliable one and some of these changes are too drastic given that the N900 has been indicative of Nokia's direction on the OMAP platform, changing it now is just non-sense. Also I speak for myself when I say I will hold out on the first gen Meego devices, and might as well also hold out on the second-gen as well. My reasoning is I want to see how committed Nokia is to this OS and direction, as the perception as of late is that they shift focus too quickly and have no long-term planning ... I rather miss out on the Meego growing pains, done being Nokia's constant guinea pig. Might regress back to a dumbphone for a bit, like an S40 phone.
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