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sapporobaby
2007-06-22, 19:13
The best thing on that page was the Ron Paul campaign button.
The iPhone and N800 are not comparable and anyone that makes the distinction that they are has a very small grasp on both technologies.
I believe that the n800 and iPhone ARE comparable devices. Both are
intended for mobile use of the internet. Both devices are also capable media players.
Of course the n800 is not a phone but with the price difference you could buy a phone to go with it.
blakboy98
2007-06-22, 20:30
you can compare a monkey to a bird, so what? they are not intended for the same target audience so comparing them is meaningless if your trying put them in the same category.
sapporobaby
2007-06-22, 20:34
One is called phone, one is called tablet. I don't see the comparison. My E61 and N95 can do all the same functions of the N800 and more. Are they comparable? Survey says: Nope. Anyway, before this topic completely comes off the tracks, I am bailing.
I thought about it and you can compare it, just not alone side by side. For instance having the N800 with a standard non-smartphone(a phone that has 3g/edge service that connects to N800) vs having just one device like the iPhone that tries to capture both worlds. So in a way you can compare.
mjparker75
2007-06-22, 20:54
I think the IPhone will be a great device. In fact, it really trumps the N800 in quite a few areas, but not all. In my situation, having a separate phone and N800 makes sense. I don't have much occasion to use my N800 in the car, except when I'm out of town (really the only time I use my cell phone). I can pair them in those situations.
My wife uses our cell phone at home all the time to call her family out of state, and If I had an IPhone, I'd be handing off my toy every time she wanted to call someone. Two devices make sense for me. That doesn't mean my situation won't change in the future, and that the IPhone won't be better for some of us. A year from now, they'll both be obsolete....
Come to think about it, there's another reason not to like the iPhone....
Personal Privacy Invasion of Photo Libraries....
Did you know that any pictures stored on, or taken with, your cellphone are considered the property of the cellphone company you go through? They have the right (if you signed their contract they do) to log on to your phone, view, upload, and keep any photo you have stored on there. With the N800... all of our photos are not on the phone, they are on memory cards.
Who wants our Corporate masters looking over our shoulders into our lives?
This is yet one more strategic move to rob us of even more privacy.
Take care.
Milhouse
2007-06-22, 22:51
Did you know that any pictures stored on, or taken with, your cellphone are considered the property of the cellphone company you go through?
Which carrier has this clause in their contract? To my knowledge it's certainly not the case with carriers in the UK - to be honest, I doubt anyone in this country (UK) would sign a contract with such a clause (assuming they actually read the contract of course!)
I've never seen such a clause discussed on the specialist UK mobile forums so I'm pretty confident it's not in force over here, and good job too as it's an outrageous policy to try and enforce *anywhere*.
Please do not compare a CELL PHONE with an Internet Tablet, 2 totally different products on completely different kinds of platforms even if they share some of the same functionality, much like a motorcyle and a car, you just can't compare the 2... they may get you to the same destination but they are not the same.:eek:
thoughtfix
2007-06-22, 23:47
Apples and oranges, yes - but people who already have contracts with carriers (and who doesn't?) and are considering breaking them to get the iPhone should seriously consider the N800 as an alternative.
The iphone has lots of good software that works.
Competition is over!
The only reasons to choose the N800 over the Iphone I can see are cost and the need for a larger screen.
... Did you know that any pictures stored on, or taken with, your cellphone are considered the property of the cellphone company you go through? They have the right (if you signed their contract they do) to log on to your phone, view, upload, and keep any photo you have stored on there. With the N800... all of our photos are not on the phone, they are on memory cards.
I don't know what cellphone you're using, but mine stores pictures on an SD card, nowhere else.
Even with 1.3 mp camera phones, you just can't store all that many pictures within memory (typically 64M, maybe 128M or so). Some sort of external media is needed.
R.
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The iPhone and N800 are not comparable and anyone that makes the distinction that they are has a very small grasp on both technologies.
Please do not compare a CELL PHONE with an Internet Tablet, 2 totally different products on completely different kinds of platforms even if they share some of the same functionality, much like a motorcyle and a car, you just can't compare the 2... they may get you to the same destination but they are not the same.:eek:
Anyone who fails to see that the iPhone and N800 are competing for the same customer base has a very small grasp on market forces. Anyone who owns an iPhone will not buy an N800 as the feature overlap is too great; and face it, many more people are going to own an iPhone in the first month than have ever owned a Maemo device.
Yes, potentially an N800 + mobile phone can provide the same functionality, but then:
The software is not as polished or (I'm going out on a limb which I feel fairly sturdy on) reliable
The N800 is much bigger (which is both an advantage and disadvantage)
It's not as integrated, or - conversely - it's componentised (again, both a pro and a con)
...
Just because the devices don't overlap 100% in their feature set does not mean they're not competitors.
Similarly the Foleo and the Asus Eee PC when released this summer will be competitors, and ones I will seriously consider getting.
Cheers,
Andrew
PowerUser
2007-06-23, 10:03
The iphone has lots of good software that works.
Competition is over!
Aok, are there anything comparable to Pidgin on iPhone?Or maybe, xchat?And can I even use iPhone to connect to remote host using OpenVPN or maybe, some SSH app will be here?No?What?Developers are only allowed to write some web crap as "software"?Yep, total winner.But n800 is rather resembles PC - if some feature needed you have to install software and got it.iPhone will be just phone, not even smartphone since smart phone means ability to run not lame web crap but a decent applications written in native code so they can run fast enough to decode video for example.Web crap will never have speed enough to decode DIVX on it's own.So, on SMART phones as well as on n800 you can set up NEW player if you dislike built-in one.On iPhone you can not.You're FORCED to stick to "software that works".Without options.Kinda boring device.For example no built-in players will be ever able to compete with mplayer on n800 or TCPMP on palm\PocketPC.Built in players are supporting too few formats.They're toys, even if they're working ok.
sapporobaby
2007-06-23, 10:53
Aok, are there anything comparable to Pidgin on iPhone?Or maybe, xchat?And can I even use iPhone to connect to remote host using OpenVPN or maybe, some SSH app will be here?No?What?Developers are only allowed to write some web crap as "software"?Yep, total winner.But n800 is rather resembles PC - if some feature needed you have to install software and got it.iPhone will be just phone, not even smartphone since smart phone means ability to run not lame web crap but a decent applications written in native code so they can run fast enough to decode video for example.Web crap will never have speed enough to decode DIVX on it's own.So, on SMART phones as well as on n800 you can set up NEW player if you dislike built-in one.On iPhone you can not.You're FORCED to stick to "software that works".Without options.Kinda boring device.For example no built-in players will be ever able to compete with mplayer on n800 or TCPMP on palm\PocketPC.Built in players are supporting too few formats.They're toys, even if they're working ok.
Do you think the owners of iPhones care about SSH, OpenVPN, etc...? They care about having a phone that makes calls, having their music, and some web/native applications. What is hard to grasp about this? They are too different devices. The difference is, one will probably work out of the box with almost no learning curve, 3 second faults, reboot issues, touch screen issues, etc... and the other is still a beta device being sold as a finished product, that happens not to be a phone by the way.
sapporobaby
2007-06-23, 10:57
Anyone who fails to see that the iPhone and N800 are competing for the same customer base has a very small grasp on market forces. Anyone who owns an iPhone will not buy an N800 as the feature overlap is too great; and face it, many more people are going to own an iPhone in the first month than have ever owned a Maemo device.
Cheers,
Andrew
Glad you mentioned market forces. The iPhone will not compete as a direct competitor to the N800. It should be quite obvious why. Can the N800 sync with iTunes, sync contacts, calendars, notes, any syncing at all. Survey says: NO! Feature overlap? Do you mean native, built in features? Last time I looked the iPhone has many more than the N800. The N800 is a build yourself and run it platform, while the iPhone will have them built and sold for users to decide which ones to buy. For the most part this will present the average user with a more logical choice as the applications that run on the iPhone will have been tested, verified and certified as working.
They are two different platforms, looking for two different markets. If a host of N800 users suddenly migrate to the iPhone, this should tell the story about which is a better and more usable platform I would say.
They are two different platforms, looking for two different markets. If a host of N800 users suddenly migrate to the iPhone, this should tell the story about which is a better and more usable platform I would say.
In one paragraph you say they don't compete, and then in the next say N800 users can "migrate to the iPhone".
That means they're competing.
You may think the competition is so utterly in favour of the iPhone to be not worth discussion, but that's not what we're discussing. Your argument adds weight to the initial point that Nokia *can* learn lots from the iPhone and Apple, whether in terms of marketing, UI design or software polish.
sapporobaby
2007-06-23, 14:29
In one paragraph you say they don't compete, and then in the next say N800 users can "migrate to the iPhone".
That means they're competing.
You may think the competition is so utterly in favour of the iPhone to be not worth discussion, but that's not what we're discussing. Your argument adds weight to the initial point that Nokia *can* learn lots from the iPhone and Apple, whether in terms of marketing, UI design or software polish.
I do love your selective selection of my texts to misrepresent my statements. What I said was: If a host of N800 users suddenly migrate to the iPhone, this should tell the story about which is a better and more usable platform I would say. Quite different from what you presume I said. The key word in my statement being "'if". Personally I could not care less if the iPhone, which is a phone and sold as such, outsells the N800, which is an Internet Table and sold as such, thus NO COMPARISON in my book. They are two different devices selling to two different markets which should also be quite easy to see. My argument simply states that there is no comparison between the two devices while you may think that there is. Great. That's your opinion and I am entitled to mine. A comparison would be between the N770 and the N800, or the iPhone against other phones, say the N95 or the E61, but to think that an Internet Tablet is comparable to a phone makes no sense and does not represent a real comparison in my book.
So aflegg you have over 900 posts in this forum do you provide code/development support or work for Nokia ? Just wondering why your backing this up as if it where worthy to be compared with the Iphone...? N800 is not even out of alpha status
sherifnix
2007-06-23, 16:31
Aflegg does contribute. And he is greatly appreciated.
That said, the n800 and iPhone have too much feature crossover. Nokia isn't targeting hackers and programmers. Consumers barely know how to install apps. They will use the built in apps 90% of the time.
sapporobaby
2007-06-23, 16:41
Aflegg does contribute. And he is greatly appreciated.
That said, the n800 and iPhone have too much feature crossover. Nokia isn't targeting hackers and programmers. Consumers barely know how to install apps. They will use the built in apps 90% of the time.
Which consumers are you talking about? The N800 is not a consumer device, and has a very and I mean very limited following, where as the iPhone is marketed as a cross-consumer device. Appealing to young and old, men and women, etc..... Show me where the N800 even comes close to such mass appeal, and please don't use the old tired, "people are stupid and will fall for anything" argument as this can be said about those who purchased the N800.
If you want a iPhone you should probably consider an alternative. Devices like the Sony Ericsson W950i have been out for more than a year. Its got touchscreen, "full-internet browsing", mp3 player, allows third party apps (my brother has tomtom on it and worldmate) and etc. Word of advice, if you have all this already, buying the iPhone for $500-599 will only had a few extra feature, try not to buy it because you can resize photos in a new way and the screen turns when your hand turns (which is what most people are attracted to).. all you doing then by buying this is trying to show off - if thats the main reasons you're buying the phone, I mean really there is nothing that special about this phone, get over this phone already. Oooo, white, silver and shiny finish - give me break. old news.
sapporobaby
2007-06-23, 17:35
If you want a iPhone you should probably consider an alternative.
An alternative to what? There are many people that actually like this device and this seems to be the problem with this particular thread. From the tone of many of the posts here, people that would spend THEIR money on it tend to be looked down upon as "fanboys", "stupid", "Apple maniacs", "susceptible to Apple's evil marketing tactics", etc..... It is their choice, their money and last but not least, their business.
I don't care if it's Nokia/Apple or whoever I just want a handheld device that allows me to have FULL web-browsing and messaging functionality, the ability to make phone calls would be a plus and a nice interface UI is definitely a plus... which is why I use the XP skin on my N800 because it "LOOKS" great.
Price is not the issue if I actually get what I paid for...
Easy to hold case that looks stylish is great to... Do I think I would get an iPhone... probably not... unless of course I play with one and am impressed, so far I am not jumping out of my boots to get one...
All I know is that from my experience of Nokia phones, to my N-gage to my N800... that I have a bad taste in my mouth...
sapporobaby
2007-06-23, 18:30
@Testerj,
More good points. Wasted though I think. I feel the exact same way. I have the N95 and even though it has some issues, I prefer it much, much more to the N800 that I had. I would not even take an N800 if someone was giving it away unless to sell it of course and buy something else.
N800 is not even out of alpha status
I just wonder why this sort of exaggerated statements are necessary.
N800 may have its flaws, but for most of us it is stable, does what it is supposed to do and we are happy with it.
bunzl2000
2007-06-23, 18:57
I am a newbie on here & technology is not my thing, but I just wanted to say that I also love my N800 - but then I don't really have anything else to compare it against. I certainly won't be getting rid of mine anytime soon.
All I will say is it does what I want it to, mainly internet access & the ability to see & chat with my 3 year old daughter when I am away with work.
Well good for you... go join the fanboy club... I haven't found any application thats bug free... when sending emails it doesn't know when to properly capatilize things.. the touch screen works ok some times.. then others it doesn't...
If you think it's a finished product great, maybe I should become a salesperson so I can sell you some bird poop and tell you it's a 3 course meal
maybe I should become a salesperson so I can sell you some bird poop and tell you it's a 3 course meal
Before you become a salesperson, you had better grow up first and learn how to talk with adult people.
Well good for you... go join the fanboy club... I haven't found any application thats bug free... when sending emails it doesn't know when to properly capatilize things.. the touch screen works ok some times.. then others it doesn't...
If you think it's a finished product great, maybe I should become a salesperson so I can sell you some bird poop and tell you it's a 3 course meal
Damn testerj getting a bit testy aren't you. I think its nice to hear that other than tech geeks are enjoying the device. He aight got to be part of no fanboi club to express his good experience with the decvice. Damn - you got issues man.
nascaredd
2007-06-24, 02:41
Everyone of you yentas complaining about the N800 should just go back to your Windows Mobile & Palm devices because we all know how much better they are...LOL
sherifnix
2007-06-24, 03:35
Palm Blazer provides the BEST web experience.
Palm Blazer provides the BEST web experience.
ha. don't make me laugh. LOL. to late.
the i-phone was made for girls
so let the ladies have their fun
sherifnix
2007-06-24, 04:32
The N800. Strong enough for a woman, PH balanced for a man.
NokNok770
2007-06-24, 06:18
iphone is a phone, hence the name. nokia internet tablet is...well an internet tablet. Stop comparing.
iphone is a phone, hence the name. nokia internet tablet is...well an internet tablet. Stop comparing.
ok. ok people - if you going to post a message read the whole post and stop saying the same sh*t. we know what people have said already, and we choose to agree or disagree, but unless you have anything new or useful to say then this post is closed!!
NokNok770
2007-06-24, 06:37
1. phone
2. internet
sapporobaby
2007-06-24, 09:09
iphone is a phone, hence the name. nokia internet tablet is...well an internet tablet. Stop comparing.
I made the same comparison about 2 pages ago and you still have people wanting to compare. Your posts, while true and factual, are wasted on those that see only what they want to see.
bunzl2000
2007-06-24, 11:41
Well good for you... go join the fanboy club... I haven't found any application thats bug free... when sending emails it doesn't know when to properly capatilize things.. the touch screen works ok some times.. then others it doesn't...
If you think it's a finished product great, maybe I should become a salesperson so I can sell you some bird poop and tell you it's a 3 course meal
Never said it was a finished product I said it did what I wanted it to do for me, with no problems. :p
It's funny how people expect a $350 device (N800) to be all end all device. My brother just bought new GPS for his car, paid $500+ and it doesn't even play music. My GPS has bigger screen, and I can do a lot more on it and I paid $550 (N800+Navicore).
I'd say sure, as a pub conversation, the iPhone and N800 are comparable, but just the price difference (price of the iPhone + 2 year contract) puts these two devices in two different categories.
At least in US people have gotten used to paying little or nothing for their phone. Even with all the shinny icons, It's going to be a hard sell for Apple to get _masses_ to buy into it. Sure there will be following, and yes it will be bigger then the one N800 has, but iPhone is not going to take over the world. The only way this could happen is for Apple to offer it for $99 plus 2yr contract. Thats how Motorola did it with RAZR. Thats how we buy our phones in the US. And yes, there are people who can buy N95 for $800 (I wish I was one of them) but they are the tiny minority.
sapporobaby
2007-06-24, 13:45
It's funny how people expect a $350 device (N800) to be all end all device. My brother just bought new GPS for his car, paid $500+ and it doesn't even play music. My GPS has bigger screen, and I can do a lot more on it and I paid $550 (N800+Navicore).
I'd say sure, as a pub conversation, the iPhone and N800 are comparable, but just the price difference (price of the iPhone + 2 year contract) puts these two devices in two different categories.
At least in US people have gotten used to paying little or nothing for their phone. Even with all the shinny icons, It's going to be a hard sell for Apple to get _masses_ to buy into it. Sure there will be following, and yes it will be bigger then the one N800 has, but iPhone is not going to take over the world. The only way this could happen is for Apple to offer it for $99 plus 2yr contract. Thats how Motorola did it with RAZR. Thats how we buy our phones in the US. And yes, there are people who can buy N95 for $800 (I wish I was one of them) but they are the tiny minority.
Hmmmm...... Considering Apple is selling a boat load of iPods pretty much the same way the are selling the iPhone, I would say that your supposition is way off. To compare an iPhone to an N800 is once again proof (in my opinion) that the US is immature when it comes to moblie telephony. The RAZR was a big hit with women who wanted a small compact, colorful device that did not do very much and had rudimentary features that were already prevalent in European and Japanese handsets. The iPhone will sell based on hype, ease of use, feature sets, and a reliability factor (this has not been proven yet but considering the failure rates of other devices, the iPhone should hold up well), integration with iTunes. People forget that the killer app that made the iPod was iTunes. With seamless integration and a duplicated ease of use, the iPhone will be viewed as an extension to those that have an iPod but want to have a phone with them as well as a device for the MASS CONSUMER MARKET which the N800 is not nor ever will be.
Before you become a salesperson, you had better grow up first and learn how to talk with adult people.
Well it was clearly a joke... except for the "alpha" part, I stand by my words there...
I don't mind responding in an adult manner as long as my comments are responded to accordingly, if someone speaks to me like a child I have every right to respond that way to... Really I may not respect the status of the N800, it simply does what I purchased it for but I expected it to be in a more Finished state, it's not against the programmers or anything they make my life alot better, it is in fact my problem with Nokia not spending enough time and probably money to support the programmers in making this an effective device, are they really supporting you open source people as much as it looks? cause it doesn't seem that way...
Hmmmm...... Considering Apple is selling a boat load of iPods pretty much the same way the are selling the iPhone, I would say that your supposition is way off. To compare an iPhone to an N800 is once again proof (in my opinion) that the US is immature when it comes to moblie telephony. The RAZR was a big hit with women who wanted a small compact, colorful device that did not do very much and had rudimentary features that were already prevalent in European and Japanese handsets. The iPhone will sell based on hype, ease of use, feature sets, and a reliability factor (this has not been proven yet but considering the failure rates of other devices, the iPhone should hold up well), integration with iTunes. People forget that the killer app that made the iPod was iTunes. With seamless integration and a duplicated ease of use, the iPhone will be viewed as an extension to those that have an iPod but want to have a phone with them as well as a device for the MASS CONSUMER MARKET which the N800 is not nor ever will be.
I don't think so. Cell phone industry today is different then mp3 player industry was when iPod came. There is abundance of cheap/free phones that already do a lot of what iPhone does. Granted not as shiny as iPhone. But my BB Pearl was free! And it has all the features I need in a phone, email, web, chat, news, stocks, weather, games, music, video...
Again, yes, Apple will sell iPhones, no it will not take over the world. There is a big difference between the two. Apple groupies would like us to believe the latter. I don't buy it. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't too.
sherifnix
2007-06-24, 15:41
You're kidding yourself if you don't think nokia wants this to be a consumer device.
sapporobaby
2007-06-24, 16:15
You are kidding yourself if you think it is.
sherifnix
2007-06-24, 17:48
I didn't say _I_ think its a consumer device. I said Nokia wants this to be a consumer device.
A cross-over device like the iPhone will eliminate Nokia's target market.
If your iPhone is sitting on the coffee table in front of you, and it can visit the same sites just as well, then you wouldn't think of purchasing an N800.
You have to assume the iPhone is just the beginning. If it reaches critical mass and we're all walking around with browsers in our pocket for $299, who is going to want an N800?
Someone will just write web applications to provide the geek stuff like ssh, vnc, etc...
sapporobaby
2007-06-24, 18:22
I didn't say _I_ think its a consumer device. I said Nokia wants this to be a consumer device.
A cross-over device like the iPhone will eliminate Nokia's target market.
If your iPhone is sitting on the coffee table in front of you, and it can visit the same sites just as well, then you wouldn't think of purchasing an N800.
You have to assume the iPhone is just the beginning. If it reaches critical mass and we're all walking around with browsers in our pocket for $299, who is going to want an N800?
Someone will just write web applications to provide the geek stuff like ssh, vnc, etc...
My misunderstanding, but you are 100000000% correct. The N800's days are numbered if the iPhone gets any traction.
If your iPhone is sitting on the coffee table in front of you, and it can visit the same sites just as well, then you wouldn't think of purchasing an N800.
I wouldn't think I would do any serious surfing with an iphone, 480x320 is just ridiculous.
Basically, this is still a phone with a music player - not much more.
sherifnix
2007-06-24, 19:44
Rider... its a 3.5 inch screen, and unlike the N800 (for now) it has a very smooth scaling and scrolling mechanism.
I do have faith that Nokia will step up the refresh rate on our tablets, so that should help a bit when doing heavy scrolling.
Rider... its a 3.5 inch screen, and unlike the N800 (for now) it has a very smooth scaling and scrolling mechanism.
Actually, the "optimized view" of the N800 opera has also very smooth and clever scaling. Not sure if the iPhone has something similar.
One should note that the iPhone has not much more than half of the resolution of the N800. This makes a big difference. Even if the handling, as the Apple demonstration video shows, is very slick, you don't want to scroll forward and backward all the time just to be able to watch some web page. It is very clumsy in the long run.
I can imagine the iPhone is a fine gadget for quick and short internet usage. Like checking (not writing) your mails, check a stock quote or the weather. But I doubt that more sophisticated interaction is really viable. I wouldn't want to do some internet banking with such a small screen.
What people will do with the iphone is: phone :), SMS/short mails, listen to music, maybe watch a video or youtube. Not much more I suppose.
Karel Jansens
2007-06-24, 20:14
One should note that the iPhone has not much more than half of the resolution of the N800. This makes a big difference.
In fact, the iPhone's (<spit!>) screen resolution is less than half of the N800's.
iPhone (<spit!>): 480x320
N800: 800x480
Boojah! :D
In fact, the iPhone's (<spit!>) screen resolution is less than half of the N800's.
iPhone (<spit!>): 480x320
N800: 800x480
Boojah! :D
Yep, you are right, Karel :)
I suggest that everybody here makes a test: Resize your browser to 480x320 and then start browsing and scrolling, and see how long it will be that you are heavily annoyed.
Oh yes, I just read another disadvantage of the iPhone: while it has bluetooth, a BT GPS mouse cannot be connected. Happy google mapping then :)
sapporobaby
2007-06-24, 21:11
Yep, you are right, Karel :)
I suggest that everybody here makes a test: Resize your browser to 480x320 and then start browsing and scrolling, and see how long it will be that you are heavily annoyed.
Oh yes, I just read another disadvantage of the iPhone: while it has bluetooth, a BT GPS mouse cannot be connected. Happy google mapping then :)
You act as though the N800 made full screen scrolling possible. Here's a clue for you. The iPhone is a PHONE. It has internet capabilities, and a few other features that the N800 can not come close to matching, and guess what? It has a phone. How about this, turn off the BT and wifi on your N800 and go to www.cnn.com. Write back and let us know how long it took you to get there. In case you missed it, the iPhone is a phone/media device while the N800 is, well, uhhhh a device (sort of).
WOW. All this consumer market, consumer device talk... It could easily be a consumer market product, but people are just plain right lazy, they so stuck in their own little bubble, the america way... the fast lane, fast food etc. Use your brain consumer market people, we all have one. It doesn't take a life time to learn the N800 and basic functions of Linux. I could teach my girlfriend the mer basics of Linux and bash commands but I know she wouldn't care to learn it, its the american way for most people...LAZY!! - even if the N800 was comparable and better they still wouldn't learn it. Mentality: I'm going to limited my knowledge just because everything has been spoon fed to me already. Mmmm Fast food - quick gratification. Go get your spell checker and point and click mass/consumer market. this world is getting dumber and dumber and lazier and lazier. sorry, the truth hurts a little. :) Go ride a bicycle fat a*s.
sapporobaby
2007-06-24, 21:35
Not sure to whom you where directing your comment at however, have you stopped to consider that many people purchase these devices to work out of the box. It has nothing to do with learning the device, but just the fact of using it. People have more on their minds than wanting to learn SSH, or BASH. In my case it has nothing to do with learning Linux or the N800, I simply do not have the time or the inclination. I have quite a bit of technical stuff (AN-GSC 39, or AN-FSC 78, Scream 50/100) in my daily life, and the last thing I need is a crash prone (used to be), user unfriendly (sorry the truth hurts here as well), application anemic (depends on what you view as important) device. I need something that works (for the most part) out of the box.
Of course it's nice to have a shell, to have ssh, VNC and other more sophisticated things.
But they are not necessary to operate the N800. Even if I know Linux/Unix better than English, I'm not too keen to have a shell on my N800. And most people perfectly live without it too.
The iPhone is certainly a nice device. Less heavy compared to a N800+simple mobile phone. And just one charger. But what you can basically do with an iPhone is much less than what you can do with an N800. You are much more limited regarding applications, its smallish screen which is good for WAP, but not WWW.
Does the iPhone have a pdf-viewer? I believe not. Big drawback, how do you read your ebooks then? But even if it had one, the small screen resolution would again be the obstacle.
sapporobaby
2007-06-24, 22:12
Does the iPhone have a pdf-viewer? I believe not. Big drawback, how do you read your ebooks then? But even if it had one, the small screen resolution would again be the obstacle.
I think they are hoping you buy audiobooks instead. :)
sherifnix
2007-06-24, 22:14
Of course it's nice to have a shell, to have ssh, VNC and other more sophisticated things.
But they are not necessary to operate the N800. Even if I know Linux/Unix better than English, I'm not too keen to have a shell on my N800. And most people perfectly live without it too.
The iPhone is certainly a nice device. Less heavy compared to a N800+simple mobile phone. And just one charger. But what you can basically do with an iPhone is much less than what you can do with an N800. You are much more limited regarding applications, its smallish screen which is good for WAP, but not WWW.
Does the iPhone have a pdf-viewer? I believe not. Big drawback, how do you read your ebooks then? But even if it had one, the small screen resolution would again be the obstacle.
It has pdf, excel, word and ppt viewers. The browser itself is more refined and feature filled than mobile opera.
Two different animals I say.
I believe the iPhone is yet another device developed to generate revenue for Apple. Simple azat. :)
It will provide features that will lead the user to con$umable information from the makers revenue stream.
The N800 was presented in just the opposite way IMHO. Nokia has given us an amazing collection of hardware for a reasonable price with no more expectations from it's users other than to... go and figure out what you can do with it.
If anything the iPhone may steer more users toward an Internet Tablet once they see the value in portable web surfing.
The differences in screen resolutions between the two devices are like the differences between cotton and silk. Both fabrics can be died the exact same color but that color will have more depth and look much more vibrant on silk.
sapporobaby and Rider
It will apparently have Micorsoft Office and pdfviewer
http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-devices/news/2007/06/25/iPhone-Will-Have-Office-Functionality/p1
sapporobaby
2007-06-25, 00:09
sapporobaby and Rider
It will apparently have Micorsoft Office and pdfviewer
http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-devices/news/2007/06/25/iPhone-Will-Have-Office-Functionality/p1
Cool. Thanks.
I will be looking out for when it hits Europe. I need that 3G/HSDPA. :)
sapporobaby and Rider
It will apparently have Micorsoft Office and pdfviewer
http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-devices/news/2007/06/25/iPhone-Will-Have-Office-Functionality/p1
WOW! I concede...
sapporobaby
2007-06-25, 01:04
WOW! I concede...
I have the feeling that Apple is going to be dropping a ton of "feature bombs" before they release the phone.
sachin007
2007-06-25, 05:07
i dont understand what all the fuss is all about??
The i phone does not have anything new except for the toch screen interface... It is just another way of apple cashing in on the ignorance of most of the americans. The mobile market in america is so ******ed... That apple is advertising its so called features which have been used by the asians atleast 1 year back. I feel so frustrated by the ignorance of most of the people who think that the i phone is worth the 500 $ and the contract. Nokiazis really a wonderful company. I never saw a nokia product over priced. Most of its products are actually underprized for the things they could do. But this stupid apple overprises every one of its products. And i find it frustrating when people go on buying them. But i guess i will have to live with it. I will support nokia till my death. I just love the things nokia prodicts do....,,,that too with
minimum of fuss. I will never buy an apple product.t.t.
I have the feeling that Apple is going to be dropping a ton of "feature bombs" before they release the phone.
It is nice that you acknowledge that a pdf-viewer is a "feature bomb" :D
I'm glad that I have this feature bomb on my N800, and I'm even more glad that I can actually use it because of the 800x480 display - with the iPhone you will normally have to scroll horizontally for each single line.
sapporobaby
2007-06-25, 11:12
It is nice that you acknowledge that a pdf-viewer is a "feature bomb" :D
I'm glad that I have this feature bomb on my N800, and I'm even more glad that I can actually use it because of the 800x480 display - with the iPhone you will normally have to scroll horizontally for each single line.
Dude, you and a select few here in this thread even think there is a comparison between the iPhone and the N800. In my opinion they are apples and oranges. Still fruit, but yield different juices.
When the N800 gets a built in phone, syncs contacts, calendars, not prone to crashing (I will concede that it may not as much now, or hang), can load and sync your songs, then get back to me. Till then, there is no comparison.
Till then, there is no comparison.
You are right. There is no comparison. Get back to me when the iPhone has a properly sized display, has removable SD cards, has ssh access, and can connect to a GPS mouse.
Till then, there is no comparison.
I'd like to ask you all to put some more thought into what you are typing. Please think of the post before you type it out.
Do not read between the lines of what other people type because you may misread the invisible lettering.
Keep the emotion out.
Any software made in the last couple years to read documents has automatic word wrapping.
The only document you still have to scroll with is html. As far as I know.
sapporobaby
2007-06-25, 11:50
You are right. There is no comparison. Get back to me when the iPhone has a properly sized display, has removable SD cards, has ssh access, and can connect to a GPS mouse.
Till then, there is no comparison.
Have we agreed to disagree? Actually I do not disagree on the IT concept. I just disagree on the N800. I am quite sure there will not be any iPhone users screaming over SSH access, or GPS mouse connectivity. The memory card maybe but then again they know what they are getting when they pay for the device. What do you think?
Any software made in the last couple years to read documents has automatic word wrapping.
The only document you still have to scroll with is html. As far as I know.
it is the other way round. HTML can wrap (if the webpage is designed properly)
PDF is device independant and has a fixed format. You need at least 800 pix horizontally to read a PDF, the tiny iPhone screen is in many cases not suitable.
Ok now a carefully measured response.... Think think think...
There is software that will convert PDFs so that it wraps. But you are correct pdfs do not wrap by default. They zoom.
html can wrap, but sites are not generally designed to do so. Hence the current mobile browser madness.
Xhtml handles size quite well. For mobile browsing regardless of screen resolution I collect and surf only sites coded with X...
Or make my own >>> http://home.comcast.net/~fynspy/YoDude_PDA.htm
It is much faster too. :)
The real question is: Aside from auto rotate, could Maemo apps be developed that incorporate iPhone gestures and such?
I agree they are two different things and the main difference is developability (<< new word?)
New apps and conceivably a new OS can be run on a N800 device as they are developed. Development can be independent of the manufacturer.
On the iPhone, not. To get more you need to buy a new phone.
sapporobaby
2007-06-25, 12:47
it is the other way round. HTML can wrap (if the webpage is designed properly)
PDF is device independant and has a fixed format. You need at least 800 pix horizontally to read a PDF, the tiny iPhone screen is in many cases not suitable.
Whoa. This I didn't know. Cool. Does .pdf use SVG or any type of engine to render it smaller? This is just for my own info now. I had no idea about the 800 pix thing with .pdf files.
sapporobaby
2007-06-25, 12:49
Xhtml handles size quite well. For mobile browsing regardless of screen resolution I collect and surf only sites coded with X...
Or make my own >>> http://home.comcast.net/~fynspy/YoDude_PDA.htm
It is much faster too. :)
Surly you jest about your site. It is no fast. It is stupid, ridiculous fast. If I had a few URL's would you mind including them? :)
Surly you jest about your site. It is no fast. It is stupid, ridiculous fast. If I had a few URL's would you mind including them? :)
No problem.
Karel Jansens
2007-06-26, 23:25
Xhtml handles size quite well. For mobile browsing regardless of screen resolution I collect and surf only sites coded with X...
Or make my own >>> http://home.comcast.net/~fynspy/YoDude_PDA.htm
It is much faster too. :)
The real question is: Aside from auto rotate, could Maemo apps be developed that incorporate iPhone gestures and such?
I agree they are two different things and the main difference is developability (<< new word?)
New apps and conceivably a new OS can be run on a N800 device as they are developed. Development can be independent of the manufacturer.
On the iPhone, not. To get more you need to buy a new phone.
Even better: the N800's screen is pressure sensitive, which means that freakishly funky stuff could be developed for it, just to make iPhoners (<spit!>) go green with envy.
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