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Minor thing for most of the readers here, but STT confirmed today that Sport Tracker is coming to N9:
http://www.sports-tracker.com/blog/2011/09/28/sports-tracker-heading-for-meego-and-nokia-n9/
Well we all know who's to blame for this Tizen crap :@. Stupid ****ing Nokia
Sure Nokia is to blame but what were Intel's software and hardware efforts? Where are those tablets and those chips?
Tizen isn't going to change that. Samsung stuck their head in the shits as well and swallowed the bait.
Sure Nokia is to blame but what were Intel's software and hardware efforts? Where are those tablets and those chips?
Tizen isn't going to change that. Samsung stuck their head in the shits as well and swallowed the bait.
Is it even confirmed that samsung, intel etc are behind tizen or is this gonna be another linux distro with 0,000001% market share?
The SUPER OLD relates to the FIRST post in the thread, i thought that much was obvious. Clearly, MOST bugs won't be fixed until the Mango update is mainstream.....just saying.
Firstly, this isn't relevant to this thread. Secondly the FIRST post is not SUPER OLD, as I said, it gets updated. Also if you actually read the thread you will find that NoDo was expected to fix the bugs but didn't, nor did the unnamed update after NoDo so I will not hold my breath for a Mango fix. Not saying that it won't but NoDo went mainstream and fixed almost nothing on the list.
The more I compare and make a value judgement the more I am inclined to keep my n900 till the price of N9 drops where I can see some value,,,, I am thinking $350 by March next year ????
The more I compare, the more I am hoping the launch doesnt get pushed back, and that Ill have my N9 shortly. Thats just me tho.
Just sold my SGS2 which gave me the cash to get the N9. Which is awesome. Also, Im setting up my old N900 atm too, so... theres that :) .
Lindegaard
2011-09-28, 11:48
N9 is fininally here (in Denmark) - in your face, rest of the world :p
I'll be busy playing with this unit some time and then wank, then play, wank!
Thank god my gf is away on a conference in the other end of Denmark ;)
N9 is fininally here (in Denmark) - in your face, rest of the world :p
I'll be busy playing with this unit some time and then wank, then play, wank!
Thank god my gf is away on a conference in the other end of Denmark ;)
Are there any shops in Denmark already where the N9 can be bought right now?
Wow, congratulations Lindegaard :) . This strengthens my belief that the N9 will infact ship on friday and that I will have it early next week.
Feel free to upload some photos, videos, etc, and just your general impressions and things you discover about the phone! I, for one, would love it.
Is anybody here from Norway, Denmark or Sweden who is willing to buy a N9 in the next days and send it to me in Germany? The online stores and operators there are not very helpful, just telling me I need to be resident of their country to be able to order from them... :-(
N9 is fininally here (in Denmark) - in your face, rest of the world :p
I'll be busy playing with this unit some time and then wank, then play, wank!
So unfair mate, so unfair! Is it made in Finland? :mad:
I'm all ears If there's a way to get it shipped to Finland.
abill_uk
2011-09-28, 12:21
The more I compare and make a value judgement the more I am inclined to keep my n900 till the price of N9 drops where I can see some value,,,, I am thinking $350 by March next year ????
AHA someone with some braincells on here :D.
"Sync with iTunes in a few simple steps"
Didnt realise it was possible with n9, this means I can buy onces and then play twice, on an apple device and Nokia N9?
Is this "join them if you can't beat them" for Nokia?
Yes there is but guess what...... you have done nothing but slag me off so now you can go and Fvck off :D
Revenge is soooo sweet sometimes hahahahaha
You 13 years old?
abill_uk
2011-09-28, 12:28
You 13 years old?
Ever heard the saying "what goes around comes around" !!!.
Ever heard the saying "who gives a rats ***, I still just want Lindegaard to give us some more info to excite us for when we get our own N9s"?
Please don't quote abill_uk. :)
I think 80% of people in this thread already got him on ignore.
lysseslukker
2011-09-28, 13:20
# lindegaard
where?
I was down in the 3 shop today, because nokia denmark was there to let you try the n9. sadly the nokia man was gone then i came. but the 3 guy said that they got the n9 friday( 30. sep)
Please don't quote abill_uk. :)
I think 80% of people in this thread already got him on ignore.
Look at the bright side... he's the villain we needed to unite and solidify our resolves...
.... or was that supposed to be Microsoft?
Telenor and Nokia have both confirmed on each respective end that the N9 will ship on friday from Telenors webstore.
\o/
What if abill_uk is really Stephen Elop?
Then he should send a helicopter to me with the N9 for free for all the promowork ive done FOR ****ING FREE for him. AND a N950.
Malaysian reseller with 'cyan' 64GB N9 in stock:
http://www.shoppingdynamic.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=72
$410?! Anybody want to be the guinea pig and place an order for int'l shipment?
What if abill_uk is really Stephen Elop?
That would clearly explain the reasons behind Nokia's puzzling directions lately.
BigBadGuber!
2011-09-28, 14:47
Uhhhhhhhhh.........still no pick up in worldwide interest in N9
http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n9%2C+iphone+5&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=1
BigBadGuber!
2011-09-28, 14:48
abil_uk is a maemo village idiot. Everyone's got one. Give him an N9 and he will be pacified.
Uhhhhhhhhh.........still no pick up in worldwide interest in N9
http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n9%2C+iphone+5&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=1
Google trends? You serious?
shallimus
2011-09-28, 14:57
Google trends? You serious?
BigBadGuber!'s posting history suggests that whether or not trendy stuff is trending on Google trends is extremely important.
Of course, it's a big steaming pile of marketing fluff, but that never stopped anyone :rolleyes:
ajalkane
2011-09-28, 15:00
I thought that Meltemi refers to Nokia's Windows Phone organisation? At least this is how it was interpreted when the first leaked documents containing this name came out.
Edit: link to article containing info about Meltemi: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/27/nokia_cuts_memo/
From what I've pieced together from anonymous sources and hints, is that Meltemi is the "next billion" project. So not the Windows Phone organization. It's the Qt for S40, possibly will have swipe UX.
So even if that doesn't sound too exciting at first, there's still much that is not known. It may surprise us all positively :-).
BigBadGuber!
2011-09-28, 15:00
BigBadGuber!'s posting history suggests that whether or not trendy stuff is trending on Google trends is extremely important.
Of course, it's a big steaming pile of marketing fluff, but that never stopped anyone :rolleyes:
Probably is more relevant in the US than the rest of the world. Everybody googles here.
aironeous
2011-09-28, 15:27
From Meego Forum
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=32403#post32403
Originally Posted by mbo View Post
https://meego.com/community/blogs/im...ats-next-meego
Not one positive comment. Not one. Well played, Intel!
My reply
Wow you're right and most of them seem like developers.
To summarize their negative feedback:
1) The name is horrible and does not sound like an OS name
2) Dropping QT is completely a flunk and fail and too early
3) HTML5 is not ready yet to replace QT (and this OS should keep both)
4) Timing of announcement is suspect as major partner (Samsung) is competitor to Nokia which has the newest meego handset (N9) selling very well and receiving very good reviews.
gryedouge
2011-09-28, 15:28
Am I the only one who is slightly excited about what WP could be in the hands of Nokia if they are allowed to alter some of the user interface through their deal with MS?
Iunno, it could be something solid.
I do know that a number of WP 7 forums are salivating at the chance of getting WP on a nokia phone, they all seem to be tired of HTCs and the like and cant wait for the new WP Nokia phones.
aironeous
2011-09-28, 15:33
LOL at this feedback to Tizen from the thread
https://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/whats-next-meego
Submitted by angryuser on 28 September, 2011 - 03:22.
Gah! There was already web os. Wtf we'll need yet another one? Can't you get a simple idea: if I ever wanted web os, I would already use web os device. But I do _NOT_ want a WEB-ONLY stuff. Why the heck it is not possible to just use meego and write HTML5 apps for it's browser engine, possibly adjusting it to run apps locally and without browser UI?
And LiMo has been always a dead horse. Why someone is so ******ed that he believes that riding a dead horse when there is already failed web OS would lead to success? And do you honestly believe that dev's are such a nuts that you can easily dictate them "whoa, guys, let's abandon Qt and go HTML5, now!". The only problem is that you're trying to do things wrong.
And as for me, I would NEVER need some HTML5-only sh*t and hence I would never write programs for it either. Furthermore, I do not see how this approach is better than Android and I can see how it's worse. So why the hell would I need this, ever? Fsck that!
aironeous
2011-09-28, 15:35
^I like that he speaks his mind^
shallimus
2011-09-28, 15:53
I do know that a number of WP 7 forums are salivating at the chance of getting WP on a nokia phone, they all seem to be tired of HTCs and the like and cant wait for the new WP Nokia phones.
Yeah, no doubt. They're getting the end of the stick which isn't brown and sticky.
Imagine the following:
Yugo corporation has lots of money and has been trying to make a successful car for ages
Audi have been building great cars for ages, but have lost their way quite badly and are floundering
Yugo 'partner' with Audi
All future Audi models will now feature Yugo engines, but will retain Audi floor mats, doorhandles, wing mirrors etc.
You are a Yugo owner/enthusiast
Naturally, you're going to be thrilled!
Not so much the poor suckers who have been waiting for their new R8 though...
Look at the bright side... he's the villain we needed to unite and solidify our resolves...
.... or was that supposed to be Microsoft?
I think there is not any doubt about who's the villain: ELOP!
They have an iPhone4 4 for ~$400. That's a scam.
Agreed... sigh.
So basically "buhu i hate WP because its the reason Meego wont be the next wave"?
shallimus
2011-09-28, 15:59
So basically "buhu i hate WP because its the reason Meego wont be the next wave"?
Um, yeah. I am entirely happy to associate myself with this viewpoint.
Hehehe might be framed slightly askew, but you get my point ;) .
Lets hope Samsung drops android!
meanwhile I will use n9 for a year, after that samsung ala tizen.
Lets hope Nokia drops WP and takes up Meego, while we wish for random things.
There is some new pics of the design for the free app store out.
http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/design
Dunno about the Meego brand though, if it's dead or not.
Edit: Maybe fortizen.org would be a better choice? :D
Will that be something we can use on N9 and install directly from the phone?
Will that be something we can use on N9 and install directly from the phone?
That is the plan yes, but it's not working yet. And there will be both gui and cli (apt-get) clients.
I hope that Nokia change it back to Maemo, I kind of like the name.
mikecomputing
2011-09-28, 17:20
It's funny how things turn around in the press:
http://mashable.com/2011/09/28/tizen/
I thought it was Nokia's strategy which sort of killed meego. Now it's Intel's killing of meego what killed the N9's success. LOL
So what Meego has been dead inside Intel for months! Most active is people behind Meego CE, YES NOKIA EMPLOYERS and thirdparty Nokia consults and hobbyists...
Meego is dead Maemo6 is alive and kicking. IMHO rename MeegoCE too MER or Maemo CE!!!
mikecomputing
2011-09-28, 17:22
Well we all know who's to blame for this Tizen crap :@. Stupid ****ing Nokia
I blame Intel for this mess alsoe.
Where the **** is theyr handsets CPU!?
mikecomputing
2011-09-28, 17:29
From Meego Forum
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=32403#post32403
Originally Posted by mbo View Post
https://meego.com/community/blogs/im...ats-next-meego
Not one positive comment. Not one. Well played, Intel!
My reply
Wow you're right and most of them seem like developers.
To summarize their negative feedback:
1) The name is horrible and does not sound like an OS name
2) Dropping QT is completely a flunk and fail and too early
3) HTML5 is not ready yet to replace QT (and this OS should keep both)
4) Timing of announcement is suspect as major partner (Samsung) is competitor to Nokia which has the newest meego handset (N9) selling very well and receiving very good reviews.
"Over the next couple of months, we will be working very hard to make sure that users of MeeGo can easily transition to Tizen, and I will be working even harder to make sure that developers of MeeGo can also transition to Tizen."
ROTFL! I am sure N9xx CE team are intrested to move over to Tizen. Personally I dont think soo....
I really hope they goes Maemo CE or MER instead!!!
mikecomputing
2011-09-28, 17:32
Lets hope Nokia drops WP and takes up Meego, while we wish for random things.
No better continue with MAEMO6 and future disruption Maemo7!!! and debian packet system!
:cool:
So what Meego has been dead inside Intel for months! Most active is people behind Meego CE, YES NOKIA EMPLOYERS and thirdparty Nokia consults and hobbyists...
Meego is dead Maemo6 is alive and kicking. IMHO rename MeegoCE too MER or Maemo CE!!!
To me it's seems like Nokia fighting for that MeeGo brand backfired a bit. Should have just gone for Maemo, what the MeeGo 1.2 (Harmattan) really is afterall.
That said Nokia has been very quiet about calling the OS a MeeGo other than on it's dev page.
While i don't think anything would have changed on the bigger picture going for MeeGo seems to have created the same result as turning Symbian into open source Symbian Foundation.
Open source not looking good at all on the current light.
No better continue with MAEMO6 and future disruption Maemo7!!! and debian packet system!
:cool:
Well, YLE News tells, that Nokia is actually going announce something tomorrow morning at 10AM local time (Astrum Center, Salo). Instead of Maemo 7 they are probably cutting more jobs in Finland. :(
Source (in Finnish): http://yle.fi/alueet/turku/2011/09/nokian_salon_tyontekijat_huolissaan_torstaiaamun_y llatyskutsusta_2907884.html
Mandibela
2011-09-28, 18:14
Open source not looking good at all on the current light.
I mean really. Was that a surprise? I hoped to see a real good lift for openness following Nokia's lead... But, as always, time will tell.
Some awkward limitations with Mango's WiFi hotspot
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/09/mango-wifi-sharing-to-have-hardware-driver-and-carrier-restrictions.ars
I wonder how N9's WiFi hotspot compares, does it have a 5-person limit like Mango?
Well, YLE News tells, that Nokia is actually going announce something tomorrow morning at 10AM local time (Astrum Center, Salo). Instead of Maemo 7 they are probably cutting more jobs in Finland. :(
Source (in Finnish): c
Nokia has plans to cut 1400 jobs in Finland, so I guess quite many Salo factory workers have to go. Let´s hope not the whole factory :mad:
What stores would that be? The shops here have delivery date the third or so, IIRC.
Lindegaard
2011-09-28, 19:16
Are there any shops in Denmark already where the N9 can be bought right now?
No shops yet.
Two danish carriers will get it friday, but thats it (for now)
I got mine because I know the danish Nokia marketing teamand external consulents (through my job), networking f-cing rocks :D. However it is just temperary, but i'll buy one soon anyway... However if I can have it a month or so i'll probably wait and buy a cyan.
jalyst Today , 08:31 PM
I wonder how N9's WiFi hotspot compares, does it have a 5-person limit like Mango?
The N9 wifi hotspot is just the juikospot, but renamed... I dont know if there is a 5 person limit like mango.
Nokia WILL support MeeGo, just in case there were any doubts:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_promises_continued_software_support_for_n9-news-3194.php
shallimus
2011-09-28, 19:29
Nokia WILL support MeeGo, just in case there were any doubts:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_promises_continued_software_support_for_n9-news-3194.php
Nokia promised to do something good and support MeeGo?
Phew! I was worried they might do the exact opposite until I heard that, but now - probably because Nokia have never crushed my pathetic little dreams before - I'm totally not worried.
:rolleyes:
Lindegaard
2011-09-28, 19:35
^ support is better than no support... But Nokia has made the decision to go for windows and we have to face that nomatter how much we want them to go the meego way, they wont.
# lindegaard
where?
I was down in the 3 shop today, because nokia denmark was there to let you try the n9. sadly the nokia man was gone then i came. but the 3 guy said that they got the n9 friday( 30. sep)
3 will only get 170 units (for sale, im guessing) on friday to their head store. I was supposed to meet the Nokia teams today at 3 strøget but the 170units were delayed in transport, lol, so we just meet at our office. Thats probably also the reason why the Nokia dude went early...
To my knowledge, however, there will be a Nokia dude tomorrow from 14-18.
mikecomputing
2011-09-28, 19:50
Nokia promised to do something good and support MeeGo?
Phew! I was worried they might do the exact opposite until I heard that, but now - probably because Nokia have never crushed my pathetic little dreams before - I'm totally not worried.
:rolleyes:
yes we will get WP update in some weeks YEHA
That would clearly explain the reasons behind Nokia's puzzling directions lately.
Oh man I LOL'd hard.
Comic genuis... :D
Probably is more relevant in the US than the rest of the world. Everybody googles here.
Google? WTH is Google? NM, I'll just Bing it! --->
Uhhhhhhhhh.........still no pick up in worldwide interest in N9
http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia+n9%2C+iphone+5&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=1
Did you expect anything different?
I do know that a number of WP 7 forums are salivating at the chance of getting WP on a nokia phone, they all seem to be tired of HTCs and the like and cant wait for the new WP Nokia phones.
They will be "disappoint"...
At least for the 1st one coming out this yr.
Lindegaard said:
"3 will only get 170 units (for sale, im guessing)"
So many?
ROTFL! I am sure N9xx CE team are intrested to move over to Tizen. Personally I dont think soo....
I really hope they goes Maemo CE or MER instead!!!
In some ways I hope they do too...
Unless Limo/LF/Intel/Samsung rethink their approach, & are more flexible WRT Qt.
I can't help but feel this is politically motivated, I don't buy their "this is the future" linet.
Time will tell I guess....
And what's up with this Limo press statement excerpt:
The initial release of Tizen is targeted for Q1 2012, enabling first devices to come to market in mid-2012.
Source:
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/linux-foundation-limo-foundation-announce-project-tizen/
Do they honestly think they can deliver in that time-frame, do they know something we don't yet?
I got mine because I know the danish Nokia marketing teamand external consulents (through my job), networking f-cing rocks :D. However it is just temperary, but i'll buy one soon anyway... However if I can have it a month or so i'll probably wait and buy a cyan.
The N9 wifi hotspot is just the juikospot, but renamed... I dont know if there is a 5 person limit like mango.
Yeah that Nokia support story's been posted, but good to re-iterate for those that haven't seen.
Can you please post-up as much info. as possible about you N9? K thx! :D
Yeah I know the wifi-hotspot is Joikuspot, just not sure how Joiku compares to Mango's built-in tethering.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoiElMPDSus
Spotted this news, not sure if yet reported:
"Unity Technologies to Bring Union Games to Nokia N9 Mobile Platform"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44705237
Don't know if they have any interesting titles though.
Hydroponies
2011-09-28, 20:23
Lindegaard said:
"3 will only get 170 units (for sale, im guessing)"
So many?
3 seems to have a market share of roughly 10% (bit less maybe) in denmark, so if we extrapolate that figure, we would get about 1'700 for all denmark carriers, and if we keep in mind that denmark has a population of about 5million, we can extrapolate again to get a total of 170'000 phones for the EU (without taking into account the countries that allegedly don't get the N9)
Conclusion: Extrapolating is fun xD
...(but maybe useless)^^
edit: please correct me if the numbers i've based the calculations on are grossly off, i got all of them in a 30s google search :-)
ericsson
2011-09-28, 20:28
soooooooooooon :D
Some weird thoughts went through my head...
I know that Elop and the rest of Nokia knew nothing about the MeeGo folding into Tizen announcement; however they will still try to benefit from by stating that it would not have been beneficial to them. And honestly, they'd be a bit right. Tizen isn't pushing the Nokia purchased Qt upfront. People are up in arms about that, some rightfully so. But the move to HTML5 further supports the anti-Flash (and Adobe AIR) sentiment.
So what will happen now? Will the 2015 statement about support and updates now be invalid? Or will it be further qualified/limited to be just around the Swipe UI/Harmattan?
MeeGo 1.3 was due next month. Now what will happen with that?
Mango was released this week. Maemo was "killed" again this week - the upgrade path to MeeGo was already somewhat muddy, the upgrade path to Tizen is unclear. MeeGo was "killed" this week, rolled into Tizen. And the N9 is still yet to be sold.
If this was engineered, it was engineered only to try to prop up WP7 as the one true future for Nokia. Which, full circle, benefits Elop's decisions.
Samsung going for Tizen, now they're a 4 mobile OS company. Android, WP7, Bada and now Tizen. Tizen isn't ready to replace their Android tablets and phones. I'd love to see a Galaxy S3 with Tizen and see it sell like the Galaxy S2 numbers - 10 million in a couple months. Bada is looking to be future open-sourced. So how does Tizen benefit Samsung? If they they did drop Android, now Microsoft only can charge royalties for WP7, no more for Android.
Thus... Google loses. But as it stands, Android is deeply entrenched into their phones and tablet strategy. In a few weeks, I expect something from Samsung pertaining their tablets - the 7.7 and 8.9 as well as Samsung Note just passed through (or are passing through) FCC right now.
Tizen needs traction. People looking at only Qt as their reason why it will fail, I disagree. Qt Components don't even run equally across Symbian and Maemo/MeeGo. Where's the "run anywhere" mentality? Qt Quick/QML isn't fully supported on the prior Maemo 4.1 - despite an update or two. But then again, that's been settled via MeeGo CE on that platform. But the aforesaid problem still exists.
Android is a source of revenue for Microsoft - vague patents that have yet to be explained in full detail. Samsung is paying Microsoft doubly. Tizen might resolve that, but it's far too early.
And the rest of the anger towards Tizen/Qt - it didn't help MeeGo that Qt was there. MeeGo didn't benefit from Nokia - February 2010, they announced full support. February 2011, they denounced MeeGo, surprising Intel. They've yet to still fully release the N9, and now this happens... there's no upgrade path described from MeeGo 1.2 under Harmattan to Tizen 1.x under Harmattan. So that's now a dead-end, as previously predicted by Elop (in so many words).
Now what is next?
I think they got a bulk deal on those 1Ghz chip, since TI is losing business like whoa. Ironically, they're losing business cuz Nokia is losing business heh.
As long as it performs the way it's meant to perform I have no qualms though
Then it should cost less. TI isn't really losing business - the OMAP 4 + PowerVR is looking like a killer combo, beating quad-core Tegra 3 in most cases... for cheaper.
Performs what you need, today. Sure. But in a few months, people will be looking to overclock it.
don_falcone
2011-09-28, 20:42
Some awkward limitations with Mango's WiFi hotspot
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/09/mango-wifi-sharing-to-have-hardware-driver-and-carrier-restrictions.ars
I wonder how N9's WiFi hotspot compares, does it have a 5-person limit like Mango?
Sounds like the usual Ms.
Best comment:
MS just wants to fail, right?
That's the only reason I can think of for doing EVERYTHING so half arsed.
"Here's this great feature, that pretty much every other phone has had for a year or 2, that if you don't have the RIGHT phone, you'll have to buy another Win7 phone to get. A feature that's software only"
MS really doesn't get the market. No loss in my mind, my 2 year old android phone STILL has a much more advanced feature set then ANY Win7 phone with this update. What a crock.
...half arsed, that's MS' own territory.
mikecomputing
2011-09-28, 20:43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoiElMPDSus
there is NO WAY N9 will only sell 92000 deviices how ****ing stupid would that be with that marketing they doing now :O
btw. big announce in sweden http://www.meegosweden.com/images/stories/n9reklam.jpg
:D
Some weird thoughts went through my head...
I know that Elop and the rest of Nokia knew nothing about the MeeGo folding into Tizen announcement; however they will still try to benefit from by stating that it would not have been beneficial to them. And honestly, they'd be a bit right. Tizen isn't pushing the Nokia purchased Qt upfront. People are up in arms about that, some rightfully so. But the move to HTML5 further supports the anti-Flash (and Adobe AIR) sentiment.
So what will happen now? Will the 2015 statement about support and updates now be invalid? Or will it be further qualified/limited to be just around the Swipe UI/Harmattan?
MeeGo 1.3 was due next month. Now what will happen with that?
Mango was released this week. Maemo was "killed" again this week - the upgrade path to MeeGo was already somewhat muddy, the upgrade path to Tizen is unclear. MeeGo was "killed" this week, rolled into Tizen. And the N9 is still yet to be sold.
If this was engineered, it was engineered only to try to prop up WP7 as the one true future for Nokia. Which, full circle, benefits Elop's decisions.
Samsung going for Tizen, now they're a 4 mobile OS company. Android, WP7, Bada and now Tizen. Tizen isn't ready to replace their Android tablets and phones. I'd love to see a Galaxy S3 with Tizen and see it sell like the Galaxy S2 numbers - 10 million in a couple months. Bada is looking to be future open-sourced. So how does Tizen benefit Samsung? If they they did drop Android, now Microsoft only can charge royalties for WP7, no more for Android.
Thus... Google loses. But as it stands, Android is deeply entrenched into their phones and tablet strategy. In a few weeks, I expect something from Samsung pertaining their tablets - the 7.7 and 8.9 as well as Samsung Note just passed through (or are passing through) FCC right now.
Tizen needs traction. People looking at only Qt as their reason why it will fail, I disagree. Qt Components don't even run equally across Symbian and Maemo/MeeGo. Where's the "run anywhere" mentality? Qt Quick/QML isn't fully supported on the prior Maemo 4.1 - despite an update or two. But then again, that's been settled via MeeGo CE on that platform. But the aforesaid problem still exists.
Android is a source of revenue for Microsoft - vague patents that have yet to be explained in full detail. Samsung is paying Microsoft doubly. Tizen might resolve that, but it's far too early.
And the rest of the anger towards Tizen/Qt - it didn't help MeeGo that Qt was there. MeeGo didn't benefit from Nokia - February 2010, they announced full support. February 2011, they denounced MeeGo, surprising Intel. They've yet to still fully release the N9, and now this happens... there's no upgrade path described from MeeGo 1.2 under Harmattan to Tizen 1.x under Harmattan. So that's now a dead-end, as previously predicted by Elop (in so many words).
Now what is next?
I have no idea what's going to happen next. Personally i have lost all the little faith i had before for open community projects like MeeGo. Never been any kind of open source fanatic so i can enjoy my ipad 2 with no remorse, but always liked strong communities around the device like Maemo had and Android has.
As of N9 support i don't think this affects it in any way? That's how i have always thought about the MeeGo and Harmattan artificial bond. Harmattan is still separate entity from MeeGo and while Nokia's efforts for MeeGo in the end where very little, so are benefits of what MeeGo brought to N9/N950.
Only thing i hope to happen is that Qt and the tools made will still be developed and put in to use be it any company behind them. Same goes for Swipe UI that will certainly stay in Nokia's hands.
mikecomputing
2011-09-28, 20:59
Some weird thoughts went through my head...
I know that Elop and the rest of Nokia knew nothing about the MeeGo folding into Tizen announcement; however they will still try to benefit from by stating that it would not have been beneficial to them. And honestly, they'd be a bit right. Tizen isn't pushing the Nokia purchased Qt upfront. People are up in arms about that, some rightfully so. But the move to HTML5 further supports the anti-Flash (and Adobe AIR) sentiment.
So what will happen now? Will the 2015 statement about support and updates now be invalid? Or will it be further qualified/limited to be just around the Swipe UI/Harmattan?
MeeGo 1.3 was due next month. Now what will happen with that?
Mango was released this week. Maemo was "killed" again this week - the upgrade path to MeeGo was already somewhat muddy, the upgrade path to Tizen is unclear. MeeGo was "killed" this week, rolled into Tizen. And the N9 is still yet to be sold.
If this was engineered, it was engineered only to try to prop up WP7 as the one true future for Nokia. Which, full circle, benefits Elop's decisions.
Samsung going for Tizen, now they're a 4 mobile OS company. Android, WP7, Bada and now Tizen. Tizen isn't ready to replace their Android tablets and phones. I'd love to see a Galaxy S3 with Tizen and see it sell like the Galaxy S2 numbers - 10 million in a couple months. Bada is looking to be future open-sourced. So how does Tizen benefit Samsung? If they they did drop Android, now Microsoft only can charge royalties for WP7, no more for Android.
Thus... Google loses. But as it stands, Android is deeply entrenched into their phones and tablet strategy. In a few weeks, I expect something from Samsung pertaining their tablets - the 7.7 and 8.9 as well as Samsung Note just passed through (or are passing through) FCC right now.
Tizen needs traction. People looking at only Qt as their reason why it will fail, I disagree. Qt Components don't even run equally across Symbian and Maemo/MeeGo. Where's the "run anywhere" mentality? Qt Quick/QML isn't fully supported on the prior Maemo 4.1 - despite an update or two. But then again, that's been settled via MeeGo CE on that platform. But the aforesaid problem still exists.
Android is a source of revenue for Microsoft - vague patents that have yet to be explained in full detail. Samsung is paying Microsoft doubly. Tizen might resolve that, but it's far too early.
And the rest of the anger towards Tizen/Qt - it didn't help MeeGo that Qt was there. MeeGo didn't benefit from Nokia - February 2010, they announced full support. February 2011, they denounced MeeGo, surprising Intel. They've yet to still fully release the N9, and now this happens... there's no upgrade path described from MeeGo 1.2 under Harmattan to Tizen 1.x under Harmattan. So that's now a dead-end, as previously predicted by Elop (in so many words).
Now what is next?
whats next is that "maemo6 harmattan" is stil alive and first PR upgrade around a month after release. atleast what nnokia said today.
also meego core has been dead for months it seems. meegoux inactive but qt-components for harmattan active developed... so nothing new. activite development has been from the Meego 1.3 CE team for n9xx and funny is some of those is actually Nokia employers.
I tried the N9 today.
I couldn't believe it, the browser loaded pages faster than my SGSII.
Sure the test wasn't 100% correct, but it was approximate. But it was on the same network and it was HSDPA speed on both.
The GUI was awesome.
Coolest phone ever.
:)
This phone can definitely compete against the iPhone for the "stupid" mass :)
Some weird thoughts went through my head...
I know that Elop and the rest of Nokia knew nothing about the MeeGo folding into Tizen announcement; however they will still try to benefit from by stating that it would not have been beneficial to them.
It's pretty clear they caused it, if Nokia or anybody else tries to blame a lack of direction on Intel they are very much mistaken. Put yourself in Intels shoes. You partner with Nokia who then out of the blue kills its support for it. This leads the general public to believe Meego=Nokia and Nokia dropping support means Meego is a dead platform. what should Intel do?
1) Rebranding
You now have no handset partner. What do you do?
2) Approach the biggest you can, Samsung
Samsung negotiate to include aspects of thier linux mobile OS LiMo. Qt becomes something that does not benefit Samsung or Intel directly so it's not compulsory but is not closed to it.
3) Tizen is born
<SNIP>Samsung negotiate to include aspects of thier linux mobile OS LiMo.
Qt becomes something that does not benefit Samsung or Intel directly so it's not compulsory but is not closed to it.
3) Tizen is born
Well thought out, and pretty-much agreed.
I think Intel still has some liability in it all, but that's a whole other debate.
Re this:
so it's not compulsory but is not closed to it.
Do we have any info. to suggest that Qt will/can still play a big role?
I haven't had a chance to read any of the big threads etc yet.
I really do hope so, at least for the first year or so...
There were also rumours recently that Samsung's planning to open Bada.
Is it feasible perhaps that they may also merge Bada's upper/middle-ware into Tizen?
Bada's kernel I believe is closed/proprietary, & not owned by Samsung.
But apparently Bada was designed from the outset to be easily decoupled from the kernel.
It just seems logical at this pont that they consolidate the no. of OS's they're working on.
whats next is that "maemo6 harmattan" is stil alive and first PR upgrade around a month after release. atleast what nnokia said today.
That will invariably cover any updates, stability and issue fixes for Qt components/Qt Quick/QML. That's all that I read in that statement.
also meego core has been dead for months it seems. meegoux inactive but qt-components for harmattan active developed... so nothing new. activite development has been from the Meego 1.3 CE team for n9xx and funny is some of those is actually Nokia employers.
Dead? Not when there was a looming update.
This phone can definitely compete against the iPhone for the "stupid" mass :)
That's if they can find one. I suggest this song as the backing for the next N9 ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQnHAb_6sOs
Woah Mexico
It sounds so simple I just gotta go
Nobody sells the N9 close to home
I guess I gotta go now
whats next is that "maemo6 harmattan" is stil alive and first PR upgrade around a month after release. atleast what nnokia said today.
Where have they officially said 1st major release/update (PRx.x) is coming 1mth after N9 availability?
somedude
2011-09-28, 21:49
so gerbick any word on the 64gb Mexican N9?
mikecomputing
2011-09-28, 21:53
It's pretty clear they caused it, if Nokia or anybody else tries to blame a lack of direction on Intel they are very much mistaken. Put yourself in Intels shoes. You partner with Nokia who then out of the blue kills its support for it. This leads the general public to believe Meego=Nokia and Nokia dropping support means Meego is a dead platform. what should Intel do?
1) Rebranding
You now have no handset partner. What do you do?
2) Approach the biggest you can, Samsung
Samsung negotiate to include aspects of thier linux mobile OS LiMo. Qt becomes something that does not benefit Samsung or Intel directly so it's not compulsory but is not closed to it.
3) Tizen is born
so where was Intels handset HW again!? remember there is two sides of this mess. Bussiness as usual. Intel is NOT a good guy in this mess... Both company failed from day one...
so gerbick any word on the 64gb Mexican N9?
While at it, anybody from Nor or Swe know a shop from where i can get N9 for next week?
mikecomputing
2011-09-28, 22:00
Where have they officially said 1st major release/update (PRx.x) is coming 1mth after N9 availability?
maybe not exactly a month but "short after release". infact it was a link posted in this thread :) (to lazy go back check... but posted today...)
Oh yeah, I think I recall the one you're talking about now.
"Shortly after release" could mean anything with Nokia though :rolleyes:
Lindegaard
2011-09-28, 22:20
Can you please post-up as much info. as possible about you N9? K thx! :D
sure, no problem - but I dont know what to write. I've only just set up my emails (i dont use mail for exchange, so i dont know if that works as it should), but my gmail and hotmail seems to be working ok.
writing mails, sms ect is fine. Pictiures are great - maybe I should do a comparison with my Nokia N8 and maybe the iphone4.
I haven't tried installing that many apps and frankly i dont know if the Nokia store is lacking anything the symbian devices have...
I couldn't find moodagent but i'll live and its made available for webos so why not meego? Maybe im just blind..
I'm not that much of a dev and my usage is probably like the average smartphone user. Some certain apps you use a lot, some browsing (working great btw), music, sms, mail ect. I saw Sportstracker have made their app for meego which is great as i use it often - however my music is still on my N8 and i've got a hardcover mounted on my bike so I havent tested that.
all in all, my gf's iphony4 is acting as if it were designed in 2007 compared to this 2011 model. ;)
- so nothing new :D
Lindegaard
2011-09-28, 22:24
While at it, anybody from Nor or Swe know a shop from where i can get N9 for next week?
With contract it shouldn't be a problem in Denmark, without is probably more difficult...
danramos
2011-09-28, 22:26
So that Nokia does not have any influence over Tizen. Qt had to go to hurt Nokia.
Are you sure it isn't for far more cross-platform compatibility and web-leaning services? Not that Nokia doesn't deserve to get hurt after some of the pain they've caused everyone else.
It's rather trivial I know, but where the heck do they come up with these names??
Can't they be a bit more creative, something that embodies the ethos & the nature of their work?
Why does it have to be weird abstract names like: Maemo/MeeGo/Tizen for chrisakes, LOL.
Yeah! Why couldn't they name it something that embodies a beautiful scene and implies something lovely to cover the stink of the other dead OS's it was based on? Like say... Vista? ;)
Not sure why you're trying to justify the fact that you only posted what you posted JUST to bash microsoft. It makes you look more fanboyish than usual ;) You could've just as easily posted a review...and there are many more easily found.
Let's deal with your hate a little bit: There's no need to make it sound like a personal attack and no need to make it personal by finding ways to dismiss the argument (i.e. "you're just a fanboi"). :)
You're equating my replying to a long list of criticism on Windows Phone 7 with a link to a URL with a much longer list of criticism... bashing? You're basically arguing that bugtraq and customer support forums are nothing more than a means to bashing and have no constructive or communicative nature. I can't agree with that, but we can agree to disagree, then. More importantly your final sentence bolsters the point that there is much to criticize in the plenty of critical reviews to be found "bashing" or criticizing Windows Phone 7--thusly making my point, but then why should I post a BUNCH of reviews when I had ONE URL listing off a far more objective list of bugs and problems with far less personal "opinion" points? Settle down. This isn't something worth arguing over. I replied to him and there's no need for you to get involved in this particular conversation unless you had something to offer. Admittedly, you tried--although I don't think you really read through the forum thread, but you tried to make some points. Good effort.
danramos
2011-09-28, 22:37
Let's play that game where you make new words by changing one letter at a time:
Tizen
Tizer
Tazer
Taser - is what I'd like to use on Eflops scrotum.
Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ#t=2m
i'm really eager to see what comes out of this Tizen (eleven in Hungarian. what's up with that?) but I'm not holding my breath. I would be surprised if they ever release a handset with this in it. Intel's handset chips are so far behind arm right now and Samsung has already failed once with LiMo.
Tizen may mean "eleven" in Hungarian, but when it's phonetically spoken outloud the English word "teasin'" (teasing) comes to mind. I guarantee you that will become a wordplay in the press that won't look good for the new OS (the way "Ovi" went over very badly with English and Latin-derived languages speaking countries). They really should reconsider the name. Quickly.
so gerbick any word on the 64gb Mexican N9?
Zero on the 64gb. 16gb, I got a final price on it with a discount worked out for the most part. Also found out that Cyan might not be making an appearance in Mexico initially - just Black and Magenta.
And yes... I'm annoying folks in Mexico City daily to find out more.
The whole Tizen thing is actually a bit funny because Nokia whined a long time before they were allowed to call Harmattan Meego. :D I bet qgil and other Nokia dudes didn't see this coming. Or anyone else for that matter.
Now what's next? The N9 being delayed a few more weeks because they must make new boxes marked "Tizen 1.2 Harmattan". :D
The more abstract these names are getting, the harder the sell happens to be... I wonder if they'd notice that and think differently.
Maemo? May-mo. Tizen? Tie-zhen? Teasing?
Seriously? It's as bad as half the tools we use... sed, awk, grep, git, capistrano... those words do not give normal people comfort in daily usage. Hell, Ubuntu, Fedora, SuSe and even Monad (powershell), seem to steer people from comfort to overly technical talk in mere moments.
Android is now accepted. iPhone is now accepted as well - even iOS is somewhat in line with their iSomething philosophy. But MeeGo? Maemo? Any of the above? They seem to make it seem like it's a geek only area in discussion.
Branding needs to think about that before naming it something that sounds all complicated and you actually need to read a manual, read online forums that are so against any n00bs and constantly berate folks for "not doing your research" (sounds familiar?) and what not.
Even Bada is cheapened by its name. It sounds like a half-excited Tony Soprano extra in a badly scripted scene.
Tizen? I don't hate the name. But I like it less than MeeGo and I truly disliked it. But at least it's not LiMo, which looks like limo as in the stretched car; how is said by many folks like Lee-mo.
Oh boy, and there was SavaJe. Seriously... these names geeks pull out for their favorite platforms put it at a marketing disadvantage.
somedude
2011-09-28, 23:05
Zero on the 64gb. 16gb, I got a final price on it with a discount worked out for the most part. Also found out that Cyan might not be making an appearance in Mexico initially - just Black and Magenta.
And yes... I'm annoying folks in Mexico City daily to find out more.
i am sure plenty of folks will join and you could get better pricing on bulk order, as ysss also mentioned i am more interested in the 64gb after seeing how much user storage is available. i like to keep my pictures in phone and not delete or move it somewhere and with the 8mpx and so low storage for user that might be difficult. I love how iphone can sync with my iphoto worth 38gb of pictures and still manage to transfer all while only taking up 11gb. hope nokia link is somewhat capable of doing so.(i dont care about the quality of picture on phone screen as long as its not grainy or look pixalated due to over compression)
danramos
2011-09-28, 23:09
Yeah, no doubt. They're getting the end of the stick which isn't brown and sticky.
Imagine the following:
Yugo corporation has lots of money and has been trying to make a successful car for ages
Audi have been building great cars for ages, but have lost their way quite badly and are floundering
Yugo 'partner' with Audi
All future Audi models will now feature Yugo engines, but will retain Audi floor mats, doorhandles, wing mirrors etc.
You are a Yugo owner/enthusiast
Naturally, you're going to be thrilled!
Not so much the poor suckers who have been waiting for their new R8 though...
I, for one, look forward to purchasing my new Yugo R8 soon. I trust it will be inexpensive, look incredibly beautiful and that the engine will barely be able to move the body when there's anything more than one American-sized driver sitting in a seat.
Windows Phone 7 is so cute. It's tryyyying!
Samsung going for Tizen, now they're a 4 mobile OS company. Android, WP7, Bada and now Tizen.
Don't forget that Samsung has been talking up rumors about dropping Windows Phone 7. If nothing else, this might be leverage somehow--or maybe they're genuinely considering growing past Android and into something more desktop-powerful on efficient processors for mobile laptops and tablets that Android might not quite satisfy. Just brainstorming based on these various rumors and confirmed revelations together. I sincerely doubt they'll drop Android on handsets and tablets, in any case... at least not in the foreseeable future.
Tizen needs traction. People looking at only Qt as their reason why it will fail, I disagree. Qt Components don't even run equally across Symbian and Maemo/MeeGo. Where's the "run anywhere" mentality? Qt Quick/QML isn't fully supported on the prior Maemo 4.1 - despite an update or two. But then again, that's been settled via MeeGo CE on that platform. But the aforesaid problem still exists.
Android is a source of revenue for Microsoft - vague patents that have yet to be explained in full detail. Samsung is paying Microsoft doubly. Tizen might resolve that, but it's far too early.
And the rest of the anger towards Tizen/Qt - it didn't help MeeGo that Qt was there. MeeGo didn't benefit from Nokia - February 2010, they announced full support. February 2011, they denounced MeeGo, surprising Intel. They've yet to still fully release the N9, and now this happens... there's no upgrade path described from MeeGo 1.2 under Harmattan to Tizen 1.x under Harmattan. So that's now a dead-end, as previously predicted by Elop (in so many words).
Now what is next?[/QUOTE]
The whole Tizen thing is actually a bit funny because Nokia whined a long time before they were allowed to call Harmattan Meego. :D I bet qgil and other Nokia dudes didn't see this coming. Or anyone else for that matter.
Now what's next? The N9 being delayed a few more weeks because they must make new boxes marked "Tizen 1.2 Harmattan". :D
http://www.netbooknews.com/wp-content/2011/09/meegodead-195x129.jpg
Tizen? I don't hate the name. But I like it less than MeeGo and I truly disliked it. But at least it's not LiMo, which looks like limo as in the stretched car; how is said by many folks like Lee-mo.
Tizen is an incredibly unfortunate name to market. It WILL be abused. LiMo would have been worse--FAR too easy to mangle it as 'lame-o' in the hearts and minds of someone who's just hearing about the name for the first time. I know it's the first thing I misread it as when I came across it the first time--and sometimes again even now. I'm in total agreement with you on this.
i am sure plenty of folks will join and you could get better pricing on bulk order, as ysss also mentioned i am more interested in the 64gb after seeing how much user storage is available. i like to keep my pictures in phone and not delete or move it somewhere and with the 8mpx and so low storage for user that might be difficult. I love how iphone can sync with my iphoto worth 38gb of pictures and still manage to transfer all while only taking up 11gb. hope nokia link is somewhat capable of doing so.(i dont care about the quality of picture on phone screen as long as its not grainy or look pixalated due to over compression)
I have a short list of folks I'll be updating via PM when I get a definite on everything. I've seen pics of the boxes, I've made my request for a few, might even be taking a trip down there - my "bro" is pulling me down there anyway, so win-win - and I'd rather have everything concrete before I say one way or the other.
The more abstract these names are getting, the harder the sell happens to be... I wonder if they'd notice that and think differently.
Maemo? May-mo. Tizen? Tie-zhen? Teasing?
Seriously? It's as bad as half the tools we use... sed, awk, grep, git, capistrano... those words do not give normal people comfort in daily usage. Hell, Ubuntu, Fedora, SuSe and even Monad (powershell), seem to steer people from comfort to overly technical talk in mere moments.
Android is now accepted. iPhone is now accepted as well - even iOS is somewhat in line with their iSomething philosophy. But MeeGo? Maemo? Any of the above? They seem to make it seem like it's a geek only area in discussion.
Branding needs to think about that before naming it something that sounds all complicated and you actually need to read a manual, read online forums that are so against any n00bs and constantly berate folks for "not doing your research" (sounds familiar?) and what not.
Even Bada is cheapened by its name. It sounds like a half-excited Tony Soprano extra in a badly scripted scene.
Tizen? I don't hate the name. But I like it less than MeeGo and I truly disliked it. But at least it's not LiMo, which looks like limo as in the stretched car; how is said by many folks like Lee-mo.
Oh boy, and there was SavaJe. Seriously... these names geeks pull out for their favorite platforms put it at a marketing disadvantage.
Well, if you are in to changing names how about changing the name of the N9 to the Nelop
Tizen is an incredibly unfortunate name to market
http://gerbick.com/images/mike-tizen.jpg
They could do this... just a thought.
After watching the Intel Tizen Keynote (http://mge.bz/oF) I kept hearing Tyson. Seriously... they do that, and he's quite popular right now... it might stand a chance.
You saw it here first folks.
scapegoat845
2011-09-28, 23:34
i am sure plenty of folks will join and you could get better pricing on bulk order
I'm def. in....
danramos
2011-09-28, 23:52
http://gerbick.com/images/mike-tizen.jpg
They could do this... just a thought.
After watching the Intel Tizen Keynote (http://mge.bz/oF) I kept hearing Tyson. Seriously... they do that, and he's quite popular right now... it might stand a chance.
You saw it here first folks.
You might have a point. Looking at 'Tizen', I didn't see it pronounced that way... but I could see that, actually. Good call. I doubt Tyson will want to tie himself to a company brand the way he did with Nintendo. It didn't work out well for either of them, in the end.
warrentaye
2011-09-29, 00:42
I have a short list of folks I'll be updating via PM when I get a definite on everything. I've seen pics of the boxes, I've made my request for a few, might even be taking a trip down there - my "bro" is pulling me down there anyway, so win-win - and I'd rather have everything concrete before I say one way or the other.
I'm def. in....
I'm a long time lurker on the forums and proud owner of a good ole n900.
I am very interested in obtaining an n9 out here in the US also if there is a possibility. :)
abill_uk
2011-09-29, 01:07
The Kindle Fire tablet is out and is way way better than iphone and anything Nokia have ever put together and for a measly £130 !!!
It's got a 7" screen and its Android WITH support !!!.
I have told you lot many many times now that meego is not going to make the grade and because your all diehards and will just not let go of the FOSS dream, you rattle on and on and on, wow get a life you lot.
Reffyyyy
2011-09-29, 01:11
abill, it's not available in the UK right now, and we both know it'll be more expensive than that. That other Kindle device was $69 reduced(!) to £79. Otherwise, it's a pretty good device and will likely sell a large amount.
Android is not for me though.
By the way, no typos above.
You might have a point. Looking at 'Tizen', I didn't see it pronounced that way... but I could see that, actually. Good call. I doubt Tyson will want to tie himself to a company brand the way he did with Nintendo. It didn't work out well for either of them, in the end.
Dude, he's been trying to get as much airtime as possible, he has even made a reality show about pigeons!.
I'm sure this he'll also see this as another golden opportunity in his career...
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/05/04/nyregion/TYSON-PIGEONS/TYSON-PIGEONS-blog480.jpg
abill_uk
2011-09-29, 01:14
abill, it's not available in the UK right now, and we both know it'll be more expensive than that. That other Kindle device was $69 reduced(!) to £79. Otherwise, it's a pretty good device and will likely sell a large amount.
Android is not for me though.
By the way, no typos above.
That IS the price according to the BBC !.
It will have something the N9 won't and that is support !!!.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15096655
Reffyyyy
2011-09-29, 01:17
They're obviously not considering the cost of shipping, tax etc. Also, consider that Amazon are not actually shipping it to anywhere but the USA right now. Try ordering from their site.
All electronic equipment has been more expensive in the UK in my experience, this will be no different.
EDIT: Was wrong for the price for the other Kindle, it's actually £10 more. Joy,
abill_uk
2011-09-29, 01:50
They're obviously not considering the cost of shipping, tax etc. Also, consider that Amazon are not actually shipping it to anywhere but the USA right now. Try ordering from their site.
All electronic equipment has been more expensive in the UK in my experience, this will be no different.
EDIT: Was wrong for the price for the other Kindle, it's actually £10 more. Joy,
Ok even if it is slightly more expensive than the price BBC quoted it is at least much more desirable than the price for the N9 being close on to £500 dont you think???.
The reason i brought this up was because of it's price and the possibilities of it not having a strapped bootloader making it possible to install the meego or Maemo os.
danramos
2011-09-29, 01:53
Dude, he's been trying to get as much airtime as possible, he has even made a reality show about pigeons!.
I'm sure this he'll also see this as another golden opportunity in his career...
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/05/04/nyregion/TYSON-PIGEONS/TYSON-PIGEONS-blog480.jpg
You, too, may have a point there. OK, so it's settled?
You, too, may have a point there. OK, so it's settled?
We'll have to wait until it gets tattooed to his still-empty right temple.
Btw, shall we start another in-depth comparison between a smartphone and a tablet and pretend they occupy the same marketplace now?
abill_uk
2011-09-29, 02:00
We'll have to wait until it gets tattooed to his still-empty right temple.
Btw, shall we start another in-depth comparison between a smartphone and a tablet and pretend they occupy the same marketplace now?
IF a tablet has the same components structure to that of a smartphone then it becomes a very interesting proposition ;).
The marketplace is made up for the "desirable" not just a labelled device.
danramos
2011-09-29, 02:03
We'll have to wait until it gets tattooed to his still-empty right temple.
Btw, shall we start another in-depth comparison between a smartphone and a tablet and pretend they occupy the same marketplace now?
Sure... which side of that do you want to take? :)
IF a tablet has the same components structure to that of a smartphone then it becomes a very interesting proposition .
The marketplace is made up for the "desirable" not just a labelled device.
Oh crap.. it's already started!
scapegoat845
2011-09-29, 02:08
I'm a long time lurker on the forums and proud owner of a good ole n900.
I am very interested in obtaining an n9 out here in the US also if there is a possibility. :)
Long time lurker !? With 1 post, & joining in Sept. 2011 ?!! Please....
Oh crap.. it's already started!
Yeah, I'm not even going to address that.
Maybe we should talk about how zauruses/zauris has similar directory structure of *nix based mainframes of yesteryears.
warrentaye
2011-09-29, 02:15
Long time lurker !? With 1 post, & joining in Sept. 2011 ?!! Please....
well yes? sorry if I used the lurker thing wrongly, but I have been reading these forums for a couple years now just never signed up. since the NA release of the n900. so yea i guess its almost 2 years, almost a couple lol.
Reffyyyy
2011-09-29, 02:21
Ok even if it is slightly more expensive than the price BBC quoted it is at least much more desirable than the price for the N9 being close on to £500 dont you think???.
The reason i brought this up was because of it's price and the possibilities of it not having a strapped bootloader making it possible to install the meego or Maemo os.
I wasn't aware that they were comparable devices. I most certainly don't consider my tablet as a replacement/alternative to my phone, it's more of a general family device (otherwise known as Couch Surfing).
Mileage may vary, of course.
I don't think it's very likely that either OS will be installable. Every attempt to port MeeGo to another ARM device has been roadblocked by graphic drivers. This will very likely be a similar case. Unless it's Tegra 2...
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/07/nvidia-meego-battle-ground/
We would need to know the kernel version of the Kindle Fire though.
Unfortunately, search results suggest OMAP4.
The price is good, regardless of the increase we'll be getting. It'll sell to families, that's for sure.
scapegoat845
2011-09-29, 02:23
well yes? sorry if I used the lurker thing wrongly, but I have been reading these forums for a couple years now just never signed up. since the NA release of the n900. so yea i guess its almost 2 years, almost a couple lol.
Soo in other words, your really abill_uk...;)
abill_uk
2011-09-29, 02:24
I wasn't aware that they were comparable devices. I most certainly don't consider my tablet as a replacement/alternative to my phone, it's more of a general family device (otherwise known as Couch Surfing).
Mileage may vary, of course.
I don't think it's very likely that either OS will be installable. Every attempt to port MeeGo to another ARM device has been roadblocked by graphic drivers. This will very likely be a similar case. Unless it's Tegra 2...
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/07/nvidia-meego-battle-ground/
We would need to know the kernel version of the Kindle Fire though.
Unfortunately, search results suggest OMAP4.
The price is good, regardless of the increase we'll be getting. It'll sell to families, that's for sure.
The only downside to it is it can not make telephone calls but as a tablet wow it is very very cheap and the way to go.
Does not support 2g or 3g and has a 1GHz TI OMAP dual-core with 512mb ram.
hotnikkelz
2011-09-29, 02:25
This whole Tizen business has left a sour taste in my mouth...more sour than usual :(
Would we ever get a real true open source smartphone? ever??
abill_uk
2011-09-29, 02:27
This whole Tizen business has left a sour taste in my mouth...more sour than usual :(
Would we ever get a real true open source smartphone? ever??
Every member of this community wants that including me but sadly it will never ever happen. :(
warrentaye
2011-09-29, 02:28
Soo in other words, your really abill_uk...;)
LOL no . . I just think the n9 is a great device, not here to cause drama, nor compare. Everyone has different needs in a device, I like what the n9 brought to the table.
I was following the thread and saw the opportunity to maybe obtain one at a reasonable price in the US. I decided to finally sign up since that was easiest way to connect. Sorry if that is something frowned upon, please let me know.
Reffyyyy
2011-09-29, 02:30
The only downside to it is it can not make telephone calls but as a tablet wow it is very very cheap and the way to go.
Does not support 2g or 3g and has a 1ghz duel cpu with 512mb ram.
As long as the Uk price doesn't exceed £200, it'll probably sell more than any other tablet around here (sans iPad). The only real contender at that price is an Advent Vega (or any variant of its board) which you can get for £130-£140 refurb. Same specs except the screen is really awful.
If the tablet had 3G, I'd probably buy it. It could be useful on the train.
abill_uk
2011-09-29, 02:42
As long as the Uk price doesn't exceed £200, it'll probably sell more than any other tablet around here (sans iPad). The only real contender at that price is an Advent Vega (or any variant of its board) which you can get for £130-£140 refurb. Same specs except the screen is really awful.
If the tablet had 3G, I'd probably buy it. It could be useful on the train.
I think your right for sure because of it's price it will sell in the millions.
I just wish it had telephone capabilities, if it had of done it would have been a deal breaker of all time !!.
I am totally pissed off with Nokia because the last 3 devices they have brought out has now ceased to have support and like you i am looking for something i can use on a daily basis that actually has support going for it.
N900 no support N9 no support N950 no support and not even available to the general public.
All are overpriced by a long way (apart from the N950 being a developers freeby) and people pay magnitudes to end up with no support? very very bad in my opinion.
Looks like all we have to look forward to now is WP and for sure at least THAT will have support because of the Microsoft element.
abill_uk
2011-09-29, 03:08
Here is the best writeup i can find for the Kindle Fire.
http://www.techlicious.com/blog/the-skinny-on-the-amazon-kindle-fire/#
"The Amazon Kindle Fire will ship on November 15th and is available for pre-order today."
danramos
2011-09-29, 03:10
Yeah, I'm not even going to address that.
Maybe we should talk about how zauruses/zauris has similar directory structure of *nix based mainframes of yesteryears.
What the hell?? Are you trying to start a SVR4 vs BSD vs Linux war now??? Also... Atari was better. ;)
I wasn't aware that they were comparable devices. I most certainly don't consider my tablet as a replacement/alternative to my phone, it's more of a general family device (otherwise known as Couch Surfing).
Mileage may vary, of course.
In my case, because of the Galaxy Tab's 7-inch form factor--which fits easily in everything from my trouser pockets to the jacket pockets without any modification--I bring it and use it everywhere and it literally gets used FAR more than my cell phone and runs all the same applications (even the ones I already purchased)... which leaves my phone free to be a phone more often than if I didn't have my tablet. :) ...so, it CAN replace it. It just depends on the individual, form factor, compatibility, support and so on.
abill_uk
2011-09-29, 03:17
What the hell?? Are you trying to start a SVR4 vs BSD vs Linux war now??? Also... Atari was better. ;)
In my case, because of the Galaxy Tab's 7-inch form factor--which fits easily in everything from my trouser pockets to the jacket pockets without any modification--I bring it and use it everywhere and it literally gets used FAR more than my cell phone and runs all the same applications (even the ones I already purchased)... which leaves my phone free to be a phone more often than if I didn't have my tablet. :) ...so, it CAN replace it. It just depends on the individual, form factor, compatibility, support and so on.
Galaxy Tab is a full form factor mobile phone and a hell of a lot more expensive than the Kindle Fire old chap :p.
And yes Atari was the best in them days ;).
so where was Intels handset HW again!?
Not sure, was there meant to be one this soon?
Moblin was a way for Intel to break its reliance on MS with the ATOM CPUs (since MS let them down with W7). I always thought Intel's (Moblin/x86) main reason for partnering with Nokia (Maemo/ARM) and creating Meego was to increase the popularity and interoperability of Moblin but without having to create their own handset HW. They wanted an open "3 screens" OS. So Nokia would target handsets (ARM devices) and Intel continue to target Atom Netbooks and Tablets (x86 devices).
Meego is independent of Intel's plan to create handset HW in the future. Intel did not care that competing companies like ARM or AMD would also benefit from Meego, it was about the end result, because by creating a truly open OS Intel as a hardware manufacturer becomes independent from other companies like MS who can otherwise dictate their future if they happen to partner with or favour any one HW manufacturer. The creation of a competing open OS is Intels number one goal in Meego, it's not future hardware. Intels targeted hardware we already have, the ATOM CPU (Desktops,netbooks,WeTab,etc). It was Nokia who were meant to provide "the third screen" with ARM.
remember there is two sides of this mess. Bussiness as usual. Intel is NOT a good guy in this mess... Both company failed from day one...
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
http://cacm.acm.org/system/assets/0000/3338/070910_Intel_paul-s-otellini.large.jpg?1278701631&1278701630
http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/artwork/imgthumbs/na-els/stephen-elop.jpg
http://thenokiareview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Nokia-CEO-Stephen-Elop-Microsoft-CEO-Steve-Ballmer-Address-Their-Plans.jpg
I'll let you decide who is who. :D
I'm not trying to judge the character of the companies myself, only their interests and incentives.
ericsson
2011-09-29, 06:20
While at it, anybody from Nor or Swe know a shop from where i can get N9 for next week?
By the looks of it, the stores (off contract) won't get them before mid-end October, maybe even later. On contract, the date is tomorrow :D
somedude
2011-09-29, 06:22
I have a short list of folks I'll be updating via PM when I get a definite on everything. I've seen pics of the boxes, I've made my request for a few, might even be taking a trip down there - my "bro" is pulling me down there anyway, so win-win - and I'd rather have everything concrete before I say one way or the other.
i hope that i came on that list.....:o
Qt SDK 1.1.3 has been released:
http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html
From Twitter:
"This puts the SDK (and N950) on par with N9 sales release. "
hotnikkelz
2011-09-29, 08:08
snip... which leaves my phone free to be a phone more often than if I didn't have my tablet. :) ...so, it CAN replace it. It just depends on the individual, form factor, compatibility, support and so on.
Time for you to get a battery lasts 1 week dumbphone :D you're overkill right now
Tizen may mean "eleven" in Hungarian, but when it's phonetically spoken outloud the English word "teasin'" (teasing) comes to mind. I guarantee you that will become a wordplay in the press that won't look good for the new OS (the way "Ovi" went over very badly with English and Latin-derived languages speaking countries). They really should reconsider the name. Quickly.
WTF is wrong with them?!? :D
Is it because it's mostly Nordic + Korean/Japanese peoples involved in the naming?
I at least want some explanation of how they came up with the name, & it better not be stupid.
The whole Tizen thing is actually a bit funny because Nokia whined a long time before they were allowed to call Harmattan Meego. :D I bet qgil and other Nokia dudes didn't see this coming. Or anyone else for that matter.
Now what's next? The N9 being delayed a few more weeks because they must make new boxes marked "Tizen 1.2 Harmattan". :D
ehehehe, total re-branding, delayed for 2mths! :D
Nokia is working on a new (low-end) Linux OS?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203405504576599011587667984.html
code-named Meltemi
kinda like a maemo 7 perhaps?
Don't forget that Samsung has been talking up rumors about dropping Windows Phone 7. If nothing else, this might be leverage somehow--or maybe they're genuinely considering growing past Android and into something more desktop-powerful on efficient processors for mobile laptops and tablets that Android might not quite satisfy. Just brainstorming based on these various rumors and confirmed revelations together. I sincerely doubt they'll drop Android on handsets and tablets, in any case... at least not in the foreseeable future.
<SNIP>
Android is a source of revenue for Microsoft - vague patents that have yet to be explained in full detail. Samsung is paying Microsoft doubly. Tizen might resolve that, but it's far too early.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/28/microsoft-and-samsung-sitting-in-a-tree-patent-s-h-a-r-i-n-g/
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/28/microsoft-and-samsung-get-together-more-closely-on-windows-phone/
Samsung's whoring herself out to everyone nowadays, everyone wants a piece of her *** :D
Nokia is working on a new (low-end) Linux OS?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203405504576599011587667984.html
code-named Meltemi
kinda like a maemo 7 perhaps?
No way? What!? Get outta here...
danramos
2011-09-29, 09:05
i hope that i came on that list.....:o
Disgusting! Watch your language! :eek:
Time for you to get a battery lasts 1 week dumbphone :D you're overkill right now
Can you say that in English this time? I literally have NO idea what that hilarious word-salad was trying to communicate! :)
Qt SDK 1.1.3 has been released:
http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html
From Twitter:
"This puts the SDK (and N950) on par with N9 sales release. "
And a mighty shrug was heard around the world.
Nokia is working on a new (low-end) Linux OS?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203405504576599011587667984.html
code-named Meltemi
kinda like a maemo 7 perhaps?
Aaaaand the idiotic names continue to flow. :P Seriously? Meltemi conjures up images of a CPU crying about melting. :P ugh. NOKIA NAMING FAILS AGAIN!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/28/microsoft-and-samsung-sitting-in-a-tree-patent-s-h-a-r-i-n-g/
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/28/microsoft-and-samsung-get-together-more-closely-on-windows-phone/
Samsung's whoring herself out to everyone nowadays, everyone wants a piece of her *** :D
Can you blame them? Meanwhile, the bloated, bald ugly hag with the sweatstains and money is the only one Nokia could manage to take to the dance. :)
http://www6.bibl.ulaval.ca:8080/etd2006/pages/papers/Art_Ryhno/pix/Steve_ballmer2.jpg
Originally Posted by myrjola View Post
Qt SDK 1.1.3 has been released:
http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/...f8/Qt_SDK.html
From Twitter:
"This puts the SDK (and N950) on par with N9 sales release. "
And a mighty shrug was heard around the world.
That is weird. 1.1.3 was available on 1 september on the Qt site.
Why was it only added on 28 september on the nokia developer website?
Also in the release notes it is called firmware beta 2.
Will the N9 be released with beta 2 firmware??
Will the N9 be released with beta 2 firmware??
It looks that way based on the tweet from Nokia.
That is weird. 1.1.3 was available on 1 september on the Qt site.
Why was it only added on 28 september on the nokia developer website?
Also in the release notes it is called firmware beta 2.
Will the N9 be released with beta 2 firmware??
No it's talking about the Nokia N9 smartphone (Harmattan) target for the SDK.
Not necessarily a reflection of fw that will be on the N9...
Tis just to get it up-to-speed with what's on the N950's already I imagine.
Not it's talking about the Nokia N9 smartphone (Harmattan) target for the SDK.
Not necessarily a reflection of fw that will be on the N9...
Tis just to get it up-to-speed with what's on the N950's already I imagine.
Saying that the N950 is 'on par with the N9 sales release' would suggest that the firmware is the same. None of the comments from the N9 owners would indicate otherwise. There seems to be no difference in terms of features. There is also the fact that shipping of the N9 began only days after the firmware update to the N950.
Saying that the N950 is 'on par with the N9 sales release' would suggest that the firmware is the same. None of the comments from the N9 owners would indicate otherwise. There seems to be no difference in terms of features.
N950 devices at Nokia RDA contain kernel module for NXP pn544 nfc which is inside N9 (most likely). So I guess the firmware is the same.
Saying that the N950 is 'on par with the N9 sales release' would suggest that the firmware is the same.
Where was that said, & by whom?
None of the comments from the N9 owners would indicate otherwise.
There seems to be no difference in terms of features.
I dont know, I havent been keeping a tally, have you? :)
There is also the fact that shipping of the N9 began only days after the firmware update to the N950.
But beta fw came out about a mth or so ago? Shipping began after that...
Even if it is shipping with beta2 fw, I suspect an update will be along in short order.
They've always been pretty clear that 950 is a step behind bleeding edge builds..
So as 950's have been beta2 for quite some time, there'd be an update for N9 owners shortly after widespread availability.
Maybe earlier, if some work out how to get it by "less official" means.
N950 devices at Nokia RDA contain kernel module for NXP pn544 nfc which is inside N9 (most likely). So I guess the firmware is the same.
I don't see how that proves anything? :confused:
Where was that said, & by whom?
I dont know, I havent been keeping a tally, have you? :)
But beta fw came out about a mth or so ago? Shipping began after that...
Even if it is shipping with beta2 fw, I suspect an update will be along in short order.
They've always been pretty clear that 950 is a step behind bleeding edge builds..
So as 950's have been beta2 for quite some time, there'd be an update for N9 owners shortly after widespread availability.
Maybe earlier, if some work out how to get it by "less official" means.
I don't see how that proves anything? :confused:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8132/screenshot3kkr.png (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/screenshot3kkr.png/)
Santtu Ahonen is Head of Runtime Product Management at Nokia.
Beta2 firmware was released 19th September.
buchanmilne
2011-09-29, 10:38
Aaaaand the idiotic names continue to flow. :P Seriously? Meltemi conjures up images of a CPU crying about melting. :P ugh. NOKIA NAMING FAILS AGAIN!
Is it worse than Gargale, Fremantle, Harmattan etc. (which are equivalents)?
Most likely the marketing name will be something we know already (Maemo, Meego, S40).
Previous references to Meltemi seem to indicate either S40, or tablet-targetted, but definitely Qt, and supposedly an organisation that can make use of people who were working on Meego.
http://www.meegotabletcentral.com/meego-tablet-updates
http://www.meegoexperts.com/tag/meltemi/
http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/06/23/elop-new-full-touch-ui-is-coming-to-nokia-s40-phones/
(/me can't remember the codename of the Meego-based project that would follow Harmattan ... what was it?).
mikecomputing
2011-09-29, 10:47
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/28/microsoft-and-samsung-sitting-in-a-tree-patent-s-h-a-r-i-n-g/
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/28/microsoft-and-samsung-get-together-more-closely-on-windows-phone/
Samsung's whoring herself out to everyone nowadays, everyone wants a piece of her *** :D
ROTFL android also dead end of 2012
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8132/screenshot3kkr.png (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/screenshot3kkr.png/)
Santtu Ahonen is Head of Runtime Product Management at Nokia.
Beta2 firmware was released 19th September.
Beta2 for N950 came out some time before that though.
I think all he means by "on par" is just that, roughly on par.
There's still an internal, more "bleeding-edge" build...
Which we'll see not long after widespread availability of the N9.
It'll probably be pushed to N950 & SDK then too....
From what I've heard 34-1 is the final N9 firmware. The N950 "beta2" is 34-2 which is newer than 34-1. In practice it's the same firmware with some applications and plugins stripped away. Why they did that, I have no idea. Perhaps some legal reasons.
ROTFL android also dead end of 2012
Off topic, but Android honestly is facing some problem and we just might see them peak on not distant future.
WP seems to be gaining from this, but most of all Apple seems to be unstoppable. Who would have thought 3 years ago that single plus 500 euros smartphone could ever have such a hold on smartphones.
Beta2 for N950 came out some time before that though.
Not correct. The 19th was the date on which it first became available.
I think all he means by "on par" is just that, roughly on par.
There's still an internal, more "bleeding-edge" build...
Which we'll see not long after widespread availability of the N9.
It'll probably be pushed to N950 & SDK then too....
'On par' is of course open to interpretation. I take it to mean 'equal to', 'level with' or 'same as'.
It makes sense for both devices to have the same firmware, otherwise how can you test reliably before submitting applications to the Nokia Store. I wouldn't be too happy with Nokia if I submitted an application that worked perfectly on my N950, only to find that it didn't work as expected on the N9.
The Beta2 firmware is pretty stable, so I wouldn't get too hung up on the 'beta' label. If mece is correct, the 'beta' label is simply a result of the removal of a few trivial components.
Is it worse than Gargale, Fremantle, Harmattan etc. (which are equivalents)?
Most likely the marketing name will be something we know already (Maemo, Meego, S40).
Previous references to Meltemi seem to indicate either S40, or tablet-targetted, but definitely Qt, and supposedly an organisation that can make use of people who were working on Meego.
http://www.meegotabletcentral.com/meego-tablet-updates
http://www.meegoexperts.com/tag/meltemi/
http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/06/23/elop-new-full-touch-ui-is-coming-to-nokia-s40-phones/
(/me can't remember the codename of the Meego-based project that would follow Harmattan ... what was it?).
IIRC the Maemo release after Harmattan was called Ilmatar.
Not correct. The 19th was the date on which it first became available.
I just double-checked, it seems it was the 19th....
Seemed way longer ago than that, then again so much has been happening.
It makes sense for both devices to have the same firmware, otherwise how can you test reliably before submitting applications to the Nokia Store. I wouldn't be too happy with Nokia if I submitted an application that worked perfectly on my N950, only to find that it didn't work as expected on the N9.
I just remember all the hoo-ha about Nokia not releasing builds to N950 devs, that were equivalent to the latest internal, & what issues that may/may-not cause.
And some devs were arguing -rather effectively- that it wasn't necessarily relevant, I can't recall their exact reasons why now.
But I concede once one gets to the point of actually releasing apps to the store, it matters much more...
So I guess they must've finalised their internal build, & begun shipping, just before pushing out that similar build to the N950.
From what I've heard 34-1 is the final N9 firmware. The N950 "beta2" is 34-2 which is newer than 34-1. In practice it's the same firmware with some applications and plugins stripped away. Why they did that, I have no idea. Perhaps some legal reasons.
Interesting thanks, can you recall where you read this?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/29/the-nokia-contraction-continues-3-500-further-job-losses-and-mo/
Someone in this (http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/nokia-n9-begins-shipping-at-not-inexpensive-prices) thread at Engadget, claims that they've just received theirs in the mail.
Handle: Bo Nichlas Westerby
The free app store for Harmattan (apps.formeego.org) is confirmed to continue as planned. :)
http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=32458&postcount=4
IIRC the Maemo release after Harmattan was called Ilmatar.
Wasn't Ilmatar the codename for the MeeGo proper successor of Harmattan?
About freaking time
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/29/n9-now-visible-on-nokia-store/
excerpt:
You have been able to check out N9 apps using store.ovi.com/?terminalId=N9-00 URL but now...
Wish I'd known that, sheesh.
Just some things that came up in my mind about: Nokia, Meego, Harmittan, WP7, Swipe UX and now finally with this Meltemi. I don't know if someone has had these thoughts before and might also written something similar somewhere, but I haven't read this from anywhere so I can't give any links - this is purely just my speculation.
If any of you have better knowledge please correct me.
1. Nokia and Intel had contract of creating open mobile OS - Meego. At some point someone at Nokia’s Meego team had great innovation about new way to use mobile phone - Swipe. Nokia found out very soon that this might be a "Golden egg" for mobile systems and this just could not be shared with other manufacturers within open source Meego UX (too valuable). They had to use their own Harmittan and close this into Swipe UX. This is where Nokia and Intel had to go separite way -> no open source swipe.
2. Microsoft has promised that Nokia could use Swipe UX in WP7 exclusively - so they got in bed together. This might not have been possible if they would have picked Android OS.
3. Now they've seen that WP7 can't perform well enough in low end phones (hardware using WP7 is too expensive for featurephones) they have to downgrade maemo/meego/harmittan to Meltimi which can perform better with cheaper hardware. They have most of code ready, they have swipe ready, they have marketplace, they have QT, Harmitan running great with old hardware... This meltimi name might be also because they just can't use Meego name after withdrawing from contract with Intel. This might be reason why Intel also has to rename their Meego into Tizen.
erendorn
2011-09-29, 12:31
holy cr*p, who in the world would want the thousand "apps" in this list (http://store.ovi.com/?terminalId=N9-00) rather than the few in the extra repo??
I'm so not regretting having lived outside an "ecosystem" with the n900..
Wasn't Ilmatar the codename for the MeeGo proper successor of Harmattan?
The Ilmatar name existed long before Meego came around. But I guess that today it would be based on Meego or if it's Tizen now.
You're best-off searching without out that url trickery, now that it's not needed.
There is some goodies there IMO...
There's also many which still aren't up yet, or won't ever be accessible there.
It's a bit too early to say they're all fart apps.
If you're trying to compare it to iOS or Android, you're fighting a losing battle.
I wonder how n9-apps.com is going now?
erendorn
2011-09-29, 12:43
What? There some goodies there...
It's a bit too early to say they're all fart apps.
I'm not saying they are all fart apps, but I'm just not interested either in wagamama apps, free apps to contact a company, flashlight apps that just display a white screen with some ads, a copter game with some ads, an app that pretend to scan your fingerprint for unlock the phone but just count the number of seconds (so your password is a integer between 1 and 5), etc... (all from what I saw on the first page)
They are not fart apps, and many people might find them usefull or funny. But for me, they just makes it harder to find the high quality programs that I'm sure are still numerous.
(obviously this is the same for any other platform, as you cannot be considered a serious os without having 100,000+ apps, no matter what they are)
Same for any store, just sort the gems from the crap.
Much smaller store, so much smaller amt of gems, of course.
abill_uk
2011-09-29, 12:50
Can this thing called the N9 actually make phone calls ? :rolleyes:
Shameless plug:
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4765/screenshot4ie.png (http://img545.imageshack.us/i/screenshot4ie.png/)
http://store.ovi.com/content/205764
not sure already posted but this list of apps is worth getting excited for
http://nokiagadgets.com/?cat=265
Lindegaard
2011-09-29, 12:55
Qt SDK 1.1.3 has been released:
http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html
From Twitter:
"This puts the SDK (and N950) on par with N9 sales release. "
today I got a mail with Windows Phone SDK kit, how ironic!
Is anybody here willing to buy it in Denmark or Norway as soon as possible for me and ship it to Germany? Would be willing to pay some extra for the effort...
This is a serious request!
Shameless plug:
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4765/screenshot4ie.png (http://img545.imageshack.us/i/screenshot4ie.png/)
http://store.ovi.com/content/205764
Start a new thread, talk about this app please. Looks great.
Lindegaard
2011-09-29, 13:04
Is anybody here willing to buy it in Denmark or Norway as soon as possible for me and ship it to Germany? Would be willing to pay some extra for the effort...
This is a serious request!
Yeah, no problem! You may be able to get it from CDON(.dk) for 4790dkr = USD 886 : £565 - however the danish postal service is f-ing expensive!
Where to should it be sent?
You can pm me if you want to...
FranzDages
2011-09-29, 13:18
Have any of the few people who (may) have their hands on this been brave (or foolish) enough to open it up and see is the usb port is surface mount.
Start a new thread, talk about this app please. Looks great.
There is already a thread in the MeeGo-Harmattan section. :) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75639
It's still labelled as 'work in progress' atm. The thread was started by smegheadz as a request, so only he can change the title. I'm more than happy to discuss my work with anyone that is interested.
There are a few threads in that section dedicated to Meego-Harmattan applications, but not nearly enough considering the number of N950s out there (300 amongst community developers). That's why I agreed with your earlier post about the lack of communication from those with N950s.
The Ilmatar name existed long before Meego came around.
Yup, Ilmatar (and Inverna) have been going around since this (http://qgil.jaiku.com/presence/52078129).
But it was on the same network and it was HSDPA speed on both.
Wait... HSDPA as in... H/H+ connetion? I thought the Nokia simply had 3.5g speeds (capped at 14.4)?
Im confused to **** about that, by the way. H+ is faster then 3.5g or so Im led to believe. Then there are those who say its irrelevant because the actual speeds you achieve wont rise above 7ish anyways, so whats the deal yo :s
abill_uk
2011-09-29, 14:39
Elop is at it again but this time he is closing the factory in Romania as well as cutting 3500 jobs......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15104959
Complete Nokia statement ....
http://press.nokia.com/2011/09/29/nokia-continues-to-align-its-workforce-and-operations/
aironeous
2011-09-29, 15:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoiElMPDSus
Can you please take 20 seconds to give a quick description of your link.
Even if it is "OMGods stupid arse foreign retailer is selling N9 for 500 with no shipping fee"
You still need to take the few moments to write a description.
I do not click on undescribed links.
Elop is at it again but this time he is closing the factory in Romania as well as cutting 3500 jobs......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15104959
Complete Nokia statement ....
http://press.nokia.com/2011/09/29/nokia-continues-to-align-its-workforce-and-operations/
Eflop: Blah blah 'align our workforce'. Nice euphemism.
Geoff Blaber, analyst at CCS Insight, said: "The scaling back of its manufacturing presence was sadly inevitable but it's clear that Elop is not afraid of taking the tough decisions to ensure Nokia's long-term survival."
Must be very tough to put lots of working class folk on the dole whilst lining your own pockets.
W@nkers.
Aironeous:
Its just some alien talking about how awesome it was being on the team that made the N9 and how awesome it is.
worth the watch if only for the hybid-hellhound that IS the man in the video.
shallimus
2011-09-29, 15:26
Eflop: Blah blah 'align our workforce'. Nice euphemism.
Yeah - I wish they'd just say "we're axing these jobs because we have managed ourselves into a corner", but what price honesty?
Geoff Blaber, analyst at CCS Insight, said: "The scaling back of its manufacturing presence was sadly inevitable but it's clear that Elop is not afraid of taking the tough decisions to ensure Nokia's long-term survival."
An analyst called Blaber - it's a bit like a butcher called Cleaver or a lawyer called Sue ;)
Must be very tough to put lots of working class folk on the dole whilst lining your own pockets.
W@nkers.
Q: How do you sleep at night?
A: On top of a large pile of money with many beautiful ladies.
Lindegaard
2011-09-29, 16:15
An analyst called Blaber - it's a bit like a butcher called Cleaver or a lawyer called Sue ;)
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Nice one, however the "analyst" does have a point. Asians earnings are much lower than europeans and Nokia have to compete against Asian companies like Samsung and HTC. Apple also have a lot out-sources, so I think it was inevitable not to sack some peolpe...
Lindegaard: 3.5 network or H/H+ network on your N9?
Nice one, however the "analyst" does have a point. Asians earnings are much lower than europeans and Nokia have to compete against Asian companies like Samsung and HTC. Apple also have a lot out-sources, so I think it was inevitable not to sack some peolpe...
I think it's about time we had some more Asian CEOs. I'm sure they'd be happy to work for much less than the likes of Ballmer and Elop. The problem is that the top 5% like to turn economics on its head when it comes to themselves.
"this phone looks almost as good as the press photos, which is very unusual for a phone"
- Flora Graham, Crave Live
I like that. AHLAIKITALO!
aironeous
2011-09-29, 17:06
As someone who just got laid off and worked his last day yesterday
I really want to know;
What is this insane obsession of making supervisors and CEO's little fat men with big voices???!!!
OMG he's a little fat man with a BIIIIIIGGGG VOOOOIIIICCCEE = $$$$$$$$$$$
I am so f'n sick of little fat men with big voices!
WTF is wrong with us we keep making these little waddling - over ambitious/no conscious/lie to everyone and smile/pieces of crap/little fat men with PA voices our Craptastic Executive Orifices?
Really i want to know!
These little type 2 diabetes men that don't even take care of themselves and their wives leave them are not even worth their sky high salaries.
Take a few million off of their salary and give it to the hourly slave wages in China that you rely on TO MAKE YOUR SH*T so we don't suffer and lose our jobs in the U.S.
Little fat man with a big voice! OMG as soon as I see and hear a sound wave come out of your little fat arse mouth I know everything you say is vomit.
Ok I'm done
Can you please take 20 seconds to give a quick description of your link.
Even if it is "OMGods stupid arse foreign retailer is selling N9 for 500 with no shipping fee"
You still need to take the few moments to write a description.
I do not click on undescribed links.
Maybe, I'll think about it ;)
"this phone looks almost as good as the press photos, which is very unusual for a phone"
- Flora Graham, Crave Live
I like that. AHLAIKITALO!
Nice quotation. I had to search a bit in order to understand where it came from, so here's the link (don't think this review was mentioned here yet):
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-phones/nokia-n9-review-50004190/
Have any of the few people who (may) have their hands on this been brave (or foolish) enough to open it up and see is the usb port is surface mount.
I hope someone does, not sure I'm game to right away.
Hopefully someone like iFixit does eventually...
But they'll prolly be too star-struck by the iGear once it's out :D
There are a few threads in that section dedicated to Meego-Harmattan applications, but not nearly enough considering the number of N950s out there (300 amongst community developers). That's why I agreed with your earlier post about the lack of communication from those with N950s.
Yeah it is quite disappointing. I think more are tending to post at the meego forum though.
I haven't seen nearly as many here at TMO...
Still not quite enough overall though, considering how many N950's were handed out.
I think it's about time we had some more Asian CEOs.
I'm sure they'd be happy to work for much less than the likes of Ballmer and Elop.
The problem is that the top 5% like to turn economics on its head when it comes to themselves.
So true, the hypocrisy at the top is all to often, unbelievable.
Where... IS the meego forum?
Where... IS the meego forum?
:confused:
http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7
http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3
http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2
Aironeous:
Its just some alien talking about how awesome it was being on the team that made the N9 and how awesome it is.
worth the watch if only for the hybid-hellhound that IS the man in the video.
LOL he was a pretty weird looking dude hey :D
oh god yes. There WILL be nightmares.
Nice quotation. I had to search a bit in order to understand where it came from, so here's the link (don't think this review was mentioned here yet):
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-phones/nokia-n9-review-50004190/
Sorry it was so old I assumed it had been linked here by someone somehow. Nice detectivework tho, Rorshack ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoiElMPDSus
OT: Watch it with auto-transcribed CC, hilarious!
Yeah it is quite disappointing. I think more are tending to post at the meego forum though.
I haven't seen nearly as many here at TMO...
I'd just like to see more of the devs communicating with users, most of whom are still here. I don't think that a small group of people talking only amongst themselves is the best way to achieve anything. To some extent, the entire FOSS community is guilty of that, hence why FOSS projects rarely capture the interest of the general public.
Where... IS the meego forum?
Exactly. ;)
I'd just like to see more of the devs communicating with users, most of whom are still here.
I don't think that a small group of people talking only amongst themselves is the best way to achieve anything.
To some extent, the entire FOSS community is guilty of that, hence why FOSS projects rarely capture the interest of the general public.
Agreed, a larger chunk def. need to be speaking-up more @meego forum.
And possibly more so here, now that everything's gone weird again WRT strategies etc.
We're supposed to be able to keep tabs here...
http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia
But that's not really good enough, devs should be engaging actively we their app users.
How do they possibly expect to be making a decent app otherwise.
It'll be interesting to see how many of them came good on their promise 6mths from now.
Exactly. ;)
No he honestly didn't know ;) Which is fair enough.
gryedouge
2011-09-29, 17:50
ok...then the big question for us little people...is it worth our while to get the N9 or should we be looking elsewhere?
No, I had no idea. Im like a teen at a sexparty; its all fun and exciting, albeit slightly confusing to navigate around
What do you mean "little people"?
If you want a device for about half a year to a year, its awesome. And phones get changed as often or more often than that.
If youre not able to stick to the community and do a little digging and tweaking and googling now and then, dont expect a phone that can keep up for years and years.
Nokia has said they will support it, which is cute, but no real comfort.
My take:
You want a cool, easy to use phone that does basic **** very good and/or you want something to fill the void your N900 left? Get the N9.
You want a phone you can have for 2 years and still get good support for? Get an SGS2 or SGN..
If youre the average iphone-user, the n9 will be awesome. It does the stuff the iphone does, but cooler and sexier.
Iunno if ANY of this makes sense.
So bottom line: its looking good for the average housewife, so yeah: get it.
You want a phone you can have for 2 years and still get good support for?
Get an SGS2 or SGN...
I dunno if support from Samsung will be that steller in another year (already been out 6mth+).
But the advantage the SGSII (& others like it) has, is the massive support from the Android apps/hacking community.
Yeah, thats probably true. I just figure if theyre going to have the spearhead products like SGN and SGS2 live up to a name and keep some customers happy theyll support the devices for a good while.
Unlike, say, the N8. And the N97... and the N900... if you catch mah drift.
also:
http://www.slashgear.com/white-nokia-n9-due-q1-2012-29183982/
white+green n9?
Mandibela
2011-09-29, 18:09
also:
http://www.slashgear.com/white-nokia-n9-due-q1-2012-29183982/
white+green n9?
I don't like your drift. That's just what the media is saying :cool:
I'd be more happy about a yellow one. CMYK, if you know what I mean.
Yeah, thats probably true.
I just figure if theyre going to have the spearhead products like SGN and SGS2 live up to a name and keep some customers happy theyll support the devices for a good while.
Unlike, say, the N8. And the N97... and the N900... if you catch mah drift.
N900 was never a mass-market, consumer-focussed device.
Nokia never treated it as such....
OPK: "step 5 of 6..." It was Nokia's learning/experimental platform for nerds.
They were too scared to get serious about it earlier on, because Symbian was still very strong.
Nokia never tooted everywhere in the same way they have about the N9 WRT support/updates.
You can find a track record of poor support from every OEM from time-to-time.
I don't think Samsung is immune from that...
I haven't personally owned one yet, but will once the Nexus Prime is out.
I don't really care about the other colours, what we have is fine, I'll just get a skin if I want another colour.
I'd prefer they focus on improving some of the N9's hw/sw limitations, & releasing a revised version in Q1 :)
Yeah I remember. It just kinda felt wrong to stop at N97 in my sentence, so I threw it out there :P .
Yeah, Ive got an SGS2, and I havent used Samsungs update thing ever. Abouth a month after installed the latest Android version, Samsung released it to their less technically-up-to-date customers. By that time, the next version of Android was out.
But they do get it out there. Thats the point I guess. And its weeks, not years, like little miss Anna. Ive got Belle on my N8, but no thanks to Nokia and their SSU. I guess thats my point. Android is here to stay.
Maemo/Meego tho... some say Nokia will release a device a year, some say there are rumors that theyll never make another one... who knows, its uncertain.
Android: not so uncertain.
oh im getting a magenta one, I dont give a ****. Just thought someone might find it interesting.
danramos
2011-09-29, 18:22
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/29/the-nokia-contraction-continues-3-500-further-job-losses-and-mo/
Elop is at it again but this time he is closing the factory in Romania as well as cutting 3500 jobs......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15104959
Complete Nokia statement ....
http://press.nokia.com/2011/09/29/nokia-continues-to-align-its-workforce-and-operations/
ELOP IS WINNING!
This is why Finland LOVES Nokia right now. This!
I hope someone does, not sure I'm game to right away.
Hopefully someone like iFixit does eventually...
But they'll prolly be too star-struck by the iGear once it's out :D
Eh? Ngage?
LOL he was a pretty weird looking dude hey :D
He also talked through clenched teeth the entire time. Made me wonder whether they were welded together, if he was under an enormous amount of stress or if he was seething angry and ready to lunge at the camera person.
He also talked through clenched teeth the entire time. Made me wonder whether they were welded together, if he was under an enormous amount of stress or if he was seething angry and ready to lunge at the camera person.
He knows that he's going to have to film a few of those videos with a Windoze Phone in his hands, with Steve Ballmer standing behind the camera ready to throw a chair at him if he's anything less than glowing.
mikecomputing
2011-09-29, 18:36
Aironeous:
Its just some alien talking about how awesome it was being on the team that made the N9 and how awesome it is.
worth the watch if only for the hybid-hellhound that IS the man in the video.
well I prefer that alien/geek over ashole named Stephen Elop.
mikecomputing
2011-09-29, 18:38
Nice one, however the "analyst" does have a point. Asians earnings are much lower than europeans and Nokia have to compete against Asian companies like Samsung and HTC. Apple also have a lot out-sources, so I think it was inevitable not to sack some peolpe...
Yeah why not outsource every damn company in US and European so all countrys here going bankrupty when everyone loosing they jobs? Awesome!
Epic FAIL
Can you please take 20 seconds to give a quick description of your link.
Even if it is "OMGods stupid arse foreign retailer is selling N9 for 500 with no shipping fee"
You still need to take the few moments to write a description.
I do not click on undescribed links.
I only click on links that are very well described, the downside seems to be that I get rickrolled between five and ten times per day.
Yeah why not outsource every damn company in US and European so all countrys here going bankrupty when everyone loosing they jobs? Awesome!
Epic FAIL
US and parts of europe can't. They just printing new dollars and keep taking new loans. :(
mikecomputing
2011-09-29, 18:45
ok...then the big question for us little people...is it worth our while to get the N9 or should we be looking elsewhere?
ask abill_uk or danramos they probadly knows best...
Just here to catch #7777. Please continue wasting your time by reading pointless discussion. :)
gryedouge
2011-09-29, 18:51
ask abill_uk or danramos they probadly knows best...
I am sure there will be a response soon enough. I really want to get a N9...just the price is giving me second thoughts. i am not a fan of iOS or android...webOS yes, but they are getting as rare as unicorns nowadays.
mikecomputing
2011-09-29, 18:56
No I am getting pissed (as usual) cause katshing.se send a mail to some people today "now you can order N9 shipping next week".
Then i got to the homepage and now it says next deliver expected around 27 october WTF!!! already out of stock :O
I preordered mine 2 september and hadn't got a mail yet about if I will get one next week :mad:
danramos
2011-09-29, 19:13
ask abill_uk or danramos they probadly knows best...
You wanted it, you got it! ;)
In honest truth--I wouldn't, it seems overly expensive and deficient in hardware and software, but ultimately what difference does it make what anyone else says? You know that in the end, you're going to eventually complain about its shortcomings and support, and someone from these forums will invariably state, "You should have researched it first." :)
not sure already posted but this list of apps is worth getting excited for
http://nokiagadgets.com/?cat=265
Waze? :D
...
Prolly already posted ages ago, it's "here" folks, ALMOST.
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/29/nokia-n9-arriving-in-denmark-tomorrow-via-3-in-store-and-online/
mikecomputing
2011-09-29, 21:49
danish unboxing video link on www.meegosweden.com forum! When do I get a chance unboxing mine :mad:
ericsson
2011-09-29, 22:00
danish unboxing video link on www.meegosweden.com forum! When do I get a chance unboxing mine :mad:
ooooo :mad: On cdon they now expect mid November :eek:
Better hurry up and order from a carrier. Mine will be sent tomorrow (hopefully) :D
Nokia preps Linux-based Meltemi OS for feature phones, says report
http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Nokia-Meltemi-plus-Tizen-update/
WSJ report could still be entirely bogus of course...
mikecomputing
2011-09-29, 22:25
Nokia preps Linux-based Meltemi OS for feature phones, says report
http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Nokia-Meltemi-plus-Tizen-update/
WSJ report could still be entirely bogus of course...
I hope this is true!!! wipe out that ****ing broken symbian **** in favour of maemo7 (cause it sounds more like that its all about) Around mid 2012 those low/midend devices is running at >600mhz cpu:s...
this could be a logical step and a reason to beleive nokia when saying Nokia N9 will be supported for long and we will see swipe on more devices.
but this may ofcourse fail if N9 doesnt sell well cause of an ashoe CEO who may damage it...
Eh? Ngage?
No, tear-down... T-E-A-R_D-O-W-N!
That clearer? :D
He also talked through clenched teeth the entire time.
Made me wonder whether they were welded together, if he was under an enormous amount of stress or if he was seething angry and ready to lunge at the camera person.
Hehehe... poor little bugger, he looked scared.
He knows that he's going to have to film a few of those videos with a Windoze Phone in his hands, with Steve Ballmer standing behind the camera ready to throw a chair at him if he's anything less than glowing.
LOL, I reckon Ballmer would be a scary boss :D
No I am getting pissed (as usual) cause katshing.se send a mail to some people today "now you can order N9 shipping next week".
Then i got to the homepage and now it says next deliver expected around 27 october WTF!!! already out of stock :O
I preordered mine 2 september and hadn't got a mail yet about if I will get one next week :mad:
Surely you'd be in the 1st batch if you ordered on the 2nd.
ericsson
2011-09-29, 22:37
Nokia preps Linux-based Meltemi OS for feature phones, says report
http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Nokia-Meltemi-plus-Tizen-update/
WSJ report could still be entirely bogus of course...
Old news. Could be bogus, but it makes too much sense. Meltemi obviously is Maemo 7, after Harmattan (Maemo 6). Already the N9 is sold out, even before it's actually being sent to any customers. I honestly doubt Nokia WP will experience anything remotely similar, they will have to fight a uphill battle all from the very beginning.
Meltemi is "the next billion" and it will be Maemo+Swipe+Qt. S40 + Swipe is still a possibility IMO, but seeing the popularity of the N9, several more devices based around the same concept running Maemo is bound to happen even with S40 devices.
There is already a thread in the MeeGo-Harmattan section. :) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75639
It's still labelled as 'work in progress' atm. The thread was started by smegheadz as a request, so only he can change the title. I'm more than happy to discuss my work with anyone that is interested.
There are a few threads in that section dedicated to Meego-Harmattan applications, but not nearly enough considering the number of N950s out there (300 amongst community developers). That's why I agreed with your earlier post about the lack of communication from those with N950s.
The contract all of them have signed clearly states limitations on disclosures.
mikecomputing
2011-09-29, 23:13
Old news. Could be bogus, but it makes too much sense. Meltemi obviously is Maemo 7, after Harmattan (Maemo 6). Already the N9 is sold out, even before it's actually being sent to any customers. I honestly doubt Nokia WP will experience anything remotely similar, they will have to fight a uphill battle all from the very beginning.
Meltemi is "the next billion" and it will be Maemo+Swipe+Qt. S40 + Swipe is still a possibility IMO, but seeing the popularity of the N9, several more devices based around the same concept running Maemo is bound to happen even with S40 devices.
But we dont have a clue how many N9 has been delivered yet.... and still not marketed in US/UK.
also if people have to wait for long for get the damn device they get pissed and cancel orders.
and next week the hype commpany release theyr next phone....
so nokia have to improve marketing of n9 like HELL if they want n9 to success. first then maybe maemo7 will get a chance.....
The contract all of them have signed clearly states limitations on disclosures.
The NDA refers to the device and pre-installed software, not the work of the developers. In fact, I recall that one the requiremnents is that we must publicise our work via twitter, blogs or forums etc. It's in Nokia's interest for developers to make potential customers aware of their applications.
danramos
2011-09-29, 23:37
The contract all of them have signed clearly states limitations on disclosures.
Are you sure they're not just being a pretentious, arrogant clique... and using that as a convenient excuse? :)
hotnikkelz
2011-09-29, 23:49
Are you sure they're not just being a pretentious, arrogant clique... and using that as a convenient excuse? :)
Seems like only marxian, daperl and a couple others seem interested in sharing anything :/ makes me wonder
danramos
2011-09-30, 00:16
Seems like only marxian, daperl and a couple others seem interested in sharing anything :/ makes me wonder
http://photos.vaxlan.net/d/21684-1/gir-somebody_needs_a_hug.gif
Old news. Could be bogus, but it makes too much sense. Meltemi obviously is Maemo 7, after Harmattan (Maemo 6)
Yeah I know it was old news....
That article summarised a whole bunch things quite nicely though, so I figured I'd share :)
Re Meltemi, xerses2 mentioned the codename was orig. to be diff. for Maemo 7, approx. 7 pages back.*
But it still could very well relate to Maemo...
Already the N9 is sold out, even before it's actually being sent to any customers. I honestly doubt Nokia WP will experience anything remotely similar, they will have to fight a uphill battle all from the very beginning.
Easy there, don't get too carried away! :D
Meltemi is "the next billion" and it will be Maemo+Swipe+Qt. S40 + Swipe is still a possibility IMO, but seeing the popularity of the N9, several more devices based around the same concept running Maemo is bound to happen even with S40 devices.
T'was my & others thoughts earlier too...
Although I hope they don't also try to juggle S40.
One or the other, & preferably Maemo+Qt+Swipe!
*unless my mem's playing tricks on me, only had a few hrs sleep
Sigh, another beastphone like the SGSII is arriving in Oz
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/29/htc-holiday-spotted-sunning-itself-on-australian-shores/
Then there's the iP5, N9 doesn't have a chance in hell
Engadget's already done a massive write-up on a iP5 mock-up+case!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/29/iphone-5-cases-and-realistic-unibody-dummy-show-off-incredible-s/
And still no FREAKING N9!!!!! Sheezus...
*edit*
My bad, the HTC Holiday isn't due out here till H1 2012 according to Telstra.
danramos
2011-09-30, 01:19
Not to mention there's already talk of a Samsung Galaxy S3 and its specs already. :P
hotnikkelz
2011-09-30, 01:23
http://photos.vaxlan.net/d/21684-1/gir-somebody_needs_a_hug.gif
yup
*holds arms out*
anyway...
Is the iphone really THAT good? I've used the first couple but wasn't really impressed. iOS 5 doesn't change my thoughts....so basically its hardware design is its strong point? Apart from the sheer number of apps, can it do anything else that the other OSes can't?
don_falcone
2011-09-30, 01:30
#7799..........
don_falcone
2011-09-30, 01:31
#7800................
don_falcone
2011-09-30, 01:31
#7801.....................
Not to mention there's already talk of a Samsung Galaxy S3 and its specs already. :P
shaddup... :D
hm.. still no word on flash support (fennec and stuff)?
Yeah WTF's up with that, Nokia, freaking tell us yes or no already man, it's not that hard!
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74438&page=5
Hey guys/gals(?), just a lot of random links below, most of them are quite outdated.
But there'll def. be one or two gems in there for some of you, so have a skim if you have the time!
I'm skim reading this forum for a while, I'll post occasionally, but I want to keep it to a minimum.
Smartphone news
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/12/smartphones-out-ship-feature-phones-in-europe-samsung-leads-the/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/14/symbian-still-top-smartphone-os-by-market-share-in-europe/
Great article by Assoc. Professor of NY Law School
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/09/owning-the-stack-the-legal-war-for-control-of-the-smartphone-platform.ars
Geez that's a large chunk of revenue coming from the iPhone "only"
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/09/iphone-4-demand-remains-strong-while-anticipation-for-iphone-5-grows.ars
Def. not looking like much of a bump*, seems the big one may come March/April
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/09/report-ios-5-golden-master-at-end-of-september-for-october-iphone-5-launch.ars
If Nokia gave a **** & tried to get it out sooner, priced it aggressively, & marketed it HEAVILY.
There's actually no reason why it can't do okay, even against the iP5, but nooo, can't do that.
*iOS5 will be one of Apple's biggest software bumps though
Then again, maybe there's still a chance iP5 will be quite radical (I hope not)
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/09/is-this-iphone-5-screen-protector-a-harbinger-of-new-iphone-design.ars
C'mon Intel, where's your ARM killer!? (check-out the anandtech articles in particular!)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/13/andy-rubin-shows-off-medfield-based-android-phone-at-idf-2011-r/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4785/intels-unified-design-core-atom-now-under-one-roof
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4788/intels-medfield-gingerbread-smartphone-reference-platform
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/09/intel-demos-android-23-on-a-medfield-smartphone-prototype.ars
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4786/intels-honeycomb-reference-tablet-89mm-thick-medfield-inside
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4829/there-will-be-two-32nm-atom-socs-in-2012-medfield-and-one-other
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/13/intel-moving-away-from-meego-android-for-atom-would-suggest-so/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/intel-idf-2011-day-1-keynote-wheres-meego/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/15/tango-video-calling-demoed-on-mango-based-htc-titan-video/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/21/samsung-releases-atandt-galaxy-s-ii-kernel-source-far-in-advance-o/
http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/09/20/samsung-to-open-source-bada-next-year-will-they-use-meego-to-do-it/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/26/survey-finds-blackberry-developers-still-profitable-android-mar/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/26/android-powered-56-percent-of-smartphones-sold-in-the-last-3-mon/
Harmattan Apps or built-in functionality
http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/09/13/putting-nokia-in-the-driving-seat-with-nokia-car-mode/
http://store.ovi.com/content/190015 (looking pretty awesome)
http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/09/12/shutterpro-premium-vs-camerapro-head-to-head/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/14/ovi-app-wizard-on-nokia-n950-meego-harmattan/ (woopty doo)
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4494
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/12/too-many-emulators-to-fit-here-coming-to-your-n9-and-n950/
http://www.d-pointer.com/2011/09/06/quickflickr-for-n9-is-available-at-ovi-store/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/podcatcher-open-source-meego-harmattan-nokia-n9/
http://nokiadownloadblog.com/apps/folder-gallery-1-0-4-symbian-meego-maemo/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/xbmc-remote-nokia-n900-n950-n9-meego-harmattan-maemo/
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1087294#post1087294
http://www.manvsmachine.co.uk/projects/project/nokia_n9
http://mattaustin.me.uk/2011/09/configuring-iinet-voip-iitalk-on-the-nokia-n9/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/peregrine-nokia-n950-meego-harmattan/
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/16/peregrine-1-1-the-flight-includes-video-call-for-n9-and-meego-tablet/
http://preesworld.com/mobile/2011/09/12/1st-meego-qt-app-gps-info-mee-for-n9n950/#comment-163
media downloader
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4479
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/16/3dhappyfrog-for-harmattan-qt3dqmlbullet-physics-engine-like-a-3d-angry-birds/
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/17/video-editing-pictures-on-n9-gallery/
http://4squick.com/4squick-v096-beta-now-available-in-ovi-store
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/18/low-light-picture-taken-with-n9/
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/18/nseries-blog-the-best-photography-apps/
also avail for meego
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/19/magic-photos-selective-photo-editor-for-symbian/
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/19/plans-to-bring-voddler-to-n9/
Cool app for WP, love to see it brought to Harmattan
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/21/transparentxt-for-wp-walk-and-text/
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4516
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/22/fennec-4-0-2-scores-2779-on-html5/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/alextootchie-rt-w00teh-hacking-days-qml-app-launcherswitcher-meego-httpt-cohddzqbmp/
Now this is sweet, I love the Read It Later add-on for Firefox & iOS, very handy
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/download-meepaper-read-client/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfnmJxT6kxg
Marxian's finished MusikCloud ;)
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1096955#post1096955
Bit of a simplistic test, & no doubt w/an old build of Harmattan, but still.
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/12/video-html5-speed-reading-test-nokia-n9-vs-iphone-4-vs-htc-hd7/
There was that much more technical analysis I posted a while back…
N9/Belle availability news/rumours
http://blog.vodafone.com.au/blog/nokia-n9-coming-soon/
Nokia N9 Malaysia launch event + hands-on (note the ninjas)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=epfdZuZ2hqs
Includes other videos…
http://yourstop.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/nokia-malaysias-n9-launch-event-summary/
Sigh….
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/14/nokia-700-now-shipping-with-belle/
Official amazon listing (i.e. not 3rd party) says 23/09?
http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-64GB-Black-Cyan-Magenta/dp/B005HA3Y2O/ref
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/21/optusbusiness-com-au-offering-7th-october-release-for-n9/
MeeGo/Qt News/Development
http://www.macieira.org/blog/2011/09/new-domain-for-qt-announced-qt-project-org/
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Develop/NFC/
<SNIP>First, let me paint you the picture the way that I see it, I’m sure that the MeeGo project was put on hold,
but I feel it was due to the fact that they needed to choose a new direction which is not reliant on Nokia’s tools, ie Qt.<SNIP>
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/intel%E2%80%99s-appup-heading-html5/
http://kunalmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/09/accessing-amazon-web-service-from-qt.html
http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/09/19/new-qt-quick3d-packages-available/
http://qt.nokia.com/qtdevdays2011/
So sad, even Nokia doesn't want Qt devs anymore....
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/09/21/nokia-and-microsoft-are-giving-you-to-help-develop-for-wp/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/21/microsoft-adds-api-mapping-symbian-qt/
It's seemingly doing it's best to help its Qt devs become WP devs instead.
So ah, what about that Qt/S40 next billion strategy you were tooting at the launch & still are Nokia?
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/09/21/video-more-hints-about-qt-and-swipe-in-future-nokia-phones-from-marko-ahtisaari-at-n9-launch-in-dubai/
N9 Reviews/Vids
This one's pretty slick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYgRNgVwzxU
regional manager for SEAsia explaining why Malaysia was chosen as one of the 1st countries (most friends online?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2sU6Vg_zUg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOQUSVF66IQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d5eRu_bMFo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WtHAehpk1M
Belle review, Harmattan will get a bigger tick overall (but will still have the apps bogey)
http://blog.gsmarena.com/leaving-anna-for-belle-we-take-an-up-close-look-at-symbians-latest-version-review/#more-19367?=MNB
N9 review (non-english)
http://www.usporedi.hr/testovi/kratki-pogled-nokia-n9-meego
accompanying vids
http://vimeo.com/29472286
http://vimeo.com/29472424
Beast Phones: tried to leave out ones that are pure speculation, occasional korean/jap. unicorn included :D
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/14/htc-sensation-xe-gets-official-packing-1-5ghz-dual-core-cpu-and/
Very similar to the HTC Titan (WP7), slightly better overall by-the-looks (still not very exciting)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/13/htc-runnymede-and-bliss-details-sneak-out-from-leak-town/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/21/samsung-shv-e120l-comes-out-of-the-development-dark-is-the-xtin/
This is about is exciting as poor old WP has been getting, haven't seen anything better yet
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/12/atandt-announces-mango-lineup-new-phones-and-updates-coming-this/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/23/motorolas-atrix-2-edison-flaunts-qhd-display-hands-on-reveal/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/25/rogers-getting-samsung-galaxy-s-glide-in-time-for-the-holidays/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/26/samsung-announces-galaxy-s-ii-lte-and-galaxy-s-ii-hd-lte-handset/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/26/fujitsu-toshiba-unveils-waterproof-arrows-z-isw11f-handset-with
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/26/t-mobile-reveals-htc-amaze-4g-flaunts-better-camera-and-fas/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/hands-on-with-htcs-amaze-4g-video/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/26/t-mobile-makes-galaxy-s-ii-official-at-mobilize-ships-on-octobe/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/samsungs-galaxy-s-ii-for-t-mobile-proves-that-unicorns-do-exist/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/hitachis-4-5-inch-ips-hd-display-delivers-329ppi-on-the-cheap-c/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/29/sharps-aquos-phone-102sh-brings-3d-qhd-display-12-megapixel-cm/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/29/htc-holiday-spotted-sunning-itself-on-australian-shores/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/30/sharps-aquos-104sh-monster-phone-hits-softbank-next-spring-col/
danramos
2011-09-30, 02:10
yup
*holds arms out*
anyway...
Is the iphone really THAT good? I've used the first couple but wasn't really impressed. iOS 5 doesn't change my thoughts....so basically its hardware design is its strong point? Apart from the sheer number of apps, can it do anything else that the other OSes can't?
I wouldn't know. I couldn't buy an iOS product even if I wanted one since I don't have any Windows or Macintosh computers in the house to connect it and activate, update, upgrade, sync, etc. This is one of the reasons why I really loved Maemo and now Android--it doesn't require a desktop computer to tether to--it IS a computer all on its own.
shaddup... :D
What? I'm just talkin' 'bout Samsung Galaxy S3 (http://www.metro.co.uk/tech/876627-samsung-galaxy-s3-details-leaked-on-internet-messageboard)!
From the rumors I've read around:
10 megapixel camera
camera can capture video at 1080p @ 60fps
1280x1024 SuperAMOLED+ screen
2GHz quad-core CPU
1.5GB RAM
32GB internal storage
NFC chip
Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0)
rumored to be released somewhere around the start of 2012
(Much of this sounds like the specs for the Nexus Prime coming out at the end of this year.) More reason why the N9 is just already too little on specs, wayyyy too late.
What? NP specs aren't as crazy arse as that!
Not far off though. Okay def. going now, walking away, bye :)
*edit*
There's one or two posts I've wanted to respond to, that I will later.
But that's it...
danramos
2011-09-30, 02:30
What? NP specs aren't as crazy arse as that!
Not far off though. Okay def. going now, walking away, bye :)
Well, I know the NP has the same screen resolution and it'll be a dual-core, not a quad. It's not that far off.
Um... if you guys were seriously interested in a Nokia N9, private message me with what you are looking for.
News coming in a few of days.
Well, I know the NP has the same screen resolution and it'll be a dual-core, not a quad. It's not that far off.
Dual core, 1.5ghz Exynos from what I've gathered. Sadly, it's shot to my "must have" list - if they have an AT&T variant coming out.
Until then, I've sold all of my other unused phones, leaving only the Atrix - I love this phone, it's been hacked to bejeezus and back, not one complaint - and my Dell Venue Pro (yep, WP7 is in da' haus!) to make room for something.
warrentaye
2011-09-30, 03:47
Um... if you guys were seriously interested in a Nokia N9, private message me with what you are looking for.
News coming in a few of days.
Still very interested cant PM yet it seems.
16gb cyan if available otherwise black
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