View Full Version : N9 FAQ: facts vs. fiction
shallimus
2011-06-22, 17:36
Introduction
This is not a complete guide. This is intended to save one or two people a minute or two which they would otherwise have spent asking / answering the same questions over and over again.
External references
If you haven't seen these, you should. The aim of this FAQ isn't just to reproduce these official references.
Nokia N9 specifications page (http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/specifications)
Nokia factsheet (http://press.nokia.com/wp-content/uploads/mediaplugin/doc/1-nokia-n9-data-sheet.pdf) (presumably intended for media/sales people)
Nokia Swipe (http://swipe.nokia.com/) (UX Guidelines (http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/getting_started.html))
Developer device spec reference (http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9/)
Acknowledgements: Commander (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1036184&postcount=5)
General
What is the N9?
It is a consumer phone announced by Nokia at the Nokia Connection event on 21st June 2011 in Singapore.
So is it the market-disrupting device?
We were promised a "market-disrupting device" on the 21st of June. Most of us assumed that means the N9. However, Peter@Maemo Marketing states (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1034241&postcount=46) that what comes after the N9 will be the real disruption. What this means is open to debate.
What is the N950? Can I buy an N950?
It is a developer device. It has a hardware keyboard. Nokia have indicated that it will not be available for purchase. Instead, it will be distributed by Nokia via the usual developer channels. Further information on the N950 is available in a number of places, including this post (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74215).
So when can I buy an N9?
Over 2 months since the announcement, and we are still waiting for solid info on dates. Sadly, none yet - only some hints (a countdown which was removed from a Nokia website, some suppliers expecting the phone "in September").
The Nokia website doesn't list my country (e.g. UK, US) so will it even be released for me?
Fact: importing electronics sucks. Indications are that the list found on the Nokia Check N9 Availability (http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/check-availability?cid=ncomprod-fw-ilc-bdy-n9lnkms2pp_228x96-na-ms_swipe-g0-en-1todtmt773311) page only indicates availability in Nokia Store. It may well be available through networks or third parties in countries which are not listed; for example, the UK Nokia Store is closing at the end of June 2011 so they won't be selling it through that [non-existent] channel, but perhaps an operator will pick it up. As time goes forward, availability seems to be going down (not up).
So... how much is the N9 gonna cost?
We don't know yet. Some people are quoting Eldar Murtazin as saying it will be €450+tax, but that's based on a rumour which is at least 6 months old. How reliable is that as a source? You decide :rolleyes:
Operating System / Software
I heard that I won't be able to put my apps into folders on the home screen. Gnaargh?
This is not possible currently, but according to konttorri (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1035259&postcount=370)this should be possible following an OS update (date unknown).
What are the chances of halfway decent MS Exchange support?
Actually this looks promising, as bugs are being fixed (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=int-180957).
How about last.fm scrobbling?
Looks like MeeGo forum user (and N950 recipient) Olka is working on it (http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=27948&postcount=411).
Will Alien Dalvik come to N9?
There is a 'alien dalvik on the N9 (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74268)' thread which contains links which might suggest that Alien Dalvik is coming to MeeGo/the N9. However, later posts in the same thread indicate that it seems unlikely.
What is the Aegis security platform? What is MSSF? How will it affect my use of the N9?
I have not yet developed an understanding of either, so I'm not going to attempt to explain them. qole's blog post (http://qole.blogspot.com/2011/07/please-remove-harmattan-platform.html) on this topic is a great read. More discussion is here on gmane.org (http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.security.general/175).
Display
Is there an HDMI port on the N9?
Nope. There is no physical HDMI port on the N9. Confirmed by everyone who has handled the device since the launch.
Could there be some kind of HDMI-via-MHL-via-MicroUSB setup, like Samsung Galaxy S2?
Probably not. There's currently nothing to suggest that the N9 could support this.
Media
The N9 is capable of 720p video playback, right?
The N9 is capable of playing video using its "Wide codec support: H.263, MPEG4-SP & ASP, H.264 BP/MP, WMV9 / VC-1 and Mkv (Matroska) (http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/specifications)"
Matroska isn't a video codec.
No, it's not (http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/249117-mkv-codec-only). But let's stay on-topic...
So the N9 is capable of displaying 720p video, right?
Not at native resolution on the screen. Weasel words from Nokia marketing might make you think that it can, but the N9 display resolution is FWVGA (854 x 480 pixels), but 720p video is 1280x720 pixels. However, the N9 screen is 16:9, so it should show scale wide-screen video quite nicely.
Not via HDMI either. There's no HDMI connector :mad:
Should be possible via DLNA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLNA). Harmattan includes Rygel UPnP AV MediaServer and MediaRenderer (http://live.gnome.org/Rygel). Still waiting for further information on exactly how this can be used in a practical situation.
Does the N9 support Flash?
This has caused some confusion. The answer is:
The N9 has native support for Flash video.
The browser does not support Flash out of the box.
Will Flash be added to the browser at a future date?
We don't know. It's easy to extrapolate based on the non-existent Flash 10.1 update for the N900, but all we have for now is speculation and hope/despair/indifference. There's some hope that Fennec-for-N9 may get Flash. It's still very much wait-and-see, though. Jalyst's summary of the situation: "A Nokia dev responsible for testing/tweaking Fennec on Harmattan has finished testing the latest flash binary using his build of Fennec & has confirmed all is working well. The only road block left, is trying to convince management to license a signed binary. His latest responses re: how that's progressing are positive, yet still quite vague..."
Does the media player now have an equaliser?
Can anyone point to anything on this? Perhaps someone who has had hands-on experience?
Can the N9 receive/transmit FM radio?
There is no mention of FM capability on the official N9 spec. The FM status of N9 thread (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74234) has not yet reached a firm conclusion.
The N9 contains hardware (http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23119&postcount=145), which is physically capable of both receiving and transmitting FM (TI WL1271?); however, it is not known what OS/driver/software work would be required to make use of this.
It seems that there's no aerial connected to the FM transmitter (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1047992&postcount=16).
What media syncing capabilities will the N9 have?
Software called Nokia Link is coming for the N9 according to NokiaGadgets.com (http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/23/nokia-link-sync-your-n9/).
Of course, you can always transfer stuff using Mass Storage mode (like the N900).
Design
Critically important question: what colours will the N9 come in?
The N9 announcement and all web materials show the N9 in an average of 2.5 colours and 0.5 shades: Black (which is arguably a shade, not a colour), magenta (which is definitely not pink) and cyan (which some people might mistakenly see as 'blue').
What is polycarbonate?
Wikipedia suggests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarbonate) that it is a type of plastic suitable for use in complex industrial design. One useful property is that it can be deformed at room temperature without cracking or breaking. In the case of the N9, the shell is coloured all the way through so that scratches don't show up as much as they do on coated cases (e.g. N95). Having said that, N900 case material also seems to be uniformly coloured as scratching does not reveal another colour inside.
Does the N9 have a microSIM? I saw some photos of an N9 with a regular SIM.
MicroSIM. Prototype devices had a regular SIM card, but all release models have microSIM (as listed on the device spec page).
Does the N9 have a microSD slot? 64GB of internal storage is nice, but I might need more...
There is no memory card slot on the N9 (confirmed by the device spec and everyone who has handled the device).
Thanks to everyone who has contributed information, links or meaningful discussion - particularly jalyst who has been busy digging up a great deal.
Acidspunk
2011-06-22, 17:45
Magenta is not pink. Just sayin'.
torpedo48
2011-06-22, 17:49
If you have enough energy to energy to point out that the FAQ is deficient in some way, please add meaningful commentary and/or sources and I will update the FAQ (and credit you, FWIW).
Thanks for the briefing about the N9; will you credit me for reporting the repetition of "energy to"? :D :D (kidding of course)
quipper8
2011-06-22, 17:49
and cyan is not blue...
Commander
2011-06-22, 17:50
A Fact: The N9 is without Adobe Flash
My Vision: No N9 for me.
More Information http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9/
And black is not a color. Cmon, try to stay constructive, or we will get another unuseful thread with 5k posts.
quipper8
2011-06-22, 17:59
And black is not a color. Cmon, try to stay constructive, or we will get another unuseful thread with 5k posts.
well, this OP is trying to be extremely precise...so in that vein...nokia has said the colors are black, cyan, and magenta...FACT
Any improvements for the media player? Does it still not have an equalizer?
Nice thread.
Just a little remark:
What is the N9?
Fact: It is a consumer phone (the "market-disrupting device") announced by Nokia at the Nokia Connection event on 21st June 2011 in Singapore.
The N9 is not part of the "future disruptions" strategy. That's planned for the next Meego device. (If it ever comes...)
Source:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1034241&postcount=46
shallimus
2011-06-22, 18:21
Thanks everyone for comments & contributions so far. Unfortunately my employer is expecting me to do some actual work (I have a suspicion that TMO doesn't count).
Back in a few hours to update further.
Will flash come to n9 (10.x+)? This is pretty important IMHO.
What about myriad Alien Dalvik? There has been a rumour lately, some internet article saying it will come to harmattan (if nessacery, ill provide the link) what seems rather fiction than fact..
well, this OP is trying to be extremely precise...so in that vein...nokia has said the colors are black, cyan, and magenta...FACT
I'll use irony tags next time.
What about myriad Alien Dalvik? There has been a rumour lately, some internet article saying it will come to harmattan (if nessacery, ill provide the link) what seems rather fiction than fact..
I highly doubt we will see Dalvik. The article that you're probably talking about is a pure speculation (or even less than that: they just say this is theoretically possible, but what isn't). Moreover, I would say that most of those quasi-articles are inspired by discussions from this forum.
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
http://wiki.meego.com/images/thumb/Meego-rocks.png/120px-Meego-rocks.png
Bump! This thread used to be a really nice start, let's try to keep it going.
update regarding fm trnsmitter. no antenna.
http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23726&postcount=301
Please rework section regarding 720p video playback. N9 is capable to play 720p videos. However, it cannot output it in the same resolution to 720p-capable displays (TV set or similar) due to lack appropriate hardware. It is possible to see 720p video as 480i content via TV-out cable.
N9, however, includes DLNA support and in future updates appropriate user interface will be added for it so that 720p video output will become possible for DLNA-enabled TV sets or other DLNA certified media players (DMP).
1)
We don't know with certainty that MHL isn't implemented via 3.5mm or mUSB, or cannot be w/future updates.
Thereby providing the N9 w/a means of 720p/HDMI output.
2)
DLNA's apparently implemented, but I've seen no evidence that a GUI for it will be included.
There's suggestions that future updates may include a GUI, but so far no official promises that I'm aware of.
What I want to know is... if DLNA will improve the probability of reliable 1080p output?
I'd assume it has very little bearing, & that the underlying WiFi transport (802.11a), how it's configured...
And overall signal quality to the client device, matters far more, but I'm not 100% certain...
mikelima
2011-07-10, 07:09
Please rework section regarding 720p video playback. N9 is capable to play 720p videos. However, it cannot output it in the same resolution to 720p-capable displays (TV set or similar) due to lack appropriate hardware. It is possible to see 720p video as 480i content via TV-out cable.
What about PAL? I suppose it could be possible to output at 1024x576@25 in PAL widescreen mode.
But probably it would simply be a scaled up 856x480.
@shallimus
I just started a similar (albeit w/a subtly diff. focus) thread here
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1047959#post1047959
I was not aware you'd already stared one...
If you intend to actively maintain this one, then I'm happy to ditch it.
So as to avoid a "division of labour"? Lemme know.
Cheers
What about PAL? I suppose it could be possible to output at 1024x576@25 in PAL widescreen mode.
But probably it would simply be a scaled up 856x480.
Yeah just re-scaled, nothing to be excited about :(
What about PAL? I suppose it could be possible to output at 1024x576@25 in PAL widescreen mode.
But probably it would simply be a scaled up 856x480.
It is a clone output so no modification from the internal display resolution.
1)
We don't know with certainty that MHL isn't implemented via 3.5mm or mUSB, or cannot be w/future updates.
Thereby providing the N9 w/a means of 720p/HDMI output.
2)
DLNA's apparently implemented, but I've seen no evidence that a GUI for it will be included.
There's suggestions that future updates may include a GUI, but so far no official promises that I'm aware of.
What I want to know is... if DLNA will somehow improve the probability of reliable 1080p output?
I'd assume it has very little bearing, & that the underlying WiFi implementation, how it's configured...
And overall signal quality to the client device, matters far more, but I'm not 100% certain...
DLNA in this context is simply being able to stream compressed data from N9 to DMP (i.e. TV set). It does not matter what resolution of the video file is there as all N9 would do in such case is only give out the stream, no decoding is happening on N9 side. Think about it as if N9 was a small http server and your TV was a "browser".
Regarding HDMI/MHL -- there is none and will not be. Sorry, too late.
DLNA in this context is simply being able to stream compressed data from N9 to DMP (i.e. TV set). It does not matter what resolution of the video file is there as all N9 would do in such case is only give out the stream, no decoding is happening on N9 side. Think about it as if N9 was a small http server and your TV was a "browser".
Fair enough, but that doesn't really serve to prove how DLNA augments the delivery of HD video formats to end devices.
If it does that & does it well then great, I'm not against it per say, any specific examples of where it's used to great effect?
What about 802.11an, do we know for sure that there'll be support?
Regarding HDMI/MHL -- there is none and will not be. Sorry, too late.
Oh, so you're a Nokia dev. involved in that area? :rolleyes:
Sorry, but not a very compelling argument as-to-why it's not present or do-able.
The N9 is capable of 720p video playback, right?
Fact: the N9 is capable of playing video using its "Wide codec support: H.263, MPEG4-SP & ASP, H.264 BP/MP, WMV9 / VC-1 and Mkv (Matroska) (http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/specifications)"
So the N9 is capable of displaying 720p video, right?
Fiction: Not possible. Weasel words from Nokia marketing might make you think that it can, but the N9 display resolution is FWVGA (854 x 480 pixels), but 720p video is 1280x720 pixels. However, the N9 screen is 16:9, so it should show scale wide-screen video quite nicely.
... And Galaxy S2 is capable of playing 1080p though the screen has the same (!)resolution. Not suprising really.
Ad rules! meh
Matroska isn't a video codec.
Fact: No, it's not (http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/249117-mkv-codec-only). But let's stay on-topic...
The official Divx company said that their Divx+ encode videos in .mkv .As a result, there is a high chance that a .mkv video is encoded with Divx+(Link (http://www.divx.com/en/software/divx-plus/converter)) or at least playable with Divx+ decoding package.
Does the N9 support Flash?
This has caused some confusion. The answer is:
Fact: the N9 has native support for Flash video.
Fiction: the browser does not support Flash (yes yes, just like the iPhone).
iPhone users can get adobe flash playback with a 3rd party browser(i.e:skyfire). The mentioned internet browser also enables android users to play silverlight content.(e.g:NetFlix,IMDb and etc.) In addition, they said that it's likely they will start porting their browser into Meego platform. Even if they don't, users could still get flash playback by installing Firefox(Apparently). So to say that a platform does support flash content and another one does not is a certain misguide mostly caused by company ads like google (and others)
Does anyone have exact info on the N9's h.264 decoder? There's different profiles of h.264 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles) and N900 could only play the "Baseline" profile. With most h.264 videos being either "Main" or "High" profiles, I'm interested in knowing if N9 can play those without re-encoding.
Does anyone have exact info on the N9's h.264 decoder? There's different profiles of h.264 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles) and N900 could only play the "Baseline" profile. With most h.264 videos being either "Main" or "High" profiles, I'm interested in knowing if N9 can play those without re-encoding.
iPhone and iPod have the same limitation last time I have heard of them.I am not exactly sure whether this problem has been fixed by now, but most of the(iPhone) users won't even care about it because the iPhone is shipped with a converter.Same might happen to N9.
EDIT:Furthermore,the OP said that the N9 can play BP and MP.
Ah, seems I missed that small text about h.264 BP/MP support. That's lot better that just base profile, although high profile would have been nice... It probably means that I still need to re-encode most videos.
steveburczymucha
2011-07-10, 09:42
Ah, seems I missed that small text about h.264 BP/MP support. That's lot better that just base profile, although high profile would have been nice... It probably means that I still need to re-encode most videos.
Please note that spec says that for H,264 HD only Base Profile is supported. What a pity, event X7 does that better... Is this SoC limitation? X7 has aging BCM2727... Is it really better than OMAP 3630?
There has been 3rd party made decoders for OMAP that can handle bigger resolutions/profiles than the ones provided by TI. I guess Nokia hasn't dished the money to buy them and are using the TI ones.
Odd thing is that I read that High profile is about as slow to decode as Main profile (both use CABAC entropy encoding) so it's odd if N9 supports Main profile but not High? And I'm not really worried if it can't decode 720p, because the screen can't show it without resize anyway.
Fair enough, but that doesn't really serve to prove how DLNA augments the delivery of HD video formats to end devices.
If it does that & does it well then great, I'm not against it per say, any specific examples of where it's used to great effect?
Check DLNA specs. Or go to http://live.gnome.org/Rygel and check there, this is the implementation used on the Harmattan platform. Practically, all UI would need to do is to set appropriate bit in Tracker database and have rygel service started.
Oh, so you're a Nokia dev. involved in that area? :rolleyes:
Sorry, but not a very compelling argument as-to-why it's not present or do-able.
I cannot dive into details why and how Nokia does its own product development.
If you need some verification, you may check my profile on maemo.org (same nickname as on TMO).
These threads, unfortunately, full of analysis of technical details done by people with little or not engineering background, thus many factual errors are present. If a mere attempt to correct those meets opposition, so be it -- I'm fine not to fight insisting dark ages knowledge. ;)
iPhone users can get adobe flash playback with a 3rd party browser(i.e:skyfire). The mentioned internet browser also enables android users to play silverlight content.(e.g:NetFlix,IMDb and etc.) In addition, they said that it's likely that they will start porting their browser into Meego platform. Even if they don't, users could still get flash playback by installing Firefox. So to say that a platform does support flash content and another one does not is a certain misguide mostly caused by company ads like google (and others)
It is not that simple. Skyfire converts Flash content to HTML5 so that it can be displayed, but this is done remotely by special servers. I guess I don't need to mention how different this is from native Flash support.
It is not that simple. Skyfire converts Flash content to HTML5 so that it can be displayed, but this is done remotely by special servers. I guess I don't need to mention how different this is from native Flash support.
Different, yes. But to say that iPhone does not support flash as a disadvantage in the android forum(and as an ad probably) ... it's not fair IMO.(And vice versa for NetFlix support)
Therefore, N9 can locally play flash content with Firefox AFAIK, which is not too much different from native support.
Ah, and before I forget, have I told you that the N9 browser has the highest score in html5test.com versus the other mobile platforms?
erendorn
2011-07-10, 11:12
Therefore, N9 can locally play flash content with Firefox AFAIK, which is not too much different from native support.
Source? I though it had been corrected as "Firefox on N9 has support for plugins, but there's no such plugin"
Ah, and before I forget, have I told you that the N9 browser has the highest score in html5test.com versus the other mobile platforms?
Has it improved? last time I saw them, iOS 5 still did better.
Source? I though it had been corrected as "Firefox on N9 has support for plugins, but there's no such plugin"
This is what I have heard. Let's not make this an argue.:)
Has it improved? last time I saw them, iOS 5 still did better.
I meant Meego 1.2, in the current releases.
Different, yes. But to say that iPhone does not support flash as a disadvantage in the android forum(and as an ad probably) ... it's not fair IMO.(And vice versa for NetFlix support)
I would say it's completely fair because it's true. From the N900 you can use VNC to connect to your desktop machine running GNU/Linux, Windows, or whatever... Thus you can play Flash 10 content without any problems and do whatever you want... but does that mean the N900 supports Windows 7 or Flash 10? Not really...
I would say it's completely fair because it's true. From the N900 you can use VNC to connect to your desktop machine running GNU/Linux, Windows, or whatever... Thus you can play Flash 10 content without any problems and do whatever you want... but does that mean the N900 supports Windows 7 or Flash 10? Not really...
I would say that N900 does support Flash 10(Via Iceweasel browser I have heard). Why not?:)
Check DLNA specs. Or go to http://live.gnome.org/Rygel and check there, this is the implementation used on the Harmattan platform. Practically, all UI would need to do is to set appropriate bit in Tracker database and have rygel service started.
Excellent thanks, seems like a GUI is most certainly a "hop, skip, & a jump" away! :D
I cannot dive into details why and how Nokia does its own product development.
If you need some verification, you may check my profile on maemo.org (same nickname as on TMO).
Linked-in tells me you were (until recently) a "senior engineer" for Nokia.
I see no specific mention of work done in the area of video-out.
Good for you and thanks for your efforts...
But how does this prove you know anything about the implementation/s (current/future) of vid-out for the N9?
These threads, unfortunately, full of analysis of technical details done by people with little or not engineering background, thus many factual errors are present.
Not a dig at me I hope?
No the problem is there's little-to-no appropriate info, from which to derive a definitive answer.
If a mere attempt to correct those meets opposition, so be it -- I'm fine not to fight insisting dark ages knowledge. ;)
Usually when you claim something as fact, you provide a basis for why you know it's true.
You don't just turn around & insult the person questioning the basis for your claim :confused:
Therefore, N9 can locally play flash content with Firefox AFAIK, which is not too much different from native support.
After Kontorri seemingly suggested it was...
Some other devs turned around & said flash support isn't there for fenec.
It's somewhere in this epic thread....
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74181&page=170
What they said was pretty vague IIRC, so I guess there's still a slim chance.
I would say that N900 does support Flash 10(Via Iceweasel browser I have heard). Why not?:)
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=876296#post876296
There's some buggy recent-ish versions of flash people have tried amongst the thousands of posts in this thread
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37922&page=186
But flash 10x for ARM isn't officially supported, as Nokia hasn't bothered to pay Adobe for the licensing.
The buggy ones floating around are licensed to TI for OEM's using TI SoC's to "borrow".
Linked-in tells me you were (until recently) a "senior engineer" for Nokia.
I see no specific mention of work done in the area of video-out.
Good for you and thanks for your efforts...
But how does this prove you know anything about the implementation/s (current/future) of vid-out for the N9?
Perhaps you looked at different linkedin profile? I wasn't an engineer, it was a bit different.
Anyway, if you don't take a word of a person who worked on the platform and the devices, that's up to you. I never hidden my credentials on this web site and never had made a statement that I don't stand behind. However, you probably could understand that even after departing my former employer, I'm bound with certain chains with regards to exact details. What can be revealed is something that you could otherwise find yourself from large track of our open source activities and Nokia's already published materials anyway.
I hope it is not viewed as a personal attack...
How do we get correct information in the first post without OP?
Focus on the device please in this thread before I make the whole forum go off topic ;) Yes, I can do that.
Perhaps you looked at different linkedin profile? I wasn't an engineer, it was a bit different.
It says "senior architect",
I assumed that meant you were a lead software engineer/programmer @Nok.
My apologies....
Anyway, if you don't take a word of a person who worked on the platform and the devices, that's up to you. I never hidden my credentials on this web site and never had made a statement that I don't stand behind. However, you probably could understand that even after departing my former employer, I'm bound with certain chains with regards to exact details. What can be revealed is something that you could otherwise find yourself from large track of our open source activities and Nokia's already published materials anyway.
Fair enough, I guess I'll take your word for it :(
But please, at least answer us this...
Why on earth didn't you guys implement at least 720p-out?
IIRC, even 2yrs ago 480i composite-out was nothing special.
Were you guys oblivious to what competitors were doing?
Don't you think it's counter-intuitive to devise a phone that does 720p recording*, but can't do 720p-out?
Yes built-in WiFi + DLNA, & USB-OTG can help mitigate this to some extent.
And they're both useful features in their own right...
But neither are a suitable replacement for decent video-out.
I think the job you guys have done "overall" is very solid/excellent.
But when it comes to hardware there's some areas where you've been very conservative, even backward.
And this is alienating/bewildering many potential customers. :confused:
*even that's anaemic by today's standards, but at least it'll be "good quality" 720p capture.
I hope it is not viewed as a personal attack...
None taken at all, & apologies if I've caused any offence to you.
<SNIP> before I make the whole forum go off topic ;) Yes, I can do that.
Yes you can, yes indeed you can... *shudder*
Don't worry I'm wrapping it up ASAP.
I definitely don't want to unleash your fearsome trolling abilities :D
Sigh... waste of time asking....
Just got a PM from Abbra saying he can't (legally) address this post (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1048435#post1048435).
As they're questions for Nokia Product Management.
Understandable... but still hugely frustrating :(
steveburczymucha
2011-07-10, 20:21
There has been 3rd party made decoders for OMAP that can handle bigger resolutions/profiles than the ones provided by TI. I guess Nokia hasn't dished the money to buy them and are using the TI ones.
I googled this kind of thing: http://www.ittiam.com/en/Embedded/Platforms/TI-SoCs/OMAP3-720p-Bundle.aspx
Well, I know that's the matter of reencoding but if I could avoid that...
and cyan is not blue...
Nine out of ten cats said it was blue! :)
Why on earth didn't you guys implement at least 720p-out?
IIRC, even 2yrs ago 480i composite-out was nothing special.
Were you guys oblivious to what competitors were doing?
Don't you think it's counter-intuitive to devise a phone that does 720p recording*, but can't do 720p-out?
I think asking such questions from a _software_ architect is just rude. Do you think the software people are responsible for the hardware design?
BTW OMAP3 isn't actually designed for the use case you desire. Making it work would likely involve extra hardware and some interesting software gymnastics, and even then the result would probably be less than stellar.
How do we get correct information in the first post without OP?
Focus on the device please in this thread before I make the whole forum go off topic ;) Yes, I can do that.
Please refrain from threats and pretending you are a thug. ;)
shallimus
2011-07-10, 21:08
@shallimus
I just started a similar (albeit w/a subtly diff. focus) thread here
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1047959#post1047959
I was not aware you'd already stared one...
If you intend to actively maintain this one, then I'm happy to ditch it.
So as to avoid a "division of labour"? Lemme know.
Cheers
Yes, I'll maintain this as best I can. Been very busy the last week or so, but I'll keep an eye out.
Updated FMTX section and added DLNA mention, but - unless I've missed it - I still don't see a clear explanation how how DLNA can perform the same job as HDMI out (my understanding is that it cannot - please confirm/correct using citations wherever possible if you are in a position to do so).
Please let me know if there's anything else I can update in Post #1 to make it more useful/accurate (I'm sure there's lots).
I think asking such questions from a _software_ architect is just rude. Do you think the software people are responsible for the hardware design?
Um yes, I think he would know...
But he's already explained to me why he can't go into more detail, & I accept that without qualm.
BTW OMAP3 isn't actually designed for the use case you desire. Making it work would likely involve extra hardware and some interesting software gymnastics, and even then the result would probably be less than stellar.
I've previously pointed out that the underlying SoC (3630) is a limiting factor.
But not in the way you assert...
There's no reason MHL 720p-out functionality couldn't be added to TI's 'reference design' SoC.
Whether there's enough grunt to output to 720p displays without grinding everything else to a halt.
Is where it gets unclear...
some N9 preorder pricing fun:
geizhals.at (http://geizhals.at/eu/?cat=umtsover&xf=1022_Nokia~842_854x480#xf_top)
you can already preorder the 64GB version for only €999,- !
^ 999 euros? That's a joke!
There's no way that's a uniform price.
It'll be much cheaper elsewhere.
Is that a serious e-shop. Or just some minor store trying a marketing stunt. Anyone bought stuff from them in the past?
Love the price 999 euro :)
don't worry, that's just some retailer trying to scam the impatient :)
ericsson
2011-07-11, 08:53
don't worry, that's just some retailer trying to scam the impatient :)
Listed as compatible accessories
http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/chargers/nokia-bicycle-charger-kit
Love the price 999 euro :)
999 is the number your bank manager dials if you buy one. ;)
There's no doubt that this device will be overpriced, especially the 64GB version. If Nokia can charge over £400 for the X7, who knows what they have in mind for the N9. :/
Same for Verkkokauppa.com in Finland -- they offer pre-order for 999.90EUR. It is normal practice, though, for all new products where Verkkokauppa is not sure about actual price and availability date.
http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/27153/dccgd/Nokia-N9-alypuhelin-16GB-musta
shallimus
2011-07-11, 13:13
So in conclusion we still have no idea when or how much we'll be able to buy the device.
Of all the things that Elop should have changed, the "Hey here's a phone you want. We'll release it Soon™ once all that pesky excitement has died down and people have already bought something else" nonsense should have been #1
As others have noted, maybe he's saving that for the Sea Ray... :mad:
I'm srsly evolving into a massive Nokia hater as each day passes.
Not a fanboy of any brand, just a hater of Nokia...
sjgadsby
2011-07-11, 14:17
I'm srsly evolving into a massive Nokia hater as each day passes.
Not a fanboy of any brand, just a hater of Nokia...
Well, if you become that which you hate, remember:
Don't shift the focus of you competitive drive from external in the marketplace to internal, siloed divisions.
Should you accidentally do #1, don't try to recover by hiring a Canadian CEO.
Well, if you become that which you hate, remember:
Don't shift the focus of you competitive drive from external in the marketplace to internal, siloed divisions <SNIP>
I don't quite get what you're saying here.
You mean if I become Nokia don't do (1)?
Can you elaborate on what you mean by (1) :confused:
On 2nd thoughts don't bother, that'll take this thread way OT!
Prolly best for a dedicated thread, if you can be bothered :)
sjgadsby
2011-07-11, 15:40
Don't quite get what you mean by (1)
Years ago, Nokia deliberately split internally and erected silos: E series, N series, and mobiles. Only E was permitted to include in their devices features thought to be of interest to on-the-go business people. Only N was permitted to include in their devices features thought to be of interest to creative, media hungry, tech savvy users. And the mobiles division got the massive S40 and S30 market.
Consumers demanded smartphones that could serve them all day, both in the office and out. They demanded ActiveSync, powerful office tools, games, great media playback, good web browsing, powerful cameras, the works. E and N each waved their hands and stomped their feet. "Why do you keep asking for everything? We've explained our divisions time and time again. It's black or white. Are you a business person or someone with a life outside of work? Make you choice and buy the appropriate device!"
Increasingly, people did. They bought iPhones. They bought whatever. They bought devices from companies who tried to build what consumers wanted.
Meanwhile, neither E nor N tackled the tough work enhancing and preparing Symbian or its UIs for the future. By all accounts, Symbian C++ is no joy to work upon, and neither division wanted to be the fool who spent their precious budget allocations on development work the other division would take, use, and benefit from for free.
So as their technical foundation grew old and crumbled, E and N built the walls of their internal empires out of legions of middle managers. Customers were lost. Market share eroded. Enhancements to Symbian and its UIs were blocked. And innovative new ideas like Maemo were suppressed.
When Nokia at last recognized their position and developed a Qt ecosystem plan as their salvation, they found themselves weighed down by the cryptic fragility of Symbian, the underdeveloped state of Maemo, and a sea of middle managers with strong, reflexive aversions to anything NIH or outside the status quo.
shallimus
2011-07-11, 16:14
E broke bread not with N, and N not with E. Behold! I come as a middle manager. And there shall be great wailing and gnashing of teeth, even unto the next billion.
And I saw an unclean spirit emerge from the mouth of Nokia, and its name was the N97. And the people spake, saying "Verily, I shall buy an iPhone, or those Android things look quite shiny, also".
Mismanagement and bureaucracy shall follow thee all the days of thy life, and one named Elop shall arise, but it shall be no use blaming him really, for the damage was already done.
<SNIP>
Excellent... I only hope you're talking in past tense... :)
And that all the lessons have been learned, & all the necessary reforms undertaken.
If not, Nokia won't be around for much longer "in the scheme of things".
optimaxxx
2011-07-13, 01:13
this needs to be publicised more:
"Flash is supported in fennec, but not in the default browser. We wanted to keep a clear differentiation between "desktop" -alike browsing and mobile browsing. Default browser focuses entirely in one handed use and relaxed browsing, where as fennec just does it all and acts like a desktop browser (tabs and all)" (http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/06/respect.html?showComment=1309244161165#c8807273851 680035486)
flash IS in N9
1 browser for light browsing
1 browser for intense browsing.
brilliant idea, no?
#edit, here is whole quote as it has a lot of interesting info (and from a key dev)
"N9 has exchange support. We use it internally a lot, so it's in stellar shape.
Qt is easy to develop on. You use QML to do the UIs, which is like turbocharged HTML. Then the additional logic you either code in c++ or python. Really easy. SDK has a one click packaging tool. Development easyness is definitely in the same ballpark as android.
Qt will live on at nokia also in other areas than just Symbian. I think officially the next billion strategy is the one we refer to. More details come later. And I won't go into those.
DLNA stack is there on the device by default, but not in use. We didn't have the time to make sure it works just perfectly, so we'll either roll the UIs out later or 3rd parties can enable it very easily. N9 doesn't have HDMI.
Package management is still debian based in N9.
Fash is supported in fennec, but not in the default browser. We wanted to keep a clear differentiation between "desktop" -alike browsing and mobile browsing. Default browser focuses entirely in one handed use and relaxed browsing, where as fennec just does it all and acts like a desktop browser (tabs and all)
Landscape home is not available as default. You will need to install a theme that pretty much just inherits the default theme and overrides one property. I'm sure that will be available on sales start."
Years ago, Nokia deliberately split internally and erected silos: E series, N series, and mobiles. Only E was permitted to include in their devices features thought to be of interest to on-the-go business people. Only N was permitted to include in their devices features thought to be of interest to creative, media hungry, tech savvy users.
I sometimes wonder what would have happened if Maemo had gone to the E camp. Our community has proven itself more than capable of providing plenty of better media players, social service terminal apps etc so we wouldn't have lost anything important, but on the other hand we still don't have a decent email client.
Meanwhile, neither E nor N tackled the tough work enhancing and preparing Symbian or its UIs for the future. By all accounts, Symbian C++ is no joy to work upon, and neither division wanted to be the fool who spent their precious budget allocations on development work the other division would take, use, and benefit from for free.
Well, by that time at least they were all playing with S60 (aka "you shall have all this processing power but you can only control it with a numeric keypad and a tiny joystick"). Before, they also had S80 (the ATM-style UI found in Communicators) and S90 (Hildon's ancestor) to contend with.
So as their technical foundation grew old and crumbled, E and N built the walls of their internal empires out of legions of middle managers. Customers were lost. Market share eroded.
There was also a funny little thing called Symbian Signed which played a role in that. If you ever meet anyone who wrote apps for Symbian OS, buy them a round or three (they'll need it) and ask them about it.
Enhancements to Symbian and its UIs were blocked.
Symbian also had UIQ, a UI that they developed in-house. It was really nice originally (the SE P9x0s for instance were years ahead of anything Nokia had to offer at the time), but version 3 was so bad that it essentially killed it.
When Nokia at last recognized their position and developed a Qt ecosystem plan as their salvation
There is some speculation/superstition going around that Qt is the kiss of death for mobile platforms (Zaurus, Openmoko, Greenphone, and now Maemo, Symbian ...) (yeah, I know it's not totally accurate).
they found themselves weighed down by the cryptic fragility of Symbian
So they bought it, opened it, found out that nobody cared anymore and eventually closed it and re-sold it. Clever, that :-/
the underdeveloped state of Maemo
So they nuked whatever the original plan was, and made everyone wait 4(!) years for the Qt version with only a single more underdeveloped and also still-born release in-between. Oh, and the Qt version turned out to be still-born too.
Fash is supported in fennec, but not in the default browser. We wanted to keep a clear differentiation between "desktop" -alike browsing and mobile browsing. Default browser focuses entirely in one handed use and relaxed browsing, where as fennec just does it all and acts like a desktop browser (tabs and all)
Alas this was later rebuffed by some other devs...
Search for or ask about it in the N9: it's finally here (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74181) thread.
Landscape home is not available as default. You will need to install a theme that pretty much just inherits the default theme and overrides one property. I'm sure that will be available on sales start."
This thread better explains what is possible/coming
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3756
Most of the other stuff you posted has already been mentioned, although perhaps not in OP.
But thanks for trying to help, every bit of genuine & non-trivial info is welcome.
So they nuked whatever the original plan was, and made everyone wait 4(!) years for the Qt/maemo version with only a single more underdeveloped and also still-born release in-between. Oh, and the Qt/meego version turned out to be still-born too.
^ This... sigh... :( Anyway I digress.
We should get off this discussion, that's not this thread's focus.
There are other threads for that...
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74181
Alas this was later rebuffed by some other devs...
Search for or ask about it in the N9: it's finally here thread.
here is the tweet of that dev
http://twitter.com/#!/jukkaeklund/status/86094818245226497
so no flash in fennec. but someone mentioned that fennec for meego „maybe" will get flash support.
but someone mentioned that fennec for meego „maybe" will get flash support.
If you're referring to what I postulated here...
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1048798#post1048798
Since been shot down in subsequent posts.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1048827#post1048827
no i didn’t mean that post. there was someone close to fennec (working for them?!), who said they are talking with adobe to integrate flash into fennec.
EDIT: i meant this post http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1042523&postcount=11
this needs to be publicised more:
[URL="http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/06/respect.html?showComment=1309244161165#c8807273851 680035486"]"
1 browser for light browsing
1 browser for intense browsing.
brilliant idea, no?
"
I'm not so sure about whether it's brilliant or not, at least if the Fennec is still as cumbersome as some of the past versions I've tried. Of course it's a new device, so I'll judge it when I get my hands on it.
no i didn’t mean that post. there was someone close to fennec (working for them?!), who said they are talking with adobe to integrate flash into fennec.
EDIT: i meant this post http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1042523&postcount=11
Yeah but I don't really get that...
Why would mozilla pay for Nokia's licensing?
In the end nokia has to fork-out for a binary that'll run on harmattan
Adobe's not going to give Nokia a freebie just because Mozilla asks them nicely.
I'm not so sure about whether it's brilliant or not, at least if the Fennec is still as cumbersome as some of the past versions I've tried. Of course it's a new device, so I'll judge it when I get my hands on it.
You kidding? fennec is teh awesome! :D
It could do with a few microb-isms, but overall it's just as good (if not better) IMO.
But I hope the N9's integrated webkit browser is even cooler than the N900's microb.
By the sounds of it all it may be, fingers crossed.
Yeah but I don't really get that...
Why would mozilla pay for Nokia's licensing?
In the end nokia has to fork-out for a binary that'll run on harmattan
Adobe's not going to give Nokia a freebie just because Mozilla asks them nicely.
Jolo works for Nokia (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1042522#post1042522), not Mozilla. So when he says that they are talking with Adobe to get Flash certified on N9, he means Nokia. So that probably means that we'll get Flash on N9 if Adobe isn't too greedy...
Yeah I've since realised that in the other thread:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1050031#post1050031
But thanks! It's still far from a forgone conclusion.
If he's having to try & press things w/management at this late stage, it doesn't bode well IMO :(
Well, there is always Nokia Store (Ovi Store) to download applications from. I'm sure people who don't see Fennec as essential part of N9 experience can agree that at least it could be available from Ovi Store for downloads.
BTW, the same comment from Urho Konttori on his blog confirms DLNA story.
@abbra
You mean users could pay for fennec + flash 10x app, in order to have a signed adobe binary, that'll work on harmattan in DRM-mode?
@jalyst, no I didn't mean that at all. What I meant is that there is Ovi Store and Ovi Store client on the device (N950 has it, no connection to real Ovi Store yet but developers' guidelines talk about Ovi Store-based distribution of software for N9). If Fennec would be done, it would be available through the store -- if it wouldn't be part of the sales package as Urho's comment seems to imply.
Whether Adobe Flash will be part of that is up in the air, at least for me. Nokia is known to work on Fennec on Maemo6: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666218
I googled this kind of thing: http://www.ittiam.com/en/Embedded/Platforms/TI-SoCs/OMAP3-720p-Bundle.aspx
Ooh, they've even got DSP-side vorbis/FLAC codecs for some OMAP2s!
attila77
2011-07-14, 08:24
So they nuked whatever the original plan was, and made everyone wait 4(!) years for the Qt version with only a single more underdeveloped and also still-born release in-between.
FWIW It took Google pretty much the same amount of time (give or take a couple of months) to launch the first Android phone after they bought the Android startup. And they didn't even release anything inbetween. Just sayin'.
crisscross
2011-07-14, 08:37
indications are that the list found on the Nokia Check N9 Availability page only indicates availability in Nokia Store.
Is this confirmed in any other way than UK store is closing? At least Sweden have no Nokia Store but is on the list.
FWIW It took Google pretty much the same amount of time (give or take a couple of months) to launch the first Android phone after they bought the Android startup.
You really want to go there?
I'm not very familiar with Android history (never cared enough to pay attention), but according to wikipedia that would be 3 years 2 months (acquisition: August 2005 - G1 availability: October 2008).
The N810 launched in November 2007. Even if the N9 becomes available as early as September that's still 3 years 10 months.
And they didn't even release anything inbetween. Just sayin'.
Google don't make devices, didn't have an existing platform and community bleeding users and developers in the meantime, and hadn't announced anything and left the whole world waiting (the Android platform itself was only unveiled publicly in November 2007, while Nokia has been talking in concrete terms about Harmattan since May 2008). Just sayin'.
erendorn
2011-07-14, 14:52
3y2m and 3y10m are pretty much the same amount of time, no matter the quality of communication.
Prozac786
2011-07-15, 17:28
Not sure if this has been answered, but couldn't find the answer, does the N9 also have a Micro SD card slot for memory cards?
shallimus
2011-07-15, 18:28
Not sure if this has been answered, but couldn't find the answer, does the N9 also have a Micro SD card slot for memory cards?
Unfortunately not. But I guess that would have increased the device size. Added to FAQ.
I'm not very familiar with Android history (never cared enough to pay attention), but according to wikipedia that would be 3 years 2 months (acquisition: August 2005 - G1 availability: October 2008).
The N810 launched in November 2007. Even if the N9 becomes available as early as September that's still 3 years 10 months.
Google don't make devices, didn't have an existing platform and community bleeding users and developers in the meantime, and hadn't announced anything and left the whole world waiting (the Android platform itself was only unveiled publicly in November 2007, while Nokia has been talking in concrete terms about Harmattan since May 2008). Just sayin'.But also compare the delta from the Android 1.5 to Android 2.3 to the delta from the N810 Hildon 1.x to Swipe. Hasn't there been more change in Maemo?
I also wonder what would be easier to hack on top of a suitable modern cellphone if you had plenty of time to do it - Hildon 1.x or Android 1.5? I would guess Hildon 1.x because the sources and dev tools are openly available. But please correct me if I am wrong, I am just wondering here.
But also compare the delta from the Android 1.5 to Android 2.3 to the delta from the N810 Hildon 1.x to Swipe. Hasn't there been more change in Maemo?
I couldn't say, I've used Android for maybe a total of 30' over the years and have no idea what the differences between versions are.
I also wonder what would be easier to hack on top of a suitable modern cellphone if you had plenty of time to do it - Hildon 1.x or Android 1.5?
We've seen maybe 2-3 devices running some Hildon variant, and hundreds running Android, I think that speaks for itself.
I would guess Hildon 1.x because the sources and dev tools are openly available.
Well, there were parts of Hildon that were never open (input methods, control panel, connectivity middleware and so on). One could rewrite or replace those, but it would be a lot of work and most attempts probably wouldn't survive it.
mikecomputing
2011-07-16, 00:32
DLNA in this context is simply being able to stream compressed data from N9 to DMP (i.e. TV set). It does not matter what resolution of the video file is there as all N9 would do in such case is only give out the stream, no decoding is happening on N9 side. Think about it as if N9 was a small http server and your TV was a "browser".
Regarding HDMI/MHL -- there is none and will not be. Sorry, too late.
DLNA sound way better than hdmi if I understand it right this can be done over wifi/bt as long as the receiver has support for it? Way better than stupid cables thats thje future :D
same goes for flash ****it it should simply die.
DLNA is media file streaming.
It's 'similar' to just having your files on your desktop and opening it on your client device thru a file sharing protocol (ftp/smb/nfs/etc). There will be buffering lags, the decoding is done by the end device* (may have codec issues), and DLNA end points are not as ubiquitous as HDMI ports.
*Ok, the server may do some transcoding too, depending on the implementation.
I thought the N9 had HDMI output???
shuraizo
2011-07-16, 05:59
So basically,compared to N900 :
No FM transmitter (or at least not as good as n900's, which is moderate imo)
No Flash
No Keyboard
No MicroSD
And with Flop abandoning Meego, i'm gonna have to think twice before buying this product
So basically,compared to N900 :
No FM transmitter (or at least not as good as n900's, which is moderate imo)
No Flash
No Keyboard
No MicroSD
And with Flop abandoning Meego, i'm gonna have to think twice before buying this product
Why not:
compared to N900:
better screen
better camera
better design
better cpu
dave1010
2011-07-16, 06:39
The N900's physical keyboard lets me easily interract with websites that have keyboard shortcuts (eg desktop version of gmail). Does anyone know if the N9's virtual keyboard can be activated manually (without first having to focus a text field)?
Thanks.
Does the N9 media player support gapless playback of audio files? I thought this feature request was targeted for Harmattan ages ago but it looks like I was wrong:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2796
If it doesn't, anyone aware of a media player that runs on the N9 that does?
DLNA sound way better than hdmi if I understand it right this can be done over wifi/bt as long as the receiver has support for it? Way better than stupid cables thats thje future :D
same goes for flash ****it it should simply die.
I was looking around the other day for options to convert a normal TV set with usb port to a DLNA player. LG has a USB dongle for their TVs, for example, for a price of 44USD on Amazon -- USB dongle that has WiFi and DLNA support added to LG TVs. http://www.amazon.com/LG-AN-WF100-Wi-Fi-USB-Adaptor/dp/B003F9HH2W
I'm sure there are others too. Samsung has WIS09ABGN for their TVs. HTC sells nice accessory for any HDMI tv: http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=207009 though it is a bit off the price for me but worth looking.
I was looking around the other day for options to convert a normal TV set with usb port to a DLNA player. LG has a USB dongle for their TVs, for example, for a price of 44USD on Amazon -- USB dongle that has WiFi and DLNA support added to LG TVs. http://www.amazon.com/LG-AN-WF100-Wi-Fi-USB-Adaptor/dp/B003F9HH2W
I'm sure there are others too. Samsung has WIS09ABGN for their TVs. HTC sells nice accessory for any HDMI tv: http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=207009 though it is a bit off the price for me but worth looking.
if you are willing to pay so much money you can simply by a media player (dlna capable). there are several ones from acer, asus, sony, starting from 80€ (for example the SONY SMP-N100 or Acer Aspire RevoView RV100-1000).
That's the point -- I don't. However, options are out there. For example, all PS3s are DLNA players too and chances are that people have them at home.
I have PopCorn Hour which is DLNA server but not a DLNA player, unfortunately.
For example, all PS3s are DLNA players too and chances are that people have them at home.
win for me :)
Can’t you use a win7 pc as a dlna player?
Metsämies
2011-07-16, 08:48
And with Flop abandoning Meego, i'm gonna have to think twice before buying this product
I think that eFlop will be fired before N9's manufacturing ends. When WP7 eflops next year Nokia has to change their main smartphone OS.
crisscross
2011-07-16, 09:20
win for me :)
Can’t you use a win7 pc as a dlna player?
Yes you can, natively via WMP or several other third party players.
crisscross
2011-07-16, 09:24
That's the point -- I don't. However, options are out there. For example, all PS3s are DLNA players too and chances are that people have them at home.
I have PopCorn Hour which is DLNA server but not a DLNA player, unfortunately.
Another alternative that many people can do (and i am doing with my Nokia N8 and the playto dlna app), is if you have a tv with network capabilities is to connect your tv via network cable to your router. A lot of TV:s of yesteryear have dlna but no wireless connection.
Why not, compared to N900:
better screen
better camera
better design
better cpu
@Shuraizo, despite Nokia's schizophrenic mindset...
I'd say it's a very decent improvement over the n900, & still very competitive to any phone out now or coming Q3.
But it's going to have a hard fight if it's still not being released in large no's until after Sep 30.
*Slightly better graphics than N900 too isn't it, or is it just a die-shrink?
*Plus all Harmattan binaries/libraries have hardfp applied.
i.e. better optimised for the ARM archictecture it's running on (IIRC can't say the same some of the other OS's).
Software "overall" looks light-years ahead too...
Some of the old hardcore N700/810 users aren't very impressed with it.
They wanted an entirely diff. device to what fits the mould of a smartphone today.
Plus there's some quibbles over more of the front-end (GUI) being closed.
But most of the base & middle-ware is just as open as it was, perhaps more so.
Of course many device drivers like graphics etc. are still binary blobs.
Which is not uncommon for most OSS projects in the world.
*1GB physical RAM (4x the N900)
[What's this, an anaemic CPU/GPU compared to other handsets, yet RAM capacity that's equal to the best muscle phones. Hmm curious, I wonder why that is!?]
*64GB built-in NAND ("plus" the 512mb ROM)
[Most phone SD slots (usually micro for space) only allow you to increase a further 32GB. That's "assuming" the phone supports microSDHC. It's possible for SDHC hosts to be improved w/fw twks, such that they're kinda SDXC hosts. But only if the phone OEM wants to, or the info/openness is there for a community to. And even "if" a phone can ultimately support higher capacity&speed HC/XC, I'm not sure 32GB+ mSD's w/IHS2 exist. If they do they'll be big $, which isn't much fun if the built-in capacity's only 16GB or so.* Finally, I'm not sure a SDXC host plus a 32GB+ microSDXC will perform as well as built-in 64GB NAND, even if it's using the 312MB/s IHS2 interface? Real-world diff's may be negligible]
*NFC
[NFC's properly implemented, unlike most other mobile OS...
This'll become more widely used for some intriguing apps in Q1 2012, as many more vendors or now embracing the tech]
*Superior Display
*edit*
I forgot the iP4's PPI is notably higher, given the differences in screen area this is not an advantage for UI/Apps, but is to-some-extent for video playback.
But aside from pixel density, from what I've read/seen so far, the N9's display is as good or better in every other important metric (to be updated).
*edit* 2
A bit more about the screen (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1060579#post1060579), so looking better than the SGSII once one throws in CBD (called something else now), & a few other aspects.
I'll clarify how it compares to the most popular phones, once we have the final details. But it seems -contrary to popular opinion- that it uses superAMOLED+ (pentile)
*Superior Camera
[only the N8's slightly better, & that's only because it's got room for a camera module that's over 70% larger!]
*1450mAh battery (larger than N900's 1320mAh)
[Thanks to the unibody design, also used by iP4, but according to early accts w/better reception. Plus there's likely to be better efficiency, despite having more grunt & being more svelte than the N900]
*Possibly I've missed something...
*apparently they do exist (http://www.cheapchips.com.au/memory/sandisk-ultra-sdxc-card-class-4-64gb-15mbsec-100x.html), quite pricey though, & not sure how that speed compares to the built-in storage NAND of the N9 64GB.
*update*: gone missing from that shop, prolly others out there, def. expensive though, still new tech (http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/kingmax-flaunts-worlds-first-64gb-microsd-card/).
Less impressive but notable features:
*Micro-SIM
[also used by iP4, IIRC N9's also dual-SIM capable, but I may be wrong?]
*BT4.0
[official specs are wrong, it supports BT4] *edit* <-seems unlikely (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1052939#post1052939) now. *update* <-still a possibility (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1058055#post1058055)!
*802.11[B]a/b/g/n
[many smartphones are only 802.11b/g/n, i.e. 2.4Ghz]
*FM RX/RDS
[Pissy feature, but hackable beyond obvious uses, at this stage FM TX looks unlikely]
*Possibly I've missed something...
Things I'll miss but prolly won't, as I usually own more than 1 nextgen phone: :)
N950's 12MP Cam (a red-herring, N950's camera is no better, there's more to camera hardware than MP; not to mention software optimizations N9 will get)
Keyboard (ima just gunna get the best portable USB/BT keybs I can find, I'm sure there's some doozies!)
Tilt-Stand (improvise! :D)
Lens Cover (someone will make a nice case w/a built-in cover, won't be as nice as the n900's but no "biggy")
Resistive (nice for some uses/applications, but overall not a huge loss IMO)
microSDHC/XC (kinda sux)
MHL (for HDMI via mUSB among other things, kinda sux)
CPU/GPU with more grunt (kinda sux)
Oh & iOS/Android's ecosystem to some extent, that old chestnut.
That "chicken then the egg, or egg then the chicken?" paradox, when it comes to users/commercial_devs.
will it support provisioning for corporate email?
will it have multiple exchange accounts?
I recall that being discussed in this thread, & IIRC there was a dev or 2 knowledgeable in that area who responded.
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3598&page=38
I think there's some pretty extensive corporate features being implemented.
But from what I read they still sound a bit flakey, & I don't know how well they compare feature-wise to other platforms.
The N900's physical keyboard lets me easily interract with websites that have keyboard shortcuts (eg desktop version of gmail). Does anyone know if the N9's virtual keyboard can be activated manually (without first having to focus a text field)?
I imagine there'd be some way it can be mapped to one of the few physical buttons.
Or a soft button could be (or is) implemented for site's w/keyb shortcuts, & only pop-up when one comes across such sites.
I'm not sure of a solution though...
I recall folks who have direct access to N9/950's VKB posting occasionally here (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74181&page=132) to let us know some things.
If you haven't already posted, maybe you could try asking there?
Does the N9 media player support gapless playback of audio files? I thought this feature request was targeted for Harmattan ages ago but it looks like I was wrong:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2796
If it doesn't, anyone aware of a media player that runs on the N9 that does?
Again not sure on an answer, but you could try asking here?
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74181&page=132
Or here :confused:
http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7
I recall that being discussed in this thread, & IIRC there was a dev or 2 knowledgeable in that area who responded.
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3598&page=38
I think there's some pretty extensive corporate features being implemented.
But from what I read they still sound a bit flakey, & I don't know how well they compare feature-wise to other platforms.
Thanks. That will be a deal breaker if I cant access my work email. N900 could not connect to my work email due to non-provisioning...I am not going to buy another device that cant sync with my work server.
What's Android/iOS/WP support like in that area?
What's Android/iOS/WP support like in that area?
iOS support is flawless with regards to my corporate email. Dont know about Android, but would assume it does a good job too.
Below exchange seesm disappointing to me if provisioning only partial :(
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Can you tell us if we have full Exchange support for email and calendar/contacts synch. ie the main issue with N900 was no support for provisioning, which stopped me and many others from using it as their main device.
Thanks in advance.
"Provisioning is not fully supported, some weird setting related to HW are not available(disable camera, BT, ...), if your server demands that it will not work, more common requirements are supported(passwords, time to lock...). "
So the exact model (http://www.ti.com/lit/swmt013) of the wl127x chip isn't known yet? There is 1271, 1273 and 1271L/1273L.
1271 only supports b/g/n @ 2.4Ghz + Bluetooth 2.1
1273 a/b/g/n @ 2.4/5Ghz + Bluetooth 2.1
1271L/1273L same as above + bluetooth 3.0 and 4.0 Low Power
If it has 1271L/1273L, the reason it's listed only as 2.1 might be software/driver support.
If it has 1271/3L, the reason it's listed only as 2.1 might be software/driver support.
Yeah supposedly that was the reason it was only listed as 2.1...
Someone confirmed it had bt4 hardware, but I'm not sure it was based on solid info.
Plus the other day someone looked at the leaked service manual.
And they reckon it confirms only 2.1, yet to check for myself, got the manual.
See here for the manual:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1051378#post1051378
steveburczymucha
2011-07-17, 17:38
So the exact model (http://www.ti.com/lit/swmt013) of the wl127x chip isn't known yet? There is 1271, 1273 and 1271/3L.
1271 only supports b/g/n @ 2.4Ghz + Bluetooth 2.1
1273 a/b/g/n @ 2.4/5Ghz + Bluetooth 2.1
1271/3L same as above + bluetooth 3.0 and 4.0 Low Power
If it has 1271/3L, the reason it's listed only as 2.1 might be software/driver support.
Well, N950 release notes (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74215) mentions
"N950 supports Bluetooth version 2.1+EDR, whereas N9 supports
version 4.0"
and I wander whether this is a typo or not. In the latter case N9 may be lacking software support: the chip is here but Bluetooth 4.0 features are not handled by software.
BTW: N9 comparing to N8 supports quite limited number of Bluetooth profiles. But Symbian is known to heave really broad support here.
Yeah supposedly that was the reason it was only listed as 2.1...
Someone confirmed it had bt4 hardware, but I'm not sure it was based on solid info.
Plus the other day someone looked at the leaked service manual.
And they reckon it confirms only 2.1, yet to check for myself, got the manual.
See here for the manual:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1051378#post1051378
Checked the manual...
There's no mention of 1271/3 or 1271/3L anywhere.
And the only talk about bluetooth is...
(1) To point out where the antenna is in an exploded view.
(2) To state the "official connections" again on the 1st page:
Connections:
WLAN 802.11 a/b/g/n
NFC (Near Field Communication)
Micro USB 2.0
Bluetooth 2.1
Stereo audio out via 3.5mm AV connector
I see nothing that disproves the theory that the hardware is actually BT4.
Nor prove it... :(
Hopefully I've missed something that proves it's there...
This vid......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5224leqcOo
Says Australia will be the very 1st market? W00t!!!!!!
Trying to get info from the site that did the review, to find out what they base this on.
steveburczymucha
2011-07-17, 21:32
I see nothing that disproves the theory that the hardware is actually BT4.
Nor prove it... :(
Hopefully I've missed something that proves it's there...
We have to wait till someone disassembles it ... or N9 dmesg output.
Edit:
N9 FCC Exhibits Report
http://goo.gl/Vsa18
With the 1273 chip basically confirmed with the support for a/b/g/n @ 2.4 and 5Ghz, it seems unlikely that N9 has Bluetooth 3/4. Only mention of WL1273L is on TI forums (http://e2e.ti.com/support/low_power_rf/f/307/p/108716/386008.aspx#386008) and they say that first samples of the chip will be on sale Q3 and production should start end of Q3/beginning of Q4.
At least it's the 1273... even though the 1273L would be preferable. There are so many wifi networks around my house that 2.4GHz is almost useless. So I'd be happy that it can use 5GHz 802.11n.
Wow that blows....
Any SoC's in the market with a/b/g/n + bt4 that are already rolled into phs, that are now purchasable?
Hopefully there's a chance 1273L will get rolled into slightly newer revisions of the N9?
Wishful thinking I guess :(
Anyone else having a prob dloading the pdfs from here via ff?
http://goo.gl/Vsa18
BTW: N9 comparing to N8 supports quite limited number of Bluetooth profiles. But Symbian is known to heave really broad support here.
Didn't realise that... that really blows too...
I thought N9 would be excellent in this area :(
Anyway, the most important BT profil is there: FTP ;)
erendorn
2011-07-23, 21:50
are bluetooth profiles device dependent? or can they be ported if they exist elsewhere in the linuxspace?
Jedibeeftrix
2011-07-25, 07:50
Anyway, the most important BT profil is there: FTP ;)
What about the Bluetooth Serial Port Profile?
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75222
Is bluetooth profile support dependent on the drivers or the software stack? N9/N900/N950 use Bluez (http://www.bluez.org/), the standard linux bluetooth stack.
What about the frontcam? As far as I can see, the software (still) doesn't support it (no 3G, Skype, GTalk video calls).
Which software you are talking about? Firmware released with devkit N950 has certain functionality removed compared to sales release version of N9 due to the fact that it is devkit, with purpose to concentrate on development of applications for wider use on N9.
It would be pretty lame to speculate on what is available and what is not on N9 based on a feature set of N950 which focused on development goals rather than purely consumer-related.
Official information (bluetooth.org)
https://www.bluetooth.org/tpg/QLI_viewQDL.cfm?qid=18246
Member Company Nokia Corporation
Specification Name 4.0
Core Spec Addenda N/A
Design Model Number Harmattan Product Platform
Hardware Version Number 1501
Software Version Number 0.2011.18-6
Qualification Assessment Date July/24/2011
Listing Date July/24/2011
Design Description The Harmattan product platform includes all the Bluetooth functionality for the Nokia MeeGo products.
Hmm. Looks like N9 supports BT 4.0 .. or?
Official information (bluetooth.org)
https://www.bluetooth.org/tpg/QLI_viewQDL.cfm?qid=18246
Hmm. Looks like N9 supports BT 4.0 .. or?
'
YES! IT IS 4.0. For example if compared to Iphone4 I got following results by using iphone as keyword:
Member Company Apple, Inc.
Specification Name 2.1+EDR
EDIT: I created thread for BT 4.0 discussion: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1058091
^ I don't see how that proves anything?
Weren't posts #111 (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1052321#post1052321)->117 better proof that BT4.0's not gunna happen?
I mean I'm ecstatic if you're right... but...
It would be nice bonus. Maybe if the 127x chips are pin compatible, they could have made protos with older chips, but still seems unlikely that 1273L would have time to make it into N9's?
And by the way, the documentation that lists N950/N9 differences has been edited and it doesn't mention BT4 support anymore...
, but still seems unlikely that 1273L would have time to make it into N9's?
Perhaps it uses a chip that's entirely diff. to what we've been assuming it'll use?
What larux linked to does seem to suggest BT4, doesn't look like a simple typo.
And by the way, the documentation that lists N950/N9 differences has been edited and it doesn't mention BT4 support anymore...
Source?
Perhaps it uses a chip that's entirely diff. to what we've been assuming it'll use?
I was wondering that too. But with all the package lists and dmesg outputs we've seen of N9/N950 have always mentioned 127x series of chips I though that unprobable.
Source?
The original version in a post. (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74215)
The revised version is in here. (http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3744886f-69c1-4544-8ad3-72b352b4a832/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers_Release_Notes.html)
@shallimus
something to add to OP?
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1035259&postcount=370
@shallimus
something to add to OP?
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1035259&postcount=370
maybe bluetooth 4.0 to be add to the list :D
Cod3rror
2011-07-30, 02:00
Fact: The phone is DOA, will not have any support, apps or services. Don't count on updates.
Fiction: Nokia will support it for years.
@cod3rror,
Do not pollute this thread with your straight-out lies & FUD.
It was decided long ago that this (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74181&page=292) would be the thread for general discussion/ranting.
That is not the focus/function of this thread......
maybe bluetooth 4.0 to be add to the list :D
Yeah hopefully, although still not 100% certain if you ask me
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1060447#post1060447
@Shallimus (OP)
Short of having a N9 that someone can test for us, this:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74802&page=10
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74802&page=11
Almost 100% confirms now...
That we'll have decent provisioning for MS exchange.
@Shallimus
More info for OP...
http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=27948&postcount=411
This in particular is very important (post #418->420)
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=28052#post28052
Developments so far are looking positive, fingers crossed!
New update about flash situation, still quite vague unfortunately :(
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1062968#post1062968
At least he's confident of a positive outcome, which is encouraging.
Albeit far from sufficient....
shallimus
2011-08-08, 02:09
Thanks all - sorry I've not updated, but I've been busy and have also run out of steam to be excited about the N9 as the wait is so long (as always with any Nokia product you might actually want to throw down money for).
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hq2KPEF-LoE/Tj9K-6Bls2I/AAAAAAAAAEs/IHrxC2fmnms/bender-nokia-release-cycle.jpg
I'll update the OP tomorrow so long as I'm not too swamped.
but I've been busy and have also run out of steam to be excited about the N9 as the wait is so long.
I'll update the OP tomorrow so long as I'm not too swamped.
Thanks, please do when you get a minute...
I understand the de-enthusiasm though, who can blame you!
I don't recall official announcement of N900, & availability in first countries, being quite as long as this.
Even if it was.....
Elop foreshadowed shortly after he started, that announcement/availability would be more aligned (ala Apple).
Seems he's only going to reserve that for WP7.x phones. :(
shallimus
2011-08-08, 13:19
Some updates done. I'm not sure what to make of the Fennec/flash link though... is there any other commentary to help me understand its significance (or otherwise)?
Some updates done. I'm not sure what to make of the Fennec/flash link though... is there any other commentary to help me understand its significance (or otherwise)?
Thanks mate, in a nutshell....
The flash link explains that a Nokia dev responsible for testing/tweaking Fennec on harmattan.
Has finished testing the latest flash binary using his build of Fennec, & has confirmed all is working well.
The only road block left, is trying to convince management to license a signed binary.
His latest responses RE how that's progressing are positive, yet still quite vague...
*edit*
Looks like the info. about platform security hasn't been included.
That's very important developments IMO...
Please re-read all of my posts on previous page, if/when you have time.
Thanks!
shallimus
2011-08-15, 14:10
Some updates made. Sorry for my cop-out on the Aegis etc. question, but I don't have a good enough understanding of what's what to write a summary on that (I tried, but realised I was spouting pure BS, so I stopped :) )
n.p. thanks, might attempt a summary for you later...
Apparently there's going to be a client made for this
http://gomiso.com/
one of the devs accepted in the n950 program (forget his name) is major symbian dev
And he's going to be porting some of the most popular Symbian apps... & this.
File manager for Harmattan...
http://projects.developer.nokia.com/filemanager
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75726
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J5lqqkkvR0
Nifty apps coming:
Nokia-Play-To: doesn't look like there's N9 support, but will be soon
http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia-play-to
SMShopper
http://projects.developer.nokia.com/SmShopper
IRC chatter: light-weight, touch-friendly IRC client
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/video-irc-chatter-meego-harmattan-qt-qml/
MeeCast: not just a weather app but a whole platform, sounds impressive
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/application-preview-meecast-meego-harmattan/
Butaca
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/14/butaca-bringing-all-your-movie-related-information-to-your-harmattan-device/
MusikCloud: sound-cloud client
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75639
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLg8YhMaq90
cuteTunes: cuteTunes client
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/18/cutetunes-mp3tunes-client-for-harmattan/
Video Toad FTP: this'll probably be integrated into file manager anyway.
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/17/video-toad-ftp-qt-qml-ftp-app-available-at-ovi-store/
If it isn't, then this is very cheap, and seems to work well.
An awesome development relating to the UI
http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/n9-swipe-undocumented-feature-activate-sane-behavior/
Some great comments relating to this development:
This is exactly what I was hoping would happen!
In it’s normal use meego-harmattan swipe behaviour would mean a swiping out of an application would bring you back to the screen from which you started that appliction.
Which might mean you’d need an extra swipe to get to the screen you’d really want.
Now with the option of customisable swipes, you should never be more than one swipe away.
For instance on my n9 I’ll be using this swipe scheme: up = app screen, down = kill/close app, left = notifications screen, right = multitasking screen.
Much more unified and efficient behaviour I think.
I wonder whether there’s the possibility to use two or more directions of swipe to initiate an action also… ie. Left and right swipe together = start an application
Or even swipe macros which could be started by holding down one of the volume keys for a while followed by a series of swipes that then does something…
this ones probably just for the hardcore users though.
<snip>I’m wondering which, out of the suggestions that have been made so far could be implemented by the community (without having to re-write huge chunks of code that is).
The application specific swipes could probably be done assuming that the trigger to make changes to mcompositor.conf active is lightweight with no side effects.
Pretty much all the other suggestions look like they won’t be possible to me……
Oh hang on! All this swipe gesture stuff is developed in the open (gitorious/meegotouch/meegotouch-compositor*) ?! That’s pretty awesome.
I'm loving where the above might be going....
How cool would it be, if we could have something similar to quicksilver (http://qsapp.com/), but for a smartphone touchscreen!?!
BT4 (but conflicting info suggests it still may not be there; I'll ask Zeh @"N950 Vs N9")
https://www.bluetooth.org/tpg/QLI_viewQDL.cfm?qid=18246
This suggests at least FM TX should be possible...
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/N9DevelopmentTipsAndTricks#Accessing_FM_receiver
But according to this FM TX "&" RX is looking unlikely (asking about BT4)
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3902&page=2
Kontorri speaks RE Alien Dalvik, and a white N9 (last comment)
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=25111815&postID=1866855797236048726
shallimus
2011-08-18, 21:01
As always - thanks. I've almost run out of steam to keep researching - seems my cynicism and despair over the direction Nokia has taken is taking its toll on my previously fan-boyish enthusiasm.
Can't get to reading/editing this all today, but will try tomorrow.
I also found the AllAboutMeego N9 FAQ (http://www.allaboutmeego.com/features/item/13179_N9_FAQ.php), which (while it's not that useful to us and repeats lots of the usual Nokia corporate non-answer nonsense) does at least attempt to collate lots of N9-related information in one place.
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/19/developers-interest-grown-for-meego-and-decreased-for-symbian-and-wp/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/19/mobilefun-confirms-nokia-n9-coming-to-uk-in-very-near-future-has-play-360-speakers-on-preorder/
Some Apps:
Very simple app, but could prove to be popular.
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/19/vlc-remote-for-harmattan/
http://projects.developer.nokia.com/qadfilemanager
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/19/fmobi-updated-to-version-1-3-photoupload-photo-tagging-and-more/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/gpodder-meego-harmattan-n9-n950/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/scrobbler-maemo-nokia-n900-n9-meego-harmattan/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/cutetunes-mp3-tunes-client/
I personally don't get why this one's supposedly so awesome, but it's a quality/high-profile app nonetheless
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/21/4squick-updated-v0-9047-adds-photos-and-tips/
I do like this... :)
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/21/joikuspot-premium-wifi-hotspot-app-to-be-integrated-in-nokia-n9-and-selected-anna-handsets/
Yet another file-manager: the duplication of effort, instead of pioneering different genres, is a bit worrying.
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/cute-explorer-meego-harmattan-nokia-n9-n950-aplication/
very cool, exactly what I was hoping would happen in post #148
http://sandst1.wordpress.com/2011/08/22/introducing-mymoves-system-wide-gestures-for-harmattan/
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/23/nokia-link-sync-your-n9/ (still very limited info)
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/nokia-n9-level-light-720p-video-sample-meego-harmattan
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/import-playlist-itunes-nokia-n950n9/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/stockona-google-finance-stock-quote-client-meego-harmattan-nokia-n9-n950/
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/application-imquery-nokia-n9-n950/
http://maemobriefs.blogspot.com/2011/08/meego-harmattan-cloudgps-hw-accelerated.html
http://maemobriefs.blogspot.com/2011/08/meego-harmattan-translate-mee-translate.html
shallimus
2011-08-27, 04:20
Uh-oh.
Did you know there's a 15,000 character limit on posts on TMO?
I didn't.
I'll have to edit #1 down somehow. I wish I'd reserved a couple of blank posts. Thanks jalyst for still having the energy to find new stuff.
Thanks for having the energy to merge some of it!
Maybe you can PM some of the 1st posters, & get them to add content to their posts?
Or maybe a moderator can do that for you?
Or you could put everything into a googledocs (https://docs.google.com) document, & just link to it from the OP?
Otherwise just put it in a new post in this thread, and link to that new post from the OP?
I wouldn't worry too much about apps & peripheral stuff like that.
Unless it's an app you think is critical, & the OS doesn't have it built-in.
Sources to where one can kind find out about the latest apps is better.
e.g.
http://projects.developer.nokia.com/home
http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia
http://my-meego.com/
http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps
If you've got time I'd try to simplify the OP...
Because of the way you've opted to lay-it-out, I personally find it hard to read.
I see what you're trying to do, but it makes it less readable IMO.
Not a "biggy", only if you agree, and have time.
I'm pretty much done for now....
I don't think I'll be very active for at least a month.
shallimus
2011-08-29, 00:20
Thanks for having the energy to merge some of it!
Maybe you can PM some of the 1st posters, & get them to add content to their posts?
Or maybe a moderator can do that for you?
Or you could put everything into a googledocs (https://docs.google.com) document, & just link to it from the OP?
Otherwise just put it in a new post in this thread, and link to that new post from the OP?
I wouldn't worry too much about apps & peripheral stuff like that.
Unless it's an app you think is critical, & the OS doesn't have it built-in.
Sources to where one can kind find out about the latest apps is better.
e.g.
http://projects.developer.nokia.com/home
http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia
http://my-meego.com/
http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps
If you've got time I'd try to simplify the OP...
Because of the way you've opted to lay-it-out, I personally find it hard to read.
I see what you're trying to do, but it makes it less readable IMO.
Not a "biggy", only if you agree, and have time.
I'm pretty much done for now....
I don't think I'll be very active for at least a month.
Yeah, no arguments there - I made it a bit wordy. I'm normally pretty verbose, which is a double-edged sword. I can cut OP down a lot, and I will.
At any rate, editing the board ML distracts me from distressing thoughts about why Nokia is killing itself ;)
Here's another....
http://meegon9.tumblr.com/post/10198569998/official-support-for-the-n9-at-least-until-2015
Had ****-loads more been meaning to add, but i keep forgetting.
Might transpose some of it from the main thread, & elsewhere soon.
Oh & here's a biggy (best to read from here onwards, even from earlier if you can)
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3902&page=6
And the latest -even better- news....
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3902&page=8
Most of this is prolly not that important, but posting here just in case
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1084900#post1084900
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