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matristain
2011-06-22, 23:10
I'll like to know if you agree with me that i think there's something missing in the N9 (MeeGo / Harmattan) phone that makes me not to like it to much at first sight.


Personalization : What i love about my 4 N900 desktops is how i can personalize them.
Widgets: There is much important information for some people besides social networks, sms and call logs. Like Stocks, Sports results, etc.
Voice dialing: I miss so much this from my old N95 I wish this option can come back.
Contacts shortcuts.


This is what i have in mind for now, what do you think?

Creamy Goodness
2011-06-22, 23:17
missing a release date, price, and confirmation of availability in my country. importing electronics sucks.

onethreealpha
2011-06-22, 23:24
What do I think?
I think it's awesome that people are already dissatisfied with a product that until recently, we didn't even know for sure that we were ever going to get

erick2991
2011-06-22, 23:30
it looks really fast and the ui is amazing but ...what about the games???....what kind of games can i play in the n9???...im not talking about angry birds...im talking about hd graphics games...nova 2???gt racing??...how many hd quality games are going to be aviable for the n9??i think there wont be much quality games...even with 1ghz and 1 gb ram the power sgx 530 cant handle hd quality games ....i think that is missing a powerful hardware for games...i hope i could be wrong...i hope

erendorn
2011-06-22, 23:38
Qt for WP7.

Radu
2011-06-22, 23:43
Keyboard, Adobe Flash (very useful for a lot of stuff, not just videos and games), a desktop, FM transmitter.
I am also curious if Skype is still going to be integrated the same way as it is now, and if it can make video calls.

jo21
2011-06-22, 23:46
xenon flash.

adobe flash video.

whatsapp <-- not that i like it but its main app over here.

a hardware keyboard.

fm transmiter.
1080p video but 720p is fine.

m4r0v3r
2011-06-22, 23:48
no flash = no good porn :(

cfh11
2011-06-22, 23:49
this thread is pointless until someone in TMO gets their grubby little paws on one and figures out what is what. i have a feeling that the system is more open and customizable than a lot of people think....

1337INT13H
2011-06-22, 23:55
One Reason: http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokia-n950-press-shots/#4243180

Will maemo6 (harmattan) BASH WP7? WP7 bytes dem Staub "To be continued"

To root or not to root :) comprende; fear not!

Microsoft gives you Windows... Linux gives you the whole house.

Type cat vmlinuz > /dev/audio to hear the Voice of God..

http://allforlinux.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/mac_pc_linux.jpg
More coming soon

kruppin
2011-06-23, 00:02
Will it be possible to buy the N950 without being a developer? I CAN develop, but I don't enjoy it, but would really enjoy this phone over the N9, I think.

Odd_gunnic
2011-06-23, 00:16
Active application icons, like the calendar

law138
2011-06-23, 00:17
FLASH PLAYER FLASH PLAYER FLASH PLAYER where is the flash player???????????????

chase15
2011-06-23, 00:24
Well, I'll miss a lot of feature from n900, even though im going to keep n900 and get n9 as 2nd phone.. Desktop, live widgets, MicroB and more.. whats missing that I was expecting from n9 are keyboard, HDMI, Micro sd slot.. software side, not that much coz there are still possibilities on updates like Flash and etc...



btw, here's a good 1st look on the software side of n9.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LphiRFvd40I

HaugMedia
2011-06-23, 00:35
http://twitition.com/3c3ah

And by the way, for those of you missing widgets...

Just leave apps open in multitasking and halfswipe to check the status. Simple to with the liveview and 1Gb ram.

Frappacino
2011-06-23, 01:18
100% support from Nokia to get an ecosystem up and running and commercial devs interested in developing for it !

Without this support, there will be no ecosystem and this device will just die.

Fat chance though - that support is now reserved for WP

onethreealpha
2011-06-23, 02:26
FLASH PLAYER FLASH PLAYER FLASH PLAYER where is the flash player???????????????
Doesn't seem to bother the 20 odd percent of consumers in the mobile market that use IOS. This is a device that is partly aimed at them. It's also possibly another sign that there are more segments of these industry pushing for html5 too

archaz
2011-06-23, 02:29
I really wish Nokia would sell the N950 with some revved up spec compared to the dev edition. I think it's good to have a developer edition but the qwerty form factor is so N900 esque that it seems a no brainer. The Aluminium unibody construction the qwerty keyboard has clean layout that would sell without trying too hard. The polycarbonate body on N9 is fine on a mid-range device that will sell for £300 to start with. My point is not to say the N9 should sell at that price point but that particular material is cheap hence cheapens the phone 6 months after it ships as the price stabilizes. This will eat at Nokia's margin per device when we need Harmattan to sell well and put the screws on WP. Love the phone. Good job done by all involved. As has been said FM transmitter,HDMI, xenon flash missing for me.

toki
2011-06-23, 02:39
homescreens (which means personlisation and widgets)

adobe flash

hardware keyboard



i can live without the rest

is there any way we can have a pertition for them to sell the n950 aswell??
i dont work well with capacitive screens.. they go haywire with my hands

archaz
2011-06-23, 02:40
Doesn't seem to bother the 20 odd percent of consumers in the mobile market that use IOS. This is a device that is partly aimed at them. It's also possibly another sign that there are more segments of these industry pushing for html5 too

I guess so but I used to be able to watch live BBC TV on the N900 until flash 10 came along and broke that. I think iOS users are bothered but have no recourse like a child who grows up without TV.

Frappacino
2011-06-23, 02:55
iOS has 3rd party support coming out of their nostrils

no such support exists for the N9

thats why stuff like flash is needed at this point in time

choufleur47
2011-06-23, 03:46
this thread is pointless until someone in TMO gets their grubby little paws on one and figures out what is what. i have a feeling that the system is more open and customizable than a lot of people think....

someone from the epic thread that used the device (cant remember name) said its not possible to customize it from stock... but im quite sure aftermarket stuff will make this possible.

what i would have liked to have:
keyboard (but i understand why they didnt get one...)
flash (wtf nokia?)
dont care hdmi out or not
i liked widgets, gonna miss them

i really hope the price will be low, like 300-400 not subsidized as the specs are last year's. They could get really huge sales if they can make it sub 100$ subsidized.

microsd slot, i never have enough memory. ever

thats about it

Frappacino
2011-06-23, 04:20
cfh - head over the forum.meego.com

qgil there has been answering some questions - ask him directly

ste-phan
2011-06-23, 04:29
Hardware:

Precision input touch screen

Keyboard of course!
(eventually keyboard + battery docking pack)

HDMI out for external presentation of everything, not only video.

Mobile SERVER TM CPU, Upgradable SOC that hacks WPA on the fly
(a nice screen w/o upgradable H/W is waste of earth's resources)

Low power consumption E71 like subsystem for survival communication mode (monochrome LCD or partial use of main screen)

Easy replacable battery / upgradable battery

IR module (Sorry but I like to turn of loud TV's and remote control Macbooks)

Memory expansion possibility (RAM + external)

Eventually: Dual microsim, Geiger counter, Intoxicometer (alcohol), sleep detector.

Software:
Things that we take for granted but knowing Nokia might be just left out w/o explanation like Share online (integrated upload batches of pictures to Flicker w/o handing your PW to yet another 3rd party) , enabled FM transmission HW etc..., flash I should not mention?

Out of the box power user mode with optional Hildon style desktop and geek input keyboard overlay mode -> see example

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/219/screenshot2011062115025.jpg

It is good to simplify things for iPhone type users but this should be the work of the professional vendor or (corporate) IT support person just like with PC's.

Probably a forgotten a lot?

Edit: ah yes: availability on announcement! :D

monkeyman
2011-06-23, 05:09
N9 is missing the N900's kickstand.
N9 is midding the N900's lens cover.
N9 is missing the N900's Qwerty physical keyboard
N9 is missing the more precice Resistive touchscreen which can be used by those wearinging motorcycle gloves or winter gloves. Imagie trying to edit GPS destinations on with a capacitive screen... You need to look at your mirrors for a hole in heavy traffic, grab your clutch as you let your throttle go, downshift, move over to the side of the road and while watching your mirrors for out of control idtiots entering the breakdown lane and freight trucks losing control, take you glove off so you can use your phone's screen.... while holding the clutch in to keep yourself in 1st gear so you can get out of the way fast if trouble shows up in your mirror...
If I'm going to a capacitive screen I'm going to the Asus Transformer, using Skype for calls... if only a 3G or 4G version were available and I could port my AT&T number to Skype... I don't know where I'll be going after the N900, but it won't be the N9.
Most of all if Elop continues to turn Nokia into a pile of stupid (let us be honest, of all the choices Windows Phone is the least viable) I'll be moving to Asus-Android.

mikecomputing
2011-06-23, 05:16
Qt for WP7.

Why? Harmattan will kill WP7 anyway :D

Rauha
2011-06-23, 05:48
Support from Nokia top management is in my opinion the thing N9 is missing the most.

romanianusa
2011-06-23, 06:01
The ONLY things i like about N9 is the screen resolution and the 8MP camera and the fast slick UI screens...but other than that...i don't like anything about it. I need physical keyboard and radio transmitter. They obviously discontinued it as no phone has it...but this is one more reason why N900 is so unique...i am not replacing it anytime soon.

maverick788us
2011-06-23, 06:21
1) Physical Keyboard
2) Lens Cover
3) Xeon Flash
4) Dual Core Processor
5) Kick-Stand

Cue
2011-06-23, 06:36
Physical Keyboard
IR port (for remote control)
FM Tx/Rx (might have it, hopefully)
Desktop
Stylus Input, Pressure sensitivity
Stand
Decent specs

1337INT13H
2011-06-24, 00:00
This is strange. Why do you want MicroSD. There isn't a phone & never has been a phone on the market with 64GB of eMMC. What do you want?? It hold as much as a n900 with a 32GB MicroSD card together.

Some people thought the FM RX & FM TX were redundant on the N9. It turns out they are hidden deep inside the N9's hardware. Devs could now in fact write an app for the N9 for Fm RX & Fm TX. How loveley!

If & if you want sources. = http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/06/nokia-n9-fm-transmitter-receiver-software/
Please say thanks if this comment was useful to you?!!?:)

lma
2011-06-24, 00:17
Keyboard, stylus, (micro)SD slot, removable battery, stand and more importantly: a future.

1337INT13H
2011-06-24, 00:52
lma, you simply do not need a MicroSD card slot. May I ask what device you are using. It doesn't even have 64GB let & even with MicroSD you won't hold anymore than 64GB with one on any other phone.

Keyobard I agree with. Since we could have had a choice. Well, the screen is Multi touch input, so you can buy a TP capacitive stylus can't you??

Removable battery. 1450mAH Nokia could do better even tho they are using AMOLED screen with a slightly larger battery & more power conservative hardware CPU & RAM, & NAND which runs lower in power consumption aswell. :)

I also agree with you on the stand. The stand wasn't missed on my N900 because it didn't prop up the phone the correct height & angle anyway & was unstable by slight nocks.

About the future. Well, I guesse we'll all have to find out sometime sooner or later. It all depends on how nokia push ahead the rest. OVI Store, OVI Music, or Nokia App store? I hope the N9 has generated a global interest in making developing apps .

Based on how the general populace is with the device, how many it sells, how much dev support, Nokia might give Meego a sustainable 1st party support, a viable future. It's good enough. Just plan is messed up especially now a WP7 device seems to appear looking a lot like N9.

Maybe some external keyboards can be designed by a third party company for the N9. Alternativley, Nokia make the N950 a consumer device & get more Meego powered phone, arouse more market potential, support from Nokia & developers.!!!! Pleeeeeeese

lma
2011-06-24, 02:42
lma, you simply do not need a MicroSD card slot. May I ask what device you are using.

N810.

It doesn't even have 64GB let & even with MicroSD you won't hold anymore than 64GB with one on any other phone.

It's about flexibility, not absolute storage space. I like to stick my camera card in and review/upload pictures for example. Also, without removable storage how is one going to install MeeGo CE, nitdroid etc non-destructively?

(Of course the real reason they removed it is to induce worst-case shopping (http://xkcd.com/909/))


Removable battery. 1450mAH Nokia could do better even tho they are using AMOLED screen with a slightly larger battery & more power conservative hardware CPU & RAM, & NAND which runs lower in power consumption aswell. :)


No matter how good the battery and device power conservation, after a year or two it won't hold much charge and will need replacing.

Radu
2011-06-24, 20:14
What if you have multiple devices, and want to share media between them? How are you going to do it without a MicroSD card?
How are you going to quickly share the pictures with someone on a computer? SCP? SFTP? This is how I share the files on my main computer, but it's not so convenient when you go over someone's house.

Dave999
2011-06-24, 20:19
Led...n9 has no LED!

dDoS
2011-06-24, 20:26
In regards to the MicroSD, look at the N900. Having a separate file system on micro sd has really helped the development of things like MeeGo and Android on the device, if nothing other than from a testing standpoint. I wouldn't reflash my brand new N9 with Android, but if I could boot it off of an SD card I'd be all for it. Also, price. Buying a straight up 64GB phone, is going to cost a lot. Why not get 32 and expand later when you have extra money, or when prices of SD cards drop?

Soppa
2011-06-24, 21:26
Support from Nokia top management is in my opinion the thing N9 is missing the most.

This. I'm not really patriotic person by nature, but man this Elop + Microsoft combo is sure pushing such emotions out from me. I just can't fathom why on earth Nokia board (and top management) decided that this is the best strategy to continue with. They should've just appointed Vanjoki to be the CEO and continue with MeeGo/Harmattan, as it's now quite apparent that it has at least potential to deliver what the mass market wants.

And to those who want to dismiss that with the ecosystem (I hate that trendy corporate buzzword) talk, I don't see that WP7 holds any more promise in that front. Only thing that I can see better with WP7 is for the E-series with integrations to common MS tools, and I really doubt that would be the key for Nokias success. The future lies in platforms that won't lockdown the users, even though that time isn't here yet.

For Nokia's sake I hope I'm completely wrong here, only other hope is that someone in the Nokia board grows some balls and will question mr. Elop's strategy and intentions.

TomJ
2011-06-24, 21:43
lma, you simply do not need a MicroSD card slot. May I ask what device you are using. It doesn't even have 64GB let & even with MicroSD you won't hold anymore than 64GB with one on any other phone.


A few months ago I was at an old colleague's retirement do in London. I'd met up with some other friends earlier, and they wanted to get some posters of poto's printed; some were on my N900, some were on their totally lacing wireless comms laptop and some were online. Using the mSD from the n900 and the tiny usb reader I always carry in my wallet, I was able to colate all the pics on one folder on the SD. The off to Boots to stick it into one of these (http://www.boots.com/en/Instore-Digital-and-Film-Photo-Processing_1042844/?cm_re=c1020_image3-_-instore-_-product_list&cm_sp=cat_photo-_-c1020-_-c1020_image3).

juanenrique
2011-06-24, 21:46
for me, the most important missing spec of the n9 is official nokia support for meego... :(

JamesBond@ge
2011-06-24, 22:23
1337INT13H, you frickin' nitwit. I would bet my car that you are one of these people "I LOTST ALL DA STUF ON MA FONE AN I CARNT GET IT BAK!!11"

"lma, you simply do not need a MicroSD card slot"

Why you telliing the next man what he does and does not need? I want a MicroSD Slot for the same reasons illustrated above. Booting NITDroid etc.

I also use it to put sensitive files on and stuff that I don't want to lose if the eMMC were to suddenly crash or I couldn't get the device to boot, beyond repair.

Torrenting? Sometimes Transmssion (great program!) on the N900 will crash, or if I run out of Battery sending the file system into a Read only state. I'd sooner it did it to MicroSD than the eMMC so I only Torrent to the MicroSD.

Future proof? Sometime in the future there gonna are be cards bigger than 64GB. Try sticking one of those in your straight jacketed N9. Same happened with the N95 8GB when they removed the card slot. I ended up staying with my original older N95 and by the time I had finished using it I had a 16GB card in it. Twice the size.

I'm sure others here have loads more reasons personal to them of why they want a MicroSD card slot.

keflex
2011-06-25, 03:54
Anything greater than 32GB is SDXC, not SDHC. I would have thought the N900 could support SDXC however the N800 has been shown not to, so that's a bit more uncertain.

The point is, the N9 may not have supported cards greater than 32GB regardless.

Cue
2011-06-25, 07:59
Anything greater than 32GB is SDXC, not SDHC. I would have thought the N900 could support SDXC however the N800 has been shown not to, so that's a bit more uncertain.

The point is, the N9 may not have supported cards greater than 32GB regardless.

I thought SDHC and SDXC are compatible (except in speed). Physically they are the same cards and should work in the same slot.
The OS just has to support the new filesystem.

volt
2011-06-25, 12:38
In my opinion the N9 is missing
- an upgrade path (i've resigned to this)
- glove support (no stylus, will be a biting pain, starting October)
- spare battery support
- pressure levels (i used them on the N900, but not a lot)
- a symbiotic relationship with a Qt-based OS which developers believe have a future (it used to have that)
- screen estate during typing (yes, you know what I mean)

Lack of glove/stylus support means I would as a matter of fact answer fewer phone calls and use it less than the N900. It's a real difference for me, living in this climate. I'm already on a capacitive screen now, and it's a step down.

Lack of spare battery support will be a pain when I'm on national guard exercises and can't easily charge the phone.

qwertqwert
2011-06-27, 08:39
missing : KEYBOARD ! That beautiful screen ... and my hands always covering 30% of it.Shame on you Elop ...N950 was consumer device before you came up right ?

benny1967
2011-06-27, 09:04
lma, you simply do not need a MicroSD card slot.

I'd say you, 1337INT13H, don't understand why we need one.

It's about using data that comes from other sd-based devices, not about the storage capacity as such. I have no use for 64GB mass storage. I do need a way to get all my photos from my digital camera to the phone so that i can upload and share them. Or I want the videos from my friends phone on mine. Plus, of course, I want to boot MeeGo on my phone. How do you do this without an SD card? Share a video via bluetooth? Erase your N9 to try a new operating system?

Jedibeeftrix
2011-06-27, 09:11
"In your opinion, what is N9 (MeeGo / Harmattan) missing?"

A UK launch date and price tag.

Cue
2011-06-27, 09:17
I'd say you, 1337INT13H, don't understand why we need one.

It's about using data that comes from other sd-based devices, not about the storage capacity as such. I have no use for 64GB mass storage. I do need a way to get all my photos from my digital camera to the phone so that i can upload and share them. Or I want the videos from my friends phone on mine. Plus, of course, I want to boot MeeGo on my phone. How do you do this without an SD card? Share a video via bluetooth? Erase your N9 to try a new operating system?

This is true for ebook readers too. Which is my main use of the sd card slot, It's the only way I can transfer my pdf files over, or get new books from the internet on to it when I'm out.

sjgadsby
2011-06-27, 11:47
No matter how good the battery and device power conservation, after a year or two it won't hold much charge and will need replacing.

My N800, N810, and N900 each made it approximately ten months before their original batteries degraded to a point where I had to purchase a replacement. Replacement Nokia batteries then also lasted approximately ten months. Cheaper knockoffs, such as those from Japod, last only around six months, but they're several times less expensive.

I dearly hope the N9 turns out to be surprisingly easy to open afterall.

fahadj2003
2011-06-27, 12:03
its missing a usb port like n900.. atleast after i get my hands on it..
and to be serious, it could have used a better processor
i dunno.. whenever nokia comes up with a device, the processor is only powerful enough to run it at stock.. not after customizations..
like n900.. 600mhz processor.. and guess what? its still lags..
and oh, a bigger battery..
i can bet it wont last any longer then n900..
nuff said..

erendorn
2011-06-27, 12:54
its missing a usb port like n900.. atleast after i get my hands on it..

It comes with a usb port like n900, I fail to see what you mean here

and oh, a bigger battery..
i can bet it wont last any longer then n900..
nuff said..
It has a bigger battery, a less consuming screen, cpu, nand. Based on what exactly do you bet that it won't last any longer?

JD2010
2011-06-27, 19:11
It is missing everything the N950 has

ScottishDuck
2011-06-27, 19:25
It's missing support, considering what Elop has said.

Dave999
2011-06-27, 19:30
No FM transmitter!

from meego.com

"...There is no TX antenna, so transmission does not work too well (if at all) :-(

Hartti
"

chase15
2011-06-27, 19:37
No FM transmitter!

from meego.com

"...There is no TX antenna, so transmission does not work too well (if at all) :-(

Hartti
"

It has support for FM TXRX (FM radio receiver/transmitter) in hardware. There is no software for it right now that’s all. So it may bexome available later on.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038108&postcount=889

Dave999
2011-06-27, 19:42
It has support for FM TXRX (FM radio receiver/transmitter) in hardware. There is no software for it right now that’s all. So it may bexome available later on.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038108&postcount=889

Yes, but that rumor comes from Hartti -->Quim-->Zymo-->us. and I guess that was wrong.

http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23726&postcount=301

mece
2011-06-27, 20:06
Yes, but that rumor comes from Hartti -->Quim-->Zymo-->us. and I guess that was wrong.

http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23726&postcount=301

What he means is that is has the chip but not the antenna, so performance is most likely very poor or unusable.

EDIT ^ is very sad news.

JD2010
2011-06-27, 20:16
Like everybody say a keyboard like the N950. We should have a petition for the N950 to be available commercialy

tzsm98
2011-06-27, 20:48
Based upon what I am used to having from using the N900 and N8-00 The N9 is missing the following:

Laggy, confused Symbian OS - glad to see it go. The more I use my N8-00 the more I want to throw it in a river.
HDMI port. Never knew I needed it until I got to use it.
Expansion slot for data portability.
Overclocking. And the whole openess situation that allows OCing. This has saved the N900
Replaceable battery - this is important if I am away from home. The N900 was super because of this and the N8-00 was not. It's amazing how hard it is to find an outlet and time to recharge when you are traveling.


The N9 looks good to me anyway, despite these deficiencies, and the first is not a deficiency. I can see traveling with the N900 and the N9 being better than with the N8-00 and the N900.

steveburczymucha
2011-07-10, 15:39
Hi, can anyone clarify on that if knows ... spec says that for H.264 HD only Base Profile is supported. What a pity, event X7 does that better... Is this SoC limitation? X7 has aging BCM2727... Is it really better than OMAP 3630 in terms of HD decode?

drumfrodo
2011-07-12, 21:54
The N9 is of course missing the vital HW QWERTY KEYBOARD!! Like mentioned above, we should create a petition to influence Nokia to release the N950.

I would also advice people to send an e-mail to Stephen Elop, telling him that it's a very bad and wrong decision to NOT make the N950 available for sale! Let's try to put some pressure on them, and let them know what we think of such a decision!

His e-mail is: stephen.elop (at) nokia (dot) com

(Yes, it IS his actual e-mail address).

tzsm98
2011-07-12, 22:43
missing a release date, price, and confirmation of availability in my country. importing electronics sucks.

I have to agree.

jo21
2011-07-12, 23:01
xenon flash, Hardware keyboard. a web browser with flash.

whatsapp, liveprofile.

visN900
2011-07-12, 23:24
a share plugin in media player,xenon flash,usb-otg and qwerty

mikecomputing
2011-07-13, 00:13
It's missing support, considering what Elop has said.

and you trust that idiot?! :O

gerbick
2011-07-13, 00:38
and you trust that idiot?!

That idiot has three letters attached to his name... CEO. Doesn't make him more intelligent, but apparently somebody on the Nokia board voted for him.

So they trusted him enough to hire him.

misterc
2011-07-13, 06:44
That idiot has three letters attached to his name... CEO. Doesn't make him more intelligent, but apparently somebody on the Nokia board voted for him.

So they trusted him enough to hire him.

the only one who doesn't make any mistake is the one not doing anything...
this being said, doing a mistake is one thing, learning from it is another :|

back to topic; did anyone mention the hw keyboard?
a mSDHC (or even SDXH or whatever) slot?

Makeclick
2011-07-13, 06:54
qwerty! It is not multimedia phone.. it is tablet with phone, but look nice :)